The Sensible Option - Core i7-13700K vs. Ryzen 7 7700X, Benchmarks, Power & Thermals

[@RaVeN1K]

Past: "Look you can overclock your Chips so you get more performance!" Now: "Look you can undervolt your Chips so you don't need an AC in mid December!"

[@OscyJack-]

Hahahahaha

[@jodiepalmer2404]

Australian are you?

[@RamonInNZ]

​@@jodiepalmer2404 December in Australia is summer.... aircon is needed to stay alive...

[@jodiepalmer2404]

@@RamonInNZ I know because I live in Broken Hill. Summer here is usually between 40 degrees Celsius and 50 degrees Celsius. Christmas is around or near the 40 degrees Celsius

[@rENEGADE666JEDI]

@@jodiepalmer2404 lol :D

[@VerdASMR]

I live for the 12 game average charts and the price per frame charts. Great video, can't wait for the 13600k video

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Thanks mate, we're wrapping the 13600K review up now, it will be online tomorrow.

[@duck6966]

@@Hardwareunboxed how fast are you?

[@Tailslol]

the thing is even the 13600k is close to the 7700x in perfs and intel is a bit cheaper too.

[@Dexiefy]

@@Hardwareunboxed Now that is the review I am waiting on. Just like 12600k, I expect 13600k to be the actually great CPU of the generation.

[@NGreedia]

tech deals reviewed the 13600k and I'm really tempted as my next processor a 13600KF/13600K. despite same price as 7600x, I'd choose it easily over the AMD counterpart.

[@XaviarCraig]

The only thing missing is to see how much faster the 13700K is over the 12700K at the same power consumption!

[@saricubra2867]

That is a good perfomance per watt increase like the i5

[@davidjones5059]

we also missing the rest of Zen 4 lineup - 3D v-cache CPUs

[@amazingamazigh6847]

@@davidjones5059 zen 4 x3d cpu are not yet out. Probably in 2023

[@BudgetGamerz]

@An Equal lol

[@stardust9329]

Exactly.... I have a 12700k I'm not sure if I wanna jump ship to the 13700k and have it running at 100 degrees lmao, you have to tweak the cpu, power limit it to avoid the 100 degree mark in workloads

[@dirtmcgurty]

You guys and your videos are the sensible option! Keep up the great work.

[@t1e6x12]

@@Mr.Morden He never said anything about the 13700k

[@Mr.Morden]

@@t1e6x12 The title of the video is The Sensible Option - Core i7-13700K vs. Ryzen 7 7700X, Benchmarks, Power & Thermals. Also 17:45 places the 13700K at the top of the chart for price/performance of this generation 13th/7000.

[@t1e6x12]

@@Mr.Morden O

[@mario_luis_dev]

I was REALLY torn between the 7700X and the 13700K, and I decided not to wait for Raptor Lake's launch and pulled the trigger on the 7700X. These benchmarks confirm that I did make the right choice. Basically the two chips trade blows from game to game, but all while the 7700X consuming A LOT LESS power :) Using the Curve Optimizer and setting some PBO limits, I have the 7700X running at 5.5Ghz on all cores almost at all time, all while consuming under 89W and at less than 69C. I would NEVER be able to achieve this performance with the 13700K.

[@alrizo1115]

Wether Intel or amd, it's still a good choice, my friend

[@MrBashem]

@Dirk Jefferson Lucky people who don't need to worry about that I guess. Real problem for me. Room has stupid wiring I can't do anything about.

[@ShaoZapomnit]

@Dirk Jefferson Coming from the 290X to 5600XT, It made me realize how cozy I could be in my room without worrying about heat. I went with the conscious choice of a 6950XT since it was the most power efficient GPU that gave me the best perf relative to heat even if I'm still at 1080p.

[@OC.TINYYY]

Lmao, bruh. The 13700K destroys it. Unless you ment the 7900X? Hate to say it but you clearly made the wrong choice. $399 from Microcenter for a 13700K is crazy value. 7700X is probably the worst in AMDs line up for value to performance. It's like comparing a 12700K to a 5800X, the 12700K is clearly the better CPU but was more expensive. Now they are relatively the same price w/ a 13700K & 7700X. No one in their right mind is picking a 7700X over a 13700K unless it's a 6 liter or under SFF build. In the same way no one is going to pick a 7600X over a 13600K (the 12600K competed in price & performance against a 5800X). AMD is literally one SKU lower in value & performance against both the 13700K & 13600K.

[@lukeearthcrawler896]

Actually, things are a bit more complicated. The power consumption you're seeing is only limited to high MT productivity loads. In gaming, the i9-13900K runs at 120W average, NOT 300W. The i7-13700K will draw even less. In idle and/or light loads like web browsing and Office tasks, the i9-1300K is MORE efficient than the Ryzen 7000 series because in this case it only uses its E cores, not P cores. So overall, averaging over normal usage (idle + light tasks + gaming + heavy productivity loads) the 13th gen Intel CPUs and the Ryzen 7000 are comparable.

[@ZWortek]

Can't tell you much I appreciate the "XX game averages" at different resolutions and the value propositions (benchmarks too obv). Between Hardware Unboxed and Gamers Nexus I feel like I get a pretty solid picture of product performance and value in a short period of time.

[@SpitfireSpud]

Another fantastic video on the latest tech! Appreciate the hard work you guys are doing with the new CPU/GPUs. 👍

[@frankieinjapan]

It's crazy how close these 2 cpu generations are this time around

[@jeffreypaul9428]

Crazy good for competition, i.e. us!

[@ChiquitaSpeaks]

Ryzen more energy efficient during workloads but less efficient during idle, Pretty sure during gaming workloads not much difference

[@wardraven8755]

Whats crazy is how many ppl over look the fact that intel has to overclock there inferior cpu’s just to compete with AMD i can’t wait for intell to get to the same architecture as amd thats when the real competition starts im betting they will be the same.

[@GuyGamer1]

@@wardraven8755 Every single modern CPU is boosted to their limits from stock. Ryzen is basically impossible to overclock, they're already pushing max clocks from the start. Just because Intels chips are less power efficient doesn't mean they're "overclocked".

[@reinhardtwilhelm5415]

Wouldn’t say that, the 13900K and 7950X are competitive, but other than that, Raptor Lake just slaughters Zen 4.

[@hardwarevsgaming]

The core i7 series has always been the more "sensible" option if you want a more powerful CPU than the i5, but not as expensive as an i9. Remember "i7" used to be the flagship model. Wait a few months and prices are more acceptable.

[@LetsPlayBojangles]

Exactly, the i7 is still the high end of what consumers would ever need. The i9 is to price gouge people who have silly amounts of money and only want to very best.

[@kongxiong6005]

I have to disagree I think the I-5 k series is actually the best bang. Not much difference between that and the i7. What two performance cores for an extra 120. And a little bit more cash that's about it. 13 600 k is best

[@nikosensei1258]

I7 cost twice i5 but not twice performance or core count. Imo i5 is sweetspot.

