The Secret of Sonic in Melee - Super Smash Bros. Hoaxes and Rumors - Aaronitmar

While Melee and Brawl's hoaxes and fake leaks were few and far between, there are still some pretty neat ones to talk about!
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The Secret of Sonic in Melee - Super Smash Bros. Hoaxes and Rumors - Aaronitmar
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[@Aaronitmar]

I heard Raichu is in Smash 64, all you have to do is beat classic mode 32 times on very hard without grabbing more than 5 times and if you beat Master Hand with your controller upside down then you’ll fight a giant Pikachu which will evolve into Raichu! Can't believe no one has found this out yet!

[@Brownyan]

It worked!!! Thank you so much!!!

[@josephescobedo5226]

I just unlocked Melee

[@royraven2088]

DAMN IT I UNLOCKED SANS

[@buttertube1134]

no this is wrong, this is how you unlock shrek you lier

[@catriamflockentanz]

Who cares about that? I need a method to unlock Pikablu!

[@quagsir3]

I was in shock when Sonic was released in Brawl. I can't imagine Smash without Sonic since Sega & Nintendo would not collab unless Sega started going third party.

[@jamesnelson5618]

Exactly that a fact and why? Because smash Melee release in 2001 and Sega still isn't 3rd party until a year later in 2002 when drop out of the competition in console market.

[@jamesnelson5618]

@KingNyan yeah That Was After they became 3rd party at the time they begin porting games on Nintendo system and then other platform like Sony and Microsoft.

[@jace.r]

A friend told me Cloud was in Brawl and I told him I didn’t know who that was.

[@chillby4198]

Oof size: LARGE

[@ByeWorld]

What is Brawl?

[@mabbott946]

@@ByeWorld the dlc for hogans castle

[@argonaut640]

Story of my life when it comes go Geno.

[@cats4life273]

yeah hes in battlefield stage if you look up at the sky

[@precieux6303]

4:58 "Smash always uses original arts for their games" Super Smash Bros. 64: 👀

[@Foulowe59]

...

[@ctons]

Johan Wayne WE NEVER COUNT LEMMY KOOPA

[@brandonwilliams6119]

The Smash 4 Clouds

[@ahmadkazan7994]

Sonic's voice lines in ultimate would like to have a word with him.

[@goldenxp9404]

"A Dream's been Cast!" reminds me of "Banjo and Kazooie are Raring to go!"

[@shakirahawkins8671]

It reminds me of sonic adventure on the Dreamcast

[@bibarel5097]

If Sonic was in melee he would be on his adventure design...

[@Justj5271]

Funny enough, that's the design Sonic has in the project m mod called "Smash 2". It's a Brawl mod that's basically Melee but with more characters.

[@Blxckhxrt]

Adeventure 2 since it was out in 2001

[@isbryanflyingordying2202]

Yeah what other design would they use it was 2002

[@donkeykong6426]

and tails

[@Justj5271]

@KZbin Inc Exactly lol. He does have his adventure design in the mod. You should check it out.

[@Davidpoland2005]

0:28 MARIO DRANK THE NUCLEAR MILK, HES GONNA DESTROY THE GOVERMENT

[@mati28287]

MARIO GOT IN THE SPERM BANK OH NO

[@chillby4198]

@@mati28287 mmm... Tasty milk... Mmm...

[@mati28287]

@@chillby4198 o h n o

[@chillby4198]

@@mati28287 o h y e s

[@rotundmonibuv5103]

Mamma-mia! Time to raid the ketamine factory

[@sbprakamranonymity4780]

I kinda miss the Brawl days/Pre-Smash4 days, TBH... those old Nintendo internet days were so nostalgic!

[@alphabootlegitimate2643]

Wish I was a bit older. I was barely around

[@edgelord8337]

I actually fell for the fake sonic leak in melee. Also isn't it ironic how sonic saves the entire Nintendo universe in brawl despite Sega and Nintendo being at each other's throats just a couple years before?

[@TreadywayYT]

I swear

[@harrybest2041]

It was only an April fools joke.

[@ocarinahero3450]

Harry Best No shit

[@maibignutt6434]

@@harrybest2041 obviously. that's why he said he fell for it....

[@Darksilver740]

Nintendo: Ok Sega. EVERYONE HAS BEEN ASKING FOR SONIC TO BE IN SMASH. PLEASE CAN WE HAVE HIM!? Sega: Hmmm... alright alright. BUT, he has to have the most important role in story mode. Nintendo: *Has Sonic interrupt Tabuu and save the world*

[@jacklazzaro9820]

4:52-4:58 No, this is from Sonic Adventure DX: Director's Cut. For the Gamecube.

