The Sad Reality of Throne & Liberty

It's been a few months since Throne & Liberty released in Korea... and things aren't looking good. Here's what you need to know. Get LUCKCATCHERS2 here: bit.ly/Force_LC Thank you LUCKCATCHERS2 for sponsoring today's video.

[@ReiseLukas]

The Throne may have fallen, but the Liberty will be carried on by the Federation of Super Earth

[@xbon1]

stop shilling for games that launched bad and didn't even work to PLAY for weeks, at least throne and liberty WORKED

[@ReiseLukas]

@@xbon1 I only found out about the game this week. It only didn't work because the devs didn't anticipate this amount of positive reception. Their last game had a congruent player count of 10k, Helldivers 2 went over 400k. They had legitimate reasons and they quickly got to work fixing the problem. I just want to have fun, I'm not shilling

[@davidbyars1354]

i've reported you to my local democracy officer. have a good day@@xbon1

[@DreadedLad88]

​@@xbon1lol wtf are you talking about. You're going to absolutely die alone on this hill...

[@DreadedLad88]

​@@ReiseLukasYou can't rationalize with irrational people. It's not worth your time bro.

[@user-ep5ln4rq4i]

instead of focusing on korea or the west they stayed in the middle and displeased both markets.

[@angeloiv4965]

Yep, as it is often the case, if you try to make everyone happy, you end up making no one happy.

[@Eisi0wns]

Guys, it's NCSoft, they never make anyone happy. All their games are crashing down right now. And the success of GW2, they barely have a hand in that, they only publish. Surprise?

[@justcrap3703]

@@Eisi0wns >Guys, it's NCSoft, they never make anyone happy. False. Koreans are pretty ok with NCSoft and that's their primary target market and to the distain of Westerners. Now they tried something different by thinking for the western audience and it resulted on pissing off both audiences. CEO probably now thinks he should have sticked to his guts and not entertain westerner's opinions and now he probably will, more strongly.

[@ecosti]

no they didnt , in korea its an ongoing beta test , its a huge project and they are taking there time.

[@Tsukiiyo7]

@@justcrap3703 I think the suits just tried to be as cheap and greedy as possible when making the game (as usual). As you heard in this video, the first beta of the game was auto-everything with the shittiest combat ever seen in an MMO. They weren't catering to westerners or koreans or literally anyone, and they only got rid of the auto-play and slightly improved the combat because they got such a terrible reaction to it and they realized nobody would play the game at launch if they didn't.

[@JamieHitt]

There's two types of pay-to-win games. Ones where the systems are broken, and ones where they aren't broken yet.

[@stroads.]

📝

[@mattgenaro]

So you mean single-player games and MMOs? I guess that's too harsh

[@egemenozan5641]

​@@mattgenaro *Cough cough* Shadow of War I still like that game though, somehow.

[@Mikesusendsadasdc]

Ever notice these "Game Critic's" Always have ad's for the worst mobile games? Then go on to shiz on a game that even at it's worst is, still better then the game's they put there name behind? IE any mobile game also RAID! I get it, You need sponsors to keep ad rev up when your vid's get demonetized. But when your video's hardly ever get demonetized and you still push scam games with your name backing them.... I just don't get it. He can't say he dosnt get normal sponsor's (based on his views and viewer retention), So why promote this TRASH!

[@maybeitsyou1317]

@@Mikesusendsadasdc In the history of my life a sponsored ad has never gotten me to buy or play anything. They pay more that is why. Not everything is a moral crusade.

[@iller3]

_>> NC Soft_ **immediately turns and walks out the door as if someone just invoked Shadman**

[@sumireravenclaw8034]

I mean you make it seem like NC soft doesn't have a good game though? with guild wars 2 is amazing. The only biggest gripe I have with GW2 is when they brought it to steam you CAN NOT transfer your data. and I have like 50k hours on it. no way will I start over.

[@allthatishere]

​@@sumireravenclaw8034Why would that even matter for you, tho?

[@skrypthobbies]

ABSOLUTELY THIS! City of Heroes? Wildstar?? Anyone???

[@KaisXenaree]

​@@sumireravenclaw8034 GW2 was developped by ArenaNet and not NCSoft who was only the editor. Although NCSoft owns ArenaNet, ArenaNet is completely independant and that is why GW2 is the only game that has an NCSoft tag on it but it's not P2W garbage. ArenaNet is an american company btw

[@JamieR]

GW2 is published by NC. I'd say it might not matter as much any more. Considering it's Amazon who will do our version, it will (hopefully) have way less p2w issues.

