The Sad Reality of Modern MMOs | Asmongold Reacts

[@12SickOne34]

Asian Asmon is something I didn't know I needed in my life. This is gold

[@Apoc33]

Asiangold

[@napoelonbonapartheid]

The sad reality of modern mmos is that mmorpg’s original player base grew up and had to live their lives and no new players came in to keep the genre alive. There’s nothing wrong with it tho. Just how life works.

[@lordhughmungus]

No one new came to play because MMO developers are stuck in 2004 and refuse to abandon shitty game mechanics that modern players have no time or patience for.

[@sniffinglue7236]

Original player base from when? What are you talking about?

[@akhsdenlew1861]

@@lordhughmungus but that's the idea of MMOS.. to be that slow-grindy adventure... problem is the p2w and the ridiculus RNG that modern mmos have.

[@tcan225]

@@sniffinglue7236 we’re all 30+, that’s all you need to know.

[@eiwhaz-tina6528]

​@@lordhughmungus exactly this. We grew up but we still want to play MMO's like before.

[@Fydron]

I just play GW2. To me it has perfect community between 2012 and 2022 i can maybe think 2 or 3 morons that i have encountered so the community is far more tolerable than wow has when your ignore list is full in less than few hours if you log in. It has WvW that even with its problems blows wows piece of crap open world pvp and battlegrounds out the window mostly because i have always loved large scale BG's in wow 40 man BG's have been in such a sad state for over a decade that its not even funny anymore. GW2 i don't have to grind 100 hours to get pvp gear so i can finally actually play bg's for fun all i have to do is make new character do the 2 min tutorial and then go mist (the pvp lobby area) set my build and go do some pvp and i never have to grind some bullshit pve reputation crap in order to do pvp. GW2 also imo has the best open world that to me is and should be the main selling point of MMO hell people still actively do world bosses from starting low level areas because they scale and give you stuff that you need for achievements and legendary item crafting. Nobody but mount farmers do WoW's old world bosses and even if someone desides to do them they just oneshot kill them because there is no real scaling at all. WoW to me has one of the most underused and sad state open world i have ever seen in any game i have ever played since i picked up my tac-II controller back in 80's Also the very best part is in GW2 i still have characters from 2012 that still have the gear (mostly) that i got 10 years ago and i never had to replace it because some bullshit patch or expansion that gave new raid or dungeons with better gear. My time in WoW and all its clone type games made me really hate gear reset and grind.

[@Brotection_]

Yep Gw2 is all about gameplay and skill-based action. Not grinding and gear.

[@MikeyPaper]

Too bad its dead though...

[@Branniganslaw143]

The great thing about FFXI is the cool drops almost never get replaced. There were so many amazing pieces you would get and use forever, and on many jobsx

[@TGCidolfus0830]

that amazing dopamine hit when you finally got your 1st kraken club was hard to replicate

[@Ekineko]

@@TGCidolfus0830 Leaping boots from... 7? to 63 and for some jobs still bis for years.

[@omegacloud222]

@@TGCidolfus0830 15 Years later and still chasing the Kraken Club. That thing is still relevant even to this day on some jobs and its shocking how its still one of the most sought after weapons.

[@alexp4942]

Ff11 before they raised the level cap above 75 was amazing. As he says, every drop of sweat you put into the game mattered. You were building your character across years, not patches. Nothing came out that in the expansions that completely invalidated the last expansion. Everything mattered. Everything culminated.

[@walrus2193]

It took months to get Lu Shang's fishing rod. The internet doesn't even seem to remember where the thief's knife even dropped lol. These time consuming things have simply lost their value. It was once where the homies were formed.

[@TGCidolfus0830]

Prepping several days to attempt to fight Maat to raise your level cap was stressful and rewarding at the same time, or the adrenaline rush of trying the solo level 20 summon unlock fights as a summoner with just carbuncle... all these took time, effort, and could easily end in failure, but those pay offs kept you elevated for weeks.... also 1000% agree the game was as its peak enjoyment for me when the cap at 75.

[@jackadam9348]

Ff11 2004-2006 siren server. Those were 2 great years.

[@TGCidolfus0830]

@@jackadam9348 i was on titan from 2003-about 2008

[@CptporkchopJD]

Started on Ifrit in 05/06 stil play off and on now

[@HybridMarco]

Im waiting for a warhammer MMO, so much content, lore, it would be mature enough for us aging players

[@michaelpurdon7032]

They tried and it sucked so bad. Doubt they'll let the IP go through that again

[@Vsg45]

It could be done right now adays... but back then people where trying to dethrone wow. Rift died bc of it and so did Warhammer online. Rushed messes

[@Flexxo4100]

The privat server with warhammer online is stik going strong and a dev team is still making new stuff for it.

[@Crow-lamari]

darktide will hopefully be bringing more interest and people into the warhammer world

[@Fydron]

I am not going to lie i miss Warhammer age of reconing i know there is return of reconing but considering GW i am not going to touch it when if they find out it exists they will nuke it out to oblivion just out of spite because GW hates its customers and because of the nature of mmo's i have no interest in collecting stuff and sinking hours to something that might be gone in an instant liike nostalrius was.

