The Rise of the Mediocre X-Men

The Rise of the Mediocre X-Men
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Art and Animation by Just Some Guy
Original trailer concept: FMA Brotherhood & Black Summoner
Music: "Enkon Hakuchuumu" by Sakagami Souichi - Copyright (C) 2015 Trial & Error/Sakagami Souichi All rights reserved.
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[@andrewmcguinness1845]

"Stop laughing!" Sir, I live in the silliest timeline, and you want me to stop laughing? When everything's just gotten so funny?

[@1multiverse902]

I’m old enough to remember when good writers and amazing artist worked in the X-men and created epic stories.

[@stevenkraft8070]

Sorry about your lost childhood!

[@iamwyse1269]

Stan lee, Claremont and Jim Lee epic era.

[@dallassegno]

So pre nineties before all the g.a.f. space.

[@thennow6178]

Yes!

[@comicsgatekeeper9746]

Tom breevort was moaning about people not be excited about the x-men promo on twitter. Seven years of being utter cunts to the audience might have consequences

[@meekrob]

Nah, that's crazy talk.

[@shen5533]

We "cretins" aren't interested in his work

[@JustSomeGuy]

Imagine running a restaurant known for its great cuisine, then replacing all its tasty meals with food blander than rice cakes, and then whining when no one cares that now you're sprinkling on some salt. That's what Breevort sounds like.

[@flyboymb]

​@JustSomeGuy not only bland food, but talking down to the diners that it is their fault that they don't enjoy the food because these are the best creations ever made in the history of cooking.

[@goldxp4828]

So mutants are feared, despised and hiding from the public eye. Again. At this point, sending them to space doesn't seem like such a bad idea.

[@admiz6592]

My guy no matter what they’ll endlessly be despised for the sake of the same repetitive story telling. It’s the same as to why Spiderman will never logically have a life or a true girl.

[@andresponte1320]

Mediocrity is the new normal.

[@stevenkraft8070]

Mediocrity is the new amazing!

[@longtsun8286]

For "current year" American writers and artists, yes. That's why American readers and viewers are turning to manga and anime, and they will NOT return to American comics and TV shows, until the "current year" American writers and artists GET THEIR HEADS OUT THEIR 45535!

[@BanjoSick]

mediocre means literally middling i.e. normal.

[@bennyconk]

⁠@@BanjoSickyeah I get you now. calling it mediocre is too much of a compliment

[@MisterLandofLakes]

I swear

[@LuigiTheMetal64]

When you have bloat, you have to drain that out.

[@tochukwuudu7763]

Yhup, if I were ever to take over these comic book companies, I'd fire nigh everyone, and just put a few solid books out.

[@shadowsnake5133]

They clearly haven't understood the basic economic principle of NOT COMPETING WITH YOURSELF, WITH SO MANY DIFFERENT LINES, UNDER DIFFERENT NAMES, THE MARKETS NOT GOING TO SEE IT AS 1 THING, IT'S GOING TO THINK THEY'RE ALL SEPARATE, WITH NO OVERARCHING NARRATIVE, MEANING YOU'VE CUT YOUR SALES IN HALF ALREADY, NOT EVEN BY DOING ANYTHING, MINIMUM! I DON'T EVEN HAVE AN ECONOMICS DEGREE AND KNOW THIS, ABSOLUTE FAILURES!

[@doginababyseat5127]

Shhhh! Let them fail. Maybe this time they will learn.

[@brightboar4421]

That was pretty loud, but I generally agree lol.

[@abadyr_]

It's not even just "competition". It's an overwhelming, confusing and discouraging mess.

[@janjoubert3225]

Unfortunately for comics readers three are still completionists who want a complete run and will buy regardless of price or quantity. It's who it's cratered to currently.

[@mlp-hot-rod5824]

Looks more like the X-Meh.

[@karinefonte516]

Every image of the new titles is a bait to readers. You KNOW it will be a cringefest of sappy dialogues, characters debating their feelings and/or their sexuality in cafes and eventually, if there are enough remaining pages, fighting crime and rogue mutants. Oh, and the Hellfire Gala will be in 3 cities at once!