[@madafaka3587]

Bots are the bane of every mmo

[@quetz6335]

Any game on PC will be bottable, cheatable, hackable. An MMO on consoles might be the future

[@BlobBlobkins]

@@quetz6335 yeah but nobody makes any hard systems in console games, because average IQ of console users doesn't allow to do that. So our maximum is four button MOO like TESO.

[@Thakkii]

@@quetz6335 most games will be crossplay tbh

[@brunos7995]

F2P MMORPG's have no chance on PC. Thats why its more logical for them to have a 40 Eur/USD price tag than f2p.

[@madafaka3587]

Exactly, so isnt worth for botters invest in that game@@brunos7995

[@bucket936]

TBH. It's not uncommon to leave out a product in an yearly earning report if it hasn't been a full year.

[@DreadedLad88]

Mute point. As he then explained... The investors saw this as a red flag. Also this was also in reference to Q4. Financial fiscal years are often broken down into 4 quarters. But I get it... Cope.

[@Sadows12]

@@DreadedLad88*Moot point.

[@LevelUpMMO]

Or the investors saw the overall decline in revenue as a red flag....@@DreadedLad88. But I get it... Cope.

[@numanumame]

@@Sadows12 Moo point* Mooo

[@MorbidEel]

These are quarterly reports not annual.

[@DCUOArsenic]

So if it failed in KR this might actually be good for as seeing as its literally the opposite with maple/dfo/lost ark over there.

[@DarkepyonX]

If it fails they won't release it elsewhere period , Asia market is massive.

[@leepalmer9558]

Problem is, theres nothing really to do in the game. Open world pvp isnt really that, its bosses basically and whoever had the most people wins and thats it. Its not skill based its zerg based and its boring.

[@FabricateFrog]

doubt it, they went on record saying they're relying on Amazons western release of this game. If it doesn't release in the west it will be bc amazon cancelled on them.@@DarkepyonX

[@Frothmeister]

This is premium copium

[@daethmer7834]

But that also means they won't have a reason to keep updating the game

[@DavidHeich]

Game was released in December 7 2023, let me remind you : Q4 2023 is October 1-December 31. Throne and liberty should be included in Q1 2024 only. Also purchasing market items was locked for players outside KR. spreading news should include this kinds of details. Addressing botting issue, quick reminder that one kr account was about 0.2$-1$, their system using kr IDs failed significantly which does not mean that it will be the same for West release.

[@abdelrahmanrad]

botting is deleted entirely. it's impossible to bot in TL now.

[@mgp994]

Speaking of earning some money...let's hear from today's sponsor! Absolutely 10/10 transition, cracked me up 😆

[@hanscarlsson6583]

I think this seems to be a very good indication that if you want to make your game about competition, you need to make that competition be won by player skill.

[@MrGrimord]

Greed is what cause the fall of those huge AAA mmos.

[@bobbydigital42069]

these game/devs legit deserve it for all this f2p, p2w microtransaction botting autoplay crap

[@allthatishere]

​@@bobbydigital42069they got rid of the autoplay??

[@MoneyMike2002]

Force gaming is the KZbin channel I’ve been searching for my whole life. Ur the GOAT.

[@jtggardner]

Woah! Congrats on the 1 million subs, Force 🤩 - I've been mega swamped and fallen off being up to date with following your output recently, so missed whenever you hit the threshold! So well deserved. Keep up the amazing work and I look forward to when I can be freer again XD

[@user-sx1wy9pf7g]

The Sad Reality of Throne & Liberty will be happy reality in the future

[@johnyeon]

Can anyone give me link to the lost ark in steam, because I could not find one. Force, the Lost Ark is Developed & Published by Smile Gate, not NC soft.

[@shadowstrikegaming4435]

Just saw someone in tiktok live playing it, looked really nice and smooth, but haven't watched this vid yet

[@parkercloud7893]

This seems like a win for western audiences. If the Korean side isn't performing well then they probably want to focus on the western launch and appealing to western gamers. Great.

[@paintspot1509]

It will fail even faster in the west.

[@kayfrenly5460]

No, we will be cutting our losses and shutting down the servers after a soft release in the west.