[@xslvrxslwt]

@@kongxiong6005 There is a HUGE difference between 13600K and 13700K. 13700K beats both 5950x and 7900x and 13600K doesn't 😜 If you're already shopping for the new hardware, buy the one that beats previous gen king for not so much $

[@thefilmdirector1]

@@kongxiong6005 big wrong. More cores and threads matter. It mattered back in the 4 core 8 thread i7 days. And even more so now.

[@NightBreakerDK]

The 5800x3D... What a gem. Its almost the 1080ti of CPU's

[@saricubra2867]

"1080Ti of CPUs" Nah, with the 4090, the lack of cores and threads shows. The 1080Ti is the Ryzen 9 5950X due to the efficency alone.

[@yuh861]

@@saricubra2867 “the lack of cores and threads shows” What? It shows by beating a 12900k DDR5 and 13700K DDR4 in the 12 game average for both 1080p and 1440p? You’re delusional

[@saricubra2867]

@@yuh861 With cherrypicked bar graphs.

[@yuh861]

@@saricubra2867 Bro what 😂 literally some of the most relevant games out at the moment. If you want to refresh your memory on how much of a beast the X3D is go watch their 40 game average video. Seems to me like you’re either jealous or you made a shitty purchase that you regret 🤣 L

[@yuh861]

@@saricubra2867 and I’m not sure why you’re even mentioning the 5950x when it’s getting manhandled by 40fps in gaming benchmarks

[@rastislavbodorik]

I don't really undestand that platform cost. Why it is for Ryzen DDR5 6000 priced at $290 and for Rator Lake DDR5 6400 priced at $200? What am I missing?

[@Blafard666]

You guys doing the best value comparaison on KZbin !

[@Tepnox]

Still impressive, how much muscle the Ryzen 7 5800X3D shows in games. This is still the best CPU choice for gaming to stay on AM4-platform with DDR4.

[@omarcomming722]

Most def, still waiting on it to fall down in price as 450€ in my area is too high

[@jewishlifematters]

ZEN 3 is such good value now too,5600/X for 144$/193$ and 5700X for 225$. also the 3600 is 136$. also don't forget there are a ton of ex-mining cards on ebay for 50~300$ that can play modern games without too much compromise. and cards like the 6700 and 6650xt are at 400~300$,it is possible to build a 1440P60/1080P144 PC for 750$. there is no need to pay more then 1000$ unless you are an enthusiast/content creator.

[@Gazer75]

@@omarcomming722 Only way that happens is if the 7700X get a price cut as well I think.

[@AlfaPro1337]

Because Evil Su just took a R7 5800X and glued stacked cache to it? Nothing new, we have seen a simple increased in cache size yields in performance increase.

[@theplayerofus319]

@@AlfaPro1337 its a great gaming cpu even doe its 1 gen old but competes in gaming. Thats what he meant lol what are you even talking about

[@paultapper9300]

With such small percentage differences for FPS, power consumption is now what will tick my boxes.(5800x3d looking like the gaming winner for frames per watt)

[@donquijote6030]

Same. Given the ridiculous prices for virtually everything computer related over the last three years, the best option seems to be the 5800x3d. I can save money by reusing my motherboard, memory, and hard drives and splurge on the processor and video card.

[@stewenw4120]

Absolutely. And if you go with an intel / Nvidia system the additional cost of electricity get kind of significant (over a year) in comparison to an all AMD system.

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

Most people don't have a 3090 or better, so all of these cpus will perform the same anyway. Nobody who spends this much will play at 1080p either. People don't seem to understand any of this

[@MLWJ1993]

The 5800X3D is actually still not that great considering most people won't have a super high-end GPU or run 1080p ~medium settings. There's not going to be a stark difference from 5600/12400 onwards and those parts definitely use less power by simply not having to power many cores.

[@wayward03]

@@tuckerhiggins4336 some do, but it's the only way to show the difference in cpu performance besides production which most people don't do.

[@vertigo1055]

I loved the comparisons with the Memory in the charts. This has been the 1 single sticking point to my decision on a total platform upgrade this year (hopefully barring availability of parts). I now feel that going with a DDR5 system will be my best approach and it gives me at least 1 component that will remain valid in the 2 to 3 years before my next upgrade. I was debating the 13900K, and with the ability to power limit the CPU to 180W (a power target I think will be adequate), to get a decent priced top performer. This review has changed my mind and the 13700K I feel is going to be the sweet spot for me. Cheers! Stay Healthy and Stay Sane!

[@kramnull8962]

If you already had DDR4 I don't think it was that much difference performance wise. Using DDR4 3600 I beat his R23 DDR5 numbers. Both single run and 10 minute run. R23 single run: 31,191 Single core: 2,141 10 minute run: 30,706

[@alexdevcamp]

This has convinced me to get a 7600X. It's roughly on par but cheaper even with full platform costs.

[@OC.TINYYY]

Why? The 13600K destroys both the 7600X & 7700X in value & performance. Let alone the 13700K which more or less takes the win vs a 7900X for much cheaper. Factor in 50% less MB costs (Z690) & the option to go DDR4, you're saving around 300-400 over AM5 with much better performance. Comments like these baffle me.

[@nipa5961]

Good choice! I'll most likely build a 7700X system when prices have went down to more reasonable regions.

[@TheBURBAN111]

@@OC.TINYYY *fanboyism* is why these comments exist... people pick the slower more expensive product because of the brand lol.

[@Osprey850]

@@TheBURBAN111 That's just brand loyalty. Fanboyism is when you attack or laugh at people for not choosing what you chose or would choose.

[@AdadG]

@@OC.TINYYY Easy, fanboy, did you hear Steve in the last part of the video? The platform has a long path of compatibility and this almost certanly is the last DDR4 hurrah, the B650 exists, and surely he want just to play videogames. There are many use cases.

[@davidjones5059]

Thank you for the review, I will buy 7700X (or even 7800X3D later)

[@Axatron]

Buyers should take into consideration that ryzen 7000 series is just the first generation on AM5. These mobos are expensive but will last for more.

[@rustler08]

Not to mention that when they drop the 7000X3D, which we know from the 5800X3D will absolutely crush Intel and AMD's other offerings in gaming, you don't have to replace anything. Same thing for 9000 series. Meanwhile, 14th gen Intel will require a new MoBo. So, unless you already own an LGA1700 Mobo buying into the LGA1700 for just 13th gen is a terrible decision. Buy AM5, get most of the performance with less power consumption, then get another 2 generations of CPUs worth of upgrades on the same platform.

[@RokuX51]

@@rustler08 idk about that. Waste of money to upgrade CPU in just 2 or even 3 generations. If you buy 13th gen now or current zen 4 / 7000x3d you shouldn't really need to upgrade your CPU anymore until AM6 is out anyways. So just buy what you think is the best rn and not what you want to spend more money on a CPU on in just a few years. So the lga1700 being on the last year doesn't really matter. And honestly it is a bit of a pro too as we know it's been tested and optimized to be the best and without problems right now.

[@robertjif6337]

we have to start including real power supply requirement for each upgrade at this point

[@pietrmuffei8874]

350w CPU is like a 3080 Ti. So 850w is barely enough.