[@bjornskivids]

The next step is rebooting it YET AGAIN as the ex-men

[@marksanford8237]

The X-men are over, you can't trap lightning in a bottle twice.

[@XMrJust]

They should do a season 2 of "Wolverine and the X-Men". This show was fantastic and had great storytelling

[@proto245]

Not gotta happen. Feige doesn't care about any other X-men adaptation outside of the 92 show. And also WATXM on its core is built to be the anti-MCU. Which is why it has never been brought back

[@GodOfPlague]

Wolverine and the Xmen was right up there with Xmen 97 for me. Now I need to go hunt it down on Bluray

[@arcanask]

They don't have the money to hire Skottie Young. Plus he's busy doing his own book.

[@TheSpawnfan]

In the words of Ultimate Spider Man: "People don't hate you for being mutants, they hate you because you're a bunch of SoBs" and now this applies to the main timeline X Men

[@slaynw.9829]

I prefer quality over quantity, but we aren't getting either, so i would rather we get nothing at all.

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

Marvel really fell from grace since Stan Lee's passing over 5 years ago. Rest in peace, creator of the greatest comics ever.

[@catsithx]

Now they are drowing it like dc did with batman. Also spiderman.

[@bluespaceman7937]

Neither of which will change, so you're fighting against windmills.

[@catsithx]

@@bluespaceman7937 *gets on horse and has Lance and charges at windmill* have at thee.

[@ashlynbrown3728]

​@catsithx oh how cute he thinks he's Don quixote

[@mastring1966]

much like the massive extension of the Kracoa era, this is a money grab. "lets vomit 8 bagillion titles that all cross over so they have to buy all of our 18 to 20 page floppies for $6 each...and the 22 bagillion alternate covers of all of the above".

[@janjoubert3225]

No wonder they can't get new readers at 9 average books at 4$ each competing against Manga video games and multiple other free forms of entertainment.

[@mcknit05]

They are trying to cash in on the tv show reboot, that is why they're focusing on specific characters

[@andrestarmiel7903]

y cual seria la etapa de cyclope ?

[@ronynninjastar2414]

Ryan Stegman's art might go to waste in that new X-Men title.

[@XMrJust]

Notice how they always use the iconic X-Men theme. Disney can't create anything on its own. They always rely on nostalgia

[@mechmaster315]

The mouse would like a word

[@markmunroe-hz8rf]

As far as I'm concerned, there should be only ONE X-Men comics, just as there should be ONE series for each superhero or group. That said, what's wrong with DC and Marvel is that the comics go on to long forever. No start, middle and end, and no real character development. Why not have them marry and have children, if they want kids. And please, STOP the relaunch, alternate timelines and parallel dimensions. I know it's ridiculous, but, I the meanwhile I'll stick to manga, indie comics and French Belgian comics. But what do I know, I'm just a reader.

[@maxmazzotti6651]

Just one main x men book and one Wolverine book

[@mxvega1097]

Marvel has a systemic learning disorder.

[@rtuggle82]

This is the first video I’ve seen from this channel. I really love the intro animation.

[@alvaro.martinez]

After all my life being a Marvel fan (I'm 40 years old), I've finally come to a point where I don't give a fuck about anything Marvel produces, neither books nor films. It's sad.

[@shifflettartstudios2335]

Yeah that is Jean. Saw an article recently about her "finally" accepting the Phoenix Force. "Check out her new costume". It's 2024....why the hell should I care about the Phoenix still? Phoenix Saga in the 80s was more than enough..

[@Gaia_Gaistar]

At least Jubes looks good, I guess.

[@Khajitxi]

She’s boobilie 2.0

[@Bluesit32]

Coat is a little small. Nice abs though.

[@spinningtornado4543]

Her legs are drawn very weirdly.

[@arcanask]

I still call bs they undid her vampirism. That was the most interesting thing they've ever done with her.

[@AnitreaSadi]

Preach it man, love the old comics with the amazing stories, never bought them as a kid because we were too poor. Raised by my grandparents, comics were a luxury, but some of my friends collected them. Always loved reading them.

