The Secret Text Beyond All Teachings Decoded

[@JasonGregoryAuthor]

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[@richardostroman8978]

The wise one knows he is eternal.

[@pamelaskarda6143]

Awesome, profound channel.

[@richardostroman8978]

The wise one does not play duelity illusion game and can move on from this consciousness experience. When one chooses.

[@ElAsh-pc7fr]

I bought Fasting the Mind today..thanks man👍

[@unclequack5445]

Any entry into the spirit world apart from the Holy Spirit is illegal entry this is what my teacher brings.

[@LaurenDelsackAstrologer]

I found this book in Tiruvannamalai (Ramana Maharishi's town), and thought this was the greatest book I would ever read. What a find, what a blessing!

[@raghavendrap6221]

@idelsack, can u give me the name of the author. I want to read as well.

[@LaurenDelsackAstrologer]

@@raghavendrap6221 Swami Nityaswarupananda same book he is holding in video.

[@raghavendrap6221]

@@LaurenDelsackAstrologer thanks 🙏

[@virginiakraft8331]

I can say this much - during an oral surgery as a teen for impacted wisdom teeth - I believe I was in-between life and death when the surgeon left me under too long. I remember being in a very comfortable darkness with a few splotches of blue colors here and there and KNOWING that I may be dead, but NOT CARING. NO EMOTION. just AWARENESS. PURE CONSCIOUSNESS. I remember hearing the nurse scold the doctor saying "DOCTOR! DOCTOR !!" and knowing it was because she saw I had been left under too long. I remember it was meaningless to me. no fear. I was completely comfortable in that dark atmosphere I was in. SO - that having been said - I understand "no desire for liberation" and all the rest of it. when you are pure consciousness it is not necessary. you just "are". or - to quote Jesus - "I am that I am". I get that now. (because of that experience).

[@annacsillag7247]

Under general anaesthetic?

[@thebeesnuts777]

The fact that you experience this just shows your temperament, which appears Good Humans are born unlike many creatures of God, weak, dependent in our early years , our motor senses take time to fine tune We are a more complex creation, amongst majority of life ,(various outputs) many animals are born immediately recognizing their parents call, able to see , able to walk, run, eat , like the gazelle and many others as if they have experienced it before and are born with an understanding of their environment immediately but humans are not So we have been given free choice, to form our own person and enter the next life based upon what we take on in this life, especially forming ones character/ essence, experience, Just my evaluation , as to the meaning of our lifes. And the good news is, war mongers who like to kill people by the various methods, and those who love to earn wealth through the misery of others, and the destruction of the environment , will be placed together for eternity and deal with each other as a nation if they leave this world upon not purifying their weltunshaung Everyone gets rewarded upon what makes them tick

[@virginiakraft8331]

@@annacsillag7247 whatever they give you for oral surgery to put you under. it was in his dental office, not a hospital.

[@DK-sg3oe]

@@virginiakraft8331 yeah they give ketamine yes it produces the out of body experience 😉

[@vai559]

You probably were experiencing depersonalisation

[@melissaglueckskind]

"We are all one" is a belief as much as its opposite "we are separated beings". Any experience can only take place, because of the two sides of the same. Realising the same opens the door to heaven.

[@TheFlyingBrain.]

!!! I had no idea these teachings even existed. I thought I was stuck with no one really getting what I actually mean when I say: ”I'm just here to play in the universe." That from this perspective/me it was always a statement of utmost respect and love. You just changed everything. Thank you so much, Jason.

[@MrSpiritmike]

Hunaman was asked by Rama, "who are you?" Hunaman replied, "when I forget who I am, I serve you. When I remember who I am, I am you."

[@hkumar7340]

🙏🙏🙏

[@siewkonsum7291]

A monk asked a Buddhist Master, Sir, the 10,000 things all go back to One, where does the One go to? 😊 The Master replied, When I was staying in a monastery in Hangzhou, I made a Hemp robe which weighs 3 lbs! 😂

[@Anu-po5ml]

Dear Mike, this is a beautiful quote. I shared this with many of my close people. So Thank you. Where did you find this wonderful quote on hanuman and ram? All love to you ❤️

[@MrSpiritmike]

@@Anu-po5ml it's in the Mahabharata. Reminded me by Ram Dass gave in the movie Fierce Grace.