[@Chrontard]

what for? just avoid intel and nvidia

[@robertjif6337]

@@Chrontard amd stuff are more expensive than intel or nvidia in my place

[@SwervinSpliffs27]

You guys are my go-to for benchmarks. Always honest and to the point! Cheers brothers

[@volatilelyle5170]

I'm looking to build a completely new pc. That 5800X3D looks really good

[@HasimFN]

Lol

[@leyterispap6775]

really appreciating the MASSIVE workhours u spend on these benchmarks.bloody excellent work..

[@XAB0R]

For Intel, I imagine the 13600k will be the best gaming value for overclockers and the 13400 will be the value king. For AMD the 5800X3D is still my pick for low power and great framerate.

[@torukmahtomahto409]

Best move for cpu gaming upgrade.. gamers are looking for Gpus in first place..

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

think 13100f will be the next value king, depends on the perf though, although yeah 13400f and upwards most likely all better than 5800x3d

[@r3tr0c0e3]

everything below 13600 is just rebadged alder lake, so might as well pick the previous gen if it's cheaper

[@ssaini5028]

13400 is just a rebranded Alderlake

[@davidjones5059]

that's not all 7000 CPUs, the best gaming is coming soon 7800X3D 😄

[@vlad9vt]

Will the i7-13700KF processor work on the Z-690 A motherboard?

[@Hyperdriveuk]

With energy prices exploding in the UK- the intel cpus are untouchable due to their energy consumption... which is a pity (for intel).

[@rockyyz89]

5800x3d, feeling good now buying it 2 weeks ago 😊

[@ChrisMisMYhandle]

I picked one up a few months ago. Massive performance gains, no additional hardware upgrades required, same windows install. The fact that it trades blows with current gen offerings with great efficiency is the cherry on top. I play escape from tarkov and the 3d cache is the main factor in this title

[@podcastlvr5689]

I'm super happy with my new 5800x3d. Such great performance on video games.

[@Kaygoooo]

Only if you want to upgrade on exsisting AM4 platform. For newcomers 13600K is far better option for 70$ less. Also 13700KF for 30$ more provide much more power in multi core workloads.

[@TVAlien]

@@Kaygoooo considering the used market, this is still not a bad chip to build for. 5800x3d has enough for light productivity and great for gaming. DDR4 to boot.

[@podcastlvr5689]

@@Kaygoooo True, but in my situation this was the cheapest option with great gains. My last CPU was an Intel i7 7700k, I was able to reuse everything except a motherboard. Based on the graphs and my experience with my games, I'm looking at the same or better performance than the i7 13700k.

[@selohcin]

Steve is a great example of overclocked human performance. Thanks, Steve.

[@MrCalagon]

Thanks, Steve. Ah man, that'll never get old. So, back to you Steve.

[@darktriad8773]

I find all the new computer parts expensive. The 13700k is £500 in the UK! I remember buying the 6700k for £330 and that was the fastest consumer CPU at the time. If you play at 4k the 12100f is good enough.

[@MrZodiac011]

Depends, if you have a 4090 then you'll want a newer i7/i9 or R7/R9 even at 4k

[@j78823]

depends. if u got 3070 yes.

[@johntotten4872]

@@MrZodiac011 He would not be complaining about a few hundred dollars more on Cpu prices if he could afford a $1600 4090....

[@andersjjensen]

Considering how much mileage I got out of my B450 board (going from 2700X to 5950X) I think I'm going to take the leap of faith some time next year and go with AM5. Once B650E starts hitting reasonable prices and seriously fast Gen5 NVMe drives are out I'm really tempted to just pitch my system as is (including the 6700XT) and go with the 7950X and 7700XT.

[@jaja8639]

@@anthonylong5870 Are you even from this world? Are you seeing the benchmarks? Wtf, dude, are you just Intel fanboy?

[@hectortroy8671]

@@anthonylong5870 where has AMD admitted this? 😂 Their event isn't even until November 3rd

[@AkshatSTR8EDGE]

Havent felt the need to upgrade my 8700 just yet but the 13700k has really got me questioning my thoughts 😅

[@android175]

Lol i had an 8700 non k and i pulled the plug. Massive improvement 😅

[@AkshatSTR8EDGE]

@@android175 i am waiting for the non k🤣 power draw matters 😅

[@AkshatSTR8EDGE]

@@android175 we chose the right processor all those years ago cheers mate.

[@android175]

@@AkshatSTR8EDGE Im thinking of undervolting. I live im socal and the heat is no joke. Yes we did, boss CPU it was to this day lol.

[@AkshatSTR8EDGE]

@@android175 what gpu are you on right now? Also did you upgrade the psu? Currently on a 3070 and waiting for the non k variant.

[@MagnumSeven]

Always my go to creators for trusted reviews. With this new generation of AMD, I'm looking forward to a memory scaling video between the 7700X and the 7950X. Cheers!

[@JonathanS89]

I’ll keep my 12700K, I wanted to go 13700K just to “max” out my motherboard with the newest gen but the thermals just kills that for me. I game at 1440p Ultrawide so CPU gains are minor. For the work that I do GPU power is what matters

[@wolfman011000]

On amazon uk today 22/10/2022 the Core i7-13700K is £529.99 and the Ryzen 7 7700X is £428.69, even factoring in the cost of a new mobo+ram the Ryzen 7 7700X wins imho of the ongoing costs of power. With power cost rises of x2 to x4 and no real end insight makes the one off costs less of a concern compared to the running costs now and in the future. Thanks for the review it has made my choices clearer, take care, God bless one and all.

[@vMaxHeadroom]

11 days later and the 13700K is at 469 GBP so 60 GBP saving for just waiting a few days...for games the power is roughly the same and with running at stock on pro workloads offset against the performance to power again it even outs as both can be undervolted/power limited if required. Even with rising power cost and yes living in the UK it has gone up steeply but now capped and hopefully they get ther act together and start building some mixed (nuclear/solar/wind etc) power generation things should be okay oh and hoefully the war in Ukraine ends! but overall the additional power usage over a year would be miniscule between the 2 CPU's...The real bonus on Ryzen 7000 is the AM5 platform longevity...

[@callmekitt]

Thank you so much for the hatd work. Mustve been some crazy days.

[@KryssN1]

Cheers from Poland and thanks for the review. Would love to see more Ray Tracing benchmarks for DDR4 vs DDR5 scaling.

[@lordofthemfl9899]

@ozicryptoMore specific : god of war test while 823 background furry p*rn playing. Ram would be important 🥸

[@KryssN1]

@ozicrypto Just curious, cause it Seems like RayTracing games favor ddr5.

[@jamegumb7298]

@@KryssN1 I suspect quad channel and DirectStorage would help it more.

[@Wasmachineman]

@@lordofthemfl9899 Imagine unironically censoring the word "porn", christ al-fucking mighty what has the world come to.

[@worldkat1393]

Ah yes in the 12 titles that have RT, very important.

[@jellorelic]

Possible consideration - maybe add the cooler to the Total System Cost part of the review. While the 13700 here isn't as bad as the 13900.. it's still throttling on a 360mm AIO. That addition *really* sinks the value prop vs a 5600x or something similar, and possibly even the Ryzen 7000 series once we get some more data on how it performs across different coolers.

