It's been a few months since Throne & Liberty released in Korea... and things aren't looking good. Here's what you need to know. Get LUCKCATCHERS2 here: bit.ly/Force_LC Thank you LUCKCATCHERS2 for sponsoring today's video.
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@ReiseLukas5 ай бұрын
The Throne may have fallen, but the Liberty will be carried on by the Federation of Super Earth
@xbon15 ай бұрын
stop shilling for games that launched bad and didn't even work to PLAY for weeks, at least throne and liberty WORKED
@ReiseLukas5 ай бұрын
@@xbon1 I only found out about the game this week. It only didn't work because the devs didn't anticipate this amount of positive reception. Their last game had a congruent player count of 10k, Helldivers 2 went over 400k. They had legitimate reasons and they quickly got to work fixing the problem. I just want to have fun, I'm not shilling
@davidbyars13545 ай бұрын
i've reported you to my local democracy officer. have a good day@@xbon1
@DreadedLad885 ай бұрын
@@xbon1lol wtf are you talking about. You're going to absolutely die alone on this hill...
@DreadedLad885 ай бұрын
@@ReiseLukasYou can't rationalize with irrational people. It's not worth your time bro.
@JamieHitt5 ай бұрын
There's two types of pay-to-win games. Ones where the systems are broken, and ones where they aren't broken yet.
@stroads.5 ай бұрын
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@mattgenaro5 ай бұрын
So you mean single-player games and MMOs? I guess that's too harsh
@egemenozan56415 ай бұрын
@@mattgenaro *Cough cough* Shadow of War I still like that game though, somehow.
@Mikesusendsadasdc5 ай бұрын
Ever notice these "Game Critic's" Always have ad's for the worst mobile games? Then go on to shiz on a game that even at it's worst is, still better then the game's they put there name behind? IE any mobile game also RAID! I get it, You need sponsors to keep ad rev up when your vid's get demonetized. But when your video's hardly ever get demonetized and you still push scam games with your name backing them.... I just don't get it. He can't say he dosnt get normal sponsor's (based on his views and viewer retention), So why promote this TRASH!
@maybeitsyou13174 ай бұрын
@@Mikesusendsadasdc In the history of my life a sponsored ad has never gotten me to buy or play anything. They pay more that is why. Not everything is a moral crusade.
@user-ep5ln4rq4i5 ай бұрын
instead of focusing on korea or the west they stayed in the middle and displeased both markets.
@angeloiv49655 ай бұрын
Yep, as it is often the case, if you try to make everyone happy, you end up making no one happy.
@Eisi0wns5 ай бұрын
Guys, it's NCSoft, they never make anyone happy. All their games are crashing down right now. And the success of GW2, they barely have a hand in that, they only publish. Surprise?
@justcrap37035 ай бұрын
@@Eisi0wns >Guys, it's NCSoft, they never make anyone happy. False. Koreans are pretty ok with NCSoft and that's their primary target market and to the distain of Westerners. Now they tried something different by thinking for the western audience and it resulted on pissing off both audiences. CEO probably now thinks he should have sticked to his guts and not entertain westerner's opinions and now he probably will, more strongly.
@ecosti5 ай бұрын
no they didnt , in korea its an ongoing beta test , its a huge project and they are taking there time.
@Tsukiiyo74 ай бұрын
@@justcrap3703 I think the suits just tried to be as cheap and greedy as possible when making the game (as usual). As you heard in this video, the first beta of the game was auto-everything with the shittiest combat ever seen in an MMO. They weren't catering to westerners or koreans or literally anyone, and they only got rid of the auto-play and slightly improved the combat because they got such a terrible reaction to it and they realized nobody would play the game at launch if they didn't.
@DavidHeich5 ай бұрын
Game was released in December 7 2023, let me remind you : Q4 2023 is October 1-December 31. Throne and liberty should be included in Q1 2024 only. Also purchasing market items was locked for players outside KR. spreading news should include this kinds of details. Addressing botting issue, quick reminder that one kr account was about 0.2$-1$, their system using kr IDs failed significantly which does not mean that it will be the same for West release.
@abdelrahmanrad4 ай бұрын
botting is deleted entirely. it's impossible to bot in TL now.
@MrGrimord5 ай бұрын
Greed is what cause the fall of those huge AAA mmos.
@bobbydigital420695 ай бұрын
these game/devs legit deserve it for all this f2p, p2w microtransaction botting autoplay crap
@allthatishere5 ай бұрын
@@bobbydigital42069they got rid of the autoplay??
@iller35 ай бұрын
_>> NC Soft_ **immediately turns and walks out the door as if someone just invoked Shadman**
@sumireravenclaw80345 ай бұрын
I mean you make it seem like NC soft doesn't have a good game though? with guild wars 2 is amazing. The only biggest gripe I have with GW2 is when they brought it to steam you CAN NOT transfer your data. and I have like 50k hours on it. no way will I start over.
