The Sad Truth About Chasing Status - David Pinsof

[@ChrisWillx]

Hello you beauties. Access all episodes 10 hours earlier than KZbin by Subscribing on Spotify - spoti.fi/2LSimPn or Apple Podcasts - apple.co/2MNqIgw. Here’s the timestamps: 00:00 Why is Everything Bullshit? 06:40 How to Properly Absorb Evolutionary Psychology 11:07 The Randomness of Status Games 15:21 How Social Media Has Impacted Status Games 18:00 How to Gain Status While Hiding Status Signalling 25:44 What If I’m Just Being Altruistic? 30:11 What People Misunderstand About Our Desires 35:14 Our Need to Out-Compete Our Elders 43:08 Do People Really Want to Be Happy? 52:06 Finding a Life Purpose Beyond Status-Seeking 1:01:59 Why We Find Certain Things Interesting 1:12:09 Where to Find David

[@Fanaro]

Much more insightful than I expected. This guy really does have some nuggets of wisdom. Hope he gets back at some point.

[@anthonypillarella]

I'm a minute in and the self-flattering story problem is a fantastic point. It's also a BIG part of why psychedelics can be so effective. It's hard to lie to yourself in defense of your ego when it's dead in the corner lol.

[@akpost8780]

It’s sleeping. It reawakens when sober. And you need an ego. Try living without an ego for a few years. You won’t like what happens.

[@anthonypillarella]

@@akpost8780 Obviously. The term is "ego death," and that was a play on words.

[@DevSharma-yg6jk]

ego is just like gun you'll need it sometimes you're dumb if you're using it everywhere or anywhere

[@agentm83]

I'm at the point in my life where I've realized that happiness is usually a fleeting experience. What I go for now is contentment, and minimizing stress where possible.

[@KnottyCeltic]

I feel happy most every day. I think it's in part, the manner in which you wake up every day.

[@debslagel1132]

I’m agreeable the the second thing that you commented really but I don’t think I think happiness is fleeting. I might even disagree esp the part about if your kid makes you angry, I don’t normally go onto other things that make me angry, I think ah but this about him or her is wonderful. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@thatswhatamsaying9750]

Status is a welcomed by product for many but not the main goal. Self esteem seeking is far more prevalent than status seeking but often confused with each other. Based on your culture various forms of status can be used to attain that self esteem through said status validation. Everyone is trying to achieve their own full potential and the more people and cultures you experience you will understand that the majority of people are not this crude outward status seeking. They are self esteem seeking and full potential seeking and position and status is an overused tool in the attempt to achieve these

[@MrJREllman]

self-esteem and status are the same

[@garypietruszewski2141]

@@MrJREllmanI disagree. If that would be the case, certain psychological issues and even issues concerning contentment/happiness would be near non-existent in high-status people, which is not the case at all. What I believe is a more accurate statement, would be that self-esteem contains one’s own *perceived* status. However, this is only part of the multi-faceted thing we call self-esteem.

[@MrJREllman]

@@garypietruszewski2141 You're probably not far wrong. But it's so complicated, possibly not possible to fully understand it. But I think they're bound together, very intertwined.

[@rith971]

You miss the point. What causes one to feel compelled to seek self-esteem in the first place. That compulsion to seek self-esteem is great, but the decision made by one's subconscious mind to feel that feeling in the first place is motivated by social status because there are only three motivators that were selected for by evolution: personal survival, social status, and progeny.

[@0xszander0]

Super interesting. Because status is so prone to collapsing. People, especially nowadays with social media & status associated with that, will stand their ground on opinions that are (provably) wrong.

[@SirBoden]

Don’t seek happiness, seek contentment. ☯️

[@jaykonkel6135]

We aren’t wired to be competitive and hide that from ourselves and others. We are wired to be competitive in “fair” ways AND cooperative.

[@a.g.5396]

Because it is in our own best interest.

[@a.g.5396]

@8thaccount321 Yes and that exactly is in our own best interest. Socializing helps to survive. But we are also competitive (this also helps to survive) and for the sake of staying close with each other we sometimes tend to hide this because it may cause tension.