[@jjlw2378]

That's because HUB is using ridiculous AUTO voltages. After 5mins in the bios the Intel cpu will run cooler, consume less power, and still put the smackdown on Zen4. The power usage in gaming is around the same as Zen4.

[@rareschiuzbaian]

@@jjlw2378 thing is, most people will use the auto settings.

[@superneenjaa718]

@@jjlw2378 you can undervolt and overclock zen4 too.

[@MichaelMantion]

the 13900 isn't bad in any way. It use 1c of electricity more per hour. I guess if you live in Europe where electric prices are absurdly high it might matter. In general the money saved on a 13900 intel system of sets the extra electricity cost for 3-10 years depending on usage. Most people use the computer on high a few hours a day. So the extra electricity is not relevant.

[@Shendue]

@@MichaelMantion You do realize a lot of us live in Europe, right?

[@minhoek3252]

Great review ,thank you for work you guys put in your videos!

[@mate0821]

I bought a 5800X3D on a good discount a week ago. I wasn't sure about it at first but after the Zen4 and Raptor Lake public test I have to say I made the right choice. Zen4 3D will be interesting in light of these results.

[@stabilozz]

What did you paid? I live in the Netherlands and here it cost 430 euro

[@mate0821]

@@stabilozz 410 eur now in hungary and it came with the Uncharted Legacy game bundle which i sold for another 20 euros. so 390 in total.

[@Adama.1]

@@mate0821 Same, with uncharted legacy. Also got a new mobo, case and cpu cooler. Parts should arrive tomorrow.

[@Sleyk_SGC]

agree. the 5800x3d is the only CPU to look at right now. I would wait another year before jumping on AM5 with these DDR5 ram prices

[@fugitive6549]

If you only plan to game then it's a good choice but 13700k blows both 7700x and 7900x out of the water in almost everything. AMD needs to make their platform cheaper.

[@hungrychad]

Where are the other 13700K reviews? Seems like Hardware Unboxed is the only one who uploaded one among the big PC channels.

[@theoldpcgamer77]

I've seen one guy clock his 13900k to all core 5.8 and a heavy clock on the e cores and cache. He does have a massive out of case rad though. Won't be bottlenecking his 4090 any time soon.

[@digzee]

Are you talking about the Bangforbuck dude. Yeah his set up is nuts. He scored over 43000 in cb23 and temps were high 80's

[@theoldpcgamer77]

@@digzee Yep. Crazy setup isn't it.

[@Lawgamer411]

I got this yesterday for 399 at micro center. It’s a beast! Great upgrade over my 9700k.

[@Bman67]

These are the two cpu's I've been trying to decide between but ultimately chose the 7700x figuring the AM5 will be around much longer so I can swap out cpu's in three or four years.

[@badzilla1173]

Exactly what I was thinking. Yeah you'll pay more now for the new board but you get the longevity factor and savings for the future.

[@No-cg9kj]

Why would you need a new CPU in 3 or 4 years if you buy a higher tier one now? One of my rigs is still using a 6700k lol. It will be swapped for a new i5 sometime soon then not upgraded again for probably another 6 or 7 years.

[@reedpratt1985]

​@@No-cg9kj Well normally I probably wouldn't but since AM5 allows CPU swapping upgrading with a bios update more than one generation in the future, it's a new consideration you didn't have before. Also maybe you have a specific budget right now and figure you can save up in the future for something even better.

[@nonchalanto]

You should watch Der8auer’s video about the 13900k efficiency/tuning. You’re talking primarily to a gaming audience, and so you should note the power draw WHILE GAMING, not only during synthetic benchmarks. There, Raptor Lake pretty much matches or even beats Zen 4 in efficiency, especially after tuning the way he did.

[@dracer35]

Ya was probably the most interesting video I've seen so far.

[@maverickvgc4220]

I have a little request for the 13600K review, can you highlight the comparison with the 5800X3D for the DDR4 bar too considering that it's entering the same price tier if you want to go DDR4 (5800X3D + a good mobo is ~50$ more expensive than 13600K + a good B660 mobo)

[@sawomirbartosiak2487]

5800X3D jest wyraźnie droższy od i5-13600k i tym samym bardzo nie opłacalny.

[@FireJamUSA]

Thank you very much for including both the DDR4 and DDR5 configurations for the 13th gen CPUs in the same charts!

[@mattemodin666]

In my country, the equation (saving x energy cost) could offset the price difference between 13700K and 7900X in 18 months, give or take. The big problem right now is motherboard price, because AM5 is way expensive and there are not (at least in Brazil) any reasonable option available. I'd say both are very good options, but I still think AMD is a safer bet due to socket life span.

[@lukeearthcrawler896]

It really depends what you do. At idling and light loads (web browsing and Office) the 13700K is more efficient than the 7900X because it does all these with its E cores while the P cores are inactive. In gaming the 13700K probably draws around 100W only (with a 4090 the 13900K averaged 120W in gaming at 1080p). If you ran a gaming test in realistic conditions (ie, GPU bottleneck at something like 1440p or 4K), CPU consumption will be quite low. You can even limit the CPU to 90W and you won't see a difference in most cases. kzbin.info/www/bejne/emLQk4CdZ82djtU

[@exscape]

It's worth noting that *part* of the added power draw between the 13700K and 13900K are going to be from the RTX 4090 which is less CPU bottlenecked with the 13900K, and therefore has higher GPU load, causing an increase in power draw. It would be nice to have CPU-only power numbers as well.

[@jtchoi2003]

It's also because Intel's stock boosting algorithm is extremely aggressive on the i9. Doing a moderate undervolt ends up not changing gaming performance that much, and it's the same with Zen 4. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmWlnmONp5uCe7M kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6SndXSVZ7qGrck

[@emerestthisk990]

Nonsense, the 7700K was tested with a 4090 and offers the same performance as the 13700K, so in what way exactly is the 4090 less CPU-bottlenecked when tested with the 13700K?

[@exscape]

@@emerestthisk990 The 13900K scored higher than the 13700K, so clearly the 4090 had more work to do with the 13900K; those extra frames didn't come at 0 GPU power draw. I'm absolutely not saying the **entire** difference comes from that, quite the opposite -- **part** of the difference comes from the GPU.

[@blank8592]

@@emerestthisk990 in what game does the 7700k offer the same performance as the 13700k lol 😂 Thats like saying the 1080ti offers the same performance as a 4090

[@NavySeal2k]

@@blank8592 in the average of all games, have you watched the video?

[@realgoose]

I have seen this across the board with the Intel v AMD benchmarks… Why not use the same speed memory for both processors? Why is the Intel getting a faster memory clock over AMD? If they are able to run the same speed DDR5, wouldn’t that be the best test setup? With some of these results, could the clock speed of the memory make up some of the difference? AMD was using memory with about 7% slower clock speeds. Not that it would be linear gains, but worth checking?

[@bentec3d]

For AMD you want 6000 MHz memory because the Infinity Fabric is running at 3000 MHz and 6000 MHz memory allows for a 1:1 ratio. (DDR => DOUBLE Data Rate so 6000 Mhz memory matches 3000 Mhz Fabric speed.) Going faster than that and you might have to switch to a 1:2 ratio, actually lowering performance. Meanwhile with Intel you benefit from going beyond 6000 Mhz. So HBU is doing the sensible thing here and is running both systems under "ideal" conditions.

