If you are just discovering these and want to see more, my Dan Edmunds (aka Suspensiontuna) KZbin Channel has a bunch.
@davidfarmer2 жыл бұрын
have you been doing them on this channel for a while now?
@ultimatist2 жыл бұрын
Nice, love these deep dives!
@sham552 жыл бұрын
This was an amazing video. Learned a ton that went beyond company provided specs. Thanks Dan!!
@Mamo8782 жыл бұрын
Man, I just love these full on suspension-geek explainers! No one does it better than our man Dan.
@roonie30002 жыл бұрын
Glad to see Dan's suspension walkarounds are back!
@sjtaggs2 жыл бұрын
So glad to see that you are still doing these videos!
@DanEdmunds2 жыл бұрын
Me, too. Thanks. I still plan to feed my own channel, but I'm so glad for the editing help!
@Wasabi91112 жыл бұрын
@@DanEdmunds what’s your own channel?
@terrycabeen2 жыл бұрын
I understood at least 10% of this, and TREMENDOUSLY appreciate the deep dives I'm seeing posted on this truck. Thank you for sharing your expertise!
@user-sw4zl3vy9x11 ай бұрын
I own a RIVIAN R1T and have had trouble with the air suspension. The truck is always lower in the front and higher in the back. It has been serviced 3 times for this problem and the air compressor was replaced, but the problem continues. Aggravating! Gary
@OVER5TEER2 жыл бұрын
finally getting some good youtube content from C/D!
@JonS1275 Жыл бұрын
Great video Dan. I just got my R1T and amazing how well it corners for a pickup over 7000lbs.
@zacsmith13732 жыл бұрын
Great explanation
@victorvandyke98982 жыл бұрын
Very interesting indeed. I am getting mine here in April 2022! The Rivian seems over engineered with all their accessories is a bargain right now. Cannot wait.
@bradcomis10662 жыл бұрын
LOVE the Top Gear style magnetic RTI scoreboard! haha
@assaultlick21692 жыл бұрын
Surprised not to see this on the Edmunds KZbin channel
@DanEdmunds2 жыл бұрын
I think you mean the Dan Edmunds/Suspensiontuna video channel. I will add these to the playlists there, and I will still be uploading videos of my own.
@ArmandoDomingos2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this! I love the deep dive. It's so interesting and cool!
@davidhunt96922 жыл бұрын
Pretty sweet. the multi link aluminum arms reminds me of something audi has been doing for many years now. The hydraulic stabilizer is really cool, genius actually. Had no idea it could articulate this much, very impressive. This paired with the other smart innovation within the Rivian makes me understand the price point a lot more.
@TobyCostaRica2 жыл бұрын
I’m wondering how reliable this setup will be after a few years
@ZyzzUMIRIN2 жыл бұрын
This looks awesome ! I want one so bad ! It would be so fun to just go ripping through Africa it’d feel so smooth in the cabin
@carlossilviotube19 күн бұрын
It would be interesting to try the R1S with its shorter wheelbase.
@phillyphil15132 жыл бұрын
5:29 - because: TENNECO (parent company of Ohlins). btw thank you for this deep dive. this is clearly NOT what most reviewers are going to get into since it's not in their "wheelhouse". i first found you when looking up info on the "anti-torque steer" of Civic Type R.
@kululv2 жыл бұрын
that was an amazing review!
@mustnoor2 жыл бұрын
This is an interesting technology it will be interesting to see the reliability of it. I wonder if it would be like the old Lexus system where owners just took it out and went back to spring suspension
@PC-iv5so5 ай бұрын
These Rivian upper control arms in beefy aluminum, look sooo much more superior to Cybertruck's thin stamped steel upper.
@electrikoptik2 жыл бұрын
Dan tested the Land Cruiser and it scored 661. Still the king of flex!
@arialdrone56322 жыл бұрын
You should test the l322 Range Rover. It has independent suspension with a crosslink system that makes it score 710 on the RTI ramp.
@mukulbondade95592 жыл бұрын
Amazing video, great insight into suspension
@steveelliott772 жыл бұрын
Impressive piece of kit.
@hugokatz Жыл бұрын
I'm probably not an electric car fan. At the same time, this one is the most interesting. Hopefully they fix the ride, in the SUV, before the styling wears off.
@timkiwi2 жыл бұрын
Great review
@serjiang2 жыл бұрын
My Corolla shares the same wheel technology as what you find on a LaFerrari. In that it has four wheels wrapped with rubber tires.
@SylasG2 жыл бұрын
Idk if McLaren should be credited for coming up with hydraulic roll control. The new military JLTV built by Oshkosh has hydraulic roll control in the same way, piped left to right between the shabs. As well as driver adjustable ride height for different scenarios. And has been in development for many years.
@frederic.tammiegeorge42782 жыл бұрын
4:59 compression is the lower one, rebound the top.
