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[@cdwilliams1]

For the love of god use focus lock on your camera. It’s hunting all over the place and you’re blurry in half of this.

[@anasevi9456]

or at the very least, pick up one of those chinese manual focus lenses, some have pretty damn good optics for the usual aps-c cameras youtubers like.

[@ljhcmh614]

I was really interested in this video and the content seemed great, but had to stop watching because of the focus issues. I was getting a little sick.

[@mgtowdadYouTubeSucksCoxks]

Put your phones down. Stop sitting. And listen to this while you are doing something with your feet. This is like complaining about the quality of a book, as you are gaining Knowledge from it, because the cover is old and shoddy. Shut up and learn. Haha.

[@username65585]

People aren't even sure that Ragnar Lothbrok was a historical figure despite him having lived much more recently and his sons definitely invading England. I don't think we can claim the existence of a particular king hundreds of years earlier based upon a couple tablets mentioning his name.

[@nslozzup1182]

You deserve far more subscribers. Great content, man.

[@paradisecityX0]

There's a lot of circumstantial evidence for the Exodus. I highly recommend "The Exodus: How It Happened And Why It Matters" by Rick Elliot Friedman

[@vanivanov9571]

I'll add Patterns of Evidence: Exodus, to that. There's also a sequel which expands upon it. More than circumstantial evidence, Occam's Razor favours the Exodus over other explanations for the sacking of Jericho, chariot wheels in the red sea, the tomb of Joseph, and so many other events.

[@paradisecityX0]

@@vanivanov9571 The chariot wheels is bunk. Also Jericho. Patterns of Evidence needs to be taken with a grain of salt

[@vanivanov9571]

​@@paradisecityX0 I'd say your comment needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but there is no substance worth taking. Strangely, the chariot remains at the bottom of the red sea don't seem to care what you think of them. Jericho is possibly the only sacking where the grain and stores were left untouched. The remains matched the biblical account totally, as well, and there was even evidence for why the wall may have fallen down. The only reason that Jericho was not assumed to have followed the biblical narrative, it that they approached the city with a specific timeline in mind for the Israelites, and didn't adapt their theories to the evidence but instead ignored the evidence for their theory.

[@Ken19700]

There's no evidence for the exodus whatsoever. In fact all of the evidence shows that it never happened.

[@paradisecityX0]

@@Ken19700 There's a lot of circumstantial evidence it happened. What evidence shows they made up an origin story about being slaves in a foreign land? That's beyond ridiculous. But l understand your bias leads you to think that

[@williamfitch1408]

Epic. I've never been able to make sense of this story until now. Thanks.

[@danieltsiprun8080]

It is nice to see a different view from what i learned in old testament. And there are a lot of religious justifications not mentioned in this video for actions that happened.

[@aderinolamiju]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="800">13:20</a> Elijah wasn’t alive during Solomon’s reign. I think it was Abijah

[@LyleFrancisDelp]

Of course he wasn’t….because there was neither a Solomon, nor an Elijah.

[@shpilbass5743]

I have heard so much of them in Bible class, which is mandatory in Israel. Nice to hear a different perspective

[@gadyariv2456]

1.well, technically it talks about the house of David...not David himself. David can still be a mythical figure the dynasty sees as it's progenitor. and even if there was a David, it doesn't mean the stories aren't fictional and the narrative reliable. Ahaziah and Jehoram supposedly lived 6-5 generations after David and Solomon supposedly reigned. 2.the biblical narrative is written from a pro-Judean perspective, and even if David did exist, portraying him as the ruler of both the kingdom of Israel and Judea is suspiciously self-serving. it could be a political attempt by the kingdom of Judea to re-write history and give themselves a claim over their northern naibours and justify their desire to conquer them. all we have is the Judean account and had an account created by Israel survived it could have told us a different story. 3. it is erroneous to assume that the religion practiced by the Judeans and the Israelites is the one described in the bible... and we can not be certain that they even were monotheists yet. Hebrew monotheism is probably a later phenomenon, the numerous stories of the Hebrews "slipping" to polytheistic practice, is probably a way for later generations to explain away their ancestor's polytheistic beliefs and in my opinion, the vest archeological evidence for the worship of idols supports that hypostasis. I'm in the mind that jews practice monotheism before the Babylonian captivity, maybe even later than that. it was more likely that the competition between the worship of national Gods that existed as part of a polytheistic pantheon...similar to what we see in Egypt, with the pseudo-monotheism of Amon-Ra. what we do know is that the earliest Judean and Israelite kings we have a recorded of are Ahaziah and Jehoram, and, Jehoram and Ahab...every thing earlier from that is just speculation based on an unreliable narrative. and for all, we know these ancient kingdoms may have been more Canaanite, or Phoenician then they were in any way shape or form "Jewish"...the study of these ancient myths has been compromised by reactionary Jewish nationalists and fanatical Christian fundamentalists, for their own nefarious agendas and to give justification to contemporary political agendas. the narrative of a grand united Israelite kingdom is as politically beneficial to Israel claims for dominion over the Palestinians as it was for the Judeans claims for dominion on the kingdom of Israel.

