The Shi IDs: Conditionals and Payoff

[@therealESGOO]

Subscribe because uhhh Walpurgisnacht or something idk, this video took me so long please

[@Eclipse-nim]

Do it

[@dannyreyes3380]

DON DON DON DON DON DON DON

[@jackofrost1548]

I kind of want to see a shi ryoshu with a full hp condition but her skill 3 has inflicts damage to her self after using it

[@nandapratamaputratomasila4801]

Walpurgis ID analysis community post when

[@SunshowerWonderlab]

A Gun With 1* Bullet *Actual number of bullets may vary

[@kekaari2695]

watch as project moon makes a non conditional and high payoff shi id

[@codyivvel1728]

Nah It’ll be condtional but petty amount of it, Lose 1% of hp to gain +5 coin power

[@Tomzin20]

and theyre charge

[@smugofbishamonten1447]

Another W ryoshu? Aight say less

[@tylerulfmann4586]

@@smugofbishamonten1447pride wraith 4th match flame 10 power funny’s for ryshou on the fly

[@lunaproc4913]

Shi Hong Lu coming soon

[@padeirudumal8724]

Actually,The Shi Lore is that they are weakened and absoluately exhausted ,their real fighting style appears to be more based on quick attacks from surprise and them quickly retreating as assasins,they were said to be pretty bad when forced to fight straight up battles,and the fatigue they had by being overworked just mean't they couldn't even use their real techniques . (the ones that appear to be standard shi techniques in Ruina are Extreme Edge,Flying Sword and Flashing Strike,all the other cards appear to be improvised techniques from desperation,Boundary of Death also appears to be a standard Yujin Technique,but she's so tired she can only properly execute it about 1/4 of the time)

[@randomlychosen850]

Newer shi ids could make use of a "stealth" mechanic that reduces aggro and get bonuses from unopposed attacks. Alternatively, they could mark targets and get bonuses against them similar to the book of vengeance.

[@ubaidaqeel386]

Oh that sounds awesome Keep making suggestions like this! Although you should probably only include the stealth part as it'd just be either a better or just another cinq id

[@Brigtzen]

Don't the cinq id's mark target's when declaring duels?

[@Анти-стереотипныйРогоз]

mark thing is for NikOutis Id.

[@ariaangela3455]

​@@BrigtzenCinq IDs gives the respective IDs +Clash Power. What OP suggested is Ruina's Finishing Touch from Nikolai (+50% Damage and Stagger) or from Prey abno page (+2-6 damage)

[@qazisgone7292]

@@ariaangela3455 So far the only thing we have similar to Finishing Touch is Nfaust/Kromer's Gaze

[@RossMirage]

A little detail that makes me chuckle is that in lore Shi Heathcliff is TERRIBLE at his job. And when you see his animations, you realize why: he swings his sword like a club, a blunt instrument. He's too much of a caveman for finesse.

[@JannetFenix]

And yet shi Ishmael recognizes that while his methods are uncommon, he is certainly effective, so i doubt he's "bad at his job". Shi heathmael is also so wonderfully cute i cannot not love them

[@navalends8968]

I think he's just terrible being stealthy, but sure as hell he'll leave no corpse alive after he's done.

[@pen_lord8520]

Man, he’s bri’ish. You need to understand…

[@AWrySmile]

@@navalends8968 Ah, Stealth vs HEAVY Stealth.

[@sonoda944]

@@AWrySmile no one can scream if everyone is dead, after all

[@Welvader]

Shi identities are honestly my favorite faction in the game and I wish there were more of them. If only they didn't release Queequeg Heathcliff who might as well be a better Shi Heathcliff cause he functions exactly the same I will die on this hill if I have to and will keep shouting until the day we get Shi content

[@tylerulfmann4586]

The issue with shi Is that they rely on poise but because poise critical hits damage up just doesn’t effect damage by really any noticeable number(with the obvious exception of ego gift items) In conjunction with an HP restriction that requires them to stagger themselves and be at lower health to more reliably use this gimmick They really just need a group buff that applies more poise effects or benefits from haste Which unfortunately means a large chunk of them need either uptie 5 to start being competitive to new poise bleed Or a director shi passive buff for all on field to give more haste and poise critical benefits for having these negatives Possibly ish ahab envy resonance will allow something similar to what I’m suggesting

[@GameBooAdvancePlus]

I don't see Heathqueg having attack weight on their skill 3. Nah I get you though.