[@rotundmonibuv5103]

SADX didn't come out until 2003, the hoax is from 2002

[@SCrafter1234]

I'm just realizing it now the joke behind "A dream has been cast".

[@AstralBloodEX]

0:22 "Oh these are pretty cool rumors."

[@thepurplemudkip9998]

Trey Astralblood AAAAAAAAAAA

[@Davidpoland2005]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA IT WAS FAKE

[@99wins31]

4:58 Ultimate Lemmy Koopa clearly missed the message

[@rafaeldias6008]

And smash 64's roster

[@Miguel92398]

@@rafaeldias6008 Smash 64 is an exception(except for Luigi). But I get what Aaron meant. He was talking about Melee onwards.

[@missplayer30]

If Sonic was in Melee and we take account that each installment so far introduce a NEW Sega rep, who would have been the Sega rep back in Brawl?

[@TesKal41]

Sonic in brawl, Sonic in 4, and Sonic in Ultimate

[@adamm59]

Daniel Sands 7 Tails would likely be the unique character, and Due to his long history, he’d likely come first as well. Shadow plays very similarly to sonic in modern games, and given mewtwo teleport or bayo witch time could probably serve as an echo. Knuckles should have been one of those deluxe mii like sans

[@Masked_Mastermind]

@Adam Myers Why not Dr. Eggman? He would be more unique than all three of them. He could even fight in his Egg Mobile.

[@missplayer30]

@@Masked_Mastermind Yeah, just like Bowser Jr... (Or he could come first and have the whole Eggman-Bowser Jr be something like Duck Hunt-Banjo situation)

[@Masked_Mastermind]

@Missplayer30 Just because they both fight in a flying machine, that wouldn't automatically make his moveset the same.

[@twilighttoast01]

Imagine being a kid, hearing that Sonic and Tails can be unlocked in Melee, and then finding out later in Nintendo Power that the whole leak was a hoax.

[@sentinellj]

Well being born in 2003 that never happened to me and even if I heard about Geno in Brawl wouldn't of known who he was

[@KamiJoJo]

4:58 "Smash always uses original art for their games" Someone didn't do their research on Smash 64

[@rodrigomorales563]

To this day, tails is my most wanted smash character. And he probably won't be in ultimate because spirits. And I'm sad now. :(

[@2bitbyte]

Me too, man. RIP anyone who ever did that Cruel Melee challenge to get him. They will never get their full reward, it seems ;-;

[@iregretallofmycomments8058]

Yeah :'( I want Dixie in smash but I was sad when I found out she was scrapped from brawl

[@snowy5161]

Tails WAS in smash at the time but when adventure mode came 2 days after super smash bros ultimate he became a spirit.

[@SurgeSurgeSurge]

We got Min Min now

[@LFAFToys]

Same

[@TheLegoNation]

The geno in brawl vid it also showed him fighting mr game and watch on the pictochat stage. But after they both appeared on the stage the game crashed to make a vid effect.

[@Othermage]

I remember that video. Does it still exist somewhere?

[@TheLegoNation]

Brendan Quadling I’m not sure I looked everywhere

[@rubenakaskrubby8676]

@@TheLegoNation found some info on it and somehow got deleted www.deviantart.com/genoforsmash/art/Image-1-from-deleted-Xydeit-video-2008-690893004

[@TheLegoNation]

Ruben Giglio thx man let me know if your able to find archived footage of the vid

[@rubenakaskrubby8676]

@@TheLegoNation yo sorry about the late reply but good and bad news... good news is that I found the link to the video kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5Ctqmaabttmq5o (I don't mean to lie put this In the way back machine site) Bad news...he privated everything suddenly and typing his name in KZbin only gives a Mario rpg HD remake prank

[@Noseybonkeys]

When I was little I fell for a "how to unlock waluigi" hoax which had a crazy number of steps some being easy and some being very difficult where you would have to do everything again if you messed up. I would write down all the steps messily on paper and keep trying to get them all correct (I never did)

[@Liggliluff]

That's how they can claim that no one can disprove them, because no one will be able to complete the task.

[@iggywiggy4858]

Me: doing the challenge to get sonic Doesn’t get sonic ME: why are we here just... JUST TO SUFFER

[@CAB-yu8uj]

I remember seeing the Geno video when I was younger and it has been taken down. It was called “Xydeit - Geno in brawl” and he made another video where it was titled Geno vs Ridley but, it was just the camera circling around Geno and the stage (and I don’t remember seeing Ridley because he probably wasn’t there). So yeah, I have seen the video plenty of times and yeah it’s lost unfortunately but it remains in my memory! His KZbin channel still exists and so does his deviantart account: m.kzbin.infovideos

[@Foulowe59]

Wow that's cool !

