The RUTHLESS Execution Of Lord Haw Haw

[@PeterEdney-hp9kp]

In 1954 in Henley on Thames oxon I grew up knowing a a very good freind of ours miss Joyes who was Lord Haw Haws sister and her freind miss Fisher in 72 and still remember that lovely lady

[@williamf4544]

My Great Great Grandmother on the Fathers side and William Joyces Grandfather were brother and sister

[@Biketunerfy]

@@williamf4544 Not sure you should telling people that. Even though he was hilarious to us at the time providing hours of comedic Nazi like tirades he still was treasonous and that is unforgivable.

[@paulx3827]

lord haw haw was also a nice chap and a idealist and true patriot

[@Biketunerfy]

@@paulx3827 unless your a Nazi that is.

[@PeterEdney-hp9kp]

@@paulx3827 he just picked the wrong side

[@brilton1]

That was good. The unedited re-take of of one sentence there not only proves that you’re not an AI voice but that you actually care about sentence structure 👍🏻

[@artisaprimus6306]

They used to know how to punish treason back in the day.

[@robertreynolds580]

Explain Forbes-Sempill

[@davehoward22]

Guy fawkes had it coming

[@citizenVader]

It's not much different in many countries in Europe today. Just because they don't have the death penalty in times of peace, it does change during war. Some security requirements demand for the death sentence.

[@kxjx]

Your mum sure knows how to punish my treason

[@nodiggity9472]

How was it treason if he wasn't a British subject?

[@davidjohnson3890]

My late father was in Flemsberg when Joyce was apprehended. My father had been injured on D-day in Normandy but in April 1945 had recovered sufficiently to be given the job of an interpreter by the army. I was told that Joyce always gave the impression of being a well-educated, intelligent and calm individual and this tended to give the senior officers a real hatred of him as he tended to talk down to them and belittle their questions as if they were irrelevant or incomrehensive. If he had talked to them as equals he may have been treated better as he was subject to savage beatings in attempts to get information which really was above his pay grade in the German government, its structure and its personnel in the Flemsberg area. In a way his execution was a revenge killing but he was not the only British citizen turned Nazi who was executed.

[@Christmas-dg5xc]

Each side apparently admired the other so much that it employed the same practices. It's a wonder there even was a war.

[@helmuthj.zotter7272]

Flensburg

[@andym9571]

​@@Christmas-dg5xc No they didnt

[@VidarLund-k5q]

Flensburg.

[@James-ly3rx]

Phlegms turd

[@roberw1912]

His parents were British (Ireland did not exist when he was born). He committed treason against the country he had citizenship. Once you take British citizenship you have obligations.

[@mike8631]

Ireland has always existed. You invading a country and placing your citizens there doesn't change that fact.

[@MarkHarrison733]

Joyce's trial found he had never been a British subject.

[@shaunnixon4979]

I remember my gran telling me about Lord Haw Haw when I was little in the early 70's. I could tell she was actually quite menaced by him at th time. He was a bogey man type figure. She despised him and my grandfather fighting in France in the HLI probably didn't make her feel any better.

[@donaldforbes3458]

AJP Taylor the historian said Joyce's crime was to have forged a passport application for which the normal penalty was a £2 fine.

[@nigelanscombe8658]

The British government wanted something. It wasn’t possible but they got around it.

[@coolhandlukeful]

I wonder if this were repeated today what would the outcome be ? Two years and six months on Tag.

[@undertow2142]

More likely elected to congress to spread Putins propaganda and block the functioning of American democracy. Just see Moscow Marge for a perfect example.

[@willtricks9432]

Ask former PM. Johnson he was in with the Russians and is a traitor in deed and word

[@andrewdore8345]

The government today are far more treacherous than William Joyce was.

[@petegarnett7731]

Execution and ruthless go together. I've never heard of a friendly one.

[@cissiepierce664]

That doesn’t make it any less just!

[@MarkHarrison733]

@@cissiepierce664 His trial was illegal.

[@gc3847]

@@MarkHarrison733 Tell that to those murdered by his pay masters . But legality didnt come into it for them ,did it?

[@MarkHarrison733]

@@gc3847 He served Germany.

[@poetcomic1]

There were several women who were 'Tokyo Rose' (the Japanese haw haw) but never got more than a half dozen years in jail.

[@terinn7115]

Poetcomic, thank you. I was going to ask about her (hers?). Glad you dropped that bit of info.

[@unclesmrgol]

And the one who did go to jail and also lost her citizenship, Iva Toguri, was innocent. In later life she received an award from American veterans (the Edward J. Herlihy Citizenship Award) for the food, clothing, and blankets she bought out of her paltry salary and brought to our servicemen imprisoned in Japan. Further, with the Americans and Australians forced to work with her, she contrived to destroy the effectiveness of the broadcasts. They testified in her behalf at her trial, but because she was a Republican and everyone prosecuting were Democrats, the result was a foregone conclusion: Loss of citizenship and disbarment from voting. Gerald Ford fixed that in 1977 as one of his last acts in office.