[@hatsu4197]

This video is way better than i expected, Arthas had some great insight

[@Thamer4life]

I'm glad I discovered this guy through Asmon. Keep highlighting the wide breadth of takes and opinions in the community because it brings our attention to YT channels we would like but otherwise couldn't have discovered through the algorithm.

[@Thamer4life]

@@deetsitmeisterjd lmao I'm actually glad he seems to embrace Asian memes himself

[@ElfTaleFilms]

Guild Wars 2 killed WoW because there you can get items that dont have expiration date

[@tw1nzstrpur3]

This was me with YongYea lol

[@atkascha]

Arthars I guess was a big WoW raider, then moved to FF14 a few years back. Was world 5th in DSR (last ultimate in FF14) and one of the best teams rn for TOP

[@davidharrah5065]

I love that he talked about Aion. That game was so amazing when it first came out. If they could have just fixed the massive issues with the PVP for strongholds it would have stayed epic. FFXI is still viable, but pretty much only if you play on private servers with QoL options, and vanilla settings.

[@ElioRose]

I haven't played an MMO since 2009 and somehow I still watch these videos and I know whats going on...

[@Fydron]

To be fair nothing new has really happened since then its the same drama and same problems mmo's had back then only with more loot boxes and microtransactions.

[@foob420]

MMOs haven't evolved since then, just refined

[@araane]

Yep

[@kant12]

These games don't just die. People stick to their community and what's familiar. Even some MUDs lasted 30 years before closing. Everquest is on 23 years. As long as YoshiP is working on FFXIV it will be relevant.

[@user-gg4xn9lb6h]

TeXtMe DiReCtLy🤙🤙🥶🥶..

[@user-lj8yq9vs8t]

Wow. Someone who knows MUDs.

[@xionbarzhad]

I've definitely been yearning for a new MMO experience for quite a long time. I started looking for that new experience about the time WoW Cata came out, eventually found FF14 and use that as my primary mmo. But even though I still play FF14, I just want that new experience from something. We've been playing what is essentially a reskinned version of the same MMO for nearly 15 years. What few games actually do something a little bit more innovative usually don't offer much beyond that elevator pitch. I'm not just talking about their depth of content but their ability to hold onto players beyond the initial "wow" factor. Unfortunately the current MMO structure has become so imbedded that it becomes difficult to think of ways to design another mmo that isn't just "think WoW...but special feature." Lost Ark is "Diablo, but MMO with anime hotness". FF14 is "WoW but catgirls and story." Generalizing but that is kind of my point. Looking for that experience that is truly unique that isn't emulated elsewhere. I don't want an MMO that kills the other MMOs. I want an MMO that offers an experience I can't get elsewhere. I don't want to play these hotbar MMO's for the 30th time.

[@bboyleftfoot]

I never got into mmos because the fetch quest theme park grind just never appealed to me. I always wished mmos felt more 'alive' somehow, maybe Ashes of Creation might do that. On the other hand, a fully fleshed out Valheim MMO might also be the tits. Fucking around and terraforming the world and building shit just appeals to basic human instinct i think

[@eirikrfranklin5284]

you want an mmo with it's own Soul basically is what you're asking. I really believe Guild Wars 1 was great in terms of this. Not like WoW or anything other game out there, but unfortunately it was also so different from the others, it was it's own Demise. You're very right though, most of the MMO's are being reskinned, but still the fetch or kill quests, it's difficult to really do something that hasn't been done in one game or another already.... even more difficult is finding the playerbase that hasn't gone from say WoW Quest leveling then PVP focus to Guild Wars 2 and dumping countless hours into the PVE story and grinding out Skyscales. Tbh the sad reality here is we are getting older, and have seen most types of games and their limitations, and the awe and wow factor after years of having seen it all just isn't cutting it anymore. Another thing i've noticed is that we were always subject to social interactions in the early days of gaming and it was great, finding new friends in guilds or just chatting with random people and building your own guild and a lot of things you genuinely needed help with in the game because you or a duo couldnt do it.... That's been lost over time for the majority of games. Hate to say it, but if you're around 30, golden days of gaming and those memories we had won't be relived, all we can do is cherish them and look back on them now.

[@connorswanson]

I think at least with the Riot mmo we may get some people who are new to the MMO genre. One of the big issues is the genre isn't mainstream enough so many people end up playing on their own but all their friends are just playing more popular games, I know that's the case for me

[@xetera5377]

youre right many LOL players and valorant at least will try to play it,, and both games have big community

[@lulkaku]

Isn't that what Blizzard kind of did? Starcraft, Diablo, and Warcraft were huge, so I bet a bunch of those players found about wow because of other blizzard games. I only played Starcraft, but I knew about wow, unfortunately I was too young to pay for sub fee. :(

[@TheDestructodave520]

@@lulkaku Thats one of the main reasons WoW was so popular; it pulled from a much larger potential playerbase, in all their other games. Where nowadays MMO's are basically just pulling from the shrinking, aging, mmo playerbase. Riot has a ton of potential players and young players with their other games, TV show, etc. It will attract new people to the genre, similar to how WoW did. Its one reason I think its like the last major hope for an MMO resurgence. Something like AoC is only gonna appeal to traditional MMO players and honestly a niche portion, too.