[@chadclement6148]

This goes along well with Will Storrs the status game. Pinsof provides a great insight about why desires are relative. The idea that it’s ultimately about fitness. That we are competitive because it maximizes our potential to pass on our genes. That we aren’t ancestors of losers, but winners.

[@LordBalmung1]

01:03:51 - "tools are a very small part of what occupies your mind", and then he goes on to say you spend most of your brain power thinking about social conflicts. I don't know about anyone else, but I can say for myself, my mind spends any spare minute thinking about objects, tools, work, and tasks. Unless someone is in front of me, I'm not usually dwelling on how they feel about me.

[@JonSnow-YThandle]

😂 I noticed that too

[@conorkoesterman6769]

Interesting, lifestyle and personal persuasions have to play an impact. That said, paramedics have to train themselves to focus on the task at hand rather than the person who is in pain in front of them. Closer to home and more day-to-day, if we are upset its very hard to be creative,productive, or clear the event from our mind. So we can us focus as an inverse measure of how upset we are/ how much energy our brain is putting in to something. I love things/tools as well, but even when they don’t do what I want I don’t get anywhere near as upset in hours of working with them as I can at a family member who is annoying for 10 seconds or my boss if I feel he has slighted me. TLDR: (tools) stuff that doesn’t work gets me interested and I move on; dysfunctional relationships (people) capture my attention. People have a much larger impact on my disposition than things do and that could be just my persuasion.

[@BaiMengLing]

"my mind spends any spare minute thinking about objects, tools, work, and tasks. " I do too, I have Asperger and it was what my psychiatrists insisted upon my diagnose, normal people think of people and relationships (fancy word to avoid talking about status)

[@TheZGALa]

Great conversation guys. Thank you both!

[@destinyglitches9519]

When he says we are descendants from the most competitive ancestors, what about collaborative success? We are social creatures and those who were not collaborative were left to starve

[@Leah_LM]

Chris, you provide us with great guests and content. How has your research been reflected in your journey? What experiences have you had that has incorporated these learnings for you? It would be nice to see a more personal side to who you are and why you chose this path. 🙏

[@MindfulAttraction2.0]

An example is if you're somebody who's Machiavellian, write a book against machiavellianism. Appear like you don't like to play the game and then you will have all the amplitude to play the game at its highest level. I think that's what he means

[@melaniemeans3240]

Hey father Alex I follow you .!!!! What are you doing here * evil laugh *

[@Christian-sm9he]

You mean like Frederik the Great?

[@hermitthefrog8951]

I think "the pursuit of happiness" is really the creation of circumstances for happiness to occur. So many people make themselves miserable thinking that happiness is some sort of mechanistic deterministic outcome that can be made to happen and failing terribly because it can't.

[@imbra]

I don't know if this is mentioned in the video (I am only 10 minutes in), but there is an amazing book by Kevin Simler and Robin Hanson called "Elephant in the Brain" which goes into detail about this topic (self flattering and hidden motives for our motivations). It changed the way I see the world and myself. Life-changer. There is also a YT lecture on the Learn Liberty channel by Robin Hanson which summarizes the book very well.

[@ianwynne764]

Hello Chris: Don't worry, I'm not going anywhere else. I really like what you are doing. Have a wonderful day.

[@anFy81]

Now that I am 42 y.o. I just realized that I expect experts to have (at least some) grey hair. Sounds dumb, but this was my first thought as soon as I saw this guest. Of course I'll overcome this and listen.. It's just an Impulse that surprised me so I found it was worth mentioning.

[@Celadrin]

Honor that noticing- although maybe usual that is the case particularly when it comes to things that feel like wisdom- it is noteworthy when something so goes against your heuristic that's been largely reliable- that is also to a degree why it feels appreciable when a person alludes to a deep resonance within us that is unusual for their superficiality would betray'- often same thing that sparks the particular motivation to mentor.

[@vagrantknights]

That's a fascinating self-observation. I don't doubt a lot of people, probably myself too, have this unconscious bias. Now that healthspan science is growing massively with great research studies and doctors to back it up, I don't doubt you'll have fewer and fewer experts with grey hair in the future!

[@agentm83]

when I was in university, I noticed how many Professors made an effort to dress up in a way that made them appear to be how people expected Professors to look. Stuff like that makes one realize the superficial status games we all play at least to some extent.