[@dontpealmyonion]

@@kayfrenly5460 who's "we"? Are you a developer on the team? Are you the CEO?

[@Ishplx]

Not likely. None of the top played games in the west, as far as I know, use such a trash upgrade system like the asian developers love putting into their games. Those all end up failing and falling way down to the bottom of the trash pile.

[@EchelonInteract]

You don't speak for NCSoft, the game isn't going anywhere. Don't spread misinformation.@@kayfrenly5460

[@perryrocks666]

If it was a late launch into the year, they might wait until next years earning report to mention it.

[@ecosti]

its just an unofficial beta , game was never meant for Koreans its for the west :)

[@evolitile]

Shazbot! I was looking forward to this one. I will still check it out. But, i am a solo player, and will see if it at all is worth my time in the end. I'll know by the 200hr mark :P Thanks for sharing the news :)

[@lesguyse]

I've been following this game's development for several years now. It's been very exciting to see these developments. That said, do I gather correctly that TL will be a high octane mega guild game? So far it strikes me that if you're not in large guild you will likely get steamrolled often. I truly hope I am wrong here because joining a large guild and dealing with the leadership politics never sits well with me. I would love to hear anyone's thoughts on this matter.

[@andrewfroedge8227]

Never heard of this game until watching this video, Then I heard "NCsoft". That's all I needed to hear. Having been there for City of Heroes and Aion and watching them destroy both properties. I wouldn't hold out hope. NCsoft went full P2W and gutted the fun right out of them.

[@fenrirlokisson8270]

Lets just cross fingers is not another amazon quick cash grab

[@vaclavmajer5488]

botting was a reason why auto farm system was added it in first place, they learnt from lineage

[@matthewkeating-od6rl]

Great vid

[@fandasubacraig]

If I ever make a game I'm going to ask to sample the opening second of this video for an NPC dialogue

[@MadPutz]

If the game has wider appeal globally and severely tones down the P2W, I wouldn't be surprised that its revenue numbers were lower than the competition in Korea. This is fine as long as it's enough to tide them over and keep the investments going through the global release.

[@Daktyl198]

AFAIK, the P2W is actually severely limited already compared to most MMOs (especially korean ones). The market is powered by premium currency, but there is only like 1 actual "buff" in the store that you can buy for money, and it's not a buff so much as a removal tool for a debuff. That is most likely getting removed in the global version, meaning the only thing people can buy with money are things other users have actually farmed in-game, which gives those users the premium currency directly rather than having it disappear into some void. Basically WoW tokens, if they were the only currency instead of gold.

[@tNuOcCaFrUmS]

@@Daktyl198 as soon as a game has the tiniest bit of p2w it is 100% going to get worse over time. it means the dev/publisher dont have that non p2w philosophy and only tone it down to attract more players. once the game has a healthy player base or even worse, is dying out, those sweet dollar signs appear in their eyes and p2w gets increased. hoping for something else this time is extremely naive. no offense. since its free to play i might even download it and try to get a few hours of fun out of it, but hoping for the next big mmo you can treat as a second life for many years would be dumb.

[@Daktyl198]

@@tNuOcCaFrUmS Almost every online game is P2W these days, at this point it's either deal in degrees of separation, or don't play online at all. That's a valid choice, but I prefer to play games and just not interact with the P2W personally.

[@lilosiddiqi3050]

Ok, but they r a business. Why do u expect to ​ live in cardboardboxes for ur pleasure? Than go on complaining that there isnt enough updates? Nothing new is coming out? Bugs r taking forever to fix? How much of ur time have volunteered to work for free ? Mmorpg community can and will never satisfied most toxic community in the any game genre @tNuOcCaFrUmS

[@eribus8057]

I eagerly await the year when an MMORPG comes out that's so good we don't have to grasp at straws anymore.

[@AnotherRealSmitty]

Great Review/update. Thanks for the content. I am going to play it regardless -- I miss the guild-driven days of Lineage II and this an itch I have to scratch.

[@keselekbakiak]

"you need multiple duplicate of this gear". yup this guy didnt play the game at all. YOu dont need the exact same item to upgrade the trait. you can use lower grade item, to upgrade your trait with 10% chance. and you can use the same grade weapon (not the same exact item) to add new trait

[@Complication84]

WOAH?! A Korean game where you can pay real money to excel in the game?! NO WAY?!

[@abdelrahmanrad]

Except that you can't do that in this game.