[@Christian_7777-d9n]

Intel's faster memory is compensated for by AMD's lower latency. DDR5 6400mhrz cl32 is more or less the same as DDR5 cl30.

[@rENEGADE666JEDI]

Due to the design of the AMD processor, a ram other than fine tiune DDR5 6000MHz will not be optimal.

[@realgoose]

My understanding of Zen 4 is that the 1:1 FClock is not required anymore. That was from the overclocking guys from AMD. They did a livestream with GN and went through why they use faster RAM. Also, I get the timing’s argument and that they are about equal… But why not make them the same clocks and remove any possible impacts to results? Or, show a couple benchmarks with the faster memory speed and prove there is no difference before proceeding with all the other results. It’s casting doubt. Testing should be as clear as possible. The companies themselves are caught with mis matched test benches for their presentation tables…

[@rENEGADE666JEDI]

@@bentec3d I hope that soon such tests will show how many and whether it is possible to tweak infinty fabric at all 😉

[@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt]

I don't game that much but I do a lot of productivity workloads, I noticed in the gaming results you compare the 13900K with both DDR5 and DDR4 and it often made quite a difference, would using DDR4 on productivity workloads make a similar difference too or did you not test/show this data because it makes little to no difference?

[@ancientflames]

Probably not any difference you’d notice day to day

[@blastmox]

In productivity workloads, DDR5 makes a difference, not a huge one, but it does make a sensible difference. At least more than in gaming.

[@Myvoetisseer]

Depends in what you're doing. Games benefit from faster ram because they're constantly fetching a lot of data. So if you do scene rendering, for example, then it would probably benefit from faster ram, because it's constantly fetching high poly models etc. But if you're doing calculations/simulations then probably not as much. You can probably test this on your machine by manually underclocking the ram and testing the effect. Won't be a definitive answer, but might be an indication.

[@Jack_Sparrow131]

For now (2022).. DDR5 in have a slight improvment in productivity workloads.. but not much (depends on the program) It would be wiser to pick 64GB DDR4 over 32GB DDR5 (Higher capacity = better in heavy workloads overall) Also, U can OC your DDR4 from 3000 to 3000 & get extra performnce, same as DDR5 4800 can get around 5600 But.. if U can find really cheap DDR5, then yeah go for the DDR5

[@ambhaiji]

Can we please get some testing of a 7950x with one CCD turned off and see if that is faster than a 7700x

[@Kage0No0Tenshi]

Well just turn smt of insted and get better fps 🙂

[@ambhaiji]

@@Kage0No0Tenshi that is not the same thing

[@danivinci]

In your 7700k review 5800x3d is less then 10% faster then 5800x in Cyberpunk, yet here it is almost 40% faster. How do you explain that ?

[@Alexandra-Rex]

Great work as usual! Love to see competition between the manufacturers. The 12 game average charts shows me that I am very interested in upgrading my 5600X to the 5800X3D.. 🤔

[@pfefferle74]

Same. Why should I buy a new motherboard and RAM if the 5800X3D still swims comfortably fast in the middle of the lead group?

[@Alexandra-Rex]

@@pfefferle74 Exactly. I'm sure it will be a valid choice for at least this generation and the next without falling too far behind. (so much that a GPU upgrade isn't enough)

[@imperialblack1]

its the 1080 of cpu lol love my 5800x3D

[@mikep9418]

Not many reviewers mention the lack of future support for the 1700 socket. To me this is the big difference between the two.

[@TVAlien]

They seem to be more glued to the total overall platform cost at the moment, which is definitely a concern. Like when skylake first came out. DDR4 being new and slower than what it became later, I got a Haseell refresh instead and it was close at the the time. AM4 had legs though, long ones. Here's to the legs of AM5!

[@vacakgagyi5248]

why? the time you need to replace 13700 is when am6 comes out

[@mikem9536]

@@vacakgagyi5248 Not to mention AM4 was a shitshow for AMD and they don't want to repeat it, AMD have not said it's going to last more than 2 gens.

[@mikem9536]

Because it's almost a worthless point, upgrading old hardware is rarely worth it.

[@vvolas]

As european with energy prices goin to the mars, I really wold love see "eco" modes tested. Now older cpus looks better just because they eat less watts.

[@NadeemAhmed-nv2br]

Intel cpus don't have eco modes, they need to be undervolted and down clocked

[@CarlJohnson234]

@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br You can set power limits in BIOS, imitating eco mode

[@jayhsyn]

Raptor Lake has a lack of pcie gen 5.0 lanes, only 16x from the CPU, well behind the x670E while being similar price. 28 lanes from the CPU on x670E. That’s a huge difference.

[@tomr3319]

AMD CPUs idle at 50 watts, intel 13th gen idle at 9 watts, Let's talk about efficiency yes? Why is this fact never mentioned? Average CPU energy usage when a PC is always on, favors Intel as they are 60% more energy efficient on average. Who plays games and runs benchmarks 24/7??

[@Sleyk_SGC]

All I see from these reviews is that the 5800X3D is the CPU to get if you want new gen performance showcased in AM4's last chip. Let these new platforms mature a bit. Get the 5800X3D. In games, the 5800X3D is on par if not better than even the 13900k and the 7950X!

[@whirlywhirly5758]

I realize that including power consumption in a value comparison might be hard to do and depends on where you live, but I still believe it's a factor that's more than "might be worth considering" in many parts of the world. my energy costs went up 50% since the ukraine war and that adds up fast. intel is a complete no-go for me at this point

[@SapphireThunder]

Actually these parts aren't all that inefficient, they are just tuned stupidly high out of box. You can comfortably decrease power limit on them by ~35% with very minimal performance loss. Making the power draw of 13700K here more like 7700X's power draw.

[@sanmattew7221]

dude, it does not consume that much power that you will see a noticeable more expensive energy bill, even in countries with expensive electricity (unless you go for the 13900K)

[@cheese186]

If that's such a worry, power consumption should be tested in more scenarios than pure 100% workloads; also idle, gaming, light browsing, etc.

[@edh615]

@@SapphireThunder They are terribly inefficient, specially the 13900k consuming double of 7950x.

[@exsinner]

@@edh615 how much are you paid?

[@TheFyend]

I think I'd still just wait for the 7700X3D on AM5 and have an upgrade path in the future vs. having to replace my motherboard again to go beyond 13th gen Intel which will cost me more in the long run.

[@Adama.1]

I mean if it releases at the same time as 5800x3d, you can wait years.

[@nipa5961]

@@Adama.1 3D stacking tech wasn't ready untill this year. Rumors say Zen4X3D will come in Q1.

[@TheFyend]

@@Adama.1 Being shown at CES in January, so probably not a very long wait.

[@Adama.1]

@@TheFyend Oh nice. Intel better worry

[@albertkropp]

I'd really love to see some benchmarks with the 10900K paired with an RTX 4080 16gb, at 1440P, to see how much the 10900K would bottleneck performance...

[@mup8661]

Tech Deals did a video similar to that. It's a shame this gentlemans channel isn't really pushed by the algorithm, I'll post the link in a separate reply Incase KZbin decides to delete the link.