[@anFy81]

thank you for the pleasant replies. It's Interesting how such things tend to change with age. I fully agree with your feedback, I guess it's positive that we all reflect and try do identify these elments for what they are within our perception.

[@AdamGilbert]

Compelling! I do however expect that, when experiencing happiness, that it would be best not to state openly: “I’m experiencing prediction error” - when in the company of someone to which you are sharing happiness 😅

[@rith971]

The perk is that our expectations seems to be a lot more in control than our feelings - so we can deliberately expect less from things and be pleasantly surprised when things go well over and over again.

[@debbielondon1809]

Great interview. Prompted an IDEA: In my experience truly AUTISTIC individuals are not as caught up with the business of status; they are often ruled by curiosity and the "truth" or "facts" of things - to the point of obsession. And they find the games people play confusing.

[@BaiMengLing]

not confusing: BORING ! And people who play for status hate it when someone with high IQ and low status puts them down :) that's what NT call arrogance :D

[@skylineuk1485]

Fantastic conversation. One of the best “honest to God” truths on status and signalling, fitting in perfect with what we currently know from psychology.

[@moeyyad]

My theory on meaning is that it's an emotional reward (similar to happiness) that occurs whenever we perceive ourselves doing something hard in the service of pursuing our highest values. Evolutionary, this might make sense since it allows us to sacrifice our time/energy/resources today for the promise of a better tomorrow. So with that being said, if meaning requires undergoing difficulty or struggle, it would be exhausting to try to optimize life for maximal meaning because then you would feel like you're struggling constantly (even if the struggle does feel good). I think that would work for people with David Goggins-esque personalities, but I think for most people, occasional meaning (just like with occasional happiness) is the ideal instead of the be-all, end-all. I totally agree with your take on inner peace being essential to a life well lived.

[@HeadRecieverAtHeadOffice]

Everything is not about status, there are people that can enjoy a quiet and peaceful life

[@BaiMengLing]

yes autistic people do not give a fuck about status, and that is why we usually do not get along very well with the normal status seeking people. Even that speaker who thinks everything is about status has pretty much bored me to death because his status seeking game has lead him to forget that we exist AND we are actually pretty normal in the IT world *sigh* And his definition of happiness is so off that I think he is a pretty average psychopath with no clue what real emotions feel like. Hence he makes no sense to me when he talks, but I am sure he is skilled enough to lure average NTs just not enough for me.

[@HeadRecieverAtHeadOffice]

@@BaiMengLing yeah the psychopath thing seems pretty likely, the guy doesn't seem to consider love or anything that's not completely selfish

[@VastChoirs]

All human action is in service of status, feeding, and mating.

[@DoctorPrepperMD]

And raising our children

[@VastChoirs]

which is indirectly mating and trying to pass on our genes@@DoctorPrepperMD

[@w1cked001]

This content really made me think of a fascinating book called The Elephant in the Brain

[@effexon]

~@16:00 thats interesting viewpoint that brains are "imprecise" ie memory is not accurate for a reason which is benefit in that small context, inviting for discussion, negotiation. When it is set in stone by computers, these aspects vanish.

[@MrKidOcelot]

Happiness is fleeting and would cease to be noticed if it was constant.....we want contentment to be more constantly present!

[@sawtoothbygeorge]

The truth is we are sort of "evil" it is in our genes.

[@wojakwoes3970]

That “evil” literally kept us alive for thousands of years. It’s intrinsic to being human.

[@sawtoothbygeorge]

@@wojakwoes3970So you call it living, why are there so many mentally ill, just living?

[@wojakwoes3970]

@@sawtoothbygeorge the answer is literally in the question. Genetics of nice people caring for those who have a bad hand. Most everything (NOT EVERYTHING), can be explained through genetics.

[@sawtoothbygeorge]

@@wojakwoes3970 So much depends on definition of words.

[@wojakwoes3970]

@@sawtoothbygeorge true. Apply that logic to your initial comment. Evil is totally subjective and open to interpretation.