[@trashjunkies]

Hearing geno being scrapped for brawl hurt on a whole different level

[@alphabootlegitimate2643]

He was also considered in Smash 4

[@2mygreeneyes]

I remember when leaks and rumors were actually fun because there was no direct way to prove or disprove it and they usually had some sort of credibility and even if they didnt they were fun. Now it's just like oh some person made a picture of Geno in smash. Welp it's a meme (keeps scrolling). Its so easy to make fake leaks now and everyone does it so it's not even fun anymore. It's sad honestly.

[@kylejohnson8447]

You’re a real bummer

[@2mygreeneyes]

@@kylejohnson8447 ?

[@kylejohnson8447]

2mygreeneyes sorry idk why I said that I had just woken up and was grumpy and I guess your Debby downer attitude annoyed me. But while I’m here I might as well say: Change =/= sadness or negativity that’s a tough way to live

[@2mygreeneyes]

@@kylejohnson8447 I'm not trying to be negative but I just think leaks now arent nearly as fun or interesting

[@kylejohnson8447]

2mygreeneyes that’s fair. I shouldn’t have said anything. Have a good day

[@infinitesynchron]

I remember unlocking Mew in SSBM considering a menu image looked similar to mew's shape

[@M1L06OOI]

Next video, best mods for each smash game! Amazing video btw, can't wait til the next one!

[@mystro8875]

4:58 “Smash always used original renders” Smash 64 would like to have a word with you

[@liamnickell4106]

These leaks or myths always interested me. Added a sense of mystery to games that you wouldn’t expect from them

[@twinberwolves4231]

I personally think Sonic and Tails should've been in Super Smash Bros. Melee

[@SamuelTheAdept]

We already have a fast animal in Melee... *Its called Fox*

[@GoofyPoptart]

@@SamuelTheAdept Could you of imagined Sonic in Melee he would of been pure cancer Im a Sonic main myself but he'd be so unfair if Melee would of included him.

[@twinberwolves4231]

@SAPPHIRE yeah, but we could dream right?

[@impulse5674]

Fotes & oats melee is a game that takes a lot of skill, fox is only really good if you know how to use him properly, if you don’t then he won’t seem that good, it would’ve been the same way with sonic

[@twinberwolves4231]

@@impulse5674 Sonic's speed would obviously be the same case in the PC game Super Smash Flash Melee, where his speed would be damn near almost uncontrollable. People are only as good as you want them to be when you play them. Yeah, there's the whole Tier List ordeal but still, you need to maintain a understanding and the context of using a character. What's their strong suit? What's they're biggest weakness? etc, etc. The more you can adapt certain characters playstyle and moveset, the more experienced you will be with said characters.

[@snowy5161]

2:06 "Toad Is The Fastest Character In The Game". Sonic: *well get deleted after brawl! Also, IM the fastest character now!*

[@isbryanflyingordying2202]

The fact tails isn't in smash is the reason I can't sleep

[@arazet]

Me: sees toad Aight Ima just get the GameCube controller

[@noodlenugget7427]

0:23 “oh these are pretty cool bananas AAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!”

[@DivinePudding133]

@ 8:00 Actually in Mortal Kombat 4 there's something like that. You can play as Noob Saibot and Goro using something like that.

[@Chelaxim]

Same with Shiden in Dead or Alive Dimensions

[@4mid1]

Thanks

[@natant927]

"You've unlocked all characters!"

[@janeinarolsen1577]

Aaronitmar: Smash always uses original art for their games. Smash ultimate spirits: allow us to introduce ourselves.

[@Mr.Tw1sty]

Smash 64:don't forget about me

[@SuperWiiBros08]

I remember the Geno video, it even had an entrance animation for Geno that recreated his awakening from the original game, the video ended with the "GO" freezing and then a text that I can't recall what it said, but it implied that the game crashed, it was one of the earliest best looking brawl hacks out there

[@vodaz9109]

I fell for that stuff when I was 13, which was when that website got posted. Even did the Raichu unlock criteria, which was super frustrating, and started having doubts when it didn't work.

[@bilibilibilibili]

Hey Aaron, thanks for helping me get back into the Discord! :D

[@That_Guy3604]

The unlock criterion for "Toad" reminds me of the things you needed to do to unlock Reptile in the first Mortal Kombat

[@GoofyPoptart]

"Wii want more" would of been so amazing damn!