[@heartbae87]

@@tylerulfmann4586 or why not have the shi start with missing health? you could lock that behind an uptie or a 000 ID

[@tharaphatpuangpun]

Even esgoo curse cant save shi association from not getting id

[@Yuri_Burger]

The Esgoo curse will surely bring us a new Shi ID guys!

[@Not_Rui_]

I'm sure we will be receiving shi Ryoshu soon!

[@smugofbishamonten1447]

It worked on burn it will work again

[@tigaaaagit]

In Esgoo we trust

[@themadsuika3909]

… Didn't work

[@Z_04_Q]

Just gotta wait a bit longer....... Surely.....

[@АртёмКрылов-э6ч]

its actually very strange how they did shi in limbus, we can fight them in ruina like that only because they are exhausted, so, they are not on their top performance, it would actually be more accurate to make shi ids start on lower health but get strong conditionals for having above threshold hp or evenmore powefull conditionals since they are already nearly dying

[@protege6383]

10:30 I feel like your curse is now somehow gonna backfire and Heath will end up with a +100% bonus damage effect on his skill 2 instead of a whole new ID somehow

[@greasy_breads]

man that intro was too accurate honestly accurate with any game with insane world building. unfortunately for me, arknights and limbus are hard to get my much more western-tasted friends into. truly a curse to be a diverse gamer.

[@verdtre4573]

My friend has been trying to get me into PM since Lobotomy Corporation and he finally succeeded with this one, lol.

[@mrtheman5061]

Ryoshu is the 4th sinner, hopefully her chapter will expand on the random shi fixer in chapter 4 and give us shi south section 4 director ryoshu (with boundary of death of course)

[@tylerulfmann4586]

Ryoshu identified shi work personally so it would be more bizarre to delay her getting a shi ID

[@knifedude4195]

I know this is a little late, but the Shi association are most likely named after Ryoshu(or vice verse, depending on how planed out they had Limbus in ruina) This can be seen in the way that all the sinners line up with their associations number via their books language of origin. You have the Hana(Korean for one), Zwei (German for three), tres (Spanish for three) Shi (Japanese for 4) Liu (Chinese for five), Chiq(French for 6) the seven and eight associations(for heathcliff and Ishmael) and so on and so on. The only sinner whom this doesn’t work with is Gregor, due to their being no 13th association, however, if you look at the original end credit scene for ruina, they talk about making a 13th association for Egoists, one that, if lining up with the sinners would be named something Hebrew, like most things related to the seed of light project.

[@blazichaos7181]

For the shi association, having a "bezerker" mechanic is odd but the funnier one for me is ANOTHER hearthcliff ID. Rabbitcliff is absoulutely a goated ID, very powerful attack but runs out of ammo, representing how many of the ranged attack were exhuasted (removed from the deck) on use in Libary of Ruina, which is actually funny because one of the passive rabbit team had in Ruina was they SPECIFICALLY never ran out of ammo (all ranged cards lost the exhausted tag). In fact, I actually have a little theory that at one point, they were planing for Rcliff to actually be a Full-stop office ID, but decide to make him an R corp ID instead because of how iconic R corp is. But tbh if you ask me, the notoriety of Rabbitclif would have also been perfect for the full-stop office considering how nutty they were in ruina.

[@ericquiabazza2608]

There is to keep in mind that in Ruina ALL battles are simulated and resources can be taken back trought the light. Here we are literally sumoning an alternate version with all their equipment, the packs most likly have their own ammo supply, yet i wonder if we are bringing literal bullets into existance or borrowing them and rabbit heathcliff find he always be runing out of bullet

[@Sopsy_Hallow]

@@ericquiabazza2608 battles arent simulated, what? while sure, the equipment and things the librarians use come from the light, it is based off of the books they get from their guests, and their guests are very real. R corp is supposed to have plenty of ammo supplies (atleast the r corp segment that we go up against in ruina) more than enough ammo to spend in a battle, making it pracitcally infinite per encounter (the only simulated part is re-fights, giving a lore reason to grind a fight for more books, limbus doesnt have this as limbus doesnt give extra rewards for redoing story fights so it doesnt need to be accounted for) we also arent summoning an alternative version in limbus either, the ID is being refracted ontop of the base sinner, summoning implies they are seperate, it's moreso transformation of the sinner based on the posibilities pulled from the mirror anyway, we dont know if whatever group of R corp our IDs are from is well supplied, or if we're uptied enough to access that supply properly, we know atleast that it very likely isnt the branch that Myo is from, as that was on the verge of shutting down after L corp fell and they lost their biggest client