[@Celadrin]

The issue with knowing the game of status seeking in modernity with abstracts is that is divorced from sincerity and the older notion of identity formation involving inhabited sincerity such as a job or doing a specific thing. Check out notions of profilicity and the new world in relation to sincerity'- it explains a lot between the ways we live in windows of representation made to describe sincerity that is made to look like authenticity.

[@JonSnow-YThandle]

So ... following Mr Pinsof's logic he himself came up with his ideas in order to gain status by appearing unconventional and a bit outrageous and not for the sake of knowledge. Him acting all blazé and humble is just to cloak even from himself his craving for status. I scratch my head and ask myself why he says everything is bullshit. On the other hand he might be right. It crossed my mind while listening to this episode 😂 Of course I write this just for status's sake... And it doesn't work because I know it. Well. I will admit that I found this episode rather less useful. Some claims seemed rather coming out of the blue. The picture he is painting there seems a bit simple. And when it comes to answers to complex problems, simple answer are most of the time inadequate. And on occasions they are just bullshit. ;)

[@CONEHEADDK]

Fake it till you make it. Never admit anything - seems to be the messages..

[@CONEHEADDK]

The "out of the blue" makes you wonder, if it's true or male cow poop.. Like most modern art - male cow poop..

[@brek5]

Yeah, I started out interested in what he had to say, but by the end, it's obviously mostly a way for him to somehow cover up his shit worldview and outlook on life. The arguments are falacious and self-serving as well (as I've pointed out above). He's found himself sort of a Betty Crocker set-it-and-forget it metaphysical model so he never has to think about anything ever again. Just run it through the evolutionary psych lens and you're thinking done. He's a load of bullshit.

[@bazx6466]

Well, he obviously studies this as part of whatever status-attaining arbitrary and random reason he does so; he has an interest in psychology and it serves his life in beneficial ways. The first 15 seconds of this generally are bullshit or less candid than in reality to make his point; "We don't really know the true reasons for why we do things."; yes, we aren't omniscient to account for the numerous factors and impulses, but we can have a best guess and say that any evolution of the social paradoxical reasoning for doing things is driven by our baser instincts and how we our influenced in a society. We function to survive, to live; whatever that entails...we can rationalize anything to be a worthwhile 'existentialist' reason for living, regardless of whether it has any objective, or ideologically contradictory basis. You said "And when it comes to answers to complex problems, simple answer are most of the time inadequate"- ESPECIALLY for someone who is an academic and publicly preaching this information. I can't say for certain if he is condensing this information to make it more palatable, but people aren't stupid, and if they are, then the relay of information naturally becomes a regurgitation of what you originally said with or without the complexity and depth with which you relay it.

[@brek5]

@@bazx6466 Well, the other thing (reading your response now) that also occurred to me but especially now is his seemingly smug assumption that people can't reflect on their actions and gain a greater understanding of why they had acted some way (and contrary to what he would say, it's not all some status or reproductive imperative). I think we've all had moments, often negative ones but possibly positive ones, where we've reacted to something, and then later, we go, "Man, why did I react that way?" Then, with a little introspection, we might get to a deeper understanding of ourselves and our motivations, cultural assumptions, etc. that can drive us unthinkingly. I believe we can, and I reject his hypothesis that we are all some sort of biological robots stuck in the programming we definitely do have from biology and culture, among other influences. We also have the ability to learn about ourselves and exert some control over our urges, desires, and motivations to an extent.

[@topherdalrymple6535]

I ride my motorcycle because it's fun as fuck. No mystery there man

[@CSAcrazy]

I got outcasted from my friend group for status seeking and it irritated me to no end because all of their status seeking was brightly apparent to me but I still was friendly to them and then I started succeeding for the first time and surpassed them and then showed it off because I wanted the status and admiration and everybody turned on me and acted like I was the most pitiful person ever. Meanwhile acting as if they don’t do the same exact things on a much more unimpressive level. The best thing I can say about status is try your hardest not to care about getting it and continue to achieve as if you did want it and you will get the status and everyone will start acting like a groupie and then you can be turned off and stop wanting to associate with the other people instead of them crucifying you

[@twinkletoes7095]

It is peace of mind. Contentment over happiness. Meaning and purpose are noble and also a bit judgy. Can you just be. Resist/refrain from intentionally harming. Happiness is a butterfly on the flower of satisfaction in the garden of contentment.