[@MisterLandofLakes]

They don't want to risk having someone with actual original ideas come out so they keep rebooting old classics and make them worse, such as this case. Once Stan lee died, marvel comics should have just stopped. I'm not sure if any of the original OG's back from the golden era are still alive. It's time for a new company to rise with original ideas

[@inkblotCrisis]

9 titles...ah yes, the "wide as the ocean deep as a pond" approach.

[@jravage77]

I'm thinking most of the exciting creators just hate Tom Brevoort.

[@meekrob]

As they should.

[@NaviRyan]

Just got strange academy and Scottie young has made incredible comics. The only reason I can think of him not doing a young x-men comic is because he’s currently working on a new I hate fairyland comic. Could also be he saw it as a huge commitment and would have to work with multiple teams and decided he’ll do his own thing instead.

[@PACIFICBboy]

I hate the way Cyclops looks smh

[@rootsnootthnute8598]

Strontium Dog is the better oppressed mutants story, always has been, and it got forgotten about before this era of clumsy social commentary. The mutants in Strontium Dog are actually just normal humans, with unfortunate physical deformities, which rarely grant them some interesting powers, but which usually just get them oppressed by "Norms", they aren't horrifying magical monster people who regularly have insane abilities and are rightfully feared for all their weird and aggressive behavior.

[@rammisalami]

5:41 I’m glad you said it cus I felt like I was seeing things for a minute there.

[@WildZephyr]

Why does Cyclops look so weirdly anime?

[@Shiirow]

they all do, to varying degrees. probably because anime/manga are whooping their asses in sales, so they are trying to pinch the style in hopes of competing.

[@Byrvurra]

But JSG, just think of all the variant cover potential.

[@cmykrgb1469]

Hold on. "New Warriors" was a spite launch against another KZbin dude? What the actual hell?

[@TheFatalcrest]

😂 Did you have to remind us of that New New Warriors project that was mocked into oblivion

[@thatHARVguy]

The look on Kibblesmith's face during that New New Warriors video, man he barely kept a straight face. I doubt it was intended to be published. It was to troll people.

[@Ramsey276one]

I have been getting Shorts about them for some reason... I don't mind laughing at it again, though! XD

[@stephenpaltoo7083]

When was the last great X-Men run? Not being facetious, I genuinely want to know

[@andrestarmiel7903]

para mi los x-men termino hasta la etapa de joss wedon lo demas para abajo es inferior

[@arcanask]

2:00 More than a few of them also murdered a bunch of people, mutant and normal, in cold blood.

[@revolutionarydragon1123]

I'm pretty sure everyone in that trailer has a body count but they didn't kill innocent people

[@arcanask]

@@revolutionarydragon1123 Was it Magneto or Apocalypse that ritualistically murdered mutants so they could be brought back as pod people? I wasn't really paying attention for a while.

[@spinningtornado4543]

​@@arcanask The answer is both.

[@the_dark_braga2190]

Eve Ewing, the creative soul behind The Incredulous Ironheart? And Gail Simone?!!? Geez, good luck with that.

[@GokuMcDuck]

Face it. Nothing can be fixed.

[@reviewman]

5:26 Sure it’s possible it might be good. Is it probable, not likely!

[@Shiirow]

its possible, but then again its just as likely an extinction level meteor could slam into the earth on easter.

[@meekrob]

We can only hope.

[@uxm4life94]

This reeks of desperation because all the previously lifelong fans are long gone. It wasn't just the neo fascist segregation clones- Krakoan era completely destroyed all X-men continuity with constant mistakes.

[@rashuanhenderson8338]

Seeing all of those titles makes me happy I stick to trade paperbacks and omnibuses

[@Wdavidmetzger]

Keep working bro. We don't always agree but we always love ya.

[@mostlyharmfulll2103]

Looks like the old strategy of "keep throwing shit on the wall until something sticks".