[@slossboss]

Let's understand that the Bible in of itself is not a purely pro-Judean text. In fact, throughout most of the Old Testament, there is much judgement ascribed upon the people of Israel, even going as far back to the time of Moses, and further back with Noah's flood. Judges is seen by many conservatives to be the descriptions of the failure of human leadership and the sinfulness of mankind as each of the judges, though many were raised up by God, become worse and worse, committing atrocities that would literally be considered today horrible injustices. The final act of the book of judges, before the ascension of Samuel, describes a Civil War caused by an act of gang rape of a travelling man's concubine as well as the daughter of a man whom that man stayed with. It nearly destroyed the tribe of Benjamin, and today the tribe of Benjamin is considered a lost tribe because it was basically wiped when the Kingdom of Judah was later exiled to Babylon. No other pagan ancient text would actually describe this atrocity and if they did, they would not have done it in a self condemning way. Israel was supposed to be monotheist, but the Israelites themselves continued to wander away again and again from their faith, and the Bible makes the case that was the ultimate cause for their downfall and later exile from their homeland. Saul and David are both deeply human characters, with flaws and failures, not divine. David committed both murder and adultery, as well as attacked the Philistines and wiped out entire villages when he was on the run from Saul. Saul wiped out an entire village of priests, and continuously showed disregard to the Jewish Faith and himself attacked David multiple times. This adds credibility in my opinion to the Bible's Historical validity because it proves it is not propaganda. Its part of the human story that has repeated over and over again throughout the whole world. Furthermore, most of the Psalms are written by David, and we can tell because many of the Psalms that he wrote have personal characteristics and footnotes that describe when he wrote them and why he wrote them, whether it was in victory or defeat or tragedy or repentance for a sin that he committed. That inspiration of itself does not come from nowhere. It comes through very hard and very real life experiences and that is why it cannot be compared to that of the other pagan religions, none of which have survived to the modern day.

[@slossboss]

To say that the Jews did not live in Israel in ancient times, long before the Palestinians is also false. Even if the ancient Kingdom of Judah and Israel did not happen as the Bible says, you deny later evidence that comes from the Jews when they lived there during the time of the Persian, Greek, and Roman Empires. That in of itself can't be denied because we do have that evidence from when those Empires existed. King Cyrus of Persia, known as the great liberator, allowed the return of all the peoples that Babylon had deported to their original homelands and allowed them to rebuild. The Jews were recorded as one of those peoples in both the Bible and in secular records. We know this because the governor of Judah was Nehemiah, the King's Cupbearer. He went and personally rebuilt the walls of Jerusalem himself. This decree is known in secular historical records, and the Jews were there. How could they be registered as a people allowed to return to their homeland if they were not deported in the first place? The Bible says it was seventy years from the time of the exile to Babylon to the return to the land of Israel which means at most two generations had grown up in exile. Moving on to the Greeks, the Greeks were the ones to translate the Old Testament into Greek, called the Septuagint. They were the ones to make Judaism into a global religion, and it was known that a copy of the Torah was kept in the Library of Alexandria because that's what the Greeks did. They didn't care what type of books and texts that they were gathering. They didn't have the preconceptions of secularism because everyone was religious in those days, but they kept the text anyway for availability of knowledge. Then finally, you have the Romans. They were the ones who have the most accurate historical references to the Jews. Josephus himself was a Jew. The destruction of the Second Temple and the sacking of Jerusalem is recorded by the Romans and by the Bible and by basically all historical references from that time period because it was a major rebellion against the Empire. It was the event that cause the Diaspora of the Jewish people. So yes, it is their ancient homeland. It is not something that the Jews and Christians have made up. The Palestinians were never recognized as a people by the Ottomans and by the Kingdom of Jordan when they were under the rule of Jordan. They denied the two state solution. They have always denied the two state solution. They attacked Israel on the very day it became a nation in 1948. The Arabs lost the war, and Israel assumed more territory than was originally outlined in the 1948 agreement. Israel in the six day war, once again, won the war. They assumed even more territory and then gave back the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt in the name of peace. They are still attacking Israel to this day because they're mad that they lost. Israel conquered the whole of the land. By the Laws of Nations, even if you don't like it, Modern Day Israel won the territory by Right of Conquest, but because its Israel and because they didn't officially annex the land and make Palestinians into Israeli citizens, and that would be a very dangerous thing for Israeli Security for a number of reasons, we have the current situation that we do today, leaving everyone unhappy.