[@InfinityRealised]

This was a good one, thank you Jason. Your channel is deep, sincere, and in true service to seekers. Too much knowledge and folks become arrogant,self righteous and ego inflated, too little knowledge and a seeker can flounder indefinitely without a good map or sufficient motivation. There is a balance i feel you've hit nicely. You are an asset to those on the Way.Keep up your very good work my friend 🙏😊

[@linnh940]

This!

[@DK-sg3oe]

U have done it, glad ur awareness has reached the pt of no return..... nd now u can lean back unattached n enjoy the life u have without prejudice or rewards just do what needs 2b done, nd go with the flow of life.......... ❤️❤️❤️💯🙏🙏🙏🙏 But ur gifted so I shd say u can certainly b the light 4 others 😂😂

[@innerlight617]

""Once it is realized that it is only a total functioning of the manifest consciousness and there is no individual entity,there will be no question of liberation,of birth or death or of a doer doing anything."~Sri Nisargadatta

[@hiltont9631]

A little of the Byron version is read every morning, takes 5 minutes and it's absolutely fantastic before meditation Great stuff Gregory ran into this work and channel today from suggestions The Supreme always IS 🙏

[@supremereader7614]

I admire you tremendously, Jason, for pursuing this spiritual path so well. Please keep bringing us this sort of stuff and you'll have followers. Maybe you should just set up something for people to become subscribers.

[@JasonGregoryAuthor]

Thank you for your kind support, my friend. I appreciate your words.

[@Rapture270]

Jason, I remember some months ago, me suggesting you to speak about Ashtavakra or Astavakra Gita! Great to see it here! Shanti, Shanti, Shanti, from Bengaluru, Karnataka, India!

[@Supremeintrospection]

Thank you for explaining versions of myself that I could not put into words. I have accepted that there will be no samsara next time around but I’ve also accepted all that there is to gain comes from this moment now until I arrive at the next state after death. Then I’m sure I’ll enter the most blissful state because I can make any state of mind just as blissful. 🙏🏽

[@mzmbq]

It's the first KZbin ad I'm really watching. And crying. Need to figure out why) have a good day everyone. Yo are more than you think you are!

[@raycosmic9019]

Who I am (social self) changes with time, place and circumstance. What I am (essential self), changes with embodiment. Only That I am (core self - being aware of being aware), remains eternally constant, and is that from which who and what I am arise, and that to which they return. I am something, I am nothing, I am everything. We are here to transform our caterpillar psyche into a Butterfly Soul, by integrating our Heart, Mind and Will. When the Heart aspires, the Mind inquires and the Will conspires (combines). The insight of the Mind that inspires the aspiration of the Heart, together generate the the power of the Will to take corresponding action toward the fulfillment of the Heart's aspiration. What appears as separate is in Reality, Continuum of Being. Love is the recognition of our shared Being. Love = For(ce). May the For(ce) be with you! Namaste'.

[@Orland013]

The concepts explanied in this video are new to me. I never thought there would be something beyond enlightenment. Thank you for your sincere and profound work.

[@Tarotainment]

What most call enlightened is the stage of initiate in other traditions

[@richardharper831]

I CANNOT thank you enough Jason for introducing me to these texts!!!

[@wmbedsole1]

Glad I found this channel. I subscribed, I am currently reading the Bhagavad Gita, second time now. First time I did not understand it. I do now, so glad I found your channel. Namaste

[@streamdr1499]

Good job, KZbin algo...today, you did 'a good thing'. And I am grateful. Nice upload, thanks so much for sharing. I feel pretty sure I'll be coming back for more

[@tobinharris8107]

Beyond words indeed. This made me remember the Paramitas~transcendent actions. Thank you J.

[@lucerostudio369]

Well I’m no where ready for this book … Sincerely Thankful I found Your channel Jason & Your reading list … 🙏🏽

[@PhillyTaiChi]

Absolutely one of the highest caliber texts out there. Beyond Duality / Non-Duality. Direct, profound and parallels the Taoist ideal.of non-doing. Fundamentally, the ocean of awareness. I enjoyed your spirited commentary, obviously one of your favorites ;)

[@bitkurd]

That’s correct but you are here in the physical form to experience contrast and suffering. Once you accept it then everything is just a thing, everything is just fun.