[@jc149381]

Happiness is a prediction error for an event Happiness = Expectation < Outcome

[@davidfarrall]

Most people do chase status, whether consciously or subconsciously, through status symbols or signals, sports cars, dressing up, flamboyant intellect, etc. In this way, we all float around in the hierarchies of humankind. To play lots of interesting games is better than just status for status sake.

[@dosboot1]

The idea that we can't be aware of our own status seeking, or other people can't be aware, or that any status game will collapse if people think about it... it's all false. It's not a claim that is based on anything or has evidence to back it up. The claim just seems true until you experience counter-examples in yourself or others. It's easiest to admit to people that you are improving yourself to gain status when you are also comfortable admitting you are low status. I also think you would be surprised at, e.g., how many students enter med school and will admit that the status of profession was a motivating factor. Half of this episode was very hard to listen to because of how "absolute" this one wrong claim was.

[@benmcguire4014]

Nothing wrong with wanting status? Because woman are beautiful😍

[@arjansingh9880]

All i got out of this is that Pinsof is unhappy and thinks everything is bullshit, so everyone must feel the same way as him

[@33BiGBoB33]

Same here. "Everything is bullshit" - your idea excluded, am I right? "My idea is bullshit" - so... why should I listen to it? "People put status seeking things into sacred category to hide their status seeking" - Ah, right. So we can finally stop bullshiting ourselves and assault sexually everyone we want. Nah, this guy is just insufferable.

[@TheZGALa]

It occurs to me that perhaps as a neurodivergent/autistic person, I see through that more often than some humans, and that leads to a lot of dissatisfaction in my life.

[@peacelily64]

I agree I never put a label on myself but I see beyond something than the oblivious in a person and so I use that instinct on how I view that person where as friends of mine are totally in disagreement until they see it later with a certain person .. if I’m making sense 🙂✌🏻

[@jackrack4162]

“Man’s thoughts and actions are compensatory substitutes for desires which he has long been obliged to suppress” - Edward Bernays

[@brodielane7643]

As long as humanity continues to adopt the 'Ignorance is Bliss' mindset, we'll continue to survive through scientific research like this.

[@caleblaskowski]

If anyone here lives in Grand Rapids, MI, I’m looking for some deep thinking friends.

[@peacelily64]

I know a hairstylist that if you catch her on a good day she is real deep thinker she works in GR Mi 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@farmerbrett8660]

I disagree with the idea that we don’t know why we do things… I fill up my car with gas because it’s out of gas..

[@bruhsoup6320]

Study Carl Jung and you’ll understand other people (and yourself) a lot more accurately

[@advocate1563]

I've converted happiness into laughter. What makes me laugh? I aldo seek fulfilment which is a less laden word than meaning, for me. Mental models that provide me with wiggle room is the key.

[@endgamefond]

This eps is one of the great ones. I had been thinking about this "what can I give to society? (in boarder scale)". It is essensially for us (most of it). We are entitiled to been seen as important and usefull. It is all for us. That why people do that. I mean if you want to give back to society just silently give foods to homeless people or your neighboor who are stuggling to put foods in their tables or paying rents instead of your name being mentioned coz you are a big donator to a charity or some big comunity. I see people signaling their virtue. We can see in perfomative way so they can gain empathy or seen as important or a saint. If you ask what hunters gatherers value as a status? probably how big animals they can kill. It can be a proof to their society that they are better. Modern society have different things that they see as status or power (such as being a big donator to a church or mosque, etc). The more you think, the more you realize that human beings do what they do because they are driven to what society value. It is no longer about surviving (eating foods to survive) but about how people percieve us. I also aggree on 21:22 about "look how they treat a waiter at a restaurant when they get an order wrong". See how they treat or help people without other people see it. It could be they help giving foods to homeless people or paying his friend rents without telling his other friends. 28:42 "They want to be loved. They want to respected." we, human beings are amazing. 31:52 "It is uncomfortable to admit. Our desires are competitive. We dont just want prople like us but we want people to like us more than they like other people. We dont just want have opinions, we want better opinions than others."