[@bigbadbodypillow]

gw2 is criminally underrated

[@SparTadepT]

very slightly underrated. The ff14 wow refugees have moved over to gw2 and are currently experiencing the same honeymoon phase that they had for ff14. Those players that overrated ff14 are now overrating gw2 because they've been sheltered for 10 years.

[@yoimiyasimper1242]

​@@daze4135 yeah dude, keep it low....keep the barbarians out of there...let them play these grindy fkn copium MMO

[@Fydron]

I actually like that its underrated and has fewer players it keeps the masses away and the community cleaner from most douchebags that large mmos have.

[@Fydron]

@@daze4135 Well of course more people would be fun too but i fear that more people would make the game like WoW where the community can be just described with one word SHIT. Also what copium? every time i log in i see lots of people and wvw is almost always packed at peak hours so it too feels very much alive. Instanced content i do not care at all got my fill on that 13+ years ago in wrath and i still feel that i am full of that kind of stuff and have no interest at all doing dungeons and raids after doing those thousands of times back in TBC-Wrath. Most people seem to have rose colored glasses on when they remember the "fun" times doing dungeons in wrath but all i remember was the constant drama and the amount of people that had zero to none idea how to even do the basic things on their classes and considering the game peaked on its player count there was way too many people that had almost zero idea what to do.

[@hanneskarlbom6644]

@@TheNatos this. You my friend I like, it's ok to not like something and yet acknowledge it. Like I personaly find FF14 too anime and ESO too ES-y, but they are definitly good games for those who like that stuff.

[@bllrmbltzz]

I really don't understand why gw2 isn't being taken seriously here, it's like y'all actively trying to ignore literally the game that's being used as the new standard today of what MMOs are supposed to be. Even wow is copying the mount system.

[@XBPReginleif]

i actually love seen this videos ignoring gw2, they fear gw2 so much they don't want to give it more attention, they fear gw2 be more interesting than their games.

[@bllrmbltzz]

@@XBPReginleif the amount of WOW refugees we've been getting as of late has been crazy. Sure I can see why FF isn't coming over, it doesn't have that weeb aspect. All the advancements, and changes gw2 has been making it's insane to me how people are trying to kick it under the rug.

[@lon8884]

Because the gw2 fanboys are even worse than the FF14 ones. The mounts came out years ago and are the only thing that make gw2 stand out among the crowd, and it's just not enough. It's hilarious how wow stealing the griffin mechanics has been the best ad for the game in the last decade. Also, gw2 is very weeb in it's aesthetic so keep coping lmao

[@bllrmbltzz]

@@lon8884 what a salty ass comment 😂 clearly your feelings got hurt. Clearly you haven't played gw2 either, or you tried it and couldn't finish any of it's content without dieing over and over again.

[@lon8884]

@@bllrmbltzz played over 2k hours. Started in season 2. Game is a botched and misdirected mess constantly fumbling over itself and it runs like shit on modern equipment.

[@Velacroix]

Drops and accomplishments aren't fleeting in FFXI, Asmon. Most gear and items have value for months if not years, either for special utility, sub classes, or can be resold on the AH with retained value. It's still one of the greatest experiences I've had behind a monitor.

[@Shun.-]

if final fantasy would have a newer combat style and redo the graphics it would be one of the most awesome games out there and i think ALLLLLLL of people would quit the other games

[@kegosan7622]

At least a graphical update will come with the next expansion in 2024 with 7.0

[@Kunaives]

The thing about Riots MMO that not many realize is the amount of people they will introduce to the MMO genre especially since it will be Free to play. Everyone from Val,lol, and their other games will hear about their MMO and I bet more than half will give it a try on top of regular MMO players

[@stanleylutzow3132]

now that you mention it, those successful mmo also have pre games and lores to their name.

[@KEKWKEKWKEKWKEKWKEKWKEKWKEKW]

Since all my friends play val and I’m the only one that plays mmos this will help me get them to play an mmo now 🙏🏼

[@felfired3947]

No thanks. Free to Play MMOs always have some shitty monetization model.

[@gamesta8804]

@@felfired3947 but this is riot, in both games the only monetization have been cosmetic.

[@mdsremac]

GW2 is S tear compared to LA. In LA you can not even message guild members. Social aspect is big 0.

[@-CyberFrame]

The reason why I think Riot's MMO is going to be huge when and after it launches is the number of people already in love with the IP. A year ago Riot released a little info on the montlhy active players for the Runaterra based games (LoL, TFT, LoR, LoL:WR) and the numbers were impressive: 180 Million players per month. That's more than the entirety of the Steam users and without taking into account Valorant players. Let's say 10% of those players try the MMO, that's 18M already. To that, let's add the traditional MMO players and the fans of a little cultural phenomenon that revolutionazed the animation industry called Arcane and you get why i think this game is going to be huge!

[@bailz5277]

Guild Wars 2 really brought back the social aspect of an MMO. The more players in a world boss or world event, the more powerful that event is against you, but the better the reward. You have to show up to dungeons, raids, and fractals entrances to ask for people that are looking for group. Each dungeon has 3 different path ways, so during that time you will make long lasting friendships due to the longevity and play time with the players you encounter through this social aspect. My guild hopped to another guild because we loved playing with those guildies and they were larger than our guild, they welcomed us with open arms. Truly my favorite MMO. Love you Zach!!!!!

