The Science of Vegansim | Sci Guys Podcast

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4 ай бұрын

It's Veganuary again, so what better time to look into the science of veganism? Strap in and join us as we look into how large scale farming affects our planet, and whether veganism is actually worth it...
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@SciGuys 4 ай бұрын

Are you vegan?

@Phoenix_Buffay 4 ай бұрын

Yes, as of a month ago. 🎉💚

@chantelleyt22 4 ай бұрын

Vegetarian but not vegan

@River_Rune 4 ай бұрын

3 years 💚🖤

@FrozEnbyWolf150 4 ай бұрын

No, at least not yet. For health reasons I've been steadily reducing the amount of meat in my diet, and have completely cut out red meat. I've been growing more of my own vegetables in my homestead garden, and cooking a lot of vegan substitution recipes, which are quite good.

@antband3943 4 ай бұрын

kinda want to but... idk yet

@Mx-Alba 4 ай бұрын

Regarding honey and bees... Bees /are/ actually being selectively bred so they produce more honey and are more docile. Domesticated bees also compete with wild pollinators that don't produce honey for human consumption. In some areas, native pollinators have been almost eradicated and replaced by honey bees... The question then becomes, do I really /need/ honey? No, I don't. I could also use sugar or agave syrup or not use sweeteners. And a final thing to ponder: a teaspoon of honey constitutes the life's work of ten bees. All in all, obviously, consuming a bit of honey is definitely not as bad as consuming a pound of meat - but it /is/ a bit of animal exploitation and reduction of biodiversity that can easily be eliminated, so why wouldn't you eliminate it?

@madhatterline 4 ай бұрын

Yeah too many people seem to think they are 'saving' the bee by buying honey. There are about 270 species of bees in the UK, the honey bee is only 1 of them. What do people think happens to these other bees & other pollinators as you say, when a bee farmer introduces selectively bred honey bees to the area. Plus a lot of honey farmers are buying their bees from the same breeders or breeding chain, often from Europe. So even the average genetically diverse British honey bee as we know them are advertently being bred out.

@lamberthoratio2874 3 ай бұрын

The almond milk logic in this episode can easily be used here. On top of that, honey is without a doubt the easiest animal product to give up as it is mostly just sugar.

@randomname4726 3 ай бұрын

@@madhatterline I'm not educated on this, just curious. Do we need the honey bees to keep up with modern food production? And do we know the other bees are not, not doing well for other reasons and therefore we need honey bees to replace them? Definitely a subject not talked about enough.

@PChuu22 4 ай бұрын

I am deeply amused that this episode premiered today, because seven years ago, my husband and I (and our four kids) went vegan. I'm delighted by the Sci Guys having a veganism episode on our veganniversary.

@TheAwesomes2104 4 ай бұрын

Congratulations, I've also been vegan for about 7 years. I wish I knew the exact date, but I stopped eating meat when I was 9 and gave up on remembering the exact day I started, being 9 and all.

@PChuu22 4 ай бұрын

@@TheAwesomes2104 TBH, I don't know the exact day...but I use TimeHop memories of photos taken around this time 7 years ago, and 7th Jan was the first fully vegan meal I made myself (tofu saag), and I didn't really backslide after that. So I just go with that!

@riverisenby556 4 ай бұрын

Just came over from Spotify to say that the hunting thing is a little deeper than what was said here- I live in rural Italy, where hunting is HUGE, and it's had some pretty awful effects on the environment and local economy. A good example is the elimination of competition (wolves, bears, lynx, etc) and the overfeeding of animals such as boars and deers, both of which lead to the overpopulation of the latter. This can have effects on the flora (obviously), which we see here especially with the local truffle and mushroom industry, which is effectively dying. Obviously, this wasn't the theme of the episode, so it makes sense that it wasn't discussed in depth, and it's still way better than most animal farming, but I just wanted to put this out there.

@riverisenby556 4 ай бұрын

Funny story, I became pescetarian when I was eight years old because I was a very stubborn autistic child; became fully vegetarian at 13, and am planning to go vegan when I move out at 19. Meat smells revolting to me, and my blood test results are better than many of my peers'.

@veganjotaro 4 ай бұрын

That sounds good to me.

@PunkMarioBros 4 ай бұрын

Nothing better than a new episode of Sci Guys! It’d be cool to see one about back to school depression (when kids get really down when going back to school)

@kadenjantz2180 4 ай бұрын

33:03 They can't just leave. Most beekeepers clip the wing of the queen so all the other bees are forced to stay with her. Others use various other methods to prevent their escape. They don't actually want to stay in a place where giants are gassing them and replacing their honey with cheap syrups, of course. Beekeeping is very detrimental to both honey bees and the native pollinators that it drives to extinction. If you would like to learn more, I recommend this short informative video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZ2wf6qVi7RkrtEsi=PnxqNX_rI51WU9Gp

@biancat.1873 4 ай бұрын

Underrated comment! Thank you for speaking up against the exploitation of honey bees and their danger to wild pollinators.

@madhatterline 4 ай бұрын

Yeah there are around 270 species of bees in the UK, & even when it's a 'nice farm' the honey bees have been selectively bred, usually coming from the same European breeding chains. With the support of humans these honey bees are taking the food & habitat of other native bees & pollinators & making survival even harder. If you want to save the bee plant wild flowers ect, don't buy honey.