[@Cookielayinjack]

I had no idea about this game and with rumors of a guild wars 3 just recently, this is literally the exact image i had mind. I hope they can make this work because I like the art and vibe of this, It's got that bdo style which I feel is closer to gw1 than what gw2 is.

[@AisuRyuuko]

Just noticed you hit over 1million subs! Congrats on the milestone!

[@ThisIsRusko]

Tbh. All the features and mechanics of this game sound great! The focus on guild is a nice change to all these single player mmos lol.

[@zaosin9185]

if you like PvP youll probably like this A LOT

[@yamahkogribbis6212]

Despite any sales numbers, I am excited to play this someday.

[@Fyuture]

Same here. I just chill and wait until the official Western Release and give it a try.

[@harrisonvonmarkner8429]

played in KR and still log in on occassion. its solid in a lot of ways. hoping for a solid global release

[@Whitie666]

cant wait to play this.

[@chadsmith66]

I still cant wait to play it when it releases in the west

[@powerhouse539]

NC Soft not releasing this at the same time killed this for global. Theres no more hype.

[@FabricateFrog]

Korean devs always fumble this by not releasing the global version simultaneously. Its genuinely 1/2 the reason these fail bc they comes to the west 5-10years later when its completely outdated.

[@monobarracho]

@@FabricateFrogeven if they only wait 6 months to release globally, the real issue is that from that point on the global market is X months behind the korean version. and nothing gets changed between patch releases. so the global market (being X months behind korea) already know all the content coming out; already know the min/max class combos; and, sadly, hackers/exploiters already know which cheats/exploits work in that current patch.

[@sirshmoopyfox]

As a lineage 2 player Seeing the auto bots HAHAHA and HAHAHA HAHA War never changes

[@zaosin9185]

LOL YES!!!

[@seraakk]

What headphones is he using?

[@bheathain]

Thanks for posting this. Explains alot and why they havent posted anything on there Twitter since Oct 2023

[@frankythomas1032]

Botting is made worse when a game is free to play. The best MMOs in the space have buy to play + subscriptions or some variation of that. Even though bots still exist in those games, they are significantly less prevalent than F2P games. MMO players have shown over the years that they’re willing to pay as long as the game puts the content out. FF14, WoW, OSRS (specifically member areas), GW2 (specifically in the expansion areas), ESO and BDO are massively successful and all have an underlying similarity: buying into the game or paying monthly creates a barrier of entry for botting accounts. Doesn’t negate them entirely but enough so that it does not destroy their game.

[@criticap-jo9dl]

But ngl, the graphic is god damn good.

[@zeogamingmc]

Runs like shit tho

[@Despond]

Horrible optimization and it's nothing special that of releases from over 5+ years ago.

[@EckoUntitl]

You will be very disappointed when you go to mass pvp/event/world boss,it runs like garbage and its expected when there are so many people on screen,unless you have some 4090 24gb or something crazy,expect to be let down.I have over 300hrs on KR so im not talking out of my ass just so you know.

[@zeogamingmc]

@EckoUntitl I do have a 4090 but even then I can really feel the input lag when turning camera etc, feels really sluggish

[@epicwarding]

Quote from Force gaming on this video at 00:44 seconds "everyones visibile. nobody is phasing" oh yeah ? check 00:52 seconds and replay that few times, invisible players casting spells

[@user-pr8ox3qx6p]

If even a single person in a Guild Bots they should disband the entire Guild. That's a HUGE incentive not to let anyone bot if starting a guild.

[@joeyferrell6102]

Force with the 1440p I love you bro!

[@visebro5580]

I played the game in January and it was very fun I even considered to buy premium version on wester release, or pack or whatever its called. I hope on western release there will not be bots. They are dropping the prices on the market down very much.

[@Keksgame]

Like any korean mmo that makes its way to the west.. it will be plaqued with bots

[@Mega-mo8en]

p2w

[@vorg858]

Thanks for the news bro, i always watched your game news since i discovered you from the bald one😊

[@lolziom001]

Great vid! On the side note tho, the comparison between Lucent and Gold(Lost Ark) is a bit off, since you do earn gold for most in-game activities in Lost Ark, I'd say it is hard to compare both systems since Lost Ark has Royal Crystals(only real money exchange currency) that then can be sold for gold that buys most stuff in-game.