[@Thegamer-jx2tv]

Do u support Palestine or Israel

[@gadyariv2456]

@@Thegamer-jx2tv both and neither.

[@Thegamer-jx2tv]

@@gadyariv2456 same I support both tbh but neither really have the right spirit. They should sit together and discuss on how to share one state

[@soniahemmati2372]

The existence of the House of David is quite different from whether David himself ever existed. He could be just a mythical patriarch.

[@juanfervalencia]

very good video, as all of them, but I did notice the changes in focus, you can avoid it by locking focus on the camera. Cher, thank you very much for this content.

[@markusarseneault7358]

besides the, ahem, focus, I think I can use this video in my Youth Bible class, great work :D+

[@sjappiyah4071]

As I always say, Time and archeology silences biblical skeptical arguments. Great video once again

[@leohamilton1884]

Why use auto-focus if you're just standing in one place? Also, I'd move your lights off to the side more; they reflect in your glasses a lot.

[@Zeldarw104]

Well, I guess I'm first, I learn a lot from this channel.🤔

[@jonathanoseitwum2029]

I really appreciate your sincerity and thoroughness, unlike your colleagues; useful charts

[@MeiziVu]

I would recommend turning off the auto focus. Great video. THANK YOU

[@jrrrrrr]

Is it possible in discussing Samuel you are mixing him up with Eli some? I know that in the Biblical text the ark was lost by his sons, under his leadership and was returned several months later.

[@isaacmiser2680]

So fascinating!

[@notyourbusiness2687]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="360">6:00</a>- multiple versions of Saul's ascension & his meeting with david

[@dileepaks16]

Loved the video

[@piperar2014]

I'm skeptical that monotheism was a thing prior to Persia's conquest of Babylon. I think the Jews learned dualistic monotheism from the Persians, then re-wrote their history (or wrote a mythical history) as if they were always monotheists.

[@bloodyplebs]

Do you have any evidence for this?

[@piperar2014]

@@bloodyplebs 1. Are you asking in good faith, or trying to start an obtuse argument? 2. Are you asking my thought process leading to this conclusion, or asking for direct evidence in support of the conclusion? 3. What is the required standard for evidence? 4. Does the existence of the bible count as evidence, or are non-biblical sources required to corroborate bible stories?

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

I have a counter argument. I think the Egyptian monotheist King who worshipped the sun god monotheistically has introduced that practice to the Canaanites.

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

I have a counter argument. The Monotheism of Akhenaten That may of introduced monotheism to the Israelites

[@Tzimiskes3506]

all of the hypotheses of persian amd babylonian myth leaking into judaism have been dealt with and debunked...

[@johnathonnichols]

While I disagree on some points, I give you props for including the name Jehovah which many seem to be trying to bury.

[@axolotl5327]

The camera keeps trying to focus, but it never finds your face. VERY frustrating.