@Enkiaswad 4 ай бұрын

I would like to start eating more like a poor Mediterranean person. Lots of lentils, beans, tomatoes... meat yes but in small quantities and rarely, more chicken than red meat. I know being vegetarian or vegan is better still, but I am trying to make changes slowly because I have a tendency to give up easily if I am unable to achieve everything right away... Also if there are things like veggie only days in cafeterias I am all for it, it makes it easier, no need to do it yourself, it has more impact etc. I definitely also vote for green policies and for better animal treatment and rights (I am Swiss, we can use our nice little direct democracy to vote on stuff).

@TheAwesomes2104 4 ай бұрын

My dyslexia gave me such whiplash there because I read the first line of your comment as "I would like to start eating more poor Mediterranean people." 😅 But hey, good on you for wanting to make steps towards positive change. Some people can go "cold turkey" with animal products (ironic expression, right?) But many people would likely try, fail, and give up if they only did it that way. You have to do what works for you.

@Enkiaswad 4 ай бұрын

@TheAwesomes2104 Ahahaha omg 🤣 It would be even more cannibalistic, as my father's family are poor Mediterranean people (Algeria). Because meat got is expensive they eat a lot more chicken than beef or lamb and otherwise lentils and beans etc. We talked about vegan food and they don't really get it, which I can understand because there are a lot less options there and people just eat what they can afford and feeds the family. Ironically though, the low cost Mediterranean diet is at least healthier than eating steak several times a week. As opposed to the US where food deserts make it that the worst food is the only thing people with less money can afford.

@noahisntanartist 3 ай бұрын

Someone else commented this but they’re so right. DO A BACK TO SCHOOL DEPRESSION EPISODE!

@remysbasement 2 күн бұрын

Have been waiting for this one 🫡

@librasgirl08 4 ай бұрын

I highly recommend Oddlygood, Finnish plant based company. So tasty! Tried it for their ads with Käärijä, who can't consume dairy for medical reasons. But it's just really good! I stopped eating meat, when I was 12 years old. I've never missed it. I don't really use meat replacements, I don't like the taste, never really did. I prefer veggies and mushrooms.

@jesthered7966 4 ай бұрын

I agree we should all reduce our animal consumption, so don't get me wrong here, not arguing against veganism. A few thoughts though... as someone who works adjacent to Agriculture (regulatory stuff) I really think people don't understand the animal "processing" industry. Whenever I hear the argument that hunters use the whole animal so its better... well so does the cattle, pig and chicken industry; in general its called by products and reductions. The whole cow does end up getting used across a variety of products. The Slaughter plants sell their left overs from butchering to used in other ways. Render the fats for engine greases, gelatin from bones, cartilage and skin. Protein by-products for feeds (including things like cat food, you know, obligate carnivores). There is a whole industry built around using the whole animal. I hate the environmental impact of raising all those cattle and pigs though. I live in Alberta which accounts for roughly 41% of ALL CATTLE IN CANADA (59% of all beef eaten in Canada, there are more dairy cattle in the east). There are more cows than people here. And they have been reducing the herds for the last decade. About 1/3 of all beef used in the Western USA comes from... Alberta! There was a huge controversy in the 90s when the singer KD Lang declared she was vegetarian because she was a cattle ranchers daughter and country singer (how dare!)... I see people driving around with I Love Beef! Stickers on their giant oversized trucks. When I chose to be a vegetarian in the 90s it was like I had stepped into a culture war when I was just trying to do it for my health and the world around me. The family was shocked that I DARED. I had no help (and only had mashed potatoes and carrots at Christmas once). It was very hard to get the information I needed to eat properly. I ended up iron and vitamin D deficient and believe me much to my disappointment had to reintroduce meat after 5 years just so I could function. Since then, when I was single, I only ate meat (fish or chicken generally) about twice a week. When I got married it took me YEARS to convince my husband that we do not need to eat meat every day. Having his doctor on my side really helped 😅. So now meat only 3 times a week and the rest vegetarian (lacto-ovo generally but vegan sometimes). But it does mean more planning, and frankly more of MY time and mental energy to make sure we eat properly. We had to move to a meal planning service when I pretty much could not carry the mental load of our household anymore (we started out very equal in duties, there was a reckoning mid-pandemic about how heavy my load had become). Perhaps that is something else that factors in. Socially. Despite decades of trying to make families more egalitarian you do know that in most places you are demanding that women spend more of their time and mental energy making their families vegetarian'/vegan and a lot of us just don't have anything left. I feel like I have skipped all over the place.😮‍💨 Sorry So this was a good episode

@SciGuys 4 ай бұрын

We're aware the entire animal is used within our current system, we actually didn't suggest otherwise. The point about hunters was more specifically an opposition to hunting for sport. Not using the whole animal is wasteful, but it's not the only means of being wasteful; so while the meat industry isn't wasteful in that one way, it is in many others. We're not demanding anything of anyone? Both of us handle the cooking in our respective households, so we understand this from personal experience. We highlighted the mental load of switching to a plant based diet & explicitly said that some may be unable to maintain veganism for that reason.

@Over.thewillow 4 ай бұрын

Im a vegetarian but i dont drink cow milk bc im lactose intolerant, i get my (duck) eggs from a small local farm, but i do eat store bought vegetarian yoghurt (i promose ill change) You dont need to know this