[@TheRavenShadowsWolf]

First, Gail Simone isn't a reason for anyone to get excited. Second; wasn't Eve L Ewing the one that did Ironheart. Badly? I seem to recall her name somewhere on a comic run that didn't do too well, but let's be honest. That's MOST of the comics Marvel is currently pumping out. If not damned near all of them. I'd have liked one consistent, back to good writing and great art comic that I could pick up, get into and keep up with. Not every shade under the rainbow that's no doubt STILL going to be full of way too blunt current day social politics. I'm on a limited budget my dudes. I can't afford to drop $100 bucks on comics a month just to not be tangled in a Gordian Knot because you want to splinter one story into a mosiac of barely comprehensible nonsense.

[@ComicsAndCrosses]

A Scottie Young X book would be cool! I love Strange Academy.

[@sith_cake]

Haven't bought an X-Men book in 10+ years, and it used to be my favorite one(s). Doubt they can write anything decent anymore, and I highly doubt anyone cares at this point.

[@retroghidora6767]

Skottie Young would've had me very interested because I'm familiar with his art and writing but the whole refresh(?) of the x men line seems very uninspired so I'd still be concerned. That being said his rocket raccoon run was randomly really good. It felt like he was having fun and going in really creative directions there so maybe he'd personally bring something special to an x book, it's easy to imagine he'd get excited for it.

[@ian2081]

It’s basically a placeholder until the MCU decides what it’s going to do.

[@Haydendr01]

I legitimately have more faith in Ultimate X-Men despite it not really have a ton to do with the traditional X-Men cast.

[@chillgoblin9103]

Why Gail and Eve? They despise, DESPISE, X-men's core audience AND the material. Like I would understand using them on titles that they would be interested in working on but those ain't it.

[@arcanask]

Has Eve Ewing actually said anything about readers? Last I checked she was still figuring out how to write comics. Which, by the way JSG mentions her, she has, but still doesn't know shit about the comics themselves.

[@chillgoblin9103]

@@arcanask While she's less contentious than Gail, who outright, rabidly, attacks anyone she disagrees with with name calling. Eve's comments tend to be more veiled, PC as in read hypocrite, and were along the lines of "disliking the current state of the readership" and such. In the end, it comes down to the same thing but at least with people like Gail you clearly know her stances as she will state them outright. And as much as I dislike people like her and their opinion, I'll still respect them more for their blunt honesty.

[@Awakened_Mucacha]

Can they just not add Magik into this crap. I want her to remain safe, protected, and out of their hands.

[@TheRavenShadowsWolf]

Personally I was over her as a character about the time they made her way more powerful than her brother; yeeted her as a kid to a demon dimension (then somehow made her RUN it) and brought her back aged up - and nowhere near ready for a love interest... or even looking for one. A) Disservice to Colossus very heavily, B) Not every younger mutant is going to be more powerful than their older sibling. C) They can't even let Collosus have Kitty... and I'm NEVER going to let go of that. So no. I really don't give a flying fuck about Magik. To me, she has one power (the rest of it was granted by a demon possessed blade - which is the ONLY reason she rules that realm as far as I am aware) that ISN'T as useful as Collosus' ability (which once saved her damned life by the way) She's Cloak with tits. Whoopie. At least she's got a bigger dagger...

[@KamisamanoOtaku]

Well said. Another reason to question relaunching with so many titles is simple: money. I was an X-Men fanboy from the early 90s through the early 00s, buying most (trying to buy all) the X-titles because - again - I was a fanboy but also because of those line wide crossover events that became more and more common. I don't know if they can count on fans today being just as bad at math. Y'know, shelling out enough each month to get what at least one AAA game release? Let alone what you could do with Steam sales while having enough to keep your computer up to spec. *All this assuming you have discretionary income.* If you don't, buying the entire line is what, a tank of gas?

[@siramirez7]

I just don't understand Marvel or Disney. It's like they want to fail.

[@spinningtornado4543]

They are just allergic to money; a fatal condition in their work industry.

[@bjornskivids]

They should dump about 80% of those titles but they won't, because representation is more important now than quality and every one of these people needs to have their day

[@lunaticfringe8066]

I think I would prefer to read about Snowflake, Safe Space, and the rest of the New Warriors instead...