[@yupdup9643]

the highest truths are the simplest. this is the most (or only🤔) logical spiritual thing i have heard. subscribing to brother! thank you

[@jasonpacific5661]

Such precious supreme reminders - thank you so much. Yes...we are Formless Beingness that Shines Forever 🌟

[@XerxesIsHisCharade]

So good. Thanks Jason. I'm ready for this! (My jiva thinks it's ready anyway 🤣)

[@NoOne-fe8qt]

Loved the ending too .... a modern take from a mature Ashtavakra soul on the Shanti chant.

[@jillb6543]

Thank you Jason, this is exactly what I was questioning myself about today 🙏✨🙏 😊

[@WonderinWonderer]

Wow how amazing this channel is and the lessons/reminders that are given. Thank you🙏🏼🌅

[@hashijouzu]

Thanks for this video. So much of the text and dialogue surrounding awakening is geared for the "before" and not much for the "after". I've you dive more into the book in subsequent videos and podcasts, I'll be sure to watch. Also, I've been following your channel for quite a while now, and was wondering if you were planning to do any guided meditations. Would love to experience your approach. Thank you for everything.

[@JasonGregoryAuthor]

Thank you my dear friend. Possibly in the future.

[@basantagurung369]

Good work man appreciate your work and study

[@basantagurung369]

Actually I'm from Nepal my mom is Hindu Santanni and my dad is Buddhist my grandfather was a shaman from bon tradition and really the important thing is actually teaching which is a perfect wisdom which helps us to understand any thing that is existing and non existing physical nature non physical nature which is non dual in nature....pure bliss and emptiness 🤍

[@teeniequeenie8369]

I just love your videos so much…thank you.

[@joediamo4322]

thank you this is the Avaita vedanta ( listen to Ramana or Nisargadatta .. and even the non dual teaching of Joel Goldsmith or Meister Eckhart Thanks again for putting out their for those who are ready for it!

[@davidgodshall2535]

Keep up the great work Jason!

[@helenmt5575]

My first time hearing about this. Very interesting but too many new words I don’t understand but I think I understand the concept. Thank You

[@bhargavikn4320]

New subscriber here, thank you for the wonderful content

[@pankajbisht7813]

Hey Jason thanks man making this possible... Thanks sir...

[@smashingtwoscoops4999]

Man Jason, your videos stopped showing up on my scroll..I'm so happy I found your channel again. I have some catching up to do. Lol You do great on these topics! Much enjoyed and appreciated ❤🙏

[@JasonGregoryAuthor]

Great to see you back my friend. Yeah KZbin will do that sometimes. Not sure why. Make sure you hit the bell and turn on all notifications for my channel. Hopefully you won't miss anything then.

[@AdemUstadem]

You doing good job brother.

[@dr.netalkar]

Your videos are great Jason and I like all of them. Just one suggestion in this video you say all the time ASTAVARKA and that's why I was confused. Please correct it to ASTAVAKRA. Om Shanti.

[@JasonGregoryAuthor]

Thank you for your kind words, my friend. I am actually saying it correctly. I am saying Ashtavakra. I'm confused that you don't hear it that way. Maybe you have trouble with my accent.

[@josesantana27]

Nameste Jason. Absolutely love the video and your insight. I am truly appreciative and grateful for your generosity in sharing this beautiful Wisdom (The Way).

[@sallyhepburn]

‘You’re not really here, you’re the ONE on the consul’.; Less words, more space.🙏

[@alexanders9010]

Beautiful Thank you Exactly what’s been missing and waiting for in my misunderstanding of what to do next Just let go and enjoy the symphony of life instead of being the player of the instruments.

[@Jane_88888]

Wow. Simple and profound.

[@kenpogodan]

Rumi "Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field. I'll meet you there. When the soul lies down in that grass, the world is too full to talk about. Ideas, language, even the phrase "each other" doesn't make any sense."

[@Ma93nta174]

I found the way with the aid of the medicine Buddha following a clinical near death experience due to exertional sunstroke in China in 04. Alan Watts called it sudden enlightment. To me the truly enlightening thing though was discovering the haritaki and then meeting my twin flame. Though even that's being transcended somewhat as I speak, because I'm withdrawing from crappy pharma which I've been on and off since the spiritual rebirth. Thanks for your video. I shan't pretend I understand it all but I find it inspiring to hear all the same.