[@mpales9431]

I believe the future of MMO variety will depend on the games focusing on their "niche" market instead of trying to cater to every one. For example: FF14 story rules all. It has a little of everything but story is its main niche. WoW's daring e-sports approach to their endgame of raids and tournaments is their niche. Ashes of Creation plan to rejuvenate the open-world pvp genre will be their niche. etcetc. If games prioritize on what they are best at instead of trying to cater to everyone, only then will variety and options will return to the MMO genre.

[@northwestclasspnw7974]

This is the problem/success of ESO. Niche is Elder Scrolls universe, but nothing outside of that is original or special

[@robinesque]

There's a pretty strong argument that the aggressive gamification of WoW's endgame is what has led to its decline. It's more commercially successful than ever but as far as other indicators of success I think it's really lagging behind.

[@akhsdenlew1861]

GW2 does a lot of thing correctly instead of just 1 or a few. Yet it's dead.. cus it runs like shit. People need to realise that the main reason why everyone choose wow or ffxiv is becouse they can actually play it.. Even if their pc is equal to a toaster. That's also the reason why Fortnite took over Pubg, even though pubg was clearly superior and SUPER hyped when it came, only 20% could actually play it. the rest of 80% were just get frustrated... and then fortnite came and saved them.

[@saucyboy9719]

@@northwestclasspnw7974 yep and ZOS has slowly let the game get worse by using the elder scrolls universe as its main selling point instead of adding new innovative content to keep the game fresh and appealing

[@totallynottrademarked5279]

Ashes is going to die a quick death like every other modern MMO that tries to make it too hardcore or "revitalize" systems the vast majority of people never liked anyways.

[@usuallyroamingrob3427]

I think its a great thing that games last a long time, a lot of people who played WoW in high school or college back in the day now play it with their kids. Most of the new players on WoW these days all seem like they're the kids of people who play or used to play the game.

[@Elazul2k]

Star Wars Galaxies still my favorite MMO of all time. So many things about it were amazing that just aren't done anymore. Me and my homies had a full player run city. One of us was the fucking Mayor and had an entire character dedicated to the role. I had a Doctor that would buff people and my other buddy had an Entertainer that would dance and do other buffs. Then we'd activate PvP by going Overt and just roam looking for fights and gank Rebels. It was glorious... until WoW came along and they ruined the game.

[@captivehonor6122]

Riot MMO has what alot of MMOs don't have working with them is Riot will back its pvp and pve turnaments

[@seltheus9447]

I agree that XI had an absolute amazing MMO experience. You really felt connected to the world and your adventure. And with CoP it reached its peak. But from a pure gameplay experience XI is absolutely horrific, but you put up with it for how the experience overshadows it. But it was a product of its time. I would never go back to XI, cause it was a 1 time experience...doing it again would mean nothing.

[@drewbocop]

I got New World for 20 bucks and I have been having fun for days. Plus there's a lot of funny people and nice factioning. I felt I got my money's worth on Day 1. I really like it and I went in ready to hate it. It keeps getting better.

[@maxnebula3210]

Guild wars 2 is incredible

[@user-gg4xn9lb6h]

TeXtMe DiReCtLy🤙🤙🥶🥶........

[@maxnebula3210]

@@VGameL0v3e12sF012Ree have you checked out the game in the last couple years? That is part of every MMO but there is a huge gear growth now. From exotics to ascended to legendary armor, it takes an incredibly long time. I find it to be a more rewarding gearing system than any mmo

[@champ6436]

man i remember when Aion was considered the "wow killer" it was one of the only mmo with paid subscription (with ff11) that seem to be able to compete in this market that was already full of free 2 play. but i think the game lasted like 2 year before going F2P.

[@Flexxo4100]

In 2023 I will have been playing Eve Online for 20 years. Game that just keeps going

[@user-gg4xn9lb6h]

TeXtMe DiReCtLy🤙🤙🥶🥶....,

[@ultr0shot440]

The fact that the riot MMO is gonna be free to play will have a huge impact on player count. I truly think that is gonna give the MMORPG genre a shot of life again (If they still plan on making it free to play). That being said, I only have hope that riot will be able to pull off a free to play MMORPG because of how amazingly balanced the free to play games they make are. (Maybe not valorant. But compared to CSGO, it's not too bad).

[@arkhamous]

LoL is an unbalanced mess tho

[@ultr0shot440]

@@arkhamous balanced money wise I'd say. But gameplay wise we can urge a bit 😆. I mean think about it, the have a ton of BS to take your money, but none if it really matters. And the fact that you have to buy champs with RP or Essensce acts as a secondary barrier to keep people from being overloaded with info.

[@revivedsoul1099]

RIOT has a beautyfull and amazing champion design, its very diverse. The lore is decent to. I think its gonna have 10 mil active players, as maybe peak or average. Leauge of Legends has 115 mil or so active players. Thats globally with China included. Top popular games so, I wont be surprised if they a another good game. They already have Leauge and Valorant. Hopefully its an immersive and amazing MMO.