[@poetcomic1]

@@unclesmrgol never knew! Thanks

[@unclesmrgol]

@@poetcomic1 She was convicted on the testimony of two ex-Japanese Americans who renounced their citizenship prior to the war. She was convicted of treason because she refused to renounce her citizenship, as they had. The two guys, who had worked with her, hated her because she was unapologetically pro-America.

[@alowry2002]

Thank you.

[@paulkeogh3518]

The British establishment have never let justice and the law get in the way of making an example of opponents.

[@smitajky]

It is one thing that America adopted from its parent country.

[@rossbrown6641]

What exactly does that mean?

[@joekavanagh7171]

True. Birmingham Six and Guildford Four come to mind.

[@wleeclark7696]

Think William Wallace denied owing fealty to King Longshanks but it didn'tdo him any good either!

[@60lark63]

My dad, a tanker in the ETO, told me that he was listening to Lord Haw Haw as he was broadcasting from the beach at Dunkirk. He was reading the unit markings and insignia from British tanks and trucks. Dad never said much else about the man, him and his buddy’s mostly listened to axis sally as they spearheaded across Europe.

[@alexbowman7582]

Legally similar to the execution of Julius Streicher for propagating propaganda in Der Sturmer/

[@MarkHarrison733]

Both were illegally murdered for telling the truth.

[@iancandler5446]

Hardly “ruthless” the whole execution would have been over in under 30 seconds

[@yepiratesworkshop7997]

True. If you were gonna' get hanged, you'd want Albert Pierrepoint to do it. I think his "record" was less than 9 seconds from the time he grabbed the prisoner in the "waiting" room until he sent him through the trap-door. The one you didn't want to hang you was Master Sergeant John C. Woods -- the U.S. Army hangman during WW II. Apparently, he botched a lot of hangings during and after the war when a number of Hitler's henchmen were brought to justice.

[@sid2112]

No you misunderstand. There were no Ruth's present. Not one. It was completely Ruthless.

[@swbeyer8349]

​@@sid2112A little, very little, humor. Puns are a paradox. The lowest form of humor bur, indicate an above average level of intelligence.

[@Adiscretefirm]

​@@swbeyer8349pretty sure that axiom originated with a guy that didn't understand them

[@davehoward22]

Thought they were a heavy metal band

[@jimmyavpi]

Yet nothing happened to King/Prince Edward who was a bigger traitor..

[@ghonbon6341]

traitors are the ones who destroyed britain with immigration and censorship. they were trying to save it

[@yepiratesworkshop7997]

RHIP. Rank Has Its Privileges.

[@ghonbon6341]

traitors are the ones who open borders

[@DaveSCameron]

Really terrible view…

[@suemcgregor9248]

Perhaps he was but look at Harry, betrayed his birthright and gets away with it

[@Kynos1]

He was a comedic figure. Absolutely no one took him seriously.

[@luckyguy600]

what he said was treasonous in a time of war, which England could very well of lost!

[@GradKat]

He was a ridiculous man, but for people who were being bombed out of their homes, losing loved ones, etc, hearing this idiot sneering at them on the radio must have been deeply painful.

[@grottybt5006]

Then why did they hang him. Sounds like that was part of the propaganda to get people to disregard him.

[@grottybt5006]

​@@GradKat nobody took him seriously AND he was hurtful. How can you be both at the same time? Depends how much propaganda you consume. With the magic of propaganda the enemy can be whatever you want

[@paulannable3734]

@@grottybt5006ooh… deep as a shallow puddle. You see what others cannot.

[@woodenseagull1899]

Lord Haw Haw was the best comedian Germany ever had!

[@stevewells2327]

No. I think Henning Wehn has that rank.

[@pooooornopigeon]

​@@stevewells2327Henning is excellent, a very dry humour.

[@2lefThumbs]

​@@stevewells2327 fact👍👍

[@rossbrown6641]

Not exactly! What about the whole leading Nazi regime? Fatty Goering!

[@DoctorX101]

"And no tears were shed."

[@williamf4544]

Not true - I remember my father telling me how his Grandmother who was his cousin cried when he got hung

[@DoctorX101]

@@williamf4544 Well, I would make a joke, but everyone has a family. What if you wake up and find out you are related to some mass murderer or supporter of such? Though look up the "Butcher of Poland." His son came to HATE him, so much, he kept a picture of his father after he was hung. Search these videos and similar, and you will realize the sergeant the Americans used was, well, incompetent. So said "Butcher of Poland" struck his face on the edge of the trap door. His son is proud of that. He would go after Holocaust Deniers and their ilk, because he knew what his father did.

[@MarkHarrison733]

@@DoctorX101 Poland was the first country to ally with Nazi Germany. As for your last sentence, Hutton Gibson told the real truth regarding that.

[@joewright2304]

I note that the U.S. made no effort to stop his execution.