@allthatishere5 ай бұрын
@@sumireravenclaw8034Why would that even matter for you, tho?
@skrypthobbies5 ай бұрын
ABSOLUTELY THIS! City of Heroes? Wildstar?? Anyone???
@KaisXenaree5 ай бұрын
@@sumireravenclaw8034 GW2 was developped by ArenaNet and not NCSoft who was only the editor. Although NCSoft owns ArenaNet, ArenaNet is completely independant and that is why GW2 is the only game that has an NCSoft tag on it but it's not P2W garbage. ArenaNet is an american company btw
@JamieR5 ай бұрын
GW2 is published by NC. I'd say it might not matter as much any more. Considering it's Amazon who will do our version, it will (hopefully) have way less p2w issues.
@madafaka35875 ай бұрын
Bots are the bane of every mmo
@quetz63355 ай бұрын
Any game on PC will be bottable, cheatable, hackable. An MMO on consoles might be the future
@BlobBlobkins5 ай бұрын
@@quetz6335 yeah but nobody makes any hard systems in console games, because average IQ of console users doesn't allow to do that. So our maximum is four button MOO like TESO.
@Thakkii5 ай бұрын
@@quetz6335 most games will be crossplay tbh
@brunos79955 ай бұрын
F2P MMORPG's have no chance on PC. Thats why its more logical for them to have a 40 Eur/USD price tag than f2p.
@madafaka35875 ай бұрын
Exactly, so isnt worth for botters invest in that game@@brunos7995
@parkercloud78935 ай бұрын
This seems like a win for western audiences. If the Korean side isn't performing well then they probably want to focus on the western launch and appealing to western gamers. Great.
@paintspot15095 ай бұрын
It will fail even faster in the west.
@kayfrenly54605 ай бұрын
No, we will be cutting our losses and shutting down the servers after a soft release in the west.
@dontpealmyonion5 ай бұрын
@@kayfrenly5460 who's "we"? Are you a developer on the team? Are you the CEO?
@Ishplx5 ай бұрын
Not likely. None of the top played games in the west, as far as I know, use such a trash upgrade system like the asian developers love putting into their games. Those all end up failing and falling way down to the bottom of the trash pile.
@EchelonInteract5 ай бұрын
You don't speak for NCSoft, the game isn't going anywhere. Don't spread misinformation.@@kayfrenly5460
@mgp9945 ай бұрын
Speaking of earning some money...let's hear from today's sponsor! Absolutely 10/10 transition, cracked me up 😆
@DCUOArsenic5 ай бұрын
So if it failed in KR this might actually be good for as seeing as its literally the opposite with maple/dfo/lost ark over there.
@DarkepyonX5 ай бұрын
If it fails they won't release it elsewhere period , Asia market is massive.
@leepalmer95585 ай бұрын
Problem is, theres nothing really to do in the game. Open world pvp isnt really that, its bosses basically and whoever had the most people wins and thats it. Its not skill based its zerg based and its boring.
@FabricateFrog5 ай бұрын
doubt it, they went on record saying they're relying on Amazons western release of this game. If it doesn't release in the west it will be bc amazon cancelled on them.@@DarkepyonX
@Frothmeister5 ай бұрын
This is premium copium
@daethmer78345 ай бұрын
But that also means they won't have a reason to keep updating the game
@bucket9365 ай бұрын
TBH. It's not uncommon to leave out a product in an yearly earning report if it hasn't been a full year.
@DreadedLad885 ай бұрын
Mute point. As he then explained... The investors saw this as a red flag. Also this was also in reference to Q4. Financial fiscal years are often broken down into 4 quarters. But I get it... Cope.
@Sadows125 ай бұрын
@@DreadedLad88*Moot point.
@LevelUpmmo5 ай бұрын
Or the investors saw the overall decline in revenue as a red flag....@@DreadedLad88. But I get it... Cope.
@numanumame5 ай бұрын
@@Sadows12 Moo point* Mooo
@MorbidEel5 ай бұрын
These are quarterly reports not annual.
@vaclavmajer54884 ай бұрын
botting was a reason why auto farm system was added it in first place, they learnt from lineage
@andrewfroedge82275 ай бұрын
Never heard of this game until watching this video, Then I heard "NCsoft". That's all I needed to hear. Having been there for City of Heroes and Aion and watching them destroy both properties. I wouldn't hold out hope. NCsoft went full P2W and gutted the fun right out of them.
@hanscarlsson65835 ай бұрын
I think this seems to be a very good indication that if you want to make your game about competition, you need to make that competition be won by player skill.
@bartheus67094 ай бұрын
Just played a West Closed Beta and to be honest there is no better MMO on the Market now. Game is "Pay to Progress" not "P2W" because of Battle Pass Rewards. Game looks amazing and i cant wait for a Global Launch ! As ex Lineage 2 player i had much fun !