[@montef368]

I forget who wrote it, but I saw a comment that mentioned the idea of Stealth. Stealth lowering the chances of being targeted by attacks, reverse Aggro. I’d love for two more Shi IDs to come out. One that gives itself and 1 low HP teammate(uptie IV) stealth and bind. And another that gives itself and the highest HP teammate(Uptie IV) Aggro and haste. This would allow for a sort of dance of health to happen that lets the higher HP units tank and get low, while the lower HP units do unopposed attacks with less risk of damage. Also, allowing for a character like Ishmael to lower her health again after skill 3 heals her. The actual skills don’t need to be too fancy, but a focus on poise and speed control. Of course, having Hp conditionals. Maybe give the stealth ID bonus damage if skill 3 is unopposed so do good damage, even without clashing. And the Aggro ID gains offense level/ power if targeted by multiple attacks. Hopefully my brain made sense

[@weakspirit_]

dont worry, you cooked great

[@Not_Rui_]

I'm still wondering why they can't start the Shi IDs at a certain HP threshold such at 75% or 60% since Carmilla is a gift that does exist. I do hope that they implement either that, an alternative method of reaching low hp OR just adding another unique gimmick to any new Shi IDs whenever they feel like adding them.

[@tylerulfmann4586]

That’s a really good idea Especially if mirror dungeons in the future have chip damage heal in the starlight buffs

[@colinduchilio4052]

They could prooobably be holding onto this for a potential Yujin ID, since that was a thing the Shi association in Ruina had With, idk, a passive like "Always Active: All allies' maximum HP is increased by 100%. Allies start encounters with 50% of their maximum HP, and their HP cannot go above 50% of their maximum" they could intice you to pull on a Walpurgisnacht or smth

[@pousseypale3823]

Fun fact. In Library of Ruina Shi Fixers are actually starting at low HP.

[@JesterDragon8743]

I love the effort put into these videos, they don't only go in depth but the editing does not go unnoticed. It's very detailed and concise. Rather than pointing a mouse at a menu in game, you go the extra mile and it's amazing Edit: The subtle jokes and memes are something I think is worth mentioning too. Lol

[@martinjimenez2884]

I have always been upset by PM making the "Shi Gimmick" being overworked. It devalues a lot the struggle of Yujin Group

[@smugofbishamonten1447]

Say it with me Fuck thelma

[@dimyell]

I thought their whole struggle with the Shi director during LOR was being overworked under poor leadership? That's clearly what's being displayed here.

[@shocksword6847]

Well the entire South section of Shi Association was suffering due to corruption. Other Shi Association sections and offices that were in association with Yujin also got wiped out by getting overworked. Since every fixer IDs are in the South section of the City, I think Don, Heath, and Ishmael also being overworked makes sense.

[@tylerulfmann4586]

@@shocksword6847my stance is that from a lore perspective it’s not bad It’s just mechanically there is a lot of neat ideas that work with shi assassination And it’s unfortunate that the shi underperform the amount they do in comparison to poise bleeds we are now seeing Obviously gatcha balance always will prioritize new over old but the shi’s lack of really any feature beyond poise and some haste/attack weight Really makes it hard to recommend the continuation of half dead wagie kill teams in future shi outings unless the half death conditional adds more interesting benefits

[@TakuHakurei]

Let's face it if Essgo nail it this time, I think it's safe to say that someone in PM desk are in fact his subscribers and just want to mess this dude mind 😂

[@tylerulfmann4586]

Wouldn’t surprise me since the steam forums are a bit starched brained And a lot of the other project moon uploaders have less articulate stances on gameplay mechanics beyond general lore

[@sneky5857]

perfect timing with the limbus servers being down, very excited to absorb even more information that I'm going to immediately forget

[@DistressedCrab]

Big respect for Shi Ish, she was the first MD3H solo I saw

[@Meaxisimo]

I think instead of starting at a lower health% I think a passive that nullified the stagger thresholds of all shi ids would be a lot better since they can now reliably take damage

[@СпегеттиКвадратные]

I still don't get how come Shi Ish is the only ID that re-uses her coins in a clash, when Rose Rodya and KK Hong Lu have to suffer with their ~12 rolling skill 2s

[@snipermagoo]

Losing half your health is a bigger price than spending 3 charge or simply not having bleed on the target.