[@Tishers]

Why should the US have put ourselves in a position to have an opinion on it either way? He was a traitor to Great Britain. France and a great many other nations dealt with their own version of traitors as well. The US also dealt with some of our own.

[@pdmacguire]

Yes, but the US Government didn't execute Ezra Pound.

[@Reprodestruxion]

@@DannyWildmenBircher

[@MarkHarrison733]

@@Tishers Joyce was not British.

[@MarkHarrison733]

Joyce had become German in 1940.

[@MFisher7346]

Joyce's life was like a Cohen brothers' movie. Central character thinks up a plan that he is sure can't fail. This plan is quite immoral and evil, and central character ends up regretting he ever had this stupid idea. People who argue that he wasn't a traitor because he wasn't actually a British subject are missing the point. He was definitely aiming to create the impression that he was British when he made those broadcasts, and the UK government responded accordingly.

[@joekavanagh7171]

Pretending to be British does not make you British

[@youarewhatyouare]

He had more listners than the bbc

[@Rickkennett143]

Of course. He was the funniest thing on radio until the Goons in the 1950s.

[@markHODGSON-y4p]

Unlike 'the beeb', Joyce told the truth.

[@MarkHarrison733]

@@Rickkennett143 Joyce told the truth.

[@slr3447]

Pierrepoint calling, Pierrepoint calling.

[@Bolthole1]

😂😂

[@pointsofsue2487]

Joyce applied and took a British passport allowing him all the comforts that gave. Therefore he was classed as British. Hanging a traitor was all that took place here.

[@DanW-nk7sn]

UK subsequently abolished death penalty including the most heinous of murders..... and treason. If Hitler and Himmler did what they did now and were captured.... no death penalty.

[@user-vv6sy2ox4q]

Legally no, because he should've been stripped of his citizenship due to falsifying his application (and even though it wasn't mentioned here I seem to remember that he renounced his British citizenship but, I'm not certain about that). Hess didn't hang and he was Hitler's no. 2. Charles Edward, Duke of Albany, Queen Victoria's grandson, joined the Imperial German army (Queen Victoria forced him to go to Germany pre-war against his will) and fought against the British during WWI, he was stripped of his titles in 1919 but retained his German royal titles, he then joined the Nazi party in 1933 as a senior member of Hitlers government. He lost everything at the end of WWII, but never faced much more than a year in jail and a slap on the wrist, his grandson became the King of Sweden! He was also invited officially by the Seaforth Highlanders to their Regimental Ball in 1953 (he was earlier their Colonel in Chief). I'm quite fascinated by the Duke's story. In the end Joyce's execution was a political revenge killing (not that i'm crying about it).

[@brianmorris8045]

@@user-vv6sy2ox4q He was a traitor to the allied cause by speaking for the enemy on radio no less, citizenship or not. We can be technically pedantic all we like...but he had to be punished one way or another.

[@user-vv6sy2ox4q]

@@brianmorris8045LOL you don’t know much about law do you?

[@alanfike]

​@@user-vv6sy2ox4qI think you're missing the forest through the trees here. Joyce sought a British passport, and the fact that it was a forgery or whatever only adds to his crime. It's also strange to hear such a desperate claim to save the reputation of a traitor. You're defending a man whose last broadcast was on April 30th, 1945 (the day Hitler killed himself) and ended the broadcast with the words, "Heil Hitler." Just what are you trying to defend, exactly?

[@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935]

So he was a traitor twice, against Ireland and England. He got off light.

[@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935]

@@DannyWildmen In Ireland he was on the side of the enemy! Time 1:30.

[@joekavanagh7171]

He was not a traitor to Ireland. Ireland was neutral in World War 2.

[@gerardleahy6946]

Joyce spent his childhood in Galway, on the Irish West coast. His childhood home is about 5 mls from my home. He sided with the hated Black & Tans, a group set up by the UK Govt to assist the police. They were drunken, ill disciplined thugs. I fully agree that he sided with the brutal Nazi regime but think that the death penalty was not at all appropriate. A jail term, followed by deportation to the US, of which he was rightly a citizen would have been more appropriate. I think he was an unsavoury person but many who did worse things were let away with much lesser punishments. In 1976, Joyce was exhumed and re buried in Bohermore Cemetery, Galway City.

[@redtobertshateshandles]

Somewhere to go to POG.

[@davehoward22]

His radio programmes were seen as hilarious to most the public ,death was a bit rough.

[@williamf4544]

Iam related to William Joyce going way back but this side of the family moved to Scotland many years ago

[@gerardleahy6946]

@@williamf4544 It is good to delve into the history of such people. William Joyce was not a popular figure in Galway due to his associations with the notorious Black and Tans. These people were so ill disciplined that even the Officers of the regular British Army were ashamed of their actions. I have often seen his grave. It is well kept and flowers have been placed on it.

[@GradKat]

@@davehoward22How do you know his programmes were considered “hilarious by most of the public”?