@frankythomas10325 ай бұрын
Botting is made worse when a game is free to play. The best MMOs in the space have buy to play + subscriptions or some variation of that. Even though bots still exist in those games, they are significantly less prevalent than F2P games. MMO players have shown over the years that they’re willing to pay as long as the game puts the content out. FF14, WoW, OSRS (specifically member areas), GW2 (specifically in the expansion areas), ESO and BDO are massively successful and all have an underlying similarity: buying into the game or paying monthly creates a barrier of entry for botting accounts. Doesn’t negate them entirely but enough so that it does not destroy their game.
@Complication845 ай бұрын
WOAH?! A Korean game where you can pay real money to excel in the game?! NO WAY?!
@abdelrahmanrad4 ай бұрын
Except that you can't do that in this game.
@ThisIsRusko4 ай бұрын
Tbh. All the features and mechanics of this game sound great! The focus on guild is a nice change to all these single player mmos lol.
@Lineage2Iowa4 ай бұрын
if you like PvP youll probably like this A LOT
@user-pr8ox3qx6p3 ай бұрын
If even a single person in a Guild Bots they should disband the entire Guild. That's a HUGE incentive not to let anyone bot if starting a guild.
@eribus80575 ай бұрын
I eagerly await the year when an MMORPG comes out that's so good we don't have to grasp at straws anymore.
@powerhouse5395 ай бұрын
NC Soft not releasing this at the same time killed this for global. Theres no more hype.
@FabricateFrog5 ай бұрын
Korean devs always fumble this by not releasing the global version simultaneously. Its genuinely 1/2 the reason these fail bc they comes to the west 5-10years later when its completely outdated.
@monobarracho5 ай бұрын
@@FabricateFrogeven if they only wait 6 months to release globally, the real issue is that from that point on the global market is X months behind the korean version. and nothing gets changed between patch releases. so the global market (being X months behind korea) already know all the content coming out; already know the min/max class combos; and, sadly, hackers/exploiters already know which cheats/exploits work in that current patch.
@keselekbakiak5 ай бұрын
"you need multiple duplicate of this gear". yup this guy didnt play the game at all. YOu dont need the exact same item to upgrade the trait. you can use lower grade item, to upgrade your trait with 10% chance. and you can use the same grade weapon (not the same exact item) to add new trait
@JimjimG5 ай бұрын
The only way to make this game good is let it die by itself by not playing it. Either the dev will do a big move for us, or they will hide forever and set us free
@shadowstrikegaming44355 ай бұрын
Just saw someone in tiktok live playing it, looked really nice and smooth, but haven't watched this vid yet
@MadPutz5 ай бұрын
If the game has wider appeal globally and severely tones down the P2W, I wouldn't be surprised that its revenue numbers were lower than the competition in Korea. This is fine as long as it's enough to tide them over and keep the investments going through the global release.
@Daktyl1985 ай бұрын
AFAIK, the P2W is actually severely limited already compared to most MMOs (especially korean ones). The market is powered by premium currency, but there is only like 1 actual "buff" in the store that you can buy for money, and it's not a buff so much as a removal tool for a debuff. That is most likely getting removed in the global version, meaning the only thing people can buy with money are things other users have actually farmed in-game, which gives those users the premium currency directly rather than having it disappear into some void. Basically WoW tokens, if they were the only currency instead of gold.
@tNuOcCaFrUmS5 ай бұрын
@@Daktyl198 as soon as a game has the tiniest bit of p2w it is 100% going to get worse over time. it means the dev/publisher dont have that non p2w philosophy and only tone it down to attract more players. once the game has a healthy player base or even worse, is dying out, those sweet dollar signs appear in their eyes and p2w gets increased. hoping for something else this time is extremely naive. no offense. since its free to play i might even download it and try to get a few hours of fun out of it, but hoping for the next big mmo you can treat as a second life for many years would be dumb.
@Daktyl1985 ай бұрын
@@tNuOcCaFrUmS Almost every online game is P2W these days, at this point it's either deal in degrees of separation, or don't play online at all. That's a valid choice, but I prefer to play games and just not interact with the P2W personally.