[@TheACLP]

Destiny was a revolutionary MMO, combining FPS with Open world, it was way ahead of its time. The problem is that it had a rough launch and had many studio changes such as ownership, publishers, and employees leaving and new ones joining. The game became to complicated, and the rewards you got was rendered useless as soon as new DLC came out. In other words, GAME IDEA GOOD, MANAGEMENT AND DELIVERY BAD.

[@ElGreco15]

Planetside came out way before Destiny, with hundreds of players on an open world fighting a three way war. Then they made Planetside 2. Destiny is more like a large Halo level with more people you can co-op with. You barely see anyone in the world. Sure it was fun enough to play through but hardly a revolution and hardly a MMO.

[@hungbuiart]

Asmon look up Kraken Club in FF11... that weapon is so unique and overpowered and rare drop. Seeing a Warrior Sub Ninja class (War/Nin) dual wield TWO Kraken Clubs.. its so insane in early FF11.

[@hungbuiart]

@@raielle true… xD it’s still cool

[@TenchiHawkwing]

2 Kraken Clubs is impossible because it's a Rare item. You could do Kraken Club and Octave Club at certain levels but eh... I don't know why you would want to because the base damage is so low and your attack rounds are capped off at 8 hits total.

[@hungbuiart]

@@TenchiHawkwing that's a GM doing it xD lol but you can duel wield it with the Joyesu sword? that does... 2 to 3 swings?

[@Pepe-dq2ib]

Bst releasing crawlers in crawler nest is more exciting.

[@andyandyya]

Meanwhile Tibia holding strong since 1997, their site isnt the only population, Medivia, OTservlist, retro cores and stuff have tons of players aswell

[@MoonDasher07734]

Arthars is amazing as always LOL To add to the conversation, yes there were top dog MMO's back in the day with a huge variety because back then, MMO's were the hotness, especially after WoW release. There was no better social hub or online experience or gaming experience. Also, since MMO's were hot in the market, many companies jumped on the bandwagon and either copied wow or realized their own vision of an MMO, to varying successes. Now, the pool is saturated, the good MMO's (well, 2 like Arthars said) have long-lasting fanbase and pushed the competitors out, it's too expensive or just simply difficult to make a beneficial MMO game. Studios would rather make cheaper mobile games that rack in more profit, also with varying successes. The game genre metagame changed, that's all. Also someone brought up a great point in the comment, not a lot of new generation for MMO players, the playerbase is not cultivated and recycled like other genres.

[@Ahmonza]

theres a multiplayer mod for morrowind. I playing server with a bunch friends, very fun. despite the game being made for single player as a multiplayer game our characters worked really well with one another. if an mmo played like morrowind's multiplayer mod with some basic improvements and quality of life things. it would be a S tier mmo in my book

[@birdieboiler]

I always feel gw2 is slept on so bad when discussing top mmos is kills me a little inside

[@DarkAkuma]

HAHA! The guy saying how when he gets a item in classic wow or whatever, and it feels big or memorable. In EQ... EVERY. SINGLE. ITEM. or acomplishment was huge! And when I switched to WoW.... that was one of my biggest issues. NOTHING feels as big or important. Save maybe when I got my Legendary in Cata. Thats it.

[@michaelgarcia2197]

I feel like if Wildstar got released (or re-release with it’s full content) today in our MMO drought, it would be top 3 imo.

[@yelhtru3756]

i honestly realy miss AION, pvp in that game was above every other games, too bad it turned into pay to win game

[@T4IN]

There were a few games including Aion that were just mismanaged and had potential to be the next big thing.

[@DemiCape]

@@T4IN tera had pretty good combat but then they dumbed down the game so bad. Side quests felt absolutely meaningless and everything was too easy.

[@DemiCape]

then they reseted everything, so my character is deleted now… Haven’t played since.

[@kolliwanne964]

Any MMO creator should watch the first season of Westworld. Players come back for the details, the subtleties. Something they can fall in love with. Elden Ring matched exactly this, it fleshed out the details of the world, gave room for players to discover and immerse themself.

[@Naddoddur]

Elden Ring's grindy open world filled with recycled areas, bosses and enemies matched the MMO experience perfectly.

[@bread_dawg]

@@Naddoddur lmfao true

[@hairzilla]

The level of jump cuts in this vid, it was like stop motion

[@EricN73158]

I gave FFXI a shot about 2 years ago and I had a lot of fun playing it. Last year I tried Everquest for the first time (p99 too) and I had a lot of fun playing that as well. I really like old MMOs but I can see why others may not. Hell even right now I am playing Helbreath and that was more or less made in '99 but I started it in '01. I just really like it's pvp, it is simple and fun. I really liked the old albion online too but now it is... IDK I don't like it that much it is too zergy back in 2018 I could solo in the black zone and take fights 1v2 1v3 and win them but now I go solo black zone and get rolled by 10-15 players all the time. I hate it.

[@WolvesHart79]

When MMOs where at their peak MMOs didn't have to compete with social media...back then a LOT of people played MMOs to socialize. I can't tell you how many guys I know that met there ex-wives in EQ or other MMOs. Times have changed and MMOs are dying because they were a niche experience in the early internet days and they will never be able to capture as many people as they use to. The only people that regularly play MMOs these days are streamers or people that are unemployed...there just isn't a market for it anymore.