[@annehersey9895]

The Americans in the Pacific had mainly the same reaction to Tokyo Rose!

[@jollyjohnthepirate3168]

"Rose" who was an American was visiting her extended family in Japan when Pearl Harbour was attacked. She had no real choice in making her broadcasts. The Kempati would have killed her if she had refused.

[@wattage2007]

They didn’t kill her though.

[@DaLabLover]

Iva Toguri D'Aquino, Tokyo Rose, was visiting her mother in Tokyo when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. She was taken into custody and forced to make those seditious broadcasts. Quietly, she tried to help American troops. She was convicted of treason after the war. But, President Gerald Ford pardoned her as he was about to leave office. Unlike Joyce, Tokyo Rose, was not a traitor.

[@thepagecollective]

British Union of Fascists (BUF): Great scar there, Mr. Joyce. William Joyce: Oh, yes, from the corner of the mouth to the ear. A gang of Communists gave me that. And I’m a great speaker. Look! (Mounts stage.) BUF: Brilliant, sir, brilliant. But we do have our own fiery speaker. William Joyce: Any wiggle room on that? BUF: Afraid not. William Joyce: Well, I don’t like the direction of the BUF! I’ll start my own party. I’ll call it the League of National Socialists. No! the National Socialist League. National Socialist League (NSL): Yes, William, you are a fine speaker, but we really feel Hitler should be the head of the party. William Joyce: But I started this party. NSL: A real shame, innit? William Joyce: Right. I shall go to Berlin and serve Hitler, himself. Hitler: You shall be ze voice to make ze British people friends viss Germany. You shall do zis viss your own radio show. William Joyce: Brilliant! Now listen, you British people, I will speak in my fiery voice to woo you! British Government: Don’t listen to this nonsense! He’s a traitor. British People: But he’s quite hilarious. William Joyce: I’m not hilarious, I’M VERY SERIOUS!!! Men of the British Army, destroy your commanders and join Hitler! Army Major: What all this nonsense, Captain? Army Captain: William Joyce, sir. Army Major: BBC programme for japes and wot? Army Captain: Not exactly BBC, sir, but the lads seem to like it. Quite hilarious, actually. They call him Lord Haw-Haw. William Joyce: I am not LORD HAW-HAW, I’M VERY SERIOUS! Army Major: Well done, Captain. Carry on! William Joyce: I am not LORD HAW-HAW. Did you see my scar? It’s very serious.

[@kevincraven4038]

Lord Haw-Haw claimed German Forces had sunk HMS Royal Arthur, this surprised my dad, who had trained at this "land based naval unit" which was near Skegness. 🤣

[@kennethmaney914]

Starmer calling ,Starmer calling, We could really do with this man here. WE ALL LIKE A GOOD LAUGH. ho ho ho

[@tomgaul9978]

As an American, I have to say that you British come across as all refined and polished but you definitely got a vicious streak in you. Sort of like Alistair Cooke of Masterpiece Theater crossed with British soccer fan. Or maybe a teddy bear that turns into a honey badger when pissed off.

[@uncleghandi5771]

How do you think we managed to conquer a quarter of the planet? It wasn't by being pussies that's for sure. We were simply more ruthless than everybody else.

[@williamf4544]

Yes - And just you remember that

[@Vladpryde]

They conquered half of the world and the British Empire has stood for over 1,000 years. When you come from that, you've got to be strong.

[@GradKat]

That’s bloody rich coming from an American. Your country thinks nothing of sentencing teenagers to life without parole, which is disgusting.

[@cplmpcocptcl6306]

@@GradKatYou realize that was a compliment not criticism. Right?

[@Silsoe123]

Tucker Carlson modern day equivalent

[@allandavis8201]

I agree that his citizenship was a little bit sketchy but both his father and mother were British although his father was an American citizen, but he also lived most of his life in Ireland and mostly England, he attended university in England and if it wasn’t for the fact that he, alongside many others, were disillusioned with Oswald Mosley that he went to Germany to become a true Nazi (Fascist) and ended up being a propaganda machine for them, if he had not been disillusioned by Mosley he might have been turned away from the path that led to him becoming a traitor, but in my opinion it was a just charge as he had most certainly turned his back on Great Britain 🇬🇧 and America and Ireland, any of those countries could have charged him with war crimes by spouting Nazi propaganda, he could have been treated as a noncombatant but he did have blood on his hands just being part of the Nazi regime, he knew what was being done to the millions of people who were sent to the concentration camps and to those who opposed Hitler and his cronies, that made him an accomplice to war crimes and no matter which country he actually held as his citizenship could have tried him as a traitor, it just so happened it was Great Britain, his fate was sealed they day his first uttered the words “Germany calling, Germany calling”, therefore he would have reaped the rewards had nazism had prevailed and that means he had to face the consequences of being on the defeated side as well.