@lilosiddiqi30505 ай бұрын
Ok, but they r a business. Why do u expect to live in cardboardboxes for ur pleasure? Than go on complaining that there isnt enough updates? Nothing new is coming out? Bugs r taking forever to fix? How much of ur time have volunteered to work for free ? Mmorpg community can and will never satisfied most toxic community in the any game genre @tNuOcCaFrUmS
@wolfhowllionheart9367Ай бұрын
Long response, we expect them to keep most, if not all, of the monetization systems as they are. We hope for small modifications to make them more fair, but not much. How bad is the P2W? Opinions may vary, but it's not as bad as many claim it to be. • The subscription / battlepass let you progress faster, but well within the current expected margins of a F2P MMO with optional sub • You can buy shit from the market with $, but for that someone has to sell it first, so whales will be gated by people actually obtaining and be willing to sell stuff. • In the current KR game state, most BiS gear is obtained via dungeons, and it isn't tradable. And what is tradable, is so rare barely anyone will sell it, and for a lot of money. • Some gear/skill enhancement materials are gated behind gameplay, even if you pay for everything else • Traits are the main P2W pain point. They have a considerable effect in power, and are the main thing people will sell on the marketplace. However, they've been implementing changes to make it easier for F2P/Sub players to get them, and we expect these to be in global from the beginning • At this point in KR, lots of F2P players are fully geared up, traits included, 3 months after they released a new tier of gear, and the trait improvements released last month I think
@fenrirlokisson82705 ай бұрын
Lets just cross fingers is not another amazon quick cash grab
@lesguyse4 ай бұрын
I've been following this game's development for several years now. It's been very exciting to see these developments. That said, do I gather correctly that TL will be a high octane mega guild game? So far it strikes me that if you're not in large guild you will likely get steamrolled often. I truly hope I am wrong here because joining a large guild and dealing with the leadership politics never sits well with me. I would love to hear anyone's thoughts on this matter.
@bmontgomery535 ай бұрын
If they don’t stop bots: I won’t play. If there is a hint of P2W: I won’t play. I hope a lot of the gaming community feels the same with the goal being devs adjusting.
@user-sx1wy9pf7g5 ай бұрын
The Sad Reality of Throne & Liberty will be happy reality in the future
@yamahkogribbis62125 ай бұрын
Despite any sales numbers, I am excited to play this someday.
@Fyuture5 ай бұрын
Same here. I just chill and wait until the official Western Release and give it a try.
@harrisonvonmarkner84295 ай бұрын
played in KR and still log in on occassion. its solid in a lot of ways. hoping for a solid global release
@maniacal18705 ай бұрын
It had all the AFK and auto-play because that's what is sells in Korea, where they spend much less time sitting down with games and more time playing them on the move. In the west it's entirely different. Developers need to understand that they can't market a game to the east and west without changing to match the climate and expect to be successful.
@karolnowosad97655 ай бұрын
That's the only true comment here. They knew that game will be burned after lunch (especially in Korea) because whales there don't like to play - they love autoattack. I'm pretty sure that NC will turn it down in the same moment when they get their invested money back.
@indang3r6105 ай бұрын
I disagree about westerners not wanting auto farm. As a Lineage player, I like that I can go to work, come back, do stuff around the house, spend time with my kid or help the wife while I can put my char do 1 hour session(instance) or 3 hours session or just let him on the map somewhere in a pack of mobs. You can do the fun stuff when you play active, like PvP, Sieges, Olympiads(or pvp arena) and the borring grind stuff can let it auto farm. I think for most people with stuff to do and with a certain age, autofarm is the only way to play an MMO. And as said, not only in the East, but America, Europe, Russia etc I think most who complained about it either have too much free time or just want it removed so they can bot autofarm and have an advantage over others.
@arttizkappa25885 ай бұрын
afk mechanic thing is for phone gaming general
@RutakoVon5 ай бұрын
@@indang3r610 if you have content that can be done by a bot, that cannot be called content at all and doesn't need to exist.
@Oni19755 ай бұрын
I imagine some designer at NCSoft sitting in their office, smug and exasperated, saying "I told you so." lol Hopefully they can get the botting under control. While I understand the reasoning behind it, I usually dislike game systems that more or less validate cheating techniques (like built-in autoplay vs current cheating bots dilemma). Here's hoping they can get it under control, but cheaters never really go away, they just get a new tool.
@syrrion35 ай бұрын
To be honest, most mmo companies have complete control over botters. Just not in the way the players want. They let botters buy account. Let them play a while. Do a banwave. Cash in on botters buying more account. Wait a bit. Do a banwave. Etc. Etc. It's all about money. Most companies could give a shit about the influence botters have on their game.
@syrrion35 ай бұрын
@@Delythyx it's cute that you think that bots don't spend anything to speed up the process of making more money.
@XxxxTxTxxxX5 ай бұрын
MMO'S can't be p2w. They just can not. It's simple as that.
@abdelrahmanrad4 ай бұрын
Yes TL is not p2w. Play the game instead of watching delusional KZbinrs
@lemiserable88615 күн бұрын
How else they gonna be profitable.? Why companies make a game that doesnt make any money.?
@sirshmoopyfox5 ай бұрын
As a lineage 2 player Seeing the auto bots HAHAHA and HAHAHA HAHA War never changes
@Lineage2Iowa4 ай бұрын
LOL YES!!!