[@masterfoggy88]

So what I get from this I’m stupid because I can overwrite my instincts, fear of death, hunger, sex… basic programs are there to protect the host at all cost this doesn’t mean they can’t be overwritten for something bigger than human nature… that’s silly, so you want to tell me this guy doesn’t want money or status because he is now aware of them ?

[@adamhixon]

Great insights here. But I think he is ignoring a small but significant demographic. Many people do guage personnel success externally (status hierarchys) but some do so internally, comparing yourself to your past self. Seeing how far you have come. Taking pride in overcoming obstacles. There are pros and cons to both approaches, but I think our society would be healthier if we could promote the inner version a bit more. The solitary, stoic approach of the mountain lion is just at valid as the community approach of a pack of wolves. I think humans can thrive under both paradigms.

[@kyleinpa5285]

Very interesting guest. I hope you have him in again.

[@romeojakedibakoane]

Great Episode I enjoyed watching it

[@Mjr47]

If Chino from Deftones never dropped out of High School…

[@J_The_Colossal_Squid]

12:57 circular thinking. Don't be open about status seeking. Easy Peasy. Non prudent personal ubiquitous status seeking is a fool's errand. transparency

[@muxi0121]

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happyness....

[@albertlevins9191]

I like the picture on this. The caption makes it work. I would have clicked anyway, but this made me instantly curious.

[@krissnoe500]

Ever hear the phrase you don't grow a garden with bullshit. It's both literal and figuratively

[@tomp6780]

Is this a personal confession session for this guy?

[@simongotborg3866]

I'm not sure it would work, but the point of UBI isn't to eliminate the game. The goal is to elevate the game so we might direct society towards the greatest good.

[@peacelily64]

Yes being nature I go to have peace in mind I need it to help keep me balanced and to think and being around the negative ions from the trees and the water💚✌🏻

[@mrc9513]

13:24 I'm afraid this sounds like a circular reference to me, seemingly based on the (in my opinion) false premise that Everything is necessarily driven by status seeking, rather than other things.

[@JensonThunders]

‘If you want status, that probably means you have low status, er right?’… couldn’t disagree more.. read Niccolò Machiavelli ‘the prince’ 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻

[@emanuelgomez1623]

Great stuff!!!

[@WTHPOPL]

If I drank every time he said "uhh" I would have been drunk in the first 2 min 😂. Great information though... Even though I'd question the validity of his information due to the use of this uncertainty quotient (uhh).

[@dnoordink]

You keep telling yourself you want to be better than other people. I'll just keep being happy being myself.

[@Mr.Coffee576]

Yeah, its bs. But unfortunately, we gotta play it.

[@conorkoesterman6769]

This gives me the creeps. I walk instead of driving, status game. I make sure that I am the kind of person who can take care of my parents, status game. I take the effort to plan something nice for my girlfriend, status games. I see it. As I am introspecting I think also about how I cue my status to different groups of people. If I am palling around with a group of young guys my age and someone throws a status jab at me, I have enough confidence to stick my chin out and ask for another. On the other hand, if my girlfriend says something that I simply perceive as a slight, it really bothers me. I am much more sensitive to the stock market candlestick of my day-to-day status with her than of the people that I am actually competing against.

[@TylerCSM]

I recognise the guy in your thumbnail 😆

[@Leah_LM]

While intellect is sought after wisdom is divine. To be wise is the integration of intelligence to our everyday lives. It's not enough to just know. Living the experience is much more profound. Ask any parent 😂 The pursuit of acceptance of all eventualities. Therein lives happiness and success. When we are no longer triggered by our environment and allow ourselves to wonder what if? Allowing the outcome without fear or judgement. That must be pretty amazing 😘

[@timfoo8228]

Taoism is the solution. It's designed to counter social status anxiety.

[@augmenautus]

Gordon Gecko said this back in 1987 in his greed is good speech. 😅

[@feedittothegoat388]

The yams got me😅😅

[@donwarner6925]

Take a drink every time either says status in this episode.

[@vanessanesener4028]

I love humans wondering about humans. We're really weird creatures trying to figure out how we function and why we are what we are instead of just being what we are and doing whatever. 😄

[@bazx6466]

"Being what we are and doing whatever"; so I should just go out of my house, abuse, terrorize and slaughter? We have the capacity for reason. That is part of what we are, not just animals.