[@annpeerkat2020]

loyalty to the country of one's parents' birth.... loyalty to the country of one's upbringing... loyalty to the country where he was educated.... I can imagine a lot of confusion with flag ceromonies and the like, with your outlook. Are all modern students that are educated in other countries required to change their citizenship while going to universities? Are all workers that obtain employment overseas required to change their citizenship for the period of employment? Were half the soldiers of the american civil war guilty of treason? You have some bizarre, unjust, and unworkable ideas! By your reasoning people are guilty of crimes because of who they are....not what they did. Or are you suggesting that if any non-british person took employment in the german WW2 propaganda radio broadcasts, they should be executed? It's hard to work out what crime you might charge them under before you hung them! Would you be charging all jews that disagree with israel's genocide with treason as well? Would you be charging all vietnam war draft dodgers with treason and hanging them? Should you be charged with treason and executed because you were a bit creative with your last tax declaration?

[@rossbrown6641]

Brilliantly said! Totally correct. Cheers, mate!

[@joekavanagh7171]

He would not have been charged with war crimes in Ireland because Ireland was neutral in World War 2.

[@MarkHarrison733]

Joyce's trial confirmed he had never been a British subject. He was murdered for serving his country, following an illegal trial.

[@blackrosecomb]

Go away. As far as possible.

[@MarkHarrison733]

@@blackrosecomb We fought the wrong enemy.

[@GeorgeHutchins]

If tried in a US Court, as a US Citizen, he would have received minor prison time like Tokyo Rose. Sad for him, he didn't go directly to Sweden, as planned, instead of in post-war Germany.

[@nwmgnoe316]

Though I don't agree with his execution , he and Tokyo Rose are quit different cases , she was forced to do what she did .

[@nathanadrian7797]

Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were executed in the U.S.

[@DaveSCameron]

Hahaha, or the Rosenbergs😂😂😂😂

[@eddiegould6091]

He didn't kill anyone He wasn't a British citizen He had 3 passports america german Irish

[@watkinsrory]

Job done though. All is well that ends well.

[@willtricks9432]

Still acted like a shit and paid the price.

[@davidlynch9049]

Wow, cry for him. 🙄

[@cwealthforces]

There was no such thing as an Irish Passport, not valid anywhere, there was only a British Passport until 1949 when the Free State became a Republic. Joyce was not an Irish republican, he fought against them. "He wasn't a British citizen", by virtue of him having lied to get a passport he was entitled to via his mothers country of origin! Still trying to work that one out! If he'd obtained a British passport by deception and then betrayed the country, it would still technically be treason, to argue otherwise would be farcical. It's equivalent to a Nazi agent landing in the country under false ID. However, it would be true to say tens of thousands of people who did far worse, got away free! Very few war criminals were executed and those that were actually killed or were involved in the killing of masses of people. Many of his fellow British Union of Fascists had suffered a few weeks or months in prison, the vast majority had none. He was a standing joke and his only real contribution to the war was giving the Home Front something to laugh about. He should have been given 10 years hard labour. There was no need to execute him, it proved nothing.

[@genngeorge9909]

@@watkinsrory You tortured small animals when you were young, didn't you?

[@gordonadamson5854]

William Joyce shouldn’t have been executed as a traitor as he was from southern Ireland and took up German citizenship long before the war so therefore he wasn’t a traitor if anybody should’ve been on the goals it should’ve been the king Edward as he was a traitor

[@markbriten6999]

Given his date of birth he'd have been a British citizen

[@joekavanagh7171]

@@markbriten6999 my parents were born in Ireland before the country achieved independence in 1922. They never accepted the privilege of being British citizens.

[@MarkHarrison733]

@@markbriten6999 He was born in the United States.

[@joekavanagh7171]

The guy was hanged for being an entertainer

[@johnreed8336]

Entertainer/traitor .

[@joekavanagh7171]

@@johnreed8336 he wasn't British, so not a traitor

[@Christmas-dg5xc]

typos deliberate: The daeth penlaty for talking. I thought only the bad guys did that.

[@dsmith2568]

That missed edit at 545 made me think I was having a stroke

[@eyefreely9682]

This is EXACTLY Why you should watch what you put on the web

[@PaulStevens-z8b]

Can you elaborate?

[@TheBrandon40500]

@@PaulStevens-z8b Can you use your imagination without asking stupid questions?

[@PaulStevens-z8b]

@@TheBrandon40500 in what way is it a stupid question? My imagination can come up with all sorts of answers without knowing for sure what he/she means.

[@DaveSCameron]

@@PaulStevens-z8bI have to ask for clarification???

[@cogitoergospud1]

@@PaulStevens-z8b I believe his point is that at some point in time others may decide that “non-compliant” speech should be punishable by death, and the fact that a statement was made years in the past might be irrelevant.

[@chrisleach3958]

A little unfair, I would’ve said. he should have been given credit for all the light entertainment. He provided citizens of the United Kingdom during the war.