@excat5 ай бұрын
DO NOT TOUCH IT. Resist. It's a pile of hot dung that got called out for being hot dung, and they've cooled it off a bit and polished it. At it's core, it's still...dung. I repeat, DON'T FALL FOR IT!!
@sallee1325 ай бұрын
Why not? Its free game, i can make my own judgement without spending money.
@FabricateFrog5 ай бұрын
its free we literally have nothing to lose lmfao relax
@Areez5 ай бұрын
To me it's great news, the biggest reason for the " flop" in Korea is probably because they removed auto farm, which Koreans love. And rest of the world, for the most part, despises. I'm excited for it. Although I'm almost sure they will implement it once the online player base drops.
@fandasubacraig5 ай бұрын
If I ever make a game I'm going to ask to sample the opening second of this video for an NPC dialogue
@perryrocks6665 ай бұрын
If it was a late launch into the year, they might wait until next years earning report to mention it.
@ecosti5 ай бұрын
its just an unofficial beta , game was never meant for Koreans its for the west :)
@arthurfilemon60385 ай бұрын
Why is this sad? Feels like a reason to create content just because... It makes total sense for them to be counting on the Amazon Global Release. It's freaking Global for a reason. L2 was massively popular in Korea, true, but let's not forget it also did very well in Western markets.
@EraiynaАй бұрын
I didn't even know Throne and Liberty was a game until this video right now.
@Lipitakke5 ай бұрын
If it is bad in korea we may have fun here in the west. But they gotta tone down, A LOT, the p2w
@pcpc12895 ай бұрын
Saved by Amazon. Wont touch my hand on Amazon game ever after Lost Ark. i swear any game published by Amazon are just going downhill trash.
@vincefu72895 ай бұрын
Korean game companies usually release their games in Korea first, and only after a year, they release them worldwide. This can be annoying for players in other countries. People wonder why everyone can't get the game at the same time. This way, players from other countries end up playing the game later than Korean players. And it's not clear why they do this, but it often makes players from other countries unhappy. This delayed release might also affect how well the game does outside of South Korea.
@e.ydrien5 ай бұрын
For me the game died before release. They sold us in those teasers back then a good competitor for Black Desert. On those teasers you could see what it looked like some good action combat, but turned out to not be action combat, and also one of the worst combats ever.
@criticap-jo9dl5 ай бұрын
But ngl, the graphic is god damn good.
@zeogamingmc5 ай бұрын
Runs like shit tho
@Despond5 ай бұрын
Horrible optimization and it's nothing special that of releases from over 5+ years ago.
@EckoUntitl5 ай бұрын
You will be very disappointed when you go to mass pvp/event/world boss,it runs like garbage and its expected when there are so many people on screen,unless you have some 4090 24gb or something crazy,expect to be let down.I have over 300hrs on KR so im not talking out of my ass just so you know.
@zeogamingmc5 ай бұрын
@EckoUntitl I do have a 4090 but even then I can really feel the input lag when turning camera etc, feels really sluggish
@visebro55805 ай бұрын
I played the game in January and it was very fun I even considered to buy premium version on wester release, or pack or whatever its called. I hope on western release there will not be bots. They are dropping the prices on the market down very much.
@Keksgame5 ай бұрын
Like any korean mmo that makes its way to the west.. it will be plaqued with bots
@Mega-mo8en4 ай бұрын
p2w
@asabarzeros3564 ай бұрын
The bots problem was fixed recently. I played beta test and in Korea and they keep fixing and adding new things. Can't wait for global release.
@SpiritOfTheHeretic5 ай бұрын
This looks WAY better than what I saw 6 months ago. I didn't even realized it was free to play and I'd honestly rather it be buy to play instead of F2P and pay to win. The botting accounts can be banned pretty easily.
@slobrat35565 ай бұрын
The game is so grindy, lots of bots, and even more of a grind. After that grind, there's something else to look forward to though! More grinding! I put in 100 hours, it feels like I just spun my wheels and went nowhere.
@5hr00mtea5 ай бұрын
so it's a shit asian knock off of New World, can see why amazon is involved.
@Lineage2Iowa4 ай бұрын
Welll thats Korean MMOS! once you grind to the top, you PvP.....and noone in the USA wants to pvp because theyre all noobs lmfao. too bad ill be playing the hell out of this
@darksarod5 ай бұрын
The game was doomed the moment they mentioned mobile crossplaform for me. No way a game that was being developed with mobile as a priority would succeed in a PC market thats way more strict in terms of the final product quality, no changes can fix this, just close the game and make a new one with PC as a priority from the start.
@blippedyblop4 ай бұрын
Actually still looking forward to this, in a hopefully improved version of Black Desert. The botting is a concern, particularly with how poorly it was handled by Amazon with Lost Ark.