[@milestrombley1466]

I bet they made them look nostalgic because of the upcoming new X-Men cartoon show.

[@jakemonster001]

I’m so old we only had Uncanny X-Men, X-Factor, The New Mutants, and Wolverine!

[@johnnydidonna6081]

I’m old enough to remember when X-Men were going to be cancelled, and Wolverine’s stabbing had to happen in a comic code approved way.

[@BrandonPaul]

Skottie Young is a really good choice for exceptional x-men, I haven't heard anyone else suggest that yet!

[@SoldierSpiderx]

They've effectively destroyed the franchise at this point. How in the hell do you rob Rogue of her cake and expect us to be happy about it and DeMayo was the one who told us that the Witcher writers room is staffed with ppl who hate the source material, wasn't he? Why even do this when he then subverts this X-Men show?

[@yoyoyiggityyo17]

1:40 that sounds great too bad it's the FUCKING X-MEN 🤬

[@saltytwofer]

Most of their comics are fueled by spite.

[@mayotango1317]

The real X-Men. No the Inhumans/Krakoa X-Men.

[@totomen666]

I gonna bet with you that in 3 months you gonna be saying that "Krakoa weren't so bad, hidden gem, not this shit they pushing now"

[@katarhall3047]

Gail Simone. 'Nuff said.

[@adrianchatman5734]

Simone and Ewing? Ugh. The last good thing Simone wrote was Leaving Metropolis. And Ewing...less said the better.

[@greyjackal7221]

The Only positive for myself from the exhumation of this grave, is that it forced me to hunt down & order the original X-MEN Animated Series on Blu Ray. It'll be here by the 26th........Don't really care what happens with this sacrilegious nonsense at hand...✌

[@acerimmer8357]

Holy crap, why am I not surprised, just throw it at the wall and see what sticks. Give me a break!

[@LuigiTheMetal64]

"Less is more" would not be the case. That is because quality matters the most since it comes from any time and budget.

[@MagcargoMan]

Is that why you type multiple comments on the same video instead of just typing it all in one comment, because less isn't more?

[@Balevolt]

So if it was me I'd just launch X-Men and X-Force.

[@jaxkommish]

Remember when the X Men had a government liaison who gave them mission orders? Good times...

[@kyledamron]

Kinda wish they just kept it to 1 or 2 books until they are sure x-men gets fixed.

[@geraldbouvy1222]

Old gail samone, the original cancel pig.

[@jayrock4696]

They should have let Johnathan cook❤

[@Ramsey276one]

3:57 ... wait, did you say GOOD Beast?? There's more than one now?!

[@donalddavis7423]

I think Age of Apocalypse Beast has been running around as a villain for a while now.

[@Ramsey276one]

@@donalddavis7423 OH Still around, huh?

[@Bluesit32]

​@@donalddavis7423That's not who he meant.

[@Bluesit32]

Hank went off the deep end during the Krakoa era. He now commands an army of mindless Wolverine clones, his own base that is also a submarine and a giant mech and absolutely zero morals. His current plan is to seal Mars in another dimension to keep the mutant population there safe. He MIGHT undo it once the world stops being manipulated by ORCHIS. Maybe. The X-Men recently cloned a version of Hank from before the Krakoa era though and he's the younger, friendlier Beast.

[@donalddavis7423]

@@Bluesit32 thank you for the correction. I was just thinking of the evil Beast I knew and didn't think they had the guts to go back to the "Beast but evil" well again.

[@sanaaamir3462]

The opening❤

[@lordshell]

Is Marvel still putting out comics?

[@philippe-cb8wj]

Humans always had good reasons to fear mutants. Mutants always had good reasons to fear humans and mutants. Maybe I didn't read enough comics and I don't get it but it seems obvious to me. Can someone explain this to me?

[@johnnydidonna6081]

Racism. Was that hard?

[@philippe-cb8wj]

@@johnnydidonna6081 If Magneto existed, I would fear him because he could wipe out humanity by reversing the Earth's axis. I wouldn't fear him because I have a bias towards mutants. Each mutant is unique, some are pretty cool and I'm pretty sure that most mutants would oppose him. Would they be racists as well?