[@Lipitakke]

If it is bad in korea we may have fun here in the west. But they gotta tone down, A LOT, the p2w

[@adamontoremember]

What about Blue Protocol? Still no mention of a global release date

[@rustyking23able]

why hasn't there been a global release yet?

[@Sittinhere]

I don’t think this game was directed for the Korean market, but more geared towards the global market. Also, when does ncsoft fiscal year start and end? It may have ended before the game release in December. Which is partially why it wasn’t mentioned. As of right now, they could release what they have, which is actually pretty good. But the either need to release the game in early Q2 or late Q2. They can’t wait till Q4

[@qpsyche9115]

What global market is receptive of this level of pay to win bullshit outside of korea?

[@paintspot1509]

Total nonsense, the west hates garbage games like this. Why the hell would they choose to lose money by publishing it in a region they don't care about.

[@entririhunter]

@@qpsyche9115 Exactly this. Imagine being a massive gaming company and having no understanding of a global market and that P2W and autoplay is not generally accepted outside of the Asian market.

[@entririhunter]

If it was actually directed for a market outside of Korea they wouldn't have heavy P2W and autoplay.

[@XxxxTxTxxxX]

MMO'S can't be p2w. They just can not. It's simple as that.

[@abdelrahmanrad]

Yes TL is not p2w. Play the game instead of watching delusional KZbinrs

[@JaeCi-sh6fx]

I started BDO a couple of years ago thinking it would be a placeholder MMO while I waited for something better to come out, but uhh idk maybe it’s just the MMO now

[@Pierrcey]

How is BDO?

[@JaeCi-sh6fx]

I think the action combat and graphics/effects are top tier, even among most games out there. However, the progression curve becomes extremely steep relatively quickly. But there’s lots to do and it’s easy to go off on different tangents, and I actually enjoy that aspect. That being said, I think the game is best enjoyed casually when you have a few hours you want to turn your brain off…. But that might just be me considering I have other things going on in my life I often would rather do.

[@Pierrcey]

@@JaeCi-sh6fx It's 1$ on steam right now so I might try, thanks!

[@chadlineage]

@@JaeCi-sh6fxexactly on a casual level all ptw mmos are fine but sometimes we have that competitve side of fun thats when we start to pour money into the game and to the point its gona get addictive and we spend and spend and spend…..

[@beyasal]

@@chadlineage BDO mostly removed that by making open world pvp on regular servers far less of an issue, also most of the pvp content is gear equalized/capped. BDO overall is not a very competitive game, you don't need parties to progress thus you are not competing for party invitations, you can just do everything at your own pace.

[@PS5JustJohn23]

i have been waiting for this still

[@bartheus6709]

Just played a West Closed Beta and to be honest there is no better MMO on the Market now. Game is "Pay to Progress" not "P2W" because of Battle Pass Rewards. Game looks amazing and i cant wait for a Global Launch ! As ex Lineage 2 player i had much fun !

[@slobrat3556]

The game is so grindy, lots of bots, and even more of a grind. After that grind, there's something else to look forward to though! More grinding! I put in 100 hours, it feels like I just spun my wheels and went nowhere.

[@5hr00mtea]

so it's a shit asian knock off of New World, can see why amazon is involved.

[@zaosin9185]

Welll thats Korean MMOS! once you grind to the top, you PvP.....and noone in the USA wants to pvp because theyre all noobs lmfao. too bad ill be playing the hell out of this

[@L0rdskullz]

They moved away from the Korean play model, of course it isn’t doing so hot over there.

[@barneyman1574]

just imagine T&L with business model of gw2 or nw. oh god it will be so good

[@krucked24]

i love your videos so informative I've watched so many of them and seeing how throne and libertiy isn't here yet in us but yet we have Night crows coming in march 12 i think that is going be same concept but with crypto currency it's going be interesting with amazon release if throne and liberty vs night crows where are players going to spend money to make difference they looking for but my guess it's going be on night crows people wanna spend to make more money but i hope you cover night crows and this game together wanna see what happens as things unfold

[@pcpc1289]

Saved by Amazon. Wont touch my hand on Amazon game ever after Lost Ark. i swear any game published by Amazon are just going downhill trash.

[@shadowsage2636]

So lost ark 2 with the bot army, basically.

[@kevadu]

Eh, they're actually very different games. Lost Ark was all about PvE raids, with some pretty brutal progression systems. This is much more about PvP and guild vs guild.