@Wayleran5 ай бұрын
Ironically shareholders are not INVESTED in the long term health of gaming and gaming studios. They want the fastest return on investment because if and, through their own interference, WHEN the games and studios fail they'll just pull out their money and move on. This is THE main issue with these huge studios. Large AAA studios are PRIMARILY focused on how to make money first and foremost. The games are an afterthought. They're so beholden to their shareholders it spoils all other elements of design. Most devs want to produce fun and engaging games to make players happy but the tendency to "play it safe" and implement systems that are solely built to maximize profits like battlepasses and in-game shops stifle any sense of passion and creativity from the ground-level devs.
@jtggardner5 ай бұрын
Woah! Congrats on the 1 million subs, Force 🤩 - I've been mega swamped and fallen off being up to date with following your output recently, so missed whenever you hit the threshold! So well deserved. Keep up the amazing work and I look forward to when I can be freer again XD
@mocker23255 ай бұрын
Ditch the pay to win and just focus on pay 4 look and pay 4 new classes, western market won, nc soft saved.
@mrfish2295 ай бұрын
Sword of Legends had too many issues but p2w wasn't one. They had cosmetic monetization and people still complained because the outfits (the only thing that would keep the game afloat) were $20. I really think people want everything free.
@Ravushimo5 ай бұрын
@@mrfish229 some ppl for sure, but those would be silenced if you have great gameplay, your cosmetics can be overpriced and your playerbase will throw money at you, ie Path of Exile with armour costing even 60+ (fusion ones where you merge 2 'cheaper' ones).
@greybeard69065 ай бұрын
Shocker the micro-transaction companies are starting to feel pain. I love it. Games are made for fun and for the players not the investors. Then you make money not the other way around.
@MrNarfied5 ай бұрын
People need to understand that if a game value is TIME. Every MMO progression value is and will always be PAY TO WIN. It is no different than subscription fees, expansion gates since the value of those will always be time sensitive.
@L0rdskullz5 ай бұрын
They moved away from the Korean play model, of course it isn’t doing so hot over there.
@joeyferrell61025 ай бұрын
Force with the 1440p I love you bro!
@Arbszy5 ай бұрын
NCSoft thinks it would be a great idea to launch Throne & Liberty in between two of the west's most popular MMOs when their also dropping expansions. Rip Throne & Liberty, we hardly knew you.
@alexvanluit32315 ай бұрын
I was on the fence about trying out this game when it releases in the US, but this video put a hard stop to that, 0% chance I play this game now. All these issues you mentioned, along with the fact that it's a primarily PvP game, nah this game ain't for me, thanks for cutting through the bullshit and giving an honest opinion of the game. The search for a replacement for New World continues.
@bobbydigital420695 ай бұрын
facts
@pwehDuraSaFace5 ай бұрын
Dude ive moved on from mmos. Its just giving me headaches when i just farm aimlessly for nothing. Maybe bcoz im getting older at 37. Mostly play coopgames like squad or helldivers2... Maybe you should consider that? Last epoch came out me and my son are also enjoying it
@shadowsage26365 ай бұрын
So lost ark 2 with the bot army, basically.
@kevadu5 ай бұрын
Eh, they're actually very different games. Lost Ark was all about PvE raids, with some pretty brutal progression systems. This is much more about PvP and guild vs guild.
@jaydunna26455 ай бұрын
Never play a Korean online game. How have people not learned this?
@node58845 ай бұрын
Gonna just be pay to win trash bin it
@chaoticcreations11845 ай бұрын
I'm surprised new MMOs are still being developed honestly. What made them fun and engaging was the novelty of online play and community. Given online multiplayer is a norm across most games, what does the traditional MMO bring to the table? ... sub par combat and narrative, as well as usually aggressive monetization. I loved MMOs years ago, but I just don't see a new one being successful without a substantial degree of innovation.
@adamontoremember5 ай бұрын
What about Blue Protocol? Still no mention of a global release date
@matsu11405 ай бұрын
Lost Ark was ruined by bots and this game will be no different. Hard pass.
@sian1of25 ай бұрын
Make it buy to play. So many games sell so well at $20-30. This reduces the number of bots. With active GMs patrolling to ban bots, there will be even lesser bots.
@exo-skeet29335 ай бұрын
That's because 30-40% of its population are European players or players not from the region that won't spend money as they will be starting over on global release.. so numbers won't look great currently 😕
@JaeCi-sh6fx5 ай бұрын
I started BDO a couple of years ago thinking it would be a placeholder MMO while I waited for something better to come out, but uhh idk maybe it’s just the MMO now
@Pierrcey5 ай бұрын
How is BDO?
@JaeCi-sh6fx5 ай бұрын
I think the action combat and graphics/effects are top tier, even among most games out there. However, the progression curve becomes extremely steep relatively quickly. But there’s lots to do and it’s easy to go off on different tangents, and I actually enjoy that aspect. That being said, I think the game is best enjoyed casually when you have a few hours you want to turn your brain off…. But that might just be me considering I have other things going on in my life I often would rather do.