[@emachine310]

Back then on FF11 you could get a pair of boots from a low level mob called Leaping Lizzy and I kid you not, those boots were your BIS until you got your job boots and even then you would switch between them because you would need the +3 dex lol

[@SolantisA]

4:54 A bit of a correction here: We do not hate the game, we hate 95% of the players... big difference! By the way, we all speculating about the next wow/ff14 killer... and just imagine if out of nowhere they just released Hytale without any marketing, just a countdown on their site or something lol

[@lightningandcloud]

Cant wait for the riot fighting game. They bought the peeps that made rising thunder that simplified fighting game with mechs and it was fun. Damn shame they had to stop development on that game but i guess riot liked it too and is why they bought them to make the league of legends fighting game

[@Kringerel]

The world of warcraft trial was so amazing. I got to do 3 quests and farm mobs to level 20 :)

[@Eisi0wns]

There's a reason games like Runescape and WoW are still alive after so many years. There's a reason that FFXIV and ESO succeeded. There's a reason that BDO still has many players despite it being P2W. What did they do? They just did it right. That's it. This is why people still play them or keep coming back to play them. Nowadays... every new MMO focuses on too many stupid things and monetization that they end up complicating too much things and die off in the process. Mark my words today: Lost Ark will be nearly dead a few years from now on while Runescape and WoW will still run and be alive like always.

[@oongaboonga8428]

Glad Arthars is getting some love! Very entertaining streamer.

[@argo7155]

Imagine Asmon comming into Albion online with his viewer army. Power which could shift the distribution of black lands, the PvP, omg

[@mrcrabowski]

Well, I think the "problem" is that when players sink hundreds-to-thousands of hours and sometimes tons of money into a MMO game (e.g. WoW, FF14, etc.), they will rarely quit forever (and if they do, it's usually because of real-world stuff) and realistically, as an adult with a job and maybe family, you have time to play max. one "large-scale MMO" game seriously (not e.g. spending 30 minutes a day in an indie small-scale MMO game)... and when new MMO game is released, players jump into it, play for a few weeks-to-months and then leave to keep up with real world stuff or return to their "main MMO game" and the new MMO game's CCP drop... and when CCP drop, *"The game is dying"* will be all over the internet and even more players will quit/potential new players won't buy it ...plus of course, the time changed, the gaming industry and especially players evolved and expecting similar results as in the 2000s is naive

[@coreytravisbean]

I dont think we will have another mmo revival until technology gets us good VR. That would be the next big game breaking avenue, we just arent there yet.

[@selendile030]

The man is spitting straight facts. That feeling from FFXI he explained, I recall all too well from my time in Vana’diel. It is unmatched by anything from FFXIV. I can sincerely say that all of my MMO memories that I’ll never forget….80% of them are from FFXI and the other 20% is from WoW (vanilla,BC,WotLK). Been playing FFXIV for years and I hardly even interact with people. I don’t even have to 🤷🏻‍♂️ . MMOs these days are no different from a damn Overwatch or CoD queue lobby.

[@neotower420]

FFXI was so unique for it's time. I will never forget having to prepare to fight Maat as a Red Mage, I think I put more effort into that fight than I did college level research papers.

[@Mazxlol]

I used to really like wow vanilla low level dungeons like SFK or SM and questing in zones like duskwood or STV. But these days everyone seem to not care about it, people wanna rush to max level only. Boosting etc. I think the game shouldn't be about max level only.

[@punchdrunkfgc]

"It would be really cool if an MMO came out and it just worked, right?" Yeah, it's called Guild Wars 2.

[@beauwalker2767]

surprisingly, I went back to older MMOs like OSRS / Lord of the Rings Online as the newer ones just don't give me that feeling of serious accomplishment. I would go back even further to games like EverQuest or UltimaOnline, if they didn't require you to have a full party 24/7 to do content. Relying on other players 24/7 is super outdated but I also understand the appeal for both.

[@Hosenbund1]

He lost me when he claimed that wow has 5 million concurrent players and ff14 has 3 million concurrent players for wow and ff14 he is taking the daily players instead of the concurrent ones, and for lost ark he uses the actual concurrent players lost ark would also be at around 1 million if it was based on the daily players..and thats just for the western version. lost ark in korea has 200-300k concurrent players too.. and thats without bots..and there are russian servers too people really dont think very far and have no clue what they are talking about

[@neotower420]

He's able to see those numbers for lost ark because of steam, who cares anyway it is what it is.

[@Hosenbund1]

​@@neotower420 yea but he is a content creator, i would expect him to think more about what he is pushing out especially because he doesnt create much videos even but yea like you said.. who cares..it is what it is

[@kurimasu]

My FF11 was Ragnarok Online 🥲 The memories

[@tw1nzstrpur3]

I like how everytime a good game gets brought up elden ring is in the conversation. I've been a fromsoft fanboy for a long time. very few studios can craft worlds like they do.

[@Orphan_of_Kos_or_some_say_Kosm]

It's almost like Asmongold doesn't play video games except Souls games because he was pushed by McConnell to do it

[@magmavolt5732]

GOLDEN ERA of PC MMORPGs 2002-2012 , RIP , it was a good decade.