[@solaariel2692]

One thing to note about getting more Shi IDs is that healing would be less of a liability. Healing your lowest hp ID by 15% would be a lot better if your entire team has the 50% hp conditional, as your Shi IDs are no longer getting in the way of the IDs you actually want to heal.

[@bgammax5842]

I did a poise run for RR 2 back in season 2, which meant needing to bring Shi heathcliff since there were only 8 or 9 poise IDs at the time. His S1 gives enough poise count to guarantee having 1 count next turn so he can fully benefit from the poise buff, a detail I only mention because there really weren't many IDs that could reliably take advantage of the poise buff on turn 2. Unfortunately a lot of the RR 2 bosses just naturally have 2 weight slots so his S3's damage was pretty negligible and his s1 isn't strong enough to clash in most encounters. However the 17 from his S2 was enough to clash over most attacks which quickly became his primary use. Something interesting to note is that bringing two Shi characters has the side effect of causing your other characters to become low on health too, since the Shis will be taking most of the passive or gradual healing effects, allowing any chip damage your other characters inevitably take to add up over time

[@Autotoaster]

You have a point about the Shi IDs not really reflecting lore Shi, but only LoR Shi (haha). I mean in Limbus we saw someone getting bisected through a wall by Shi assassins, and they most certainly were not a bunch of tired people, more like frighteningly well trained killers. Perhaps Project Moon could give us some IDs form a different branch than Shi Assoc. South Section 5, that would explain the difference in abilities?

[@justlittleoldme4589]

I cant wait for the three star shi id that will release soon now that you made this video !

[@joeygreedy5113]

Time to watch this video 10 times until Walpulgis releases, this will activate the Esgoo curse and guarantee an Outis pull.

[@drenin777]

I believe it is logged that Shi gets tons of requests to carry out, meaning they are often well overworked. Section 2 got more messed around by a certain colour, but they normally have the manpower to carry out jobs. But considering Section 3 got destroyed by a "wave of unreasonable requests". My guess is lower the rung the more risky it is to carry out a hit. So you get quite a few jobs from low end people to take out targets out your league. You die and your Co workers have to pick up the slack. That can't be healthy in the slightest. Add in unknowns like distortions throwing in fast balls and low level sections are rocking the tired after job, Hospital trip.

[@ericquiabazza2608]

This "overworlk" wss a particular to ruina story, the Shi asociation manager knew shujin was on their tail, so under the command of Blue reververation he overwork section 3 and 2 to kill them, ironically shujin wss saved by going to the library and the manager got kill by smiling faces because shujin coudnt complete the job

[@drenin777]

Its never stated if Blue Reververation or Thelma is the cause of section 3's misforture. Tenma's Keypage suggests a general high rate for for assassination requests, while the only reason there isn't loads of corpses is because of fixers dealing with the assassins. Themla had a hand in causes Section 2 issues. As he only sent Section 2, though Blue did suggest he should of sent section 1 in as well. The only strick difference between section 5 overwork and section 2 right now is that 5 can rest a bit before moving on, so not starting with low health but still being tired and overworked. @@ericquiabazza2608

[@Dan-The-First]

Finally I know you won't care about my comment but thank you Shi association IDs has always been one of my favorite to play with and I'm happy you making a video on them (And yes I'm still waiting for a 000 Shi association ID 😢)

[@-Ripica-]

I really wish the Shi IDs have only 1 Stagger threshold and all have -HP skill effects.

[@tylerulfmann4586]

I think having a mechanic were they can function through stagger would be really cool Keeps the double damage and reduces defense levels though to balance it a bit more

[@DonQuixoteSupport]

Mam it's so crazy how they released a sneak-peek for a Shi association ID tomorrow

[@secret7246]

Great video! Really liked how you explained everything. The only thing I think you should have hammered harder is the fact that Clith is always slowly dieing with his skill 3. And because unlike Fish he doesn't have any built in heal you can only watch in horror. I had a MD3H run where he entered the last boss room with 11 hp. And the boss was Candle with his unclasheble skills. After one rotation Clith had to use his skill 3 once and he was left on 1 hp. Candle targeted 3 of his unclasheble skills on Clith and only thing that he could do is to go with a bang....

[@JannetFenix]

I feel like aedd could fix it!