[@wattage2007]

Totally. My dad said his family used to mock his broadcasts every time they heard his voice on the radio. A figure of fun really, rather petty and vindictive giving him the death penalty.

[@darrelneidiffer6777]

The allies were really mad at him.

[@Roz-y2d]

And some!

[@derekfranklin1868]

The truth is William Joyce (Lord Haw-Haw) was not a British traitor. He couldn't have been because he was not a British citizen. He was a citizen of the Irish Republic, a neutral country. Because he was in possession of a false British passport this was used as an excuse to try and convict him as a traitor which was a successful ploy! From a history point of view, instead of this act of bloody revenge, it would have been better for him to have a life sentence. I'm sure he would have some interesting stories to regurgitate. For a start he'd revealed knowledge about the impending Soviet Socialist threat from Stalin's Russia.

[@antoniokasto4293]

Yes I agree with you

[@jeffreyrobinson3555]

I don’t want it to sound like excusing Nazis here. But the Nuremberg trials Lord Haw Haw and the Japanese war trials stink of revenge more then justice

[@terryfox1575]

You make that sound like a bad thing

[@jeffreyrobinson3555]

@@terryfox1575 I think it is. Especially when we look at Germany and Japan And when we look at equal atrocities committed on both sides. Was bombing Hiroshima better then Dresden or London, equal or worse. Were rapes and murder encouraged by the USSR better than Germans. Was Tojo worse than Mao? Was Lord Haw Haw worse then Charles Lindbergh of HRH Edward the eighth. Revenge isn’t justice. Of note, Nuremberg wasn’t done under English or American common law, where proof of guilt was needed, but under code Napoleon where proof of innocence was required

[@annpeerkat2020]

@@terryfox1575 at least you're honest about your lack of CDF

[@wattage2007]

Absolutely. And there was me for most of my life thinking we were the good guys in WW2.

[@pirobot668beta]

Taking revenge for a traitorous attack? Well, it's a sure way to prevent an attack in the future. Justice and War are mutually exclusive...didn't anyone tell you?

[@bromisovalum8417]

he resembles George Sanders

[@nickd4310]

At the time, there was no British citizenship, only subjecthood. The Irish became Irish citizens in 1922, Joyce's application for a UK passport was probably sufficient to prove his allegiance to the UK.

[@markkettlewell7441]

Lord Haw Haw was an insidious menace on the airwaves and my grandmother told me about how his broadcasts upset her friend and gave her great anxiety. My grandmother was sanguine and told her friend not to listen to him. He stated things like. ‘You think you’re safe hidden away in your small towns, But we know exactly where you live and are coming for you.’. My grandmother’s friend was Jewish.

[@MarkHarrison733]

See why Churchill wrote an article blaming Jews for Communism.

[@andrewdore8345]

I understood something differently. Lord Haw Haw went to Germany just before the declaration of war. He actually went there looking for a job as a propagandist for Germany. He was quite disappointed at first that they didn't offer him anything. Eventually he got a radio station to broadcast. Also, the Government didn't know who he was for 18 months or so.

[@deadandburied7626]

Nothing ruthless about his execution. His broadcasts terrified my grandparents and parents. They lived through WW2 in extra fear.

[@MarkHarrison733]

Britain was on the wrong side.

[@jacquieclapperton9758]

According to Rebecca West at the time ('The Meaning of Treason' is still an excellent book), the prosecution relied on two counts. While Joyce's parents had taken USA nationality and he had been born there, giving him USA nationality up until the time he gained German nationality before the USA entered WW2, he had lied twice about his nationality being British. He had been in the Territorial Army, stating that he was a British citizen born in London, and taking an oath of allegiance to George V and "his heirs and successors". He had also stated that he was British and born in Britain on his passport application, therefore gaining the subsequent protection of a British passport which was considerable at the time. He was never an Irish citizen: he was born in the USA to US citizens (at least his father which is what counted at the time) and never made any attempt to acquire an Irish passport; he in fact was employed by the British in fighting Irish nationalism. He had broken his oath of allegiance to the British monarch and had obtained a British passport, thus gaining all the then advantages and protection of such passport while attempting to elude any disadvantages.

[@invisibleray6987]

Ruthless 😂😂😂

[@chrisworthen1538]

That looks like a deliberate “squealer scar to me”.

[@willtricks9432]

Shows he had a BIG mouth.

[@Roz-y2d]

Really? Interesting.

[@JohnHannigan-wx8ng]

What was ruthless about the execution?

[@busterbiloxi3833]

The narrator’s way of speaking is a ruthless assault on my ears. What is his problem?

[@MarkHarrison733]

It was illegal, like his trial.

[@Roz-y2d]

@@MarkHarrison733Yes, it was but he was still a traitor to the allies and his birth country.

[@MarkHarrison733]

@@Roz-y2d He was born in New York.

[@Roz-y2d]

@@MarkHarrison733 I know, he betrayed both.

[@mikeycraig8970]

This is the only reason that Shamima Begum should ever be allowed back.