[@kc_6770]

00:32 Edge in a Mario adveryisement still cracks me up😂

[@brandonwilliams6119]

Ahhh Sonic and Tails in Melee in Melee, such a Classic.

[@Venom-rr1vg]

I feel that if sonic was in smash melee, he would have his sonic adventure 2 design but with his normal shoes and normal gloves

[@pyrocyber5621]

Also back in the early days of KZbin (2008?) someone uploaded a short clip of Roy (from Melee) on the Battlefield stage in Brawl. It was only like 2 seconds short and showed a close-up of his idle animation but I remember it fondly and how much I wanted Roy in Brawl at the time.

[@kidkruschev]

How to unlock Toad: dedicate your life to playing Melee like a pro

[@meleefox3218]

Pokémon above Lv. 100 did exist in Red/Green/Blue versions, but only due to the famous Missingno. glitch, so those don't actually count as official Pokémon levels. I can't remember if any glitched Pokémon specifically at Lv. 200 existed without using Rare Candies that were duplicated by the same glitch, though.

[@chriskrichie566]

I fell for the one where I was told to 100% subspace and beat boss battles on the hardest difficultly to unlock Tabuu as playable in Brawl. I realized it was fake when I beat all the requirements and didn't unlock him.

[@kayden2119]

When I was a kid shadow being in brawl went all around my school and I 100% believed it lmao

[@knack3381]

great timing, i just beat 100 guys in cruel melee and unlocked waluigi using the master hand glitch

[@TSMSnation]

4:57 smash 64 "am I a joke to you??"

[@peedfarded]

When I was a kid I was so hyped when Sonic was announced for Brawl. I remember believing that rumor of Sonic being in melee and I spent so many hours just fucking around on Melee trying to unlock him. So when he was finally put in a smash game it was unheard of.

[@thesirms]

I can still remember reading about who would be in Brawl from Nintendo Power. Better times

[@Liggliluff]

(2:40) Not only is it lopsided, it also ruins the pattern. The 6 characters at the end are the only ones that are moved down a pixel or so. This is not to give a bent shape to it, because it is only these six that are moved down, no one else. These are moved down to mark them as clones (echoes); Dr. Mario of Mario, Falco of Fox and so on. This is also shown by having Ganondort to the right of Falco, making him not grouped with his universe, while all other universes are grouped on the same line. Putting Toad at the end ruins all this, and he should be placed up with the other Mario character, where there's not enough space, unless you want to move down one of the sub-universes Yoshi or DK.

[@Chelaxim]

8:00 In Dead or Alive Dimensions on 3DS you unlock Shiden from hitting an input on random...

[@Liggliluff]

Dead or Alive Dimensions is the only game that is currently banned from selling in Sweden. It's not illegal to import it though. So that's a random fact for you.

[@ervinwilliams9807]

7:43 Funny you mention it, but Capcom did that exact thing with the original Street Fighter Alpha. Dan Hibiki, Akuma and M.Bison were all hidden in the random character select!

[@dilobs]

Now we just need that other half of that April fools joke anyone up for tails in smash?

[@chunkykong8683]

Still would've been cool and blown my mind back then!

[@opalander]

When I was younger and didn't understand the concept of editing or mods, I thought the Geno in Brawl mod videos were confirmations that he was playable, so I spent most of my time trying to figure out how to unlock him. I was a dumb child.

[@farosh2735]

Dude the same happened to me but with Rosalina

[@iamnothere2701]

*secret character leaks* Ultimate: ayo imma have to stop you right there

[@AymenZero]

I like how it takes more than 20 years to discover gaming secrets tho lol

[@donkeykong6426]

0:21 *pretty cool bananas meme*

[@NickJohnson-ku9nl]

I remember how crazy it was when Sonic first got shown off

[@sheep5681]

3:05 Mario characters are all grouped together yoshi: am i a joke to you

[@Loopyboy447]

I think I remember that Geno video. It was Geno vs G&W on Pictochat that just had their entrance until it froze.

[@CrispyFrise]

I dont know why but old hoaxes like these kinda creep me out

[@sbeegb1808]

And that's why I don't listen to fake leaks!

[@stevehefferan56709]

0:22 oh these are pretty cool bananas

[@G5onicDmi]

AaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

[@pepikon7546]

Character locked behind random button: laughs in street fighter alpha akuma

[@thechugg4372]

8:02 Aaronitmar vs Arcade Fighting Games.