[@Egalia_1]

Now we need a Yujin ID that has a 1/4 chance to gain 49 coin power

[@RicoKP]

1 pow 2 coins +0. On Clash: if 2 coins roll heads, win the clash Coin 1 head hits: add 49 pow to the next coin

[@malleuslimbus]

It just needs to be a single coin skill that always rolls as if the ID had -45 sanity (30% chance to hit heads, a bit more than Ruina)

[@besttoiletfixerever]

more like for each poise potency 4 percent more chance to gain +30 final power

[@ender1546]

6:40 - I remember the name of this status - Perilous Heart. That's all I remember, I saw it like TWICE during my whole Limbus experience

[@RezyGD]

can't wait for new Shi ids next week

[@oofink467]

Esgoo caching in that curse once again

[@ossifrage8770]

Oh hey, new video to pass the time with while I wait for maintenance to end. Perfect timing lol

[@Shadow6OO]

It'd be cool if they started adding cursed ego gifts (stuff that gives one major buff but comes with a debuff) to MD, and one of them could be that IDs enter battles with at most half of their maximum health but start with 10 poise Potency and 10 poise count.

[@IchCharacter]

They kind of did, with the enemy buffs on gift pick-up in MD3. There's also White Gossypium, which is... a bit too cursed unless you have some bleed going on anyway.

[@borger8045]

you could also count rusted coin.... it has lost me a run before@@IchCharacter

[@neat8685]

Wake up babe new Esgoo video came out

[@trucluu7894]

well well well, the curse hit again

[@deadviscera7]

Now, we sit back and wait for PM to announce new Shi IDs

[@skyfuny6370]

Eyyyy, I asked about conditionals on the q & a and the community post. Glad to see this.

[@Late0NightPC]

Another excellent video. I definitely agree with your thoughts on Shi Don, that she's almost not even a Shi ID with how little the low-HP mechanic adds to her kit, which feels fitting. She is the director, so naturally of all the IDs, she'd be the most skilled and least reliant on being pushed to her breaking point to get results. Her use of a block skill rather than a counter even adds to it, as she likely would know to pace herself and that intentionally taking hits will only burn herself out even faster. She was often one of my 00 IDs for MD2H, since she has such great unconditional clashing, an extremely high rolling S3 similar to TT Hong Lu, and was a 00 Id so she cost nothing to add.

[@JannetFenix]

Shi heathcliff, my beloved

[@TheUglyDuckling997]

i have been actively begging for more shi ids in the discussion tabs

[@chickenbacon5197]

PM has a pattern of creating S2s that completely outclass the ID's S3.

[@Zach-nu7gs]

Once again we pray for the curse to work out.

[@covid19sama]

I can't believe I'm gonna die on my birthday next year, thanks for the prophecy ESGOO

[@randomlychosen850]

I always felt like these new shi ids were punishment were for how effective the shi was during library of ruina. They were so strong, PM had to nerf them multiple times.

[@katallica6677]

It doesn't help that the Shi roster that we currently have is only like, section 5 or something. They're not that remarkable compared to Yujin and her subordinates

[@rou620]

Thank you for saving burn with your miracle mister esgoo man

[@riverajustinmarks.]

They better make more Shi ids in a Walpurgisnacht because I really want to see a Yujin one in Limbus.

[@gaia_ds]

shi needs a unique thing to themselves besides hp 50%

[@tylerulfmann4586]

I think just adding either more benefits for high haste Defense down on critical hits Or simply more egos/ways to meaningfully control the health bar In conjunction with the low health conditional becoming strongest shi can start to shine The issue however is that they are 00 which means the odds of them getting buff before uptie 5 is limited

[@eeluim7201]

Thank you esgoo, this class was boring ass hell. Your video really helped me through that class!

[@MaiyaLunaria]

Thanks ESGOO for the Shi 000 ID curse

[@wingdingfontbro]

I like the idea of a two faced ID. They have some conditional that almost completely changes how they play similarly to void fiend from RoR2.

[@StarfieldDisarray]

I tried using Shi Ishmael in MD3H when I finally assembled my Middle team and... she's so much harder to use than fans let on. Just because she's so *slow* it feels nigh impossible to actually get her to take damage since everything's clashed in unfocused fights by the time she gets to do anything. Frustrating, even if her payoff is incredibly good.

[@GameBooAdvancePlus]

deploy a smaller team on the first floor, like 3 guys including ishmael with skill priority. She'll take that beating easily while things are still relatively low risk.