[@vanessanesener4028]

@@bazx6466 So this is how you use your capacity for reasoning?

[@brianlong2334]

​@bazx6466 The human superiority complex at it again. For all we know in a thousand year more or less they might find out all animals are capable of what we think makes us special, the real difference was we didn't understand other animals because they don't necessarily have the same response and or goal as our clump of cells.... lol! The reality is we bearly understand our own behaviours let alone others, anything from 70% to over 90% of our communication is non verbal, yet our conscious mind doesn't, most people operate on what they think the other person is saying as the 90% of communication.

[@kirks386]

I'm a Brujo. A Blackbird. Far better than a human.

[@craptor1234]

i cant get over how this guy sounds like nick offerman

[@BenMJay]

I know why I do things. I bang b/c it feels good. I make money b/c I want to be comfortable and it’s fun to have stuff. And I watch KZbin videos b/c I like learning. But not here. This guy need to lay off the dope.

[@adamkasprowicz]

slow pace, but really interesting guest :D

[@SirBoden]

As an autistic polymath almost everything he says about humans is foreign to me. I feel like a primatologist listening to this.

[@BaiMengLing]

YES YES YES we are 2 ! @boden8138

[@BaiMengLing]

@@Stierenkloot High IQ autistic people like me are VERY much aware of the game that NTs play but as we do not like this game and refuse to play it, they do not like us and the most competitive NTs hate us precisely because they can not use us, deceive us and we have a tendency to expose their game, hahaha

[@mattolivier1835]

8:10 You're wrong! Seeking status is NOT low status! It's ONLY low status if it's undeserved status that one is seeking! If one feels that they deserve a status level, then it is merely trying to force others to recognize that one deserves status.

[@moeyyad]

I agree with you. If I tell others that I'm pursuing a Ph.D to gain more credibility in my field, most people will still respect that pursuit even if I make it explicitly clear that I'm doing it for academic status.

[@rith971]

​@@moeyyad It's just lying that we don't like. Some status games come with implied rules that you shouldn't be status seeking in the first place, which is why you lose when everyone realizes what you're doing, but in competitive environments or when you're open with your motivations it comes across very differently.

[@PumperPanda95]

What if I dont come up with a self flattering story if I try to introspect?

[@littlevahn]

He just seems like someone deeply embedded in Nihilism

[@twinkletoes7095]

It's the collaborative competative dichotomy. Or empathetic/narcissistic. Or is it. Limited game/limitless game. Yes. Can we have the weirdest new status games please. Giant yam gifting🤔💖

[@J_The_Colossal_Squid]

15:26 You seem to be overlooking how theoretical knowledge modifies degrees of freedom and their nature and scope. This is very much at this point is a it he know, vs ignorance game. Let's not delude ourselves believing being in the know amounts to ignorance.

[@ezreality]

Good podcast Chris and David, thank you... Stop kidding yourself what every man wants is to become God! The goal of life is to experience Ultime Reality...

[@aanchaallllllll]

0:10: 😕 Understanding the true reasons for our behavior can be disheartening, but it is possible and can lead to better outcomes. 7:15: 🎭 Status games are inherently fragile and prone to collapsing when the secret of the game is revealed. 14:55: 🤔 The rise of virtue signaling and performative empathy on the internet can be attributed to the unique nature of social media and its impact on our psychology. 21:48: 😮 The speaker discusses how status games and sacred values influence human behavior and how understanding this can lead to more empathy and compassion. 29:11: 🔑 Our desires are competitive and relative, and we constantly compare ourselves to others in order to be better than our competitors. 36:42: 😊 The speaker believes that intergenerational competition is key to prosperity and that markets are a good status game. 43:50: 🤔 The pursuit of happiness is fundamentally implausible and can lead to misery. 49:47: 💡 The pursuit of happiness is not scalable, but the pursuit of meaning and peace of mind are important. 56:16: 🧠 The human brain evolved to navigate social groups, rather than for seeking useful knowledge or truth. 1:03:35: 🧠 Our brains are primarily used for gossiping, politicking, and social interactions rather than practical decision making or tool making. 1:10:18: 🤔 The lesson to take away is that the interesting stuff is overrated and we should seek out more boring things. Recap by Tammy AI

[@lilytea3]

Wow thank you Tammy AI! I could digest all the content discussed within minutes. Where may I find it?