@Pierrcey5 ай бұрын
@@JaeCi-sh6fx It's 1$ on steam right now so I might try, thanks!
@chadlineage5 ай бұрын
@@JaeCi-sh6fxexactly on a casual level all ptw mmos are fine but sometimes we have that competitve side of fun thats when we start to pour money into the game and to the point its gona get addictive and we spend and spend and spend…..
@beyasal5 ай бұрын
@@chadlineage BDO mostly removed that by making open world pvp on regular servers far less of an issue, also most of the pvp content is gear equalized/capped. BDO overall is not a very competitive game, you don't need parties to progress thus you are not competing for party invitations, you can just do everything at your own pace.
@SquidlyFishBeans5 ай бұрын
Listen gamers are tired of these bad live service games...tired of game after game phoning it in year after year
@Cookielayinjack4 ай бұрын
I had no idea about this game and with rumors of a guild wars 3 just recently, this is literally the exact image i had mind. I hope they can make this work because I like the art and vibe of this, It's got that bdo style which I feel is closer to gw1 than what gw2 is.
@ironskater1215 ай бұрын
I have a lot of hours on TNL, what kills the game is 0 end game content besides dailies, you get your 3 daily dungeons, and 10 contracts. Every other activity gives you laughable rewards ( that are also time gates) to progress your character. They force a swipe.
@fightingcourage4 ай бұрын
How exactly do they get people to spend without pissing people off in a free game? I’ve never played one where it was free and people weren’t complaining. They don’t want to pay a subscription fee but don’t want people who spend money to have an advantage. Makes no sense.
@AnotherRealSmitty5 ай бұрын
Great Review/update. Thanks for the content. I am going to play it regardless -- I miss the guild-driven days of Lineage II and this an itch I have to scratch.
@Mortalpill5 ай бұрын
the fact that the game lost korea and the devs are still working on it means its gonna be a good global game koreans care too much about spending money and auto play
@qpsyche91155 ай бұрын
No, it'll turn exactly as how Force described. Great initial numbers, quick wave of criticisms, followed by sharp decline in player count
@CL-jq1xs5 ай бұрын
@@qpsyche9115 yep just like most game who get great initial numbers
@liammonge47905 ай бұрын
Pay to win can be done right, Warframe is a great example. Skipping hundreds of hours with $, but the game is incredible, even for a f2p player. Fingers crossed this game doesn't suck
@Dwarven_Steel_Games5 ай бұрын
I wouldn't underestimate the game being released through Amazon. New World actually did pretty decent and is still doing well. T&L may be okay in the end.
@IndiePatron5 ай бұрын
If it's not making money in Korea it's gonna make less here with those P2W mechanics
@captnclutch57685 ай бұрын
That's probably why they are talking about relying on Amazon's global release to save the game. Amazon has shown a history of toning down pay to win and making games more approachable to the western audience. That's probably also why it's taking so long to come out. Amazon really has their work cut out for them, trying to get a game that isn't making money in Korea to make money in places that hate P2W
@MoneyMike20025 ай бұрын
Force gaming is the KZbin channel I’ve been searching for my whole life. Ur the GOAT.
@Roachers5 ай бұрын
Im so glad these games exist, they draw the weirdos to them and then they stay away from good games. Keeps communities in real games much better.
@chadsmith665 ай бұрын
I still cant wait to play it when it releases in the west
@mattgenaro5 ай бұрын
Sad but very fixable. Don't kill the hype over it. Devs just need a in-depth look on game security and build up a strong anti-bot. Plus, ban all the suspect accounts with no warn.
@PurpScurpington4 ай бұрын
If guilds control the gameplay-only world boss BiS drops, then it follows that the most successful guilds are the ones who most rapidly recruit the biggest swipers who will dominate with the best buyable gear. Amazing lol
@epicwarding5 ай бұрын
Quote from Force gaming on this video at 00:44 seconds "everyones visibile. nobody is phasing" oh yeah ? check 00:52 seconds and replay that few times, invisible players casting spells
@snakuvudu5 ай бұрын
It's okay if this one sucks. We still got Dragon's Dogma 2!
@RafaelW85 ай бұрын
What if DD2 sucks too?
@snakuvudu5 ай бұрын
@RafaelW8 as you probably know, especially lately, that is real possibility. It would destroy me.
@RutakoVon5 ай бұрын
@@RafaelW8 low possibility
@RafaelW85 ай бұрын
@@RutakoVon that's what i said about cyberpunk and cities skylines 2
@RutakoVon5 ай бұрын
@@RafaelW8 always had a feeling cyberpunk wouldn't fully deliver because its promises were too ambitious and even before launch city skylines 2 had way too much detail on individual assets from which I presumed it was going to be optimization hell. I don't really see any bad premonitions for dd2.