[@BillyBob-xx5jr]

I do actually have some (Admittedly limited) experience with Shi IDs in Railway 2. When I first started playing, the Shi were my fav IDs for their character, mainly because they were one of the few factions where the IDs interacted with each other in their stories, so they were the first IDs I uptied to 3. When Railway 2 came along, I tried to use them because at Railway's launch they were most of what I had. It did not work. Obviously take it with salt because it was a newer account without a lot of useful supports or EGO, and none of them were UT4, but over time, I just replaced more and more of the Shi IDs from my loadout as I built other IDs until I finally cleared Railway. So many fights have awful on hit effects that made getting to low HP hell, and because healing is so essential in Railway, esp for a weaker team like mine that needed to spam Pursuance, it was difficult to maintain those thresholds.

[@alvino57]

It seems I am not like a British person. In may ways, this is a blessing.

[@SolXeko]

Oh Yujin, please come sooner....

[@windowsxp5984]

Very nice! (Looking forward to the shi ID banner within the next month)

[@Darksnakeshadow]

Rodya and Sinclair are a good candidates for the Shi roster, lore and gameplay wise. (Should projectmoon delay Ryoshu's) She literally has a support passive called "Gambler" while Sinclair's has that on ally death one.

[@randomuser5595]

when you want to use a slash unit but pm say: lmao screw you more pierce and blunt fatal enemies

[@hword5notsoofficial803]

Mf thought he could summon Shi Hong Lu just like that

[@Jacket-lh6cp]

i have never played this game and literaly understand nothing yet this video is entertaining, 10/10

[@Kiyokoghurt]

Funnily enough Shi heath is really popular in MD3 Poise teams thanks to the poise fusion gift buffing skill 3 and being very easy to get his poise up there. He's a Monstrous chaff clearer and can keep his health low with Skill 3's hp cost. Glad to see he has a niche now

[@bodassociationleader]

Tbh, that is my sufferings when I using shi identities Shi don is normal but her passive is non existantance Shi heath always lack of health, at least he got better than uptie 3 (but still has flaws at uptie 4) Shi ishmael is savior of this third, worth to try, and 4 coins flashing strike is nice enough and honestly, I still dont know why this game NEVER releases new shi identities ALMOST ONE YEAR although other associations got some identities also, the main problem is most of enemies are not weak to slash. well that can be only my case cuz i wanted shi only team 16:52 'More damage/power when didn't got hit from previous turn' can be too, like, sneaking their existances? Yeah, LOR and Limbus is different game (and tbh why they gave assassins health drain gimmick), and I really don't like PM just copy pasted shi id's skill names. What the hell, two flashing strike and two overbreathe? COME ON Liu got their own skill names in limbus

[@tonycallme3667]

I'd argue that Shi Ishmael should be categorized as "good" or "above average" identity WITH condition on due to good clashing and arguably a more consistent critical damages. However, i believe that despite what many thinks, Shi Identities should be used in a team, in order to avoid fatal damage.

[@tonycallme3667]

They're impractical in a normal story mode run due to 'EX' finish condition, simply having to stall for their gimmick aren't worth the turn when you could've finished it half an hour earlier.

[@PatchtheReaper99]

Shi Ishmael's third uptie story reveals why they're tied to the exhaustion 'mechanic' than stealth; they're directly based on the point in Ruina's story where the Shi are being weakened to be fed to the Library. I say based on because there's not enough info from that story to really say if they're being worn down for the same reason, but Don is voicing her issues with the workload being put on them.

[@extrakrispy81]

I was wondering if you were going to talk about Harpooner. He's easily one of my favorite IDs to use now. Also I'm thinking we might have to wait for Ryoshu's Canto for more Shi IDs sadly. She seemed to have history with them in Canto IV.

[@sojourn6207]

If more IDs with HP conditionals are released, I would find a passive like "lose 20% of current HP at the beginning of the battle" interesting. (Emphasis on "current").

[@Forestrack54]

Ok, but hear me out... Shi Heathcliff with Lucky Pouch is really cool.

[@tylerulfmann4586]

To play devils advocate rodion zwei can also use lucky pouch and dish out some pretty work

[@ShadowOfOurHearts]

yeap, thats definately a heathcliff, no lies detected

[@lockness5607]

Can't wait for the rupture Video in the future.