[@nextchannelgames763]

Would love to see a what if? Like for example Snake could have join Melee only he wasn’t to late, makes me wonder how the Melee Community would have been like

[@julioramon5016]

Some kid in 1st grade told me there was a “Thunder Peach.”

[@StudioSkiesAndWater]

these rumor websites messed with me back in those days haha

[@Ryuzekia]

I remember actually trying the Toad one as a kid...never could hit all the credits lol

[@AttitudeIndicator]

Thought the guy diarrhead on the couch at 0:00 holy shit that threw me off lmao

[@StanleySophana]

That infamous Grinch Leak sometime before Ultimate came out.

[@quinnafred]

Sonic was in melee? Did yall not buy the dlc?

[@OneMysteriousWolf]

Quinnafred So was banjo kazooie, they forgot to add them in ultimates base roster so they saved them for the fighters pass.

[@precieux6303]

Joker was in Smash since Super Smash Bros. For the NES.

[@GoofyPoptart]

@@OneMysteriousWolf Banjo was actually supposed to be in Melee until Microsoft bought Rare

[@jamesnelson5618]

@@precieux6303 your silly smash begin in 64 and also joker is a new character.

[@adsness7661]

@@jamesnelson5618 search up the definition of 'joke' next time.

[@SchmuckAmok]

Those were the days

[@indiexcorex2694]

This is old news what’s crazier is that they put sonic in the sonic movie

[@Bobo-zi6qc]

I wish theyd add those net meshed people from Melee

[@kirbjay]

In SSBU, I heard that you can get mario by doing classic mode 24234234342234324 times and play as pikachu when fight dark galeem and galeem, but you have to do it upside down

[@mordapb]

Me and my brother fell for the toad and sonic hoaxes. We spent sooo much time trying to unlock them

[@laytonvanegas8331]

Welcome back to critique the leak

[@rayurbae6964]

Man I just love playing fire emblem:mushroom destruction I wish toad was in a smash game

[@arianagrandefromfortnite]

2:16 "which seems a little busted" Dude it's Melee, does that part really seem out of the ordinary?

[@wii1796]

Im sad sonic and tails weren't in melee because that would mean tails would be in ultimate

[@scrambled5948]

You should do a fighter’s pass taunt origin

[@ElToland]

I once heard a rumor that Banjo & Kazooie were unlockable in Smash Melee, but everyone knows it's impossible to have B&K in any Super Smash Bros game ever 'cause RARE is owned by Microsoft since then. That's ridiculous, like having Cloud as a fighter in Smash Bros too. Final Fantasy VII is a Playstation exclusive game.

[@jamesnelson5618]

Yes it is and it because they do the same thing to joker when persona 5 is only on PS4 Another thing Phil Spencer said he want banjo just like anyone else and smash fandom and even now Microsoft & Nintendo partnership started with Minecraft commercial then port cuphead to switch and now banjo kazooie got in then would if Minecraft paved there way to the content soon enough is worth how it would meant.

[@MelloCheese]

The video for geno was actually deleted from KZbin in 2015

[@retrogamermax8287]

It's funny how almost all of those characters in that fake Brawl roster image at 6:59 that weren't in at the time actually made it in later: Bowser Jr., King K. Rool, Ridley, and Dark Samus. Excluding Midna, Krystal, Ashley, Black Shadow, Masked Man, and that chick next to Ike literally all of them made it in.

[@czardankvevo]

did anyone else just see sonic flipping you off on the thumbnail at first glance?

[@MewZe.]

Challenge: play as terry in smash but if u lose a match u have to go up to 3 random people and say “Are you okay?”

[@DefinitelyFakeGrantOBrien]

Probably common knowledge at this point, but Sonic and Snake were proposed for Melee, but the game was way too far into development, so they were left for Brawl. Had they started development later, or at least being patient, they would have still been the first third-party owned characters, but would have made Sonic join the dark side even earlier (Melee got released in November 2001, Sonic Adventure 2: Battle got released in December 2001, but it wouldn't matter much since they are on the GameCube and the Dreamcast failed anyway)

[@thatboidarock3731]

Sonic was almost added in Melee but wasn’t added due to time constraints

[@showme4028]

Great app to have

[@ValueNetwork]

“Smash always uses original art” Looks at the koopalings

[@coinshot3951]

The leak.... That started it all.....

[@ishade]

1:08 I spat my drink

[@giantmelon9025]

5:00 Lemmy and smash 64: are you sure about that?

[@floofycupkim1197]

The melee fake sonic leak was a prediction to sonic being In brawl

[@ThatOneLebaneseGuy]

0:23 Oh these are pretty cool bananas.