[@anxdesign]

That was very enlightening, thank you.

[@bestwitch2931]

That is a brilliant way of putting it, our jiva is basically afraid of dying because it doesn’t know that it’s eternal and so it keeps holding on to Samsara out of terror and because maybe some part of the jiva hopes it can have a better life if it just holds on a little longer

[@henryguthery5311]

Much love ❤️

[@sharatsharma8273]

The ultimate truth.Why would a liberated seek liberation.Identification with the body,maya,duality. Very nicely explained.Identify with the real nature of atman,brahman-non duality.There lies the source of truth-Anand. Very good & very important video.Even now if one does not rise above kaam,krodh,moh,lobh,bhaya,eersha,then you are foolishly rooted in the false dualism. Thanks for the video.Will be watching more of you.👌

[@Thejumelot]

Always such a moment of pleasure to listen to your teachings and sharings, Jason, thanks so much! I have ordered your book and it will be on a shelf with many other Masters'! (and can't wait to read it first of course :)

[@eddiehughes371]

Awesome knowledge 👍

[@jg3381]

Well said about the ultimate reality.

[@ezreality]

Another great video Thanks Jason One becomes Whole, when One can square the circle...

[@233asha]

Soo true. Now understand this. Sai Baba reminds us again

[@thymeparzival]

Enlightenment is only the beginning of the journey.

[@ArkansasGamer]

Jason, I have your book and am currently reading it. Excellent work! I was just wondering if you had any other must read recommendations you'd like to share? Thank you 🙏

[@JasonGregoryAuthor]

Great to hear from you brother. I have plenty of recommendations. If you go to my website I have a growing list of recommended books. Here you go jasongregory.org/recommended-books/

[@ArkansasGamer]

@@JasonGregoryAuthor thank you so much!

[@grphanindra]

Please try to get a book on Yoga Vasistha. Where Lord Rama is explained about the "Atma".

[@ArkansasGamer]

@@grphanindra thank you! I will try and find a book like that. Question, do you think orgasm should ever be permitted between you and your partner outside of procreational sex?

[@raycosmic9019]

Being aware of being aware aligns us with the Absolute. Once the journey to the Absolute ends, the journey in, with, by, for and as the Absolute begins. It is our identification with the temporal that obscures our portion of the Eternal. What appears as separate is in Reality, Continuum of Being.

[@craighicksartwork]

Great video

[@accelwell7018]

Instantly subscribed

[@jasonc8910]

Thank you.

[@metasamsara]

But there will always be wisdom to improve upon and share, that is independent from awakening of the self. It is wisdom turned into technology.

[@johnc.6645]

Jason I'm completely unfamiliar with this teaching. This is very interesting Brother. I was wondering, if Atman and Brahman are the same, which one is best meditating on? Anyway I know you're very busy with your projects now, and thanks Brother for sharing these wisdoms.

[@JasonGregoryAuthor]

You're the man, John. Great to hear from you. Meditating on either is sufficient since they are one and the same. Or even better is to bring your mind back into emptiness, since that is the essence of the ultimate reality.

[@rameshwarrodge3674]

Jason your teaching leading seekers to realisation,so plz keep it up with blessing,thanking from heart

[@DK-sg3oe]

Atman is the one that what ur and Brahman u can say the awareness that I am that I am that which is what everyone or everything else is... SO Basically u r true awareness of what u r.... So no attachments no desires no duality no matter what anymore from here so death and life all r one just the distance nd time which seperate you from that it is just a notion like ur thought principally when ur in this body that throws up as

[@dendennis9060]

Thank U, infinite intelligence. ♾

[@JW-mq1lc]

Brilliant.

[@marioduddu471]

This is something important 👍

[@LOGICZOMBIE]

GREAT WORK

[@brucecoe1908]

Ahhh soooodaska. I remember first attaining the state of nothing now presence. The void and Vail of existence. The now. The Toa. The Present The eternal space of creation The pre sent moment. Plummeted within the concious space of reality. I love this awareness. This shift. God bless America and nowhere else.