[@solarknight3942]

Shi my beloved So for me specifically I have a big issue in terms of gameplay. I often find fights that either deal 0 damage to my Sinners and legitimately are nothing burgers cannot do absolutely anything against me; OR they have it so when my Sinner loses a single clash they instantly die from full. It's incredibly painful for me to try and see the fun side of most encounters when it feels like all it takes is one singular generic low level clash to lose and then the entire combat is for naught, the whole thing, all of it gone no matter from the very start or all the way at the very end. This makes doing the conditionals quite literally impossible for me, because when my Shi IDs take damage they get about 1% progress or FLABBERGASTING DIE. So I just use Don all the time being super giddy every time I get to Overbreathe for that free EGO and her speed is just zoomie. I also use Ishmael and while I have NEVER had the omega happiness of getting to use her below 50% hp, I would love to so badly because it sounds so awesome, I just like using her as the all 2-coiner generically. idk man I would love to play Shi how they were MEANT to be used but without the actual existing Shi effect in Library where they have higher max HP but lose it upon entering combat it is never applicable for me to do anything with. Not, like, STRAIGHT to 50% that would just make it "You have an overpowered af ID with half health" I mean more like just a little progress to boot. Feels bad I'm cringe.

[@thegoldenraysoftheglorious1180]

I was watching this in bed while waiting for walpur to launch and queercliff jumpscare worked on me

[@xennomorph]

yeah now that you said about it, the new hard mirror dungeon really kick ass that most of your sinners are either below 50% health, this is the best time they add a new ID base on hp conditions, love the new quequeg ID for doing that

[@luminousdelight5097]

the biggest problem with the older shi ids is that you either lose a whole turn or several more for no reason at all and their counter just doesnt do anything after they get staggered ON TOP of the lost turn you already get so youre kinda FORCED to be above the threshold for way too long a really easy way that could also build into their identity as exhausted shi members is just... let them gain a free counter- as well as it still retaliates after staggering.. Orrr- if you want it a bit more silly you could also make it that the Counter token has a condition like "Battle start: If user is staggered this turn, gain an unlimited counter token for each turn until recovering from stagger. Counter activates regardless of stagger status." And it wouldnt be off theming at all because the theming of shi is already about them being overly exhausted Assassins that still pull through everything despite their fatigue and having them try to retaliate despite losing their foothold severely seems very in line with that

[@ubaidaqeel386]

Heathcliff boutta start agreeing with ahab with this one...

[@ghostmog1361]

Alright, see yall next week when 000 Shi Ryoshu gets announced

[@BabyJormungar]

IIRC Yujin states that the lower ranking groups in the Shi association have already been decimated thanks to their being overworked, so it's possible that when trying to sabotage the association Thelma went for *all* departments - and that in the Limbus Shi IDs timeline it just so happens that section 5 is currently the one being targeted. But the more likely Doylist answer is still probably just closer to "because that's how it worked in Ruina".

[@fallenred1119]

A brief but interesting reminder: Shi Ishmael was one of the earlier Solo IDs, all the way back in Railroad 1 when solo runs were still possible to do during Railway. I don't know the specifics on how it works, but it was interesting to note.

[@gustavogodoy5651]

Really Hope this time the curse works towards an 000 shi id

[@Jc-lu8qc]

10:13 standing like that can not be comfortable for heathcliff

[@panzerldr5724]

The 50% hp thing ISN’T even really the Shi’s gimmick in Ruina. That particular section of the Shi was basically being abused by a higher-up, and had been sent on countless missions without adequate rest. It has 0 bearing on other sections of the Shi, or even on this one anymore, since the higher-up in question was killed later in Ruina. So yeah, the 50% hp thing actually makes 0 lore sense.

[@sojourn6207]

I completely agree and hope PM doesn't change the lore here. I love this particular thing in Ruina that it specifically applies to Yujin's section. Also, technically, being exhausted does not make them stronger in Ruina. If we removed all of the effects of being exhausted from Yujin, she would arguably be the strongest key page in the game (unconditional 3 dice, +4 dice power, etc).

[@winslycan1309]

For the question about why Shi IDs are a thing, in Library, they are broken because they bring a new strat to the table: solo. Technically you sacrifices your nuggets so the captain can win every single clashes. And in Limbus, it is very hard to bring that mechanic in, so it becomes the condition and payoff instead of gambling high risk high rewards. Btw, the head of the Shi functions differently. Her build is about using 4 cost page, which is Discard mechanic in Limbus.