[@matthewsankey817]

I would still play this, it’s nice to have a new mmorpg and grind a little. Most games have taking out the grind element to really make you’re character powerful.

[@darksarod]

The game was doomed the moment they mentioned mobile crossplaform for me. No way a game that was being developed with mobile as a priority would succeed in a PC market thats way more strict in terms of the final product quality, no changes can fix this, just close the game and make a new one with PC as a priority from the start.

[@mocker2325]

Ditch the pay to win and just focus on pay 4 look and pay 4 new classes, western market won, nc soft saved.

[@mrfish229]

Sword of Legends had too many issues but p2w wasn't one. They had cosmetic monetization and people still complained because the outfits (the only thing that would keep the game afloat) were $20. I really think people want everything free.

[@Ravushimo]

@@mrfish229 some ppl for sure, but those would be silenced if you have great gameplay, your cosmetics can be overpriced and your playerbase will throw money at you, ie Path of Exile with armour costing even 60+ (fusion ones where you merge 2 'cheaper' ones).

[@MartinT]

Ah man I was looking forward to playing this when it came to a western release. I do hope it still comes to consoles

[@EchelonInteract]

It is coming out in the west. No one has said otherwise. ffs.

[@inzaniatelcontar4600]

Taking bets on how many months will pass from release until NCSoft start with the p2w stuff.

[@matsu1140]

Lost Ark was ruined by bots and this game will be no different. Hard pass.

[@jaydunna2645]

Never play a Korean online game. How have people not learned this?

[@jordanangell9822]

They should add road stops to MMO's you get checked in some way... and if there is no response, some way to surely know someone is human... you get flagged/disabled or someshit and them some process plays out to potentially ban. (this is not an exact thought, more so a general baseline)

[@Nick-cs4oc]

It’s not too hard to have a check for that with bots, would make it slightly more difficult to make a bot but it wouldn’t solve the problem, unfortunately

[@cjbalata]

thanks for the news not sure im going to try it feel to much like bless :/

[@SquidlyFishBeans]

Listen gamers are tired of these bad live service games...tired of game after game phoning it in year after year

[@alexmuller9407]

I have played this game in Korea and it’s amazing!

[@abdelrahmanrad]

Same.

[@RPV777]

Cant wait for the game 😎

[@DarkGott15]

I wont come even close to that kind of pay yo win

[@billy_cross5580]

That’s the way bless unleashed worked. I never spent any money buying actual currency just spent some money once buying a cosmetic and then the rest of it buying warehouse. Do you know the shared warehouse for all your characters? I bought slots of that, but anything I bought on the auction house I bought with money I got from other players on the auction house, and you buy a lot of stuff I mean that auction house you could buy almost any bit of gear at whatever level any resource at whatever level it was really easy to fire things that you didn’t wanna go grind for you could even put in notices or whatever so that of your rafter came up for sale it would let you know

[@mightylotan]

TBH still excited

[@Ray01360]

Looks like I’m getting Hell Divers 2

[@node5884]

Gonna just be pay to win trash bin it

[@Hostobi]

wow who would have thought launching a game in 1 country would not do well

[@blippedyblop]

Actually still looking forward to this, in a hopefully improved version of Black Desert. The botting is a concern, particularly with how poorly it was handled by Amazon with Lost Ark.

[@LordZedz]

Yeah I don't think my stance of "No Korean online games" is going to change anytime soon.

[@c4nchi]

But the premium currency only allows you to purchase something that another player crafted or got through a drop, its not like theres a specific game made store that sells you the top end gear without player interaction, you are buying gear from other people it's not the same.

[@Plem_xo]

Do you think it could have fallen short in korea because the systems they got rid of were mostly popular there? It looked like it was just going to be a BDO clone tbh but I can see how if that experience is your norm, not having it would lead to a bad launch in a place where the only people playing it are the ones who have experience in/want to see that system that they removed. I think this could be a good sign

[@beyasal]

it had nothing to do with BDO at any point of its development and release.

[@maniacal1870]

It had all the AFK and auto-play because that's what is sells in Korea, where they spend much less time sitting down with games and more time playing them on the move. In the west it's entirely different. Developers need to understand that they can't market a game to the east and west without changing to match the climate and expect to be successful.

[@karolnowosad9765]

That's the only true comment here. They knew that game will be burned after lunch (especially in Korea) because whales there don't like to play - they love autoattack. I'm pretty sure that NC will turn it down in the same moment when they get their invested money back.