[@vinny-lp5qv]

isn't enlightenment an everyday process not the end of a spiritual path kind of thing? Great channel ! slowly their is a little more clarity as i listen to your channel and others thanx so much!

[@vinny-lp5qv]

sorry its a dumb question from a true amateur! But meditation has become so much more to me after some time and I just cant explain it, not in words any way! But i am a little intimidated by the ancient texts ! i should just walk slowly clearly something has opened my eyes and i will just leave it at that!

[@goldenpeanuts9]

@@vinny-lp5qv you might Injoy the infinite way by Joel S Goldsmith

[@vinny-lp5qv]

@@goldenpeanuts9 thanx i will look into it!

[@handinhandforthegambia215]

thank you

[@hjvjccc]

Hey. New subscriber. . Just wondering if you have any insight or knowledge about the snakes?

[@ArkansasGamer]

Thank you so much 🙏

[@davidgreene805]

Very interesting overall, although it strikes me that the Soul/true self is indeed eager for 'liberation' especially in that it wishes to return to nirvana, rather than be in samsara.

[@hybridgoth]

For this very reason I also consider the wish of many self proclaimed enlightened people to escape the "burden" of reincarnation to be akin to the same. They appear to be of the mind that life is inherently something attached to suffering, thus, their goal is to escape the reality of a physical existence. Personally I would strive to enjoy existing with or without any expectations of reincarnation, as far as I can perceive... I seems more fitting that one may appreciate existence in all it's glory by accepting what is as it is without focus on the future, whether it be the future of the body or the soul. I should thank you for sharing this message with us. As always, you've delivered us food for thought in an easily digestible fashion considering the complex nature of the subject. 🙂

[@pereinarolsson3928]

Yes when I stop identifying myself with the physical body and start identify myself with the self I am liberated from life and death - yes that must be the state of I am....

[@demogadget]

Hi there :). Do you have any advice for ancient advaita read material from newbie until after awakening. What are books that you think are a must read. And in what order to read. Thanks Greetings from Holland.

[@joeymiami]

Watching this video inspired this thought. Duality vs Oneness. It is the dualistic-nature of the soup we live in that is the cause of our joys and sorrows, exhilarations and pains. Beyond that duality matrix is the state of oneness. A state of indifference, void of judgement, void of good or evil, void of religions, void of attachments and even void of love. A state of absolute deprivation of emotion-driven thoughts or actions. A biologically impossible state as it is beyond the nature of light itself. Indeed it is the state of God.

[@hjvjccc]

No..love is the ultimate reality. Not something to get beyond. Pretending these things dont exist and you are beyond them is a false understanding of the true conditiin of existence.

[@Garganzuul]

There was a time before there was a sense of self. A time before time began. Once when we were children we discovered a separate sense of self and fell in love with it, because it was a double blessing. - We are loved both with condition and without. It was only later that shame and guilt accumulated, and later still pain and survival. Yet, shame can be transmuted and so can be done with guilt. This requires discernment, without which the self is a slave to karma. It remains to be seen if we can become free of pain and the needs of survival. If it is possible, then the struggle is over and we may resume the business of simply being, forever in grace.

[@sharatsharma8273]

Subscribed

[@thara8310]

No words ❤️🙏

[@KumarsGaming]

तो आज मुझे पता चला कि यह भारत के बाहर भी पढ़ा जाता हैं। मुझे गर्व हैं। परब्रह्म के बारे में लेकिन ज्ञान इसमें काफी कम हैं।

[@sonyasunheart]

I Am that I Am 💜🙏🌈💎

[@billzepp69]

Thanks for mentioning this it was a good book. In the beginning it says something about forgiving. So it makes me wonder what is forgiving is it not dual. And what does it mean to hold a thought that has judgment in it. Which you must do before you can forgive.

[@ketherwhale6126]

The Hunaman quote is the secret. But, it can throw you for a loop because you no longer” fit” in the old paradigms because this is the revision of all revisions.

[@krishnanarine9770]

Thanks Sir

[@gracapimentel9534]

Gregory 🧡

[@Mhlanguli_Marambana]

He's not here nor there, really deep . To someone who hasn't had the inner experience this wouldn't make any sense to them .