[@trevormillar1576]

The originsl "Comical Ali".

[@kevanhubbard9673]

The Sir Basil Rathbone 1942 Sherlock Holmes film the Voice of Terror is effectively about Lord Haw Haw with extra twists and turns.

[@MarkHarrison733]

The worst film of the series. Rathbone was never knighted.

[@PhilipDarragh]

Finally, a narrator that knows the British R not citizens. They R subjects. Just like the people of any country that has a monarchy. Tks.😊

[@Arthur54321]

Why do ao many people want to be British citizens then? All those so called asylum seekers?

[@forsdykemontague1017]

Since 1981 the British are citizens as defined in the British Nationality Act 1981.

[@stephenbranley91]

Except you're 100% wrong! We've been citizens since 1981.

[@garylester3976]

Being a fanatic might not end well.

[@plaiddad276]

Regardless of the legalities, he would have been found guilty in some court that had a solid claim to jurisdiction. In the end, justice was served.

[@MarkHarrison733]

All Joyce had done was serve his country, unlike the traitor Churchill.

[@TorquilBletchleySmythe]

Its true, no Ruths were given.

[@norbertholstein2604]

Not a traitor

[@ShamAmram]

Shamima Begum anyone? We used to know what to do with traitors

[@andym9571]

She was a child when she went. She was basically groomed

[@odysseusrex5908]

How did the prosecution "get around" the matter of his citizenship? Were the people who gave the Nazi salute when he was executed doing so ironically, to mock him, or were they actually supporting him and Fascism?

[@Idahoguy10157]

The US government could have said he was American. But didn’t. IDK if Ireland claimed Joyce as their citizen. Not that I feel bad for Joyce…the British authorities were going to convict and execute him

[@NicholasNappi]

Oh my lord haw haw was a absolute evil person I am not surprised that people hated him and I am not shocked at the treatment he got. I mean this person is absolutely horrible.

[@wattage2007]

There are people more horrible than him in every western government.

[@malcolmmitchell6529]

Ah, never known a BLUNT razor.

[@Necron990]

Hmmm, was made fun of and his show was seen as humorous by the British populace and military. What was his crime again? If anything he was hurting Nazi propaganda by not being taken seriously by the Brits. Didn't the Germans ever realize this?

[@DaveSCameron]

I believe taking up arms against your nation during wartime was the general charge, I.e. treason.

[@Kevin-zz9nc]

I grew up in the same neighborhood and attended the same Jesuit school in Galway Ireland. The house he grew up in was right on the beach so they certainly weren't poor. It was knocked to build a leisure center in 1973. Ironic twist he ended up in the same cemetery as the Jesuits who taught him. What English dont realise was that he was a spotter for the Tans and therefore a traitor to the Irish also.....

[@willemventer3935]

His mistake was thinking that the allies would take the law and justice in regard.

[@fds7476]

It wasn’t lawful, but it was justice.

[@willemventer3935]

@@fds7476 IF ITS NOT LAWFUL ITS NOT JUSTICE!!!

[@Secretgeek2012]

Back when we knew how to deal with Nazis.

[@scubasmog]

Back when we could define Nazis, rather than "you hurt my feelings you nazi".

[@Al-iv3mb]

Executing Joyce was an act of malice. He was responsible for no war crimes, he was nothing other than a radio commentator albeit one who voiced the words of a vile regime. That is surely no reason for the state to take a life

[@bsastarfire250]

The death and destruction of WW2 coloured people's judgement. My mother, who was a very nice person, had a lifelong dislike of Germans and Japanese. She had seen the consequences of their actions.

[@PAPITO_49]

The winners make the rules and write the history.

[@johnreed8336]

Fair game ; no tears .

[@chrisjohnston3405]

Strange to mention the argument he had with his wife just before capture. What became of her? My father and my grandparents, great uncles used to talk about (what was lightly mentioned here) seeing the British crowds, including royals, with hitler salutes! It would be interesting to see the dynamic in Britain between the wars, during the depression and hitters rise. Considering the royal families of Europe being so intertwined and that hitler 1st expelled Jews and few countries would accept them, including the US, I wonder how close the British came to siding with Germany. I’ve never quite understood Hess crash landing in Scotland on a ‘personal’ secret mission!

[@MarkHarrison733]

Margaret Joyce was not prosecuted, in exchange for Joyce agreeing not to disclose his links with MI5.

[@mr.s2005]

conservative? fascists aren't' remotely conservative. Conservative means small government, not a government that exercise a high level of control at ever level.

[@michaelturner5443]

If this was today he would be promoted to deputy prime minister

[@andrewdore8345]

Why Albert Pierrepoint described as "notorious" ?

[@joekavanagh7171]

How many people did Joyce kill? How many people did Pierrepoint kill?

[@MarkHarrison733]

Pierrepoint was a murderer.

[@robertmason6366]

R.I.P

[@bill2578]

I kind of hope our present Traitors take note of Joyce's fate ?