[@indang3r610]

I disagree about westerners not wanting auto farm. As a Lineage player, I like that I can go to work, come back, do stuff around the house, spend time with my kid or help the wife while I can put my char do 1 hour session(instance) or 3 hours session or just let him on the map somewhere in a pack of mobs. You can do the fun stuff when you play active, like PvP, Sieges, Olympiads(or pvp arena) and the borring grind stuff can let it auto farm. I think for most people with stuff to do and with a certain age, autofarm is the only way to play an MMO. And as said, not only in the East, but America, Europe, Russia etc I think most who complained about it either have too much free time or just want it removed so they can bot autofarm and have an advantage over others.

[@Delythyx]

@@indang3r610 Just from the top of my head, a proposition, how about we got rid of the stuff that "needs" to be botted? If there is something you want your character to grind automatically while u rather do dishes because its just THAT boring, then it shouldnt be in the game at all...........

[@arttizkappa2588]

afk mechanic thing is for phone gaming general

[@RutakoVon]

​@@indang3r610 if you have content that can be done by a bot, that cannot be called content at all and doesn't need to exist.

[@wick3dbeast495]

It is also to note that there has to be a large number of global players who bought accounts and are on vpns playing in Korea at this time. So as soon as global release happens, Korean servers will tank, but the population influx to global will be made up of preexisting players.

[@mandatorycorpaccount]

well if lost ark is anything to go by, it's safe to say we'll get just as many if not more bots on western release

[@ahmadhammoud4094]

The comeback is coming! I love this game at its current state.

[@xplodrox]

Just a strategy to undervaluate the product before the sell, the game will rock for sure, they will make money without p2w for sure.

[@diredevil1]

Is that really soo unexpected? 😅

[@Oni1975]

I imagine some designer at NCSoft sitting in their office, smug and exasperated, saying "I told you so." lol Hopefully they can get the botting under control. While I understand the reasoning behind it, I usually dislike game systems that more or less validate cheating techniques (like built-in autoplay vs current cheating bots dilemma). Here's hoping they can get it under control, but cheaters never really go away, they just get a new tool.

[@syrrion3]

To be honest, most mmo companies have complete control over botters. Just not in the way the players want. They let botters buy account. Let them play a while. Do a banwave. Cash in on botters buying more account. Wait a bit. Do a banwave. Etc. Etc. It's all about money. Most companies could give a shit about the influence botters have on their game.

[@Delythyx]

@@syrrion3 bro its f2p :| its not 70$ a pop for an account.

[@syrrion3]

@@Delythyx it's cute that you think that bots don't spend anything to speed up the process of making more money.

[@Delythyx]

@@syrrion3 logically thats very counter intuitive as by design its the bots job to acquire exactly the thing u are talking about, but other than that, yes u can be a stupid botter and buy accounts from other botters.

[@imSkrap]

Was hyped for the game until it didn’t release globally and there’s no point looking into more about when there still is no guaranteed launch date… also was hoping the combat would be more BDO in terms of the aoe attacks and larger groups of enemies. Also does the game have area specific unique loot you can find from farming mobs? Or special items from fishing?

[@ShannaraAK]

Sneaking ads at 3:45? Bad/.

[@asabarzeros356]

The bots problem was fixed recently. I played beta test and in Korea and they keep fixing and adding new things. Can't wait for global release.

[@PrinceArtemis]

Im shocked, SHOCKED! Well, not that shocked

[@TheDrov]

Who could have seen it coming?!?!

[@abdelrahmanrad]

Seen what? Best mmo ever released in 20 years. Go play pubg or some shit

[@TheDrov]

@@abdelrahmanrad 💀

[@RutakoVon]

​@@abdelrahmanrad best mmo in the 2000s maybe.

[@kabanetheghoul]

First Descendant Info?

[@ShadowBaneling]

Subscribe to the First Descendant KZbin channel. They have dev log videos and share info whenever they can.

[@JimjimG]

The only way to make this game good is let it die by itself by not playing it. Either the dev will do a big move for us, or they will hide forever and set us free

[@mindstateblunted]

tbh the only way to deal with bots will be giving everyone access to a bot like they had

[@bmontgomery53]

If they don’t stop bots: I won’t play. If there is a hint of P2W: I won’t play. I hope a lot of the gaming community feels the same with the goal being devs adjusting.