The Shining: Stanley Kubrick vs Stephen King | Production Tales From Hell

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[@jamesm3471]

Kubrick’s The Shining is both a masterpiece and a bastardization of a classic novel. A bastard-piece if you will.

[@strangeandinteresting]

Exactly where I stand on it! Both are great in my opinion, but for different reasons. I like that, 'Bastard-Piece', I'll definitely be stealing that term from you, haha.

[@SnuggieMaple]

Yep

[@iHaveTheDocuments]

Yup Kubrick certainly made a masterpiece from a crap sandwich. What king did later, after he tried to do better really showed that.

[@t84t748748t6]

beter to have a good movie than a bad movie that pulls your book down

[@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090]

Forgive me for saying but the Novel, was mid. IN FACT! Most of Kings stories are mid.

[@Bowensflowin]

Kubrick: I don't believe in Hell. *Proceeds to create it.*

[@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090]

Ain’t that the truth?

[@merlinho0t]

The Shining is arguably one of the most iconic horror films ever made, however, this doesn’t excuse the way Kubrick treated Shelley Duvall behind scenes and during filming. Even though she did say she didn’t regret doing the film, you can tell by the end of it she was absolutely miserable.

[@dyrr836]

Yeah if hell exists Kubrick is there for sure. Virtuoso director but atrocious human being.

[@Baronnax]

I do like the movie but don't understand its "iconic" tag. It's good, but what puts it on the same level as The Exorcist or The Thing?

[@merlinho0t]

@@Baronnax It’s iconic because it has multiple famous scenes, and everyone knows what it is. You take one screenshot from that and your grandmother would know what it’s from.

[@johnmcdonagh9336]

@@BaronnaxIf you look at the definition of "iconic" and consider how widely known, referenced and talked about The Shining is, then it does fit the bill. It's also a visual masterpiece. ( I'm a huge fan of The Exorcist and The Thing ( Carpenter and Russell. I haven't seen the earlier version.) Both of which also deserve to be considered iconic movies in their own right.

[@KerioFive]

​@@Baronnaxthe shining is with them on mt rushmore

[@Lebofilms]

I saw Stephen King live when I was in college back in 1991. He was appearing at Syracuse University. He opened by reading from Needful Things which was about to be published. Then Mr. King took questions from the audience. I got to ask one of the first questions and I asked how he felt about his work being translated to film. I went on to say how there were some films he loved like "Misery" and then there are other movies like "The Shining" that he won't even comment on. He replied, "Yeah, I'll comment on 'The Shining;" and then raised his middle finger in the air.

[@Fellkun]

Honestly I like that Stephen King liked doctor sleep cause it's like a redemption for the shining

[@7evan]

Ah Dude Misery is so fun to watch and I'm so glad he likes it too

[@dillonwalshpvd]

Good ol’ Uncle Stevie. I hope he knows how much he means to all of us in his twilight years.

[@balabanasireti]

He's just mad that people prefer the movie

[@dontpanic1197]

@@balabanasireti or he's mad that someone took his work and deliberately ignored him when he voiced issues with it. this why he ended up enjoying Doctor Sleep, and Doctor Sleep was a way better movie than The Shining. The Shining is a snooze fest.

[@marshayame]

I will never understand why Shelley's performance was criticized. She gives one of my favorite performances of all time and without her, I don't think this movie would be anywhere near as good as it is, she carries this movie.

[@soltanalosmi475]

Because her performance was real and believable ( maybe because she was genuinely suffering) and back then they usually liked theatrical performances more

[@coolnerdlll6053]

It's because she does get really whiny and grating by the end. I have the same problem with Veronica Cartwright in Alien.

[@beckieleung4814]

The character as played by her was annoying the crap out of me throughout the entire movie. Doesn't help that I read the book first, so I was sort of expecting some semblance of the book version of Wendy Torrance. Doesn't have to be exactly the same - at least something not so far off the mark. But now I see it wasn't Shelley Duvall's fault it turned out this way. That's on Kubrick. He's the one who deserves the Razzie.

[@katiequeen2275]

i’d guess the same reasons people didn’t like heather’s performance in blair witch

[@coolnerdlll6053]

@katiequeen2275 Heather was far better, and she wasn't being mentally abused during filming because Blair Witch had no crew present to abuse her.

[@scottiecorley4954]

"You're wasting everyone's time--" says the one who took 148 takes for one scene. Anyway, still loving the series and am a fan!