[@davidelabarile1634]

as a dude named davide (davide is david in italian....) i am very happy that my famous namesake is a 100% real guy and...oh yea amazing work pal

[@theemissary1433]

I think you meant to say the prophet Ahijah, who proclaimed that Jeroboam would be king over the 10 tribes in the north, as Elijah would only come into the biblical picture years later with King Ahab, several dynasties after Jeroboam's

[@vanivanov9571]

On the note of the Exodus, I would like to recommend Patterns of Evidence: Exodus. There's also a sequel which expands upon it. There is plenty of evidence for the Exodus, and Occam's Razor favours the Exodus over other explanations for the sacking of Jericho, chariot wheels in the red sea, the tomb of Joseph, and so many other events.

[@mver191]

There is non. Archaeology completely contradicts this. There seem to be a constant Canaanite culture in the Levant. If Moses came from Egypt, you would expect Egyptian influences in creating pottery, medicine, customs, architecture, etc when they arrived. But there is nothing, straight on local Canaanite culture.

[@vanivanov9571]

@@mver191 Christians have faith something non-physical exists. Atheists have faith that physical realities don't exist when it suits them. Try taking an anthropology class... Semitic culture was a thing, and there are plenty of Semitic towns in Goshen. I know basic schooling tends to focus on Egypt as if they're the only people who knew how to make a pot... but they really weren't.

[@mver191]

@@vanivanov9571 That is not the point. Different cultures had different methods of producing pots, and the Egyptian way was superior to the Canaanite way. They were stronger, easier to produce, and less vulnerable to breaking during the heating process. There was absolutely no point for the Israelites to produce pottery in the Canaanite way if they knew about the Egyptian way. Yet they seem to produce pottery in exactly the same way as the Canaanites when they supposedly arrived in Israel, with exactly the same style, despite supposedly being 400 years away and having lived that time in a culture that produced superior pottery in an easier way.

[@vanivanov9571]

@@mver191 So, you think the leading Egyptian potter families taught the Israelite slaves how to crowd them out of the market...? Many techniques are lost to history, because of how secretive craftsmen families were. Was pottery manufacture even one of the duties of Israelite slaves, and if so was it for Egyptians or just for themselves? With this method of pottery manufacture that is much superior, could you be a bit more detailed? China's ceramics were incredibly high quality due to the clay they used, so if it's a material question you can't replicate Egyptian wares.

[@vanivanov9571]

@@martinportelance138 ??? You changed your comment entirely. Before you were saying some nonsense about how Semitic people > Canaanites, and how monotheism came after the Bronze Age Collapse arbitrarily. Instead, you've given up on even pretending to sound like you're making sense, and just screeched some nonsense about, "WAAAH!!! I'd rather believe in UNICORNS than archaeological finds!!!" Go cry to your mother. I don't care.

[@user-xj6rg1zo6o]

An ancient Jewish book before miles Sale

[@lordifrit69]

If Samson existed, then the older Hercules also existed. Because it's the same character.

[@renjurichard]

No they arent

[@LyleFrancisDelp]

I hardly think an offhand mention of a David on one (only one) piece of clay can be taken as proof of his existence. All archeological evidence shows Jerusalem at the time to be little more than a back water small town…hardly the Capitol of a major kingdom. No David. No Solomon. Canaan was ruled by Egypt. No Exodus. Israelites were simply Canaanites who eventually adopted Ahkenaten’s monotheism.

[@SirMillz]

Eternity is too long a time to be wrong.

[@slossboss]