@rc12315892 жыл бұрын
Super cool tech... first I've heard of hydraulic anti-roll systems... and "bag-over" shock absorbers! Clearly obvious this was a long development vehicle!
@ZacharySchulz2 жыл бұрын
Very informative!
@Ryan_ringler5 ай бұрын
Who’s here from the cybertruck flex test😂 the R1T is very impressive in these results
@canalacelerando59602 жыл бұрын
Amazing videos!!!!
@bbauerf1a2 жыл бұрын
Does articulation increase if you set the suspension to soft or lower the ground clearance? I.e. let all the air out of the bags? Or in normal mode do you pretty much get every inch of wheel travel out of it
@Willsimp4tacos2 жыл бұрын
Clearance range is from 9-14" depending on mode
@DanEdmunds2 жыл бұрын
Normal is the lowest setting I'd want to use off road. It's unclear if the lower aero mode (which only works at highway speeds) or the access mode (only when stopped) would help. It seems like the wheels are fully stuffed in normal mode, but the bump stops are hidden up inside the air springs, so I can't visually confirm that.
@SylasG2 жыл бұрын
@@DanEdmunds Would be interesting to check the ramp articulation in access mode if there's a way to get it to stay engaged when slowly rolling forward. Maybe disconnect speed sensors lol.
@ocrun67652 жыл бұрын
with 4x motors I was envisioning no axles but not sure how that could get engineered. would be nice to not have to worry about axle breaking on rock crawling
@ALMX5DP2 жыл бұрын
Motors integrated into the wheel hub is one such way. I think there are a few companies already looking into that type of 2/4 motor system. Adds unsprung weight though, so pros and cons to everything.
@JMMmarketing2 жыл бұрын
So the 720s, AMG w220, c215, r230, RT1 have same tech suspension?
@damienlee11652 жыл бұрын
Don't Landcruisers use hydraulics too?
@mitchellgreen66852 жыл бұрын
Not on the same way. KDSS is front to front on stabilizer bar.
@DanEdmunds2 жыл бұрын
Not in the same way. Land Cruisers (standard KDSS) and 4Runners with optional KDSS have physical front and rear stabilizer bars that can be rendered ineffective in frame-twist situations. Hydraulics are involved, but in a different way that does NOT involve the shock absorbers, which are conventional (and easily replaced/upgraded). The has no stabilizer bars at all and uses interconnected shocks instead. See this for the deets: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2Sln3-CrMeGmaM
@danmar0072 жыл бұрын
Wish I could afford one. :-)
@ALMX5DP2 жыл бұрын
I remember hearing about the McLaren’s hydraulic suspension and thought it connected diagonal wheels (driver front to pass rear and pass front to driver rear). Is that correct and if so does Rivian do similar? Sounded like in the video it was just front connects to front and rear to rear.
@mitchellsteindler2 жыл бұрын
McLaren does do front to back as well. Across the diagonal I believe.
@mitchellgreen66852 жыл бұрын
Dan indicates front to rear.
@ALMX5DP2 жыл бұрын
@@mitchellgreen6685 did he mention somewhere else that i missed? I heard at 5:02 and 5:24 which made it seem like it just linked across the axle.
@SylasG2 жыл бұрын
@@mitchellgreen6685 It's not front to rear, it's left to right. For ROLL control. Front to rear would not be beneficial.
@mitchellgreen66852 жыл бұрын
@@SylasG It is a central valve body and therefore can send fluid/roll control to any corner. It is fully cross linked. If it was merely side to side it would not be novel at all. Read a little more on it.
@commbubba19902 жыл бұрын
Air and hydraulic suspension. What could go wrong?
@ALMX5DP2 жыл бұрын
To be fair most conventional suspension is already hydraulic with additional gas assistance.
@flashsushi18432 жыл бұрын
Great video and technology to boot. If only Tesla fans can explain why exactly Tesla vehicles' technology is so advance. I keep reading those comments yet they fail to enumerate at least three technologies that make their vehicles cutting edge. I don't think OTA is an advantage especially when it lowers the total driving range and slows charging to protect the battery and Tesla from warranty liabilities.
@migueljardim81772 жыл бұрын
Octovalve for cooling and cold/hot weather performance would be one
@boriss99162 жыл бұрын
Heat pumps and heat exchange in general. Structural batteries. Body-on-frame is less suitable for EVs - Tesla has/plans no vehicles with body-on-frame design. Efficiency is highest of what's available on the market (though the Rivian is not that bad, either - waaaay better than the Hummer EV). Software is way more advanced. I have to say I like Rivian. Tesla would be my first choice, but they don't offer a truck yet.
@charlietango65462 жыл бұрын
Wait...does this mean Dan left Edmund's?!
@mcdick2 жыл бұрын
Don't those indents in the wheels collect ice?