[@mup8661]

Tech Deals. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6TCnYGefciYi5I

[@mrsmith397]

Why are you comparing these with different ram? 6400mhz vs 6000mhz The timings are also different. You kept the timings the same for ddr4. Why not do the same for ddr5?

[@eugenijusdolgovas9278]

5800X3D still stays as True Value King for gaming and value chart is so off, I'm disgusted by it. 32GB RAM for $230? What are You on? I have 3200 XPG Spectrix RGB 64GB new for that price. If You lower it to $710, AMD suddenly wins by a large margin. Stop. Worshiping. New. Intel. Products. It's the tale of the past.

[@skyhawk21]

Hey Steve, why is ring at stock running higher than e cores on 13 th gen? On 12th gen they ran at pr below speed of ecores if enabled? Is this a z790 thing? A ddr 5 vs ddr4 thing? I got cheap 12700 k when on sale, overclocked to 5.1ghz pcore, 4.0ghz ecore and 4ghz ring using ddr4 z690 board. 1.3v can I really raise ring up safely? Because stock it was low with e core enabled msi bios z690 ddr4 board

[@StormFahrt]

I would like to see these types of reviews using a more widely used GPU. Like the low or mid range GPUs that most of would have.

[@GholaTleilaxu]

You also have to factor in the cost of electricity consumed over time by the Core i7-13700K + MB vs. Ryzen 7 7700X + MB systems.

[@j78823]

Would like to see the efficiency comparison video instead .For instance, limiting 90W in CPU comparison. For most of the user they don't need the best performance but certainly they don't want to pay HUGE amount of electricity fees. Thanks in advance.

[@baronsengir187]

This

[@williamvanderscheer4327]

Surprisingly, the 7700x seems to be a better value part for me, the 13700k is actually $90 more expensive where I live, combined with worse efficency over the years, and the fact I don't particularly want to invest in a platform I won't be able to upgrade.

[@arthurmorgan6353]

Yep in EU intel is overpriced asfk

[@kaitoux8413]

The 13600K is the performance equivalent to the 7700X though. And you aren't really saving money on motherboard+RAM if you have to pay almost double for those in the first place and pay more for the performance equivalent CPU on top of that, all that extra cost would make the "investment" pointless.

[@aravindpallippara1577]

@@kaitoux8413 unless of course he carries that system forward with a later upgrade with zen6

[@blkspade23]

@@kaitoux8413 It's foolish to ignore the over 20% loss in 2 games by using DDR4 on LGA1700. While its only 2 games now, that can only become a growing trend over the life of the product with future games. DDR5 makes more sense to not have a gimped system. That ends the RAM argument for me. So then you're only talking about a more expensive board to put something like a 9800X3D in to. Look at Zen 3 prices right now. That is literally the future of everything you'll be able to put in AM5.

[@koendekortdk2198]

@@kaitoux8413 The 13600 gets close to the 7700x performance WITH ddr5, so the thing Intel people keep banging on about with being forced to upgrade to DDR5 involves that too..

[@Verpal]

So, looking at different reviews, as long as AMD don't do anything to deal with the absurd CPU + motherboard price, this generation would be the good old I5 for gamer, I7 for professionals, competition is a good thing.

[@williamvanderscheer4327]

Actually, I find that in my market europe the difference in price is even bigger, and for that little difference in performance per dollar between 13700k and 7700x, I don't want to upgrade to an old platform that I won't be able to upgrade. I'll wait another month to see what happens during black friday, but I feel for me the 7700x is already the superior choice here.

[@Verpal]

@@williamvanderscheer4327 At current cpu + motherboard price I don't think 7700X is a good choice, especially if you have some existing DDR4 to carry over, but I don't think AMD is that dumb. Considering current abysmal sales figure, no way they aren't at least letting retailed do discount, if not outright reduction in MSRP, waiting to next month is a great idea!

[@thelegendaryklobb2879]

The 12700K and now the 13700K show the big problem in AMD's lineup: their price competitors are the 8 core Ryzen CPUs, but the performance competitors for productivity are the more expensive 12 core Ryzen CPUs. Unlesss they plan to make new chiplet designs with more than 8 cores, I think it's time for AMD to cut some margins and shift their lineup for next gen: the 6 cores should become Ryzen 3 (and bring that segment back from death), the 8 cores become the new Ryzen 5, the 12 cores shift to Ryzen 7 and finally the 16 cores being kept as the only Ryzen 9 CPUs.

[@jerrywatson1958]

This ensures another sale for AMD with me. I have 4 AM4 motherboards, two in working systems. The other two are waiting to be built (one) and the other to be rebuilt (x370) with my current 5600X in my gaming pc. I have plans on buying the 5800X3D and the 5700G for my HTPC. I will use the Vega 64 in that pc for a "Retro" gaming pc B550 with the 5600X from it in my very old mATX lan pc case. It's a cube case with handle. It will be another year before I upgrade at least to AM5. The Crosshair GENE motherboard is too pricey at the moment and I'll wait to see what the Vcache 7000 series brings to the table. At the moment my 6900XT and 5600X is still rocking the games I play. The 5800X3D will only improve/sustain the 144fps/1440p gaming I currently do. Thanks Steve, I agree for the vast majority of AM4 owners a gpu upgrade for gaming or even light production work a low cost cpu upgrade will do the job while saving money on the build cost and energy bills this winter going forward. Let's face facts fossil fuel energy costs will only continue to rise as sources become harder to come by and the climate keeps wrecking our lives around the world. Every little bit of savings helps, even if your only concern is your wallet.

[@MadPotoo]

Great review, but I was wondering why you didn't test the same RAM kits for Ryzen 7000 and 13th gen. Also it would be great to see when the 13700K is downclocked to 12900K level, would they perform identical, cos my 12900K at 5.2-5.4GHz, E core at 4.1 and cache at 4.4 actually perform better in Cinebench R23 than the 13700K

[@AndreyStevn]

Apparently it was AMD's recommendation when they were launched. To test the CPUs with the kit they recommended. Why? I don't quite know, I also asked yesterday why they didn't use the same kit. I mean, 7000 launch has passed and they can tweak the tests. It would be interesting to see if the faster ram delivers better results or not. I don't think they'll be significant enough to make a difference but at least would be square.

[@superneenjaa718]

@@AndreyStevn that was for launch review. Steve showed that 6400 ram was delivering greater performance with Zen4. He retested the games with 4090 anyway. Why not equalise the ram? It's not like they used 2666 ddr4 ram for intel when they used to recommend so.

[@mikem9536]

@@superneenjaa718 Intel also likes 6400 ram, that makes this test flawed.

[@finraziel]

Great video as always :) looking forward to the 13600K review... One thing I'm missing though is power consumption while gaming. Power is getting really expensive here in Europe, so it's important in the total cost. Since gaming will usually not stress all cores the way a render will, I'm wondering if Intel is still going to be using so much more there. Of course, ideal would be to also try to limit the power consumption of both platforms and find a sweet spot, maybe even undervolting, but of course that is very time consuming...