[@joben2191]

Trying to focus but I keep getting distracted by the white thing under his couch.. what is that ?! 😮 Remote? Tag ? 😂

[@jamesmatthewsphotography355]

oh this is going to be a game changer this one 🤩

[@Cubby9999]

Nothing wrong with playing status games i.e. everybody loves a real hero. The unfortunate thing is people get status for screwing over other people.

[@MonaMarMag]

I do not understand to be honest . Why should I compare myself to other people ? After all , this is not a goal in my life .

[@shephelj03]

I think this is why we are so obsessed with sports.

[@davidfarrall]

You should compete with yourself, yet recognise there is always someone better than you at specific things…….

[@peacelily64]

1:02:20 💚✨

[@jokeowo362]

how can I stop bullshitting when I've already made a mess.

[@CONEHEADDK]

Like a zit on babe's nose becomes all you can think of while talking with her, all I got out of this video was "What the f... is that white thing under his casting couch??"

[@paulcorrado]

Interesting ideas on happiness not being useful in evolution. Thanks

[@eldesmadre4275]

A very reductionist take, conveniently based on unfalsifiable assumptions. As such it is nothing more than an intellectually appealing narrative, dismissing observations hinting at its incongruence by calling them bullshit for the mere reason that they go against the dogmatic narrative. As with any narrative, a belief in its truthfulness is akin to religious belief.

[@BramAug-s6o]

I have more wisdom by listening to Modern Wisdom 😅

[@k54dhKJFGiht]

People who do not want status are not being honest with themselves. The ones that disagree are often playing an awful game, like throwing someone else under a bus to Virtue Signal that the other person is a bad status seeker, but not them. Definitely not them! People simply want status just like they want love.

[@rith971]

What he's saying is that one is truly pursuing a sacred virtue, like truly feeling compelled to save the environment and changing their behaviors to do so, their subconscious mind is generating that 'sacred virtue' compulsion in the first place precisely as a way to increase their social standing because that was selected for in evolution, they just obviously don't know that and don't experience it as 'I'm trying to seek status.' Just like method acting, if you truly believe you are this type of person, you'll sell it more effectively to your peers, so there's no evolutionary benefit to knowing that you're really just interested in social status.

[@BaiMengLing]

"People who do not want status are not being honest with themselves" Are homosexual secretly heterosexual but not being honest with themselves? seriously man human beings are all different. I know it seems difficult for David Pinsoff and his limited cognitive abilities to wrap his mind around the diversity of the human specie, but some of us like other stuff than "status".

[@elielhudson7378]

well, he's kind of right but also wrong. for example, I didn't watched this video in search to know more about psychology than other people. I don't even have anyone to talk about these things. I just want to know, I like the o know the truth, to understand why my feelings are someway. he sees everything as an evolutionary element like a competition to be the strongest, but he don't see that somethings have value in itself.

[@thatswhatamsaying9750]

SOME scientist play that status game but many scientist agree that the status game being collectively played is the one of the hierarchy of objective fact and truth and the better and better evidence that can prove that fact to be the case.

[@anonanon7553]

Isn't it possible thar virtues, values, and molarity could actually exist outside of status seeking if they were evolutionarily valuable traits to have??? The value of equality helped the tribe survive, and so people developed a genuine belief in equality. Additionally, the individual is not always the primary concern of evolution. Sometimes the survival of the species is greater than the survival of one individual within the species. Take ants and bees, sometimes individuals in the hive will die in order for the whole hive to succeed.

[@J_The_Colossal_Squid]

No, you both seem to be missing the inherent and potential intrinsic opportunity. Use the knowledge to craft your story to at least attempt to become the person with the attributes and characteristics that you believe will be both be fulfilling and result in honing the processes that may result in your achieving the outcomes and lifestyle you want to adapt to adopting. Caveat being this heuristic has not been empirically tested.