@Sittinhere5 ай бұрын
I don’t think this game was directed for the Korean market, but more geared towards the global market. Also, when does ncsoft fiscal year start and end? It may have ended before the game release in December. Which is partially why it wasn’t mentioned. As of right now, they could release what they have, which is actually pretty good. But the either need to release the game in early Q2 or late Q2. They can’t wait till Q4
@qpsyche91155 ай бұрын
What global market is receptive of this level of pay to win bullshit outside of korea?
@paintspot15095 ай бұрын
Total nonsense, the west hates garbage games like this. Why the hell would they choose to lose money by publishing it in a region they don't care about.
@entririhunter5 ай бұрын
@@qpsyche9115 Exactly this. Imagine being a massive gaming company and having no understanding of a global market and that P2W and autoplay is not generally accepted outside of the Asian market.
@entririhunter5 ай бұрын
If it was actually directed for a market outside of Korea they wouldn't have heavy P2W and autoplay.
@xplodrox5 ай бұрын
Just a strategy to undervaluate the product before the sell, the game will rock for sure, they will make money without p2w for sure.
@haywood42995 ай бұрын
This game was one of those "just ship what we have and get what we can out of it" situations. NCsoft is struggling and doesn't have the capital to invest in endless development.
@BlGASH5 ай бұрын
They been working on this game since like 2012
@sucurukuta5 ай бұрын
I’m disagree. All the MMORPG in market have p2w monetization (including WoW, the most successful game release in this gender). This game is amazing, they just need to figure out how to kill bots.
@abdelrahmanrad5 ай бұрын
This is the best mmo in 20 years like it or not the devs did god's work and the players are the ones to blame this time purely.
@baska-4 ай бұрын
P2W isn't on a gray scale, a game either is P2W (real money = in-game advantages) or not. Throne and Liberty, unfortunately, is P2W. If it wasn't P2W, it would actually be a really good game.
@Eisi0wns5 ай бұрын
NCSoft game... what a surprise. Overrun by bots, disgusting pay to win, not giving a fuck about their players. And nothing of value was lost. Also your estimation is spot on, however if it keeps going like that it might also be dead on arrival.
@ItsEban5 ай бұрын
Throne & Liberty has not been in the top 10 of games in PC bangs since the beginning of 2024 and it was #25 last week. That being said Korea is a "strange" market, way more different than the west. MapleStory is still in the top 10 and DFonline is usually in that same top10, can't say they are popular in western markets. They still play the original AION and Lineage that are usually ranked closed of the top 10.
@johnyeon5 ай бұрын
Can anyone give me link to the lost ark in steam, because I could not find one. Force, the Lost Ark is Developed & Published by Smile Gate, not NC soft.
@BryanTheFury4 ай бұрын
You are late with the news. They have implemented a new anti bot system that have completely wiped out the bots in the game. That has been reported by people that ACTUALLY PLAY THERE.
@AllEy3s0nMe5 ай бұрын
It's not a matter of IF NCsoft will kill this game, its a matter of WHEN. Which is why I wouldn't touch it if it was the last MMO game on Earth.
@rplay86254 ай бұрын
Built in autobot is actually a great feature in MMO. We know how tedious the daily quests are, having the option to autobot through tedious dailies while chilling with youtube or world/guild chat is one of the best thing I can do in MMO. Besides, forcing players to hand play 1-2 hours through tedious dailies makes the game die faster than ever.
@alexmuller94075 ай бұрын
I have played this game in Korea and it’s amazing!
@abdelrahmanrad5 ай бұрын
Same.
@LogoUtpLeaSe5 ай бұрын
In the 16-minute video, you explained the active mmos currently on the market. It's all the same. There's nothing new. There is nothing to prevent this game from being played. I think it's worth a try.
@Yor_gamma_ix_bae5 ай бұрын
It’s strange to me how modern content creators don’t know the history of pvpers in MMORPGs. We are the botters/account sellers&buyers/exploiters/gold buyer&sellers/some code injectors in every pvp mmorpg. Even reckful botted as anti parazi on the darktide server he used to play. He was in my guild and botting was ubiquitous, the game devs gave up and only banned for unattended botting at some point cuz everyone kept doing it. We spent hours protecting our bots farming spots which was tons of fun. Fighting over dungeons for our guilds bots was pretty much the most fun I’ve had in an mmorpg. Every pvp mmorpg will be a cess pit of dupers and anything to get ahead.
@Yor_gamma_ix_bae5 ай бұрын
Banning accounts never stops it because people with more money will just buy more accounts. It’s always been a secret pay to win system ahaha. It takes time for them to find bots and even if they are banning thousands they will miss sophisticated botters who can make unique routes and use clientless products and stay away from 24 hour playtimes.