[@cizmar1972]

You can't forget EverQuest and Star Wars Galaxies. Those MMOs were total immersion experiences even with all the bugs and clunky mechanics that made Vanilla WoW and FF11 pale in comparison.

[@Kieranh778]

This guy is great but the editing of that video is like an anxiety simulator Edit @20:29 that graph is seriously inaccurate lol both ESO and GW2 exist, even if you're not interested in them and they both have far more players than LA..

[@poopikins]

I just want Dark Souls/ Elden Ring with an MMO finish. 10 or less players max on screen at once, that's still wild for that type of game.

[@hightierplayers2454]

I see people recycling the very old and wrong idea that "the playerbase grew up and stopped wanting to play mmos". Again. Wrong! We had NO options! Suddenly EVERY game wanted to be WoW and if the casual WoW style wasn't what you wanted to do, too bad! No options of any significant quality for a decade and a half at least now. Just a bunch of highly-monetized products that all are trying in some aspect to mimic WoW in hopes of being "the next anomalous mmo in terms of popularity and sheer playerbase numbers". We didn't outgrow or stop wanting these games. They stopped existing and being made/developed and its not until AoC now that we are even hearing of any company entertaining horizontal focus in a game.

[@KJaBz1]

The thumbnail with the smug face is such a Asmon classic!

[@BM03]

Joke's on him about FFXI being in maintenance mode. They announced that YEARS ago and never actually stopped updating. The game is still, to my surprise, getting regular updates that are actual content AND story patches (albeit the story is paced small as fuck). I think those dudes got a new super relic weapon to grind recently and an entirely new progression/grind.

[@mangohavoc6428]

Something tells me this video will in a round about way lead to a great new MMO. Like dude said some 17 year old future programmer is watching this and getting ideas.. that will come to fruition in years to come. I have faith!

[@badwolf8112]

if only zuck spent $1b on a top tier vrmmorpg out of the $70b he wasted on the metaverse

[@arifbykr4552]

Everytime someone mentions Aion, my heart aches :'( Aion was the best mmorpg I've ever played, but sadly it's in a horrible state rn

[@voxdraconia4035]

Elden Ring will surely get GotY, and deserved I guess - but not sure if it really will have a long lasting impact. Is it really played anymore, did it really impact the game scene long lastingly?

[@user-gg4xn9lb6h]

TeXtMe DiReCtLy🤙🤙🥶🥶....,

[@HarleyAMV]

WoW was the last MMO that came out and "just was good" because it only had to compete with Everquest and Dark Age of Camelot etc. Even though we now know WoW was scuff as hell on launch, it was so much better than anything else that it seemed perfect. But now a days no one will ever be able to build a new MMO that can hold up against WoW or FFXIV after decades of development straight off the bat. New MMOs will always need time to grow into their own thing and if they don't do something gimmicky that keeps them relevant they won't make it off the "new-MMO-parking-lot." But then they'll be defined by their gimmick and won't attract a large audience. It's a catch-22 and we'll probably never get away from it ever again...

[@Gsoda35]

up the core graphics and make first-person viable. I would try a similar skill system as in Tekken and expand on the ffxiv controller and crosshotbar system. Immersion goes away with distractions like having to look away a second to find and use the correct skill button. personal opinion.

[@FUall19956]

I'm playing ffxi which has like between 2-4k on at any given time and that's insane for one server.

[@gorto90]

100% mmos isnt about having all the content in the world, even though content is good an mmo needs to tap into human Psychology. For example there is a big difference between pressing a teleporter to get to the raid and meeting with some people from your guild and taking the flight path to the raid, see the world... travel it! Players below you that are leveling see the high level guild flying above them, alot of this makes the world feel alive and that is priority 1. (Like playing instruments in FF14 just adds so much "aliveness" to the game)

[@-PureRogue]

To be fair Vanilla had shit ton of secrets and things to learn at the time, it just seems like there isn't much, when you have guides about everything.

[@mistaztreek]

Its sad how GW2 never gets to be mentioned in any of these types of videos, even though their CCP is around 300-500k.

[@hanneskarlbom6644]

@@Lovelessx91 and WoW and FF14 aren't outdated? The game had a engine up date not long ago if that's what you're asking.

[@theaznbob]

Honestly surprised to hear Ragnarok Online mentioned suddenly. I haven't played that game since I was in middle school.

[@superalatreon1]

Ya know, i tried to play WoW. Back when we still had dial up, i was like 10 or 11yo i think. Didn't understand why the download said it would take weeks/months etc to finish. Filled the harddrive and parents were pissed. Never got to play it, and i guess i just never went back to it or any MMO even when technology progressed. Funny to think one small thing in your life can alter the types of games you would potentially play for years/decades to come.

[@BeethoD]

Im still playing DDO...

[@Ryan-lq1gh]

I'd love to see a Magic the gathering MMORPG! Lots and lots of content they can pull from

[@alexgmello]

in case you were unaware. they released one last year (i think), it shutdown a few months later because it was really really bad... magic legends i think it was the name

[@jackbower9087]

Magic went Hella woke so it'd probably suck.

[@caffynated552]

@@alexgmello It was just a gacha scam disguised as an action RPG. Everyone realized immediately you were going to shell out ridiculous money or have a garbage deck. They broke the cardinal rule of gacha scams. You have to hook the player before you start the scam.