[@awanama4565]

surely we will be getting three stars Shi ID at the end of the season

[@Aceleo209]

I really hope whoever the new shi id will be, will "remove first stagger bars" For active shi ids whilst still keeping the second staggers which will practically help in achieving the condition more safely.

[@thatonedude05]

12:17 4 coin, 21 rolling Skill 2... *Kurokomo Wakashu Hong Lu with his similarly rolling Skill 2:*

[@BirdBrain_]

Esgoo esgoo use your curse to give us more sinking IDs

[@GA7273]

Can't wait for Shi Outis to appear out of nowhere!

[@Sabrina_Tea]

I love using shi ishmael on my envy team because it gives me a reason to use her counter a whole bunch and also allows me to stack buffs more on my peq cliff

[@zephyrprime8]

Harpooner Heathcliff is supposed to take damage but his stagger treshold is super high like why?? Mm I love getting staggered

[@SleeplessBrazilLimbo]

tbh a 30 rolling single coin is really good, since it clashes more than a lot of ego's. it's like W don's rip space but no substantial damage ;( i hope shi don is buffed to be better when uptie 5 comes out

[@Yichh]

Istg if pm releases a shi id after this

[@pining_tree6788]

Watch the nest non seasonal be a proper 000 shi

[@RussianCollapse]

thanks for another deep video, also EVERYONE, HAVE A GOOD WALPURGISNACHT

[@DemonKing19951]

I feel like we need a Shi ID that acts as the cheer leader of the group, or I guess task master in this case. I could imagine them basically having a resonance skill that gives all IDs 1 attack up and 2 base power up in return for draining 10% of their max HP if they're above 50% HP. If Shi, obviously it'd be more like 2 attack up and 3 base power This would let you quickly hit their conditionals and keep them activated. Main draw back being of course, you're stuck at 50% or less HP on whatever IDs it matters on. To play into such a role though I could see the task master also having the unique ability on their S2 and S3 to reduce the stagger threshold of adjacent allies and themselves as one of their effects. That alone along with whatever else the ID does would make for an incredible addition to the team. To really play into the gimmick too I could see another Shi ID that gains buffs based on the total damage your team has taken the previous turn. Giving you some run up to when all of your conditionals are active of having just one incredibly potent and potentially tanky ID while the rest of the team comes online.

[@wifiwodhyde]

what kind of cheer leader drain the HP of their teammates XD

[@DemonKing19951]

@@wifiwodhyde See I use the term cheer leader for any sort of N-faust type. A character that is just so perfectly design to support of specific team/gimmick that they're almost back bone of it. Think tags sinclair for a weaker example of it. But see that's why I uh... Called them a task master in this case. Not really a whole lot of 'cheering' going on with sucking your team mate's health dry.

[@CAceInPoint]

Thelma ID let’s gooo

[@Squishium]

Shi is still far better than BL Outis who takes the spot of absolutely worst conditional in the game. Crit on S3 for raising enemy stagger threshold by 20% damage dealt, except you can't even stack poise anyways, and the reward is garbage (ardor ish does 40% stagger with a 40+ roll and it has no conditional)

[@tylerulfmann4586]

I will add that BL outis has a poise ego to help that conditional (which I think is a paid season 2 ego as well) I know it’s about as useful as a hello kitty band aid on a 45 caliber gun shot especially since it requires wildly different elements than what Bl produces But with it you can technically reach her conditional with more survivability or have an ego gift to cover that weakness a bit better Unfortunately the shi’s don’t really have this luxury

[@Squishium]

@@tylerulfmann4586 Having to spend ego resources just to stack poise is counter-intuitive because at that point just use ardor blossom , which does the exact same thing at BL Outis S3 but *infinitely better.* Even if you had E.G.O gifts to let BL Outis crit consistently, the reward is still pathetic. Raising stagger threshold equal to 20% damage dealt is atrociously low. It's not a damage boost on crit like most other ID's which makes it even worse. Shi Heath is getting an unconditional 50% dmg boost on *both* coins for his S3. Shi ish has a 4 coin S2. Don makes up by being crazy fast and possessing above average clashing values. BL Outis does nothing , her only gimmick is poise which she cannot stack *at all* and she gives no fun or meaningful reward for critting.

[@ianchandler3282]

Ill be honest, I was a bit dismissive of Shi ishmeal at first, but man once you get a chance to really use her at 50% hp for a extended fight. There just isnt a 2 star that compares in the slightest.