[@europeanlore]

Flooding readers with bland nothingburger titles with seemingly vast universes seems to be the norm in both mainsteream and in indies.

[@kirbymarchbarcena]

Oh, no...my X-Men!

[@eddiesimbol2661]

Devil's advocate: Okay, this took some time, so please don't dismiss it out of hand. New Mutants #45, bullying leading to permanent decisions. Without defining who causes what, give us that story. Maybe make us think about how we treat each other. Likely? No. But with 12 titles, the odds are increased.

[@DOAM1234]

i really wish the new warriors would have made it out. at least 20 issues. genuinely. then, when all hope is finally lost, millar or just any good pro gets on it and actually makes it a good book.

[@dragonwatter]

be realy nice if marvel understood thatt characters should be juged for their action. the only book thats somewhat intresting is the gambit boook. and yeah the ogverment and people haave reason to hate and fear mutants, they have paramilitary teams of super powered individuals all over the world.

[@Aureilius2112]

Why does Cyclops look like a kid again? That’s what worries me.

[@Interrobang2626]

Didn't Marvel do this same thing in the 90s? They released a bunch of X-Men titles (Reg., Uncanny, X-Factor, X-Force, Excalibur etc) and then they almost went bankrupt.

[@spinningtornado4543]

If there's anything that be can said about Marvel and especially the X-Office it's that they never learn.

[@iwatchDVDsonXbox360]

1:19 classic status quo? In classic status quo they tried to save regular humans from the bad mutants, not the other way around. Classic status quo is "good mutants vs bad mutants", not "humans vs mutants".

[@Ramsey276one]

0:52 And a pear in a partridge tree! Or whatever it goes, that bs is 7Bananas! XD

[@rodneyholmes5260]

I just want to know where is Synch? I hope they don't kill him off again.

[@mietha37]

Having Eve Ewing and Gail Simone on two of the “main” books, they are going to have to go under the barrel for the rest of the writers because they’re already at the bottom. They have lost their damn minds if they think this is going to be sustainable much less successful. That Eve Ewing book isn’t shipping 30,000 for issue one.

[@garycannon4644]

Is she that bad of a writer?

[@samsonmatimba701]

Jed Mcckay is an amazing writer and i like ehat Eve elwin is doing with black panther so i have hope

[@jackdspaniard]

As I'm listening to this I realise that Marvel has 2 solid characters to reset their universe. If they want to just do it to/for the X-Men then bring back Nate Grey even if it's just for that. A publication wide reboot would make use of Franklin Richards. I will admit that their tenacity for sticking to whatever they did is inspiring even if what they did is fucked up fan favourite franchises and characters.

[@stevenkraft8070]

We'll see. Sounds a lot like Marvel has reached the point where they know they really damaged the draw of their other superheroes, and they can't make any good new ones, so it is time to strip-mine X-Men in the hopes that will keep the lights on and the paychecks from bouncing.

[@seannyhan2254]

I'm interested in Mackay/Stegman, but the rest (yawn), not so much.

[@snakelikeme]

When was secret six like 20 years ago

[@GodOfPlague]

Krakoa was maybe a good idea at first, but man, did they take it off the rails. This is why I prefer manga they dont make you buy 9 books to follow one story. Keep digging your grave deeper western comics.

[@BrappyHour]

I thought Gail was with DC. Do these companies just play hot potato with sub par writers?

[@pelicanhill3251]

I think Uncanny has a chance to be good. Gail Simone does best when she has small teams with strong relationships. You have the Wolvie and Jubilee being old friends, mentor/mentee type of thing, but now she's grown up. Wolvie and Nightcrawler are old friends as well, Gambit and Rogue of course. So that could be a good, more street level X Book. Plain X Men looks OK, but Jed Mackay's run on Avengers has been underwhelming. Exceptional X Men looks terrible. I wish I could be a fly on the wall in their 'creative conferences' and wonder if anyone says, 'Hey, what if we started with one main X-Book with all of the big guns, cyky, Wolverine, Storm, etc, then build off of that. That would surely sell more than these three books, right?