[@nawzyah]

i have ZERO faith that WotC could pull off a decent video game, let alone a decent MMO. and yeah, as Jack above pointed out, they've gone woke, so i hope they go broke

[@iNick90]

I haven't laughed so hard in a long time when I watched him copy the graph over to 2035 😂

[@Reialine]

Also in FF11, since Asmon is not very knowledgable of a game, is kinda like Lineage 2 that all progression in patches is VERTICAL! Which means, everytime there is new gear, level cap increase and its a long way to just reach the level, adding even crazier grind than before without nerfing the old content, does it get dated? yes! However the big difference with modern MMOs is that while its true its not the best in slot, its value as a piece to farm does not decrease since you still need it for progression and its worth getting one even when the game is old during that time. Unlike now that its so easy to get a max iLvl gear to the point that it makes anything with less stat and higher rarity a cosmetic farm and therefore loses value.

[@Lunaire.-]

Hey asmon, new to the channel. Your react content is great, keep it real.

[@khmatrix]

I mean I get that many MMOs don't get to live long past their initial state which is why we have little MMO games that are doing pretty well. I have hopes for the Riot MMO and even the Bandai Namco MMO but gotta keep those expections low either way

[@QualeQualeson]

It's nowhere near transformative enough, and the ways MMORPG's could be seriously altered are countless. BUT, the market decides how these games are designed, not nerdy dreamers, and unfortunately Blizzard taught the moneymen that a broadly appealing MMORPG theme-park can make them billions. They are still chasing that dragon, because to them there's no other reason to make an expensive game. It's just like dumb sequels in film, except films are a dime a dozen so you get some good ones anyway, whereas MMORPG's only come around so often. And that's why we're stuck here. The Ashes guy could potentially have been the kind of guy we're waiting for. Some filthy rich person who not only wanted a different MMORPG, but for their own reasons wanted to revolutionize the genre. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like he's it, but that's basically what we're waiting for. I can't picture the board of any company in this reality backing something regarded as experimental, even though it may not actually be as experimental as it looks from the perspective of the Blizzard design philosophy.

[@styxzero1675]

Those numbers are way wrong lmao feel like he is just putting a bigger numbers on the mmos that he likes, also concurrent players dosent mean many players online at the same time. If you take Lost Ark in Korea + West + Russia concurrent players you get it in similar concurrent players as ffxiv. Also Aion 500k+? LMAO.

[@tinytotem86]

This thumbnail is what a Skeleton would look like if he got the partial human update.

[@obiron2099]

Never seen that thing around his neck before

[@Oliver_Nexus]

Did he just say to cut the cord for FFXI!? I play that for nearly 20 years and I don't want to hear the "with a heavy heart" end of service announcement! D:

[@Ezekialify]

I strongly agree FFXI is the best MMO ever. Vanilla FFXI was pretty damn rough though... It took off after the 2nd expansion imo. 3rd expansion was peak.

[@Naruir]

Yeah honestly Elden ring was probably game of the decade. I love this guy too lmao 10/10 asian Asmongold

[@moniker980]

I disagree with Arthar's comment about not recommending FFXI because it's in maintainance mode. I would recommend everyone try it. You can easily play it for 6+ months and enjoy your time in it. Just so long as you know it's basically a finished game.

[@NightZ2_]

The old games focused on the social aspect, and that aspect dies with time. That's a tragedy because you can't recommend a game based on social aspect when the game is in maintenance mode. it's pathetic, really. I can easily recommend Chrono Trigger to anyone because it is the best game of all fucking time, and it will never get old, because the game is not online. No MMO can survive 30 years and still be fresh.

[@Krusttyy]

Great video. Aion was the shit. It was tough to beat

[@Reialine]

NGL Riot for weird reasons give me the same paranoia as Blizzard did, when Blizzard was doing so good around 10 years ago, they were also so good they didnt have any single bad release and they receive praise and love for the community, but i somehow, since cataclysm from weird reasons was expecting a betrayal, it happenned much later than i thought but I had that feeling, I dont know why Riot also brings me the same kinds of flags, specially that they are bigger and more succesful than blizzard at its peak, covering even FG, FPS, etc.

[@ACowIsHuge]

This Man has really good takes on the Things he Talks about. I didnt even think about the Evolution of the Market etc.

[@nachyomoney3598]

Dark Age of Camelot in my opinion is the best all time MMO in a lot of ways. It just needs to be modernized.

[@Zabijaka87]

GW2 S++

[@garrettrast2953]

Legends of runetetra is by far the best ccg out and easily the most f2p friendly. I have put 100s of hours into all major card games and LoR is the only one I always come back to.

[@Angarato86]

ff11 was absolutely amazing back then but can never work in this day and age sadly. 1 of the best things about ff11 was horizontal progression. for like 3-4 expansions the level cap was not changed. it just added extra content, amazing quests, crazy stories, epic insane grinds. quests like scarab lord in vanilla, long ass crazy fucking entire guild multiple months of farming for 1 weapon for 1 person kinda questlines that was absolutely insane. and it didnt get replaced, those items are still relevant today. the stuff i did back in 2005-2006 is STILL useful for my character if i came back right now. whilst still adding new fun content.