[@sparky1105]

What was so ruthless?

[@jaysonchilvers8271]

His citizenship problem reminds me of Eamon Devalera in 1916. Are they both English or American? Also quite ironic a Nazi supporter who's mother was jewish. But interesting doco, have you done one on tokyo rose?

[@MarkHarrison733]

His mother was Anglo-Irish.

[@richardgrimbleby7853]

He sowed the wind and reaped the storm

[@rienneant7607]

Very true. A terrible and hurtful waste of an education.

[@MarkHarrison733]

@@rienneant7607 He supported the good side.

[@KA-su9ww]

What happened to his wife?

[@tb1974]

Don't have any issue that the Brits hung Lord Haw Haw. He wasn't, by definition, a traitor, but he did need hanging. The US didn't hang Tokyo Rose even though she was an American citizen and a traitor. My dad spent his time on Guam in WWII and he said they always made sure to tune in to Tokyo Rose because she played the best music they could get on the radio.

[@MarkHarrison733]

All Joyce had done was tell the truth.

[@johnpatterson9829]

Albert Pierpoint was not notorious, he was a man who undertook a difficult and unpleasant job as responsibly as he could, Read his biography and the comparisons with US executioners.

[@malcolmmitchell6529]

Who marked him?

[@TheresaWhite-y5i]

Horrible traitor .

[@MarkHarrison733]

He was not British.

[@MarkHarrison733]

Nobody looking at Europe today could pretend that Joyce was mistaken in supporting the good side.

[@ulrichbehnke9656]

Today he would be a hero of FOX-news, appraise Brexit and make propaganda for Putin.

[@chucknichter3233]

Dems are always guilty of the crimes they accuse others of committing.

[@jdenmark1287]

Surprise surprise an Irishman

[@PhilipDarragh]

To Stephen B. Tks 4 ur reply. I was stationen in England FM 1979 to 1981. Beautiful country and people. The only thing I did not like was tt it was always cold. As an American stationed in England, I never heard of tt law. But then again, I did not follow English politics. My question 2U is this. Is there, or is there not, still a British monarchy? Do the British people still pledge their loyalty 2 tt monarchy? If the answer is yes, then the British people R first, and foremost, subjects of tt monarchy. A law can B passed tt states tt the British people R British citizens. But then there is no need 4A monarchy. Plse LMK what ur answer is 2 this question I am asking U? Again, tks 4 ur reply. Hv a great day. Godbless U and ur family. P.S. I was stationed st RAF Chicksands. Right nex 2 the town of Shefford.😊

[@kingkenny2797]

Seems an extremely harsh punishment. Jail for 10 years would be sufficient

[@justinspicyrhino3075]

7:44 "make Britain great again"... sounds familiar.😬

[@LawtonDigital]

Reincarnated as QAnon

[@gussetma1945]

He was Irish. How could he be a traitor to UK?

[@colonelfustercluck486]

he had joined the British military while in Ireland around 1916..... therefore, like all servicemen, he had sworn an oath of allegiance to Britain and the King. He was a sworn member of his Majesties forces..... although he worked for the German propaganda machine some years later, maybe the fact that he was sworn to serve HRH is what got him killed. He should have got himself an instant German passport as soon as he started working for them.... that would possibly have saved him. That's just a theory, the whole situation is tricky given how many countries he had lived in as a young person.

[@gussetma1945]

@@colonelfustercluck486 did he volunteer or was he conscripted?

[@colonelfustercluck486]

@@gussetma1945 ... I am not sure of that. I think he volunteered, but I cannot be sure. Wikipedia states that he was recruited as a mid teen, to provide information and deliver messages for the British Military... I don't think he was regular uniformed Military. But worked undercover. From that, I am assuming he was a volunteer. Maybe it was an informal arrangement, and then he wouldn't have been 'sworn'.....

[@DaveSCameron]

American

[@gussetma1945]

Yes, he could claim to be a US citizen by birth right.

[@mitseraffej5812]

I have often thought that the ex Fox host Tucker Carlson is the American version of Lord Haw Haw.

[@mitseraffej5812]

@Paxanglorum No amount of melting could compare to how much a ❄️ the orange maggot has shown himself to be in the courts recently.

[@jacksons1010]

@Paxanglorum Most likely a Democrat, as he seems to understand that Tucker Carlson promotes fascist ideals. Carlson often comes off as a buffoon, much like Lord HawHaw. And nothing ❄️ about speaking truth.

[@paulmitc]

I love your historical pieces but your delivery and voice is irritating. Your habit of inflecting down at the end of each sentence is a bad one. Practice and improve your delivery and you will get more viewers!

[@patrickcannady2066]

He had it coming

[@davidfelix2594]

Terrible narration which is also full of inaccuracies.

[@repr0bate1]

Not to mention the dreadful misspronounciation of reich! No,it's not reik!! It's reich as in Loch. Try hiring someone without a speech impediment!