Let's understand that the Bible in of itself is not a purely pro-Judean text. In fact, throughout most of the Old Testament, there is much judgement ascribed upon the people of Israel, even going as far back to the time of Moses, and further back with Noah's flood. Judges is seen by many conservatives to be the descriptions of the failure of human leadership and the sinfulness of mankind as each of the judges, though many were raised up by God, become worse and worse, committing atrocities that would literally be considered today horrible injustices. The final act of the book of judges, before the ascension of Samuel, describes a Civil War caused by an act of gang rape of a travelling man's concubine as well as the daughter of a man whom that man stayed with. It nearly destroyed the tribe of Benjamin, and today the tribe of Benjamin is considered a lost tribe because it was basically wiped when the Kingdom of Judah was later exiled to Babylon. No other pagan ancient text would actually describe this atrocity and if they did, they would not have done it in a self condemning way. Israel was supposed to be monotheist, but the Israelites themselves continued to wander away again and again from their faith, and the Bible makes the case that was the ultimate cause for their downfall and later exile from their homeland. Saul and David are both deeply human characters, with flaws and failures, not divine. David committed both murder and adultery, as well as attacked the Philistines and wiped out entire villages when he was on the run from Saul. Saul wiped out an entire village of priests, and continuously showed disregard to the Jewish Faith and himself attacked David multiple times. This adds credibility in my opinion to the Bible's Historical validity because it proves it is not propaganda. Its part of the human story that has repeated over and over again throughout the whole world. Furthermore, most of the Psalms are written by David, and we can tell because many of the Psalms that he wrote have personal characteristics and footnotes that describe when he wrote them and why he wrote them, whether it was in victory or defeat or tragedy or repentance for a sin that he committed. That inspiration of itself does not come from nowhere. It comes through very hard and very real life experiences and that is why it cannot be compared to that of the other pagan religions, none of which have survived to the modern day.

[@axolotl5327]

Interesting content. But it continuously moves into and out of focus. Maddening.

[@Kuudere-Kun]

Elijah was not the name of that Prophet.

[@Ken19700]

There's evidence that David existed but no evidence for the kingdom. David was about as powerful as a mafia boss. Also, the Jewish people were still polytheists at the time.

[@Ken19700]

@Pecu Alex the evidence is clear. The Jewish people were polytheistic until the 7th century b.c. when monotheism was created to bind the Israelites and the Judahites into one people. It was necessary to incorporate all of the refugees that flooded and the country after the fall of Israel. Archeologists have found little statues of God's wife in the homes of the period.

[@Ken19700]

@Pecu Alex the evidence I'm referring to is archeological, not written. It's covered in a documentary called The Bible Unearthed. There is also a Nova series on it called The Bible's Buried Secrets. Iprefer the former but the latter is good too.

[@memcrew1]

Ken MacMillan if I found some tablets written by the Syrians speaking about ancient Israel, would that be written or archeological evidence?

[@NashHinton]

No evidence of the kingdom? Dude, we have hieroglyphs and ancient tablets describing kings of Israel. Even Babylon mentioned several kings of Israel.

[@NashHinton]

@@Ken19700 They were polytheistic, but the kingdom obviously existed before it became a vassal state under Assyria.

[@slossboss]

Elijah came later...he wasn't alive at this point...

[@kurtolsen7989]

The Kindom of Israel???

[@brianpedroza289]

the philistines captured the ark after the sons of Eli took it out to battle, not Samuel <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="270">4:30</a> on ward

[@AdriLeemput]

How is King David actually proven by the finding? It just says "House of David"

[@memcrew1]

White Chocolate he does have a point. The answer would require further investigation.

[@leonardwei3914]

Because the tablet dates back to 870-750 BCE and was supposedly authored by a non Jewish figure boasting over his victory over his enemies. It adds a bit more credence about the David being actually figure closer to the timeline he supposedly ruled.

[@Treiundzwanzig]

It implies that the ruling dynasty (the House) was started by a person named David

[@AdriLeemput]

@@Treiundzwanzig It implies, yes, but it is not evidence for it. No evidence that there was an actual David at the start of the house (and not a mythological one), and also no evidence it is the King David of the Bible

[@dreamspheree]

that superbook animation looks like it was done in fortnite = a proof that jewish rule the world

[@musicaljoy]

Flawed Logic 101: The Tel Dan find does not support the idea that every detail in the Torah and Bible are verfiable. Barely <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="109">1:49</a> into the video and already the rest of the video is glorious speculation!