@mitchellsteindler2 жыл бұрын
I've never had a wheel that didn't collect ice...
@mcdick2 жыл бұрын
@@mitchellsteindler Well one gets ice if driving in slush or deep powder that gets melted by the tyre heat. But there's also those wheels that don't have slope out of the wheel. We used to have cheap after market wheels for the winter tyres in our old volvo. it basically had bowl shape in the inside, so it collected all sorts of crap that didn't flush out. Mud and everyting water based that could freeze. We had those for month or two and had to get better ones as they just collected stuff and vibrated on daily basis :/.
@frederic.tammiegeorge42782 жыл бұрын
7:05 it's completely aluminium
@rodneypratt43242 жыл бұрын
Yeah yeah yeah when do we get the truck
@aconfusedazn2 жыл бұрын
Those aren’t Brembos but Mando
@DanEdmunds2 жыл бұрын
I didn't take a picture to prove it, but Brembo is clearly visible on the front calipers, but its small and isn't visible from the angle I shot the image. As for the rear, I don't make any Brembo claims back there. Could be Mando, Akebono or any number of other suppliers.
@djquestionthis2 жыл бұрын
@@DanEdmunds Any idea what the diameter of those massive front rotors are?
@ElectroMusicLab2 жыл бұрын
Like 👍
@phillyphil15132 жыл бұрын
#BAGOVER
@car-lo2 жыл бұрын
Wow no stabiliser bar, welcome to digital suspension, complicated to a simple solution. Im good with my analog.
@logan5942 жыл бұрын
Analog can’t can’t live adjust. But I get your point if you just want something reliable.
@mitchellgreen66852 жыл бұрын
Analog can’t articulate like this off-road and then corner flat on the road like this vehicle can.
@jrzez2 жыл бұрын
Is there a study on the safety of EVs? Considering the enormous weight of these things, like this truck, how much more at risk do they put people in your average 3000-3500lb car? Not to mention they handle horribly but go super fast in a straight line in that burst.
@ultimatist2 жыл бұрын
Definitely an increased risk, likely negated by better stability management, TC, and safety systems.
@DanEdmunds2 жыл бұрын
EVs in general do not handle horribly, in my experience, because the added weight is low down and centralized, which is good for handling. This truck, for example, handles better than a Raptor, TRX or Colorado ZR2 because of that and because it has 4-wheel independent suspension. In our tests, the R1T stops from 70 mph and 177 feet, and it generated 0.80 g of cornering grip. The Raptor manages 214 feet and 0.69 g, the TRX was 189 ft and 0.70 g, and the ZR2 Colorado was 206 feet and 0.69 g. So it looks like the R1T would be better able to avoid an accident via shorter stopping distances and better maneuvering grip. Your point about mass is well-taken, though, because physics is physics when two vehicles *do* crash into one another. But that ignores the potential for accident avoidance in the first place. That said, the overhyped 0-60 mph marketing metric for EVs is kind of silly when everyone is more concerned about range, and hauling ass all the time doesn't help that prospect one bit.
@djquestionthis2 жыл бұрын
@@DanEdmunds I tried my hardest to get an r1t to break loose and it just wouldn't on pavement. This truck scares me in a good way!!! I'm hooked.
@bikeaddictbp2 жыл бұрын
In no way does a Rivian handle "horribly". In fact, most recent EVs are noted for good to excellent handling characteristics. The battery placement leads to a low center of gravity, and it is normal to use all-independent suspension - although not necessarily as sophisticated as Rivian's shown here.
@keithmathews10342 жыл бұрын
There's nothing good about that "little rib" in the wheels. If the truck is driven for what it's made for, that "little rib" is going to fill up with mud and it's NOT going to come clean in a car wash. My 2012 Toyota RAV4 had the same thing, would fill up with mud, and throw the wheel out of balance so that once you got off the logging trail or fireroad and hit the main highway you'd be shaken'. Stupidest design I ever saw in a wheel. Any engineer with a lick of common sense would have figured this out as I knew it as I soon as I saw it.
@chrisfriends79112 жыл бұрын
Tesla copycat
@Kenjiro57752 жыл бұрын
To say that pickup is anything like a McLaren is a joke.
@assaultlick21692 жыл бұрын
Nobody said that. He said they use suspension components from the same supplier and the same style of hydraulically cross linked suspension. Maclaren is the only other manufacturer using this on a road car as it has been previously used primarily for off road (racing) use
@aconfusedazn2 жыл бұрын
Your ignorance is showing
@rickjohnson28592 жыл бұрын
Listening is a skill, something that you don't possess.
@Kenjiro57752 жыл бұрын
@@rickjohnson2859 What?
@gray3142 жыл бұрын
Yeah… it’s faster than an F1 to 60 and less than a second behind at the 1/4 mile.