[@kathyprior4281]

If your soul or the atman is already enlightened, why do many spiritual teachers talk about the soul having to amend karma/bad deeds from previous lifetimes and feeling guilty when the soul reviews its physical life after death? Many say we have to merge into God by first breaking free of reincarnation. Why would we have to merge into God/Brahman when we are part of it already? Is reincarnation the soul's choice or is it an endless binding loop until the person realizes they are not the self?

[@agypsyrover]

thank you Jason ji, where can I buy this book brother?

[@JasonGregoryAuthor]

It is available many places online my friend. Advaita Ashrama books would likely be the best price. Thank you.

[@LaurenDelsackAstrologer]

@@JasonGregoryAuthor can also find free pdf online to download. Google it, you will find.

[@BrooksKirkbride]

Yes, a traditional communication similar to, Adi Da Samraj’s “Teaching Manual of Perfect Summaries”…

[@louisbouillon2066]

I'm so puzzled after this , I don't what to think about buddhism now ...

[@iamwhatyouareyouarewhatiam6613]

I needed to hear this and love the recommendation. But ... maybe I needed nothing at all.

[@melvynasplett3399]

This helps me understand when I was on the other side and someone asked me to volunteer to go down and help the soles on this earth plane. I was still a person with a different body but still the same as an earthly body. And so the plot thickens. .?

[@andrewjewell3142]

So the ultimate goal is to break this birth and death cycle and become one with Brahman/ Tao thanks for your great work Jason

[@Tarotainment]

Kinda. You are always 9ne with the tao. It is all there is. There is nothing else

[@waldwassermann]

@@Tarotainment Correct; hence why non-attachment is also a fallacy... it's all about recognizing why 'the tao' appears differentiated to itself; it is then one (the tao) realizes its very own purpose... companionship, friendship, love.

[@KarlRKaiser]

The words "realization" and "enlightenment" are so overused that most people do not know what they mean when THEY use them. There are degrees of spiritual growth and we rarely find people understanding these degrees and then applying them to consider the experience and wisdom of any person claimed to be enlightened. Everyone who seems a little more spiritually mature than we are is labelled "enlightened". The best source I've found on this is the writings of Adi Da Samraj, who also addresses the Ashtavakra Gita. He has exhaustively described the "seven stages" or phases of spiritual realization, and with a clarity that shows he is not theorizing or expounding philosophy, but describing what is self-evident to him in his own condition. His writings obviate trying to make sense out of ancient texts from cultures very different from our own. Read whatever you want but if you start with Adi Da you'll spend years absorbing over 10,000 pages of insight on spirituality, and save time reading lesser works or trying to understand modern translations of texts from ancient cultures.

[@MassiveLib]

What is here before enlightenment is that which is here after enlightenment.

[@ketherwhale6126]

Metamopsychosis happens every time you fall asleep. It doesn’t just happen at death. Once lack leaves and acceptance brings comfort you are done the journey. You are realized.

[@nkrishnamurthy5954]

I always wondered, it is ok if some superior power created me, but how is it that IT can mesmerise me into believing that I AM. Then it occurred to me after a thousand agonising times that my thinking that I AM is actually a fraud committed on me. Like one who cut off the chain with an iron ball tied to one's leg and became free, I threw away this I concept, this me, myself, etc. and became free. As the Guru of Adi Shankara said, no one is born, so no one is dying as the world is an illusion. Rene Descartes said 500 years ago, "I think, therefore I am." If only he could have accessed Upanishads!!

[@abhishekghosh4384]

Srividya goes even beyond.

[@horustexclyps3539]

"no words is to deep to be meaningful, no words is to cheap to have no value, even a bark of a dog have it's own purpose." Once again, it's not about "Understanding", it's about "Purpose", teaching is a "Tool" for you to "Shaping" your "World", it's not "You" nor the "Right" "Thing's" to be "Justified". "if someone teach you how to swim(some style), you still need to do the swim(the style) to master it, once you master it, you will decide to like the swim(the style) or not, but you do like to swim, that's why you learn(seeker) it."

[@alanarcher]

Thank you for this, but I honestly find it very, very hard to believe there can be a permanent self of any kind whatsoever - be it in the world or in ourselves. It seems to me that the mere concept contradicts itself.

[@KarlRKaiser]

Why would one read anything "after enlightenment"? to make sure they are really enlightened?