[@Quxer0721]

This is going to be interesting for span of this generation of CPUs. We see nice performance from intel and for now better value, if you have some other parts or have tight budget. For me it is not that obvious, cause I don't own PC for more than a decade, I'm just using laptops for that time. So now I'm waiting for a good time and deal to buy PC. For me it is hard to choose, cause I game a little, do some coding and browsing Internet. So for me it would be best going for ryzen 7 or i7 and midium shelf grafics card. One thing I don't like nowadays is high power consumption and I would love to see benchmarks with capping CPUs and GPUs at optimal power consumption to get efficient FPS in games. Der8auer showed interesting benchmarks for 4090 not long ago, where capping power usage at 60-70% can still get about 90% of performance. This is huge and I would love to see benchmarks, where we would determine that sweet spot for CPUs and GPUs and then pair them to see almost real life scenarios. As someone said in comments power consumption is a big factor for a lot of people right now. CPUs with 250+ W and GPUs with 500+ W and adding rest of components make a lot of consumption. I know this data is for high end components, but we see intel isn't much efficient under workload. I would love to see other power tests like idle, light workload (like watching movies, browsing internet, etc.). It would be interesting, cause under workload they might be higher, but maybe they are more efficient on day to day basis with E-cores. Then maybe we can tune those intel cpus to undervolt and underclock for E-cores to handle small tasks like browsers and music, while P-cores would work on main tasks (games, production software). To the point of price of whole rig I think AMD maybe a little worst, but prospect of upgrade in a future is a factor too. Maybe you will skip next generation, but get something 2 generation later. Next intel will be DDR5 only too, so this is hard to make comparison. If you won't buy any parts like me for 10 years, maybe it is better to buy best cost per performance now (intel probably), but if you know you would update gradually, than buy more expensive, but not on the end of life cicle parts.

[@capt5656]

I'd keep an eye out for the I5 13600K review, or look at one of the already posted reviews for it. It still gives you pretty decent performance in all the categories while being even better on price and thermals (well, at least compared to the other 13th gen CPUs 😅). I'd then use the money saved to instead grab DDR5 for a bit more future proofing

[@rustler08]

No, you have it backwards: price as a whole rig is absolutely in favor of AMD because you can literally keep your entire setup and just upgrade the CPU on the same motherboard when 9000 and 11000 series drop. Intel's LGA1700 is dead after 13th gen, you're going to have to buy an entirely new motherboard if you want a 14th gen chip. And if you decide to buy DDR4 for your current LGA1700, then you will most likely need to buy DDR5 for that board because I don't think anyone is going to keep DDR4 going for new platforms.

[@lovelessclips433]

13700X is $399.00 at micro center. God Bless MicroCenter. I'm a AMD fan but looking at the 13700k so serious

[@Nelthalin]

For the productivity stuff I would go 5950X or 7900X because of the lower power consumption the 5950X is especially interesting in the regards. With price per kw up 300% this year it gets more and more important to have a energy efficient system. Especially in the summer if your already get hot and you need to turn on the air conditioning to cool it down again. In the winter heating the room with a heat pump is 2-3x more efficient compared to a pc putting out a lot of heat.

[@OC.TINYYY]

😂😂😂

[@fugitive6549]

13700K blows the 7900x out of the water in productivity and most games. Only caveat being the all-core power consumption .

[@nipa5961]

Right, the 5950X is still by far the most efficient work horse. At stock settings at least. Sadly, Intel doesn't care about efficiency.

[@Outrider42]

Watch Der8auer's review, he limits the 13900k to 90 Watts and barely sees any difference in performance.

[@nipa5961]

@@Outrider42 There is a big difference in performance. You can tweak, limit and undervolt any CPU to increase efficiency if you want, but at stock settings the 13900K is a 300W+ CPU that overheats and throttles even in gaming. Sad.

[@Seth22087]

With those CPUs, tables really turned around with overclocking, back in the day they would get clocked in range of efficiency and you could overclock them to get more performance at expense of much bigger power consumption. Now you get them to boost way past efficiency curve to what was overclocking territory and you actually have to undervolt them to get back to most efficient spot. Though AMD has this covered way better with "eco" mode. While on Intel from what I saw you have to punch in your own limit. Also I would love to see HUB after reviews making whole power scaling video for Raptor Lake lineup, so we can see around where you get to the point where you need big power increase for few percent more performance. Like graph of at certain watt limit, how much performance do you get for every like 20-25W increase. Because I do believe you can run Raptor Lake way less hot while losing single digit percent of performance, due to lower power limit.

[@m_sedziwoj]

Funny how now 100C is not a problem, and 95C was so big problem.

[@TheAzzzzzzzza]

This 13700k is basically a new model 12900k. Sadly the power consumption for productivity is still not up to par with the old 5950. Competition is good after Intel managed several generations of Core i7 with just 4 cores. The Intel platform is a dead end though with no future upgrades. The best advice would be to wait for the 3d cache zen 4 chips, which if they do the full 16 core versions will offer the best results for gaming and productivity overall.

[@theSato]

It's not a dead end now tho?

[@jonathan.sullivan]

AMD 5XXX series was a dead end last year, did you make the same comment? X3D chips are geared toward gaming, not production. Reason being AMD doesn't want to make their 7950 and 7900 chips obsolete within 3 months. There's a reason why the 5800X3D was chosen last gen and not a higher based CPU.

[@SamuraiDeek]

In the cost per frame segment, the i3-13700K is listed at $450. Is this a misstype or a miscalculation?

[@johntotten4872]

That is the current price of it on Newegg. Newegg always charges more the first few months of release.

[@Alucard-gt1zf]

Now just to wait for the 3d cache versions of the 7000 series and see if they beat the 13900k (highly likely)

[@davidjones5059]

they are 35% faster, so they will completely crush 13gen including 6GHz Halo Powerhog 😄

[@antiwokehuman]

3d models will beat intel soundly i think.

[@josesanmiguel9212]

Performance is good, but efficiency is very concerning. I wish reviewers gave more importance to efficiency.

[@eternalwingspro4454]

Looks like this i7 or perhaps i5 will be the new sweet spot for balanced gaming and productivity workload.

[@bertracoon1884]

i think the 13600k is the way to go, after looking at tech-jesus video :).

[@moltenbullet]

New? Hasn't this always been the case for i5?

[@NeXMaX]

The 13600K is already the new sweet spot. GN and LTT's reviews basically confirmed it.

[@saricubra2867]

​@@bertracoon1884 8p+8e is more balanced than 6p+8e.

[@KryssN1]

@@saricubra2867 agreed, would rather have 8p cores and 4e cores like 12700k over 13600k with 6p and 8e cores for gaming. Especially if you are keeping the platform for more than 2-3 years. But in my opinion sweet spot for gaming is still 12400 and in the future 13400. While in 3 months optimal option for enthusiast will be Zen 4 v cache.

[@rustler08]

I would need to see power consumption while gaming, because using 140W more for that performance level increase doesn't make it worth it.

[@PJH088Y]

The FX-13900K is just getting you ready for the winter months and the holiday season its a space heater that comes with a free CPU its not too bad.

[@kyo666oyk]

I've got a 12900k and it's sad how true this already is. It's better after I did a little undervolting though

[@TheBURBAN111]

@@kyo666oyk Mine runs fine even on stock settings i only hit 80-82c on r23 after 10 mins...