[@yvonnegordon1952]

Jews are chosen but for what? They TOOK A VOW to do something and so they chose as much as they are chosen. Nahum <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="75">1:15</a> makes it so very clear. Jew is a circumcised heart, one in which the LIGHT went through its animate desires to make the heart "MAN" (Resurrect Adam): Why the Jew? Because he bears the root of the tree of knowledge and VOWED to make the TREE of knowledge the TREE OF LIFE or bring MOSHIACH, the GOOD ROOT to the world to make the TREE GOOD. If a Jew does this, he is the Messiah, the Christ in Christian language. If he does not do it, he is not a JEW but born into Judaism, which is a national identity but not a spiritual one. Messiah the GOOD ROOT OR CHRIST THE LIGHT that is the LIFE of Man/Adam, must rise through the heart to make the heart the TEMPLE of God because this is where he wants to live ruling over the mind as well (Malchut) the tabernacle of David who gives birth to Messiah through the heart by inverting the ROOT and giving the heart a CROWN (KETER): Nah <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="75">1:15</a> Behold upon the mountains the feet of him that brings good tidings, that publishes peace! O Judah, keep thy solemn feasts, perform thy vows: for the wicked shall no more pass through thee; he is utterly cut off. after 30 years of listening to religious people AFTER Christ my root, was revealed in me, compared to before he was revealed to me is absolutely amazing. We don't even realize we are under the STRONG DELUSION of the antichrist (EVIL INCLINATION) all our lives till CHRIST REVEALS HIM as our own "self" our own ego, siting in the HOLY PLACE, the inner court, the HEART of the TEMPLE making him 'self' God: Our ego is our god hence Satan is the god of this world and he who loves the world does not have the love of the father in him: Antichrist is the SPIRIT OF THE WHOLE WORLD hence he deceives the whole world. Antichrist is the ANTI-Christ spirit and the CHRIST IS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, the HOLY SPIRIT both reveals and brings through us and brings us to him and gives what is of Christ to us: Antichrist is the spirit of the evil root Adam chose and the ONLY THING that can REVEAL HIM and BRING us away from him is the CHRIST IN US: Christ reveals him with the BRIGHTNESS OF HIS COMING (arising) and the truth of his appearing (in us): Christ IN US, the HOPE OF RETURNING TO THE GLORY OF THE FATHER: Christians who are waiting for antichrist to be revealed, just look in the mirror and see your self: CHRIST IN YOU WILL overcome 'self" so you can be ONE WITH GOD above your self, seated in heavenly places. Jesus said he who gives up his life (ego/self) for my sake, shall find life but he who keeps his life (ego) shall lose it. Daniel (judge of God) reveals the abomination of desolation in the HOLY PLACE, the HEART of the temple (also Mathew 24) and here is where ONLY ISRAEL can enter: The outer court is for the animate nature God put Adam and Eve into, to be sacrificed (not some poor innocent animal) but YOUR ANIMATE nature. Once you do that, you enter the HEART (desires that now must be TRANSFORMED by the LIGHT going between them like in Abraham's covenant that Hashem made with him and "ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL" his descendants. If the light does not go between the animate desires, there is no covenant and there is no JEW or CIRCUMCISED heart. UNTIL MOSHIACH RISES IN THE JEW, he is given this world to rule, the evil root to rule over: The Jew creates ORDER out of chaos and when the order doesn't work, he creates chaos out of disorder to CORRECT (GMAR TIKKUN):

[@user-hw4bn4jg8z]

Your face is very innocent

[@damonturnbull5903]

How do you get to the opinion that David and Saul where factual people from " I killed Jehoram, son of Ahab king of Israel, and I Killed Ahaziaha son of Jehoram king of the house of David..."?

[@paradisecityX0]

How do you get the insinuation they made it up?

[@damonturnbull5903]

@@paradisecityX0 Because you need more than one posable secondary source tablet to prove a theory. One needs many primary and secondary sources backing each other up to have a believable theory. Not some Jewish propaganda or Christian book written hundreds of years and in some instances thousands of years after the fact.

[@paradisecityX0]

@@damonturnbull5903 And who says Jewish and Christian scriptures aren't reliable and require a bigger standard than most other sources? Atheist propaganda

[@damonturnbull5903]

@@paradisecityX0 Oh love, how do you not drown in the shower. Go back to licking windows and believing in imaginary friends, talking snakes, walking on water dragons.

[@paradisecityX0]

@@damonturnbull5903 So you reply with more village-Atheist caricatures. Nice

[@crmesson22k]

Buddy I never believe the bible history without question. I was smarter then that. ;)

[@redsands2064]

I'm sory... unsubbed... you are being condescending about info you have no grasp upon.. good luck on your future endeavors