[@dracer35]

@@kyo666oyk That's odd, my old 5900x ran hotter than my current 12900ks. Mine doesn't get anywhere near the hot temps people claim and I'm just using an Artic Liquid Freezer II AIO that I was using on the 5900x.

[@thecrowing87]

Some quick math to put cost to the additional power consumption: Assumptions: 100W additional load, likely varies but this is a simplification 10 hours gaming per week for 52 weeks/yr $0.15/kWh electrical rate Cooling season = 60% of the year rest = heating Average Cooling Efficiency of 1 KW/ton Average Heating Efficiency = 94% and uses NG $1/therm for NG Computer it self will use 52 kWh/yr additional electricity; cooling system will have to use 31.2 kWh/yr more; heating system will use 0.76 therm/yr less. Net, electrical bill will be $12.5 more per year, NG bill will be -$0.75 less. Running the intel system without tuning will cost roughly $12/yr more than the AMD too operate given these assumptions. This completely ignores idle comparisons etc. Will vary by region and facility, but hope this provides some insight.

[@peterpeter5666]

I like the fact that for a very fair price you can get an i5 and mobo and use ddr4 and still get very good gaming performance. The 5800x3d needs to drop at least 150.00 to make it more viable

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

yeah gen12 boards compatible really makes gen 13 very appealing considering the perfs

[@vedomedo]

Running the 13700k myself with a slight undervolt it never reaches TJmax at my "performance" fan profile, running a kraken x72.

[@Smartestfacts]

5800x3D is monster and king at same time... 200W difference!!!!! For just only 10FPS average at 1440p lolololol.... And beast for gaming and casual video editing, photoediting... Just ordered 5800x3D.... Gonna pop out my old 2700x and pop in new 5800x3D lets goooo

[@slackra3400]

So glad I got a 5800X3D to replace my 3600. I love it. Zero regrets.

[@KryssN1]

It's 200w difference in Heavy Workload, not in gaming and you get way higher MT performance for that 200w more. It halfs the time for work to be completed, you can also always power limit 13700k. Cause it's as power efficient as Zen 4. In gaming 12700k and 13700k are almost as power efficient as Zen 3d, minimal difference.

[@nickcortez5655]

I was going to say the same thing! This is a trick video! If you primarily use your PC for gaming, save your money. Instead of driving yourself into the poor house while purchasing an AM5 board and DDR5 memory, keep what you have and drop a 5800x3D into your existing computer.

[@Smartestfacts]

@@slackra3400 is it good? Way better then 5800x3D

[@Smartestfacts]

@@KryssN1 yeah then you need to buy new moba, new PS, new ram..... Not worth to even think + for casual people who are not "doing work so much" even 5800x3d is overkill.... And final "if you are doing workload for work then you buy 13900, or 7950x" and final who needs 2 owens in house

[@Kclerie]

The amount is reasonable data to make a sensible decision from this review is amazing.

[@vinyfiny]

On you're platform cost/frame chart, why is ram $200+ on every platform? If I'm getting a 5600X or 5800X3D I can get 16gb of 3600 CL16 DDR4 for like $60, and 32gb for around $120. I can also get a very decent motherboard for under $150.

[@GreenyPanini]

Because they are referring to the parts that they used in the tests. If they did what you are suggesting, the FPS would not be true for those components, thus making it harder to compare. They want to use a scientifically correct method and they can't just do 100+ configurations for these reviews, if you have different components in mind, just try to extrapolate the results because the pricing also isn't the same all around the world... These are for our guidance, just use the results the best way you can. Either way, I doubt you will pair a 5600x with a 4090 and play at 1080p (not impossible, just not probable), so the FPS and cost per FPS won't be the same...

[@vinyfiny]

@@GreenyPanini But HUB knows that DDR4 gains with anything over 3600 CL16 are very minor ( less than 5%) as they have multiple videos on that topic and even mention it in this video, so why include the absolute fastest DDR4 RAM available when comparing platform costs (understandable in CPU performance testing but not in a cost/frame analysis)? That makes the comparison more or less uselss because it basically removes the increased cost of DDR5 from the equation. That's like including $1000 Godlike motherboards into platform costs when there's no real performance advantage.

[@season161]

@@vinyfiny either they use the old prices for DDR4 when they bought the ram or... they're trying to make these new stuffs with DDR5 looks like bargain

[@JapesZX]

I wish you'd put DDR5 5200 or 5600 results as that's probably what most people would run given the prices.

[@tomtomkowski7653]

Could you please test ZEN 4 and 13th gen with normal and more common cooling? Looks like 13th is thermal throttling even with 360 AIO so I would like to see how both CPUs are performing with some normal AIR tower popular cooling, How many PC gamers are using 360 AIO? Please make some real life scenario testing.

[@DailyCorvid]

Watch some reviews of 360 AIO's man, they're really good - that's the reason people who buy hot parts use them. AMD makes things that like a requirement on their top shelf CPU's at the moment, heating up to 99c! Intel remains the sensible option, because the rest aren't being very sensible at the moment.

[@andyastrand]

@@DailyCorvid Reviews have shown that even a bog standard Wraith Spire is good enough to cool the 7000 series with only a minimal loss of performance. Most people don't undervolt and most people don't fit 360 AIO's. They certainly don't tend to get them when they buy prebuilts. I look forward to how badly cooled the Alienware 13900K system is going to be.

[@videosbymathew]

How is the noise level for that cooler (pump+fans) when on an all-core load? I have a box cooler (Noctua NH-D15s) and considering going with a 360mm AIO for the first time ever. I assume/hope they are quiet even at these lows like my whisper-quiet Noctua?

[@b0uncyfr0]

So 6400mhz ram isnt a thing for 7700x? Would've loved a 1 to 1 comparison

[@SPISheste]

Maybe it’s time to upgrade my i7-7700k ..

[@amc6090]

i feel like the 5950x deserves to have pbo enabled to at least get close to the comical power consumptions of these new cpus. Being literally the most efficient cpu in this list shouldnt be working against it. It scores well above 29k in cinebench while still using less power, that should mean something.

[@kuyt20]

"Sensible option". Yeah, for the those who are quite rich but thrifty. For the rest of us normal people, $450 for a CPU is anything but "sensible". Heck, I've seen somebody call a $350 Intel Arc A770 graphics card a "decent budget build option". LMAO! How did we go from good budget builds having sub-$150 cards to $350 cards being just okay in less than 3 years? This is ridiculous.

[@FernandoFuvio]

And what about the performance limiting thermals or power consumption? For example, how it would perform if you set 95°C as a limiter in the bios or something. Or how it would perform limiting it to 200W. These are interesting to know the possibilities on a cheaper cooler or hotter place. Maybe later you could do a “cheaper” cooler comparison using this new CPUs from AMD (7000) and Intel (13th).

[@ibtehajshaikh]

Yea I'm wondering the same thing, would my AK620 be able to keep it from thermal throttling ?

[@TheLedesvin]

I have a i7-8086k paired with a 3080 for 1440p. Thinking about upgrading since my cpu bottlenecks. Even with High quality vids like this Im doubting What to go for. I was considering i5-12400