[@Maplefairy777]

I think Robin Williams as Jack Torrence would’ve been AMAZING! I agree that Jack Nicholson is automatically creepy like When I watched this movie for the first time the dad never felt like a “normal guy” lolol

[@sarahjk1]

yes, in their drive up to the Overlook for the first time Jack already acted like he wanted to kill them 😆

[@PanzerShrek94]

Robin Williams has that nice kind look to him,you would find it hard to believe that he's a psycho maniac..While Nicholson had that crazy look to him from the first minute.

[@bananatos8929]

I think Robin Williams performance in the movie One Hour Photo was insanely good. So I could definitely see him as Jack, and it would be interesting to see tbh. But Nicholson killed that role.

[@angelicanoel987]

​@@sarahjk1My friend and I have always said this, Jack was definitely already fed up before they even got there, lol.

[@BlueUnicorn1265]

That's honestly one of my biggest issues with the movie! There really is no descent into being creepy/madness with Jack Nicholson

[@eyeromnium]

shelley duvall gave the performance of a lifetime and set a great standard for the final girl. she has my heart forever ♥

[@coolnerdlll6053]

I always found her annoying (and I completely agree with King that her character is a gigantic downgrade from the book, where she actually did stuff), but she deserves a pass because of what she went through.

[@patheticplague9359]

Duval just has the ability to make all her characters charming, I can't hate Wendy. Although the movie would be so much better if we had competent Wendy from the book.

[@daveygentry8418]

@@coolnerdlll6053 Stanley made her act. Poor girl.

[@jongon0848]

Is it weird I don't really consider it a performance? She was basically mistreated against her will, we just saw what happened when the camera was rolling. Maybe I'm overanalyzing it, I just don't think it's fair to call it a performance since she never agreed to Kubrick's methods to make her better on camera.

[@eyeromnium]

@@jongon0848 that’s something to think about. I feel so bad for her

[@coolnerdlll6053]

Stanley Kubrick was a lot like Marlon Brando. They both had a massive and respectable influence on their respective fields in Hollywood, but they were also both tyrannical egomaniacs that were seven circles of hell to work with and I feel absolutely no remorse for either of them being dead. That might sound harsh, but so were they.

[@ashleightompkins3200]

Unfortunately, it's because of their talent that they got away with all the shit they did

[@jenniferkovalick2959]

I absolutely agree with you! Hollywood is a disgusting place! It amazes me that no one did anything to help Shelly Duval! That movie ruined her career and life!

[@ashleightompkins3200]

@@jenniferkovalick2959 If you watch her in Popeye, the performances are night and day. She looks so much happier there

[@jacksonscott690]

That’s just unhinged 😂

[@SnuggieMaple]

Same I respect the craft but the way they got to it…

[@Tauraun7]

I give it to Steven King 👑. He was really on Shelly's side and how he was upset about the Kubrick's abusive and bullying .it was disgusting...but yet she still pushed thru when most would quit. I give Shelly her flowers because she gave one hell of a performance unmatched by most actress's ❤ Kubrick said he has no sympathy for Shelly but with out her The Shinning wouldn't be an ICONIC movie today...

[@Nenernener123]

Gotta give props to the only person who could make King not hate the Shining movie! The man, the myth, the legend Mike Flanagan! 🙌

[@jameshemphill3611]

Nice Try, Mike. We know it’s you.

[@beckieleung4814]

This might be sacrilegious to say here, but out of the two movies, I like Doctor Sleep more than The Shining 😁

[@coolnerdlll6053]

@@beckieleung4814 That's tough because Doctor Sleep is a completely different movie.

[@stucorbett]

Thank you Chauncey for saying that the abuse isn't justifiable for 'the art."

[@1805movie]

"I always thought that the real difference between my take on it, and Stanley Kubrick's take on it, was this: In my novel, the hotel burns; in Kubrick's movie, the hotel freezes. It's the difference between warmth and cold." *-Stephen King*

[@ItsPherBall]

I am loving this series, Chauncey fits so well in the Dead Meat style while bringing her own uniqueness

[@ForrestFox626]

It feels like a true crime series for horror movies

[@schw3inehund-official]

I had to stop because of the vocal fry. The video was good and the presentation as well but I can't listen to that :(

[@ForrestFox626]

@@schw3inehund-official Vocal fry?

[@shariehoffman4740]

​@ForrestFox626 it has to do with vocal pitch

[@matxalenc8410]

​@@schw3inehund-officialShe can't help her voice. Though I don't hear any fry.

[@nachosniewolnosci3147]

I think that every Kubrick movie from Spartacus to his last one can be in this series.

[@Notsussybaka900]

Only the horror movies

[@nachosniewolnosci3147]

@@Notsussybaka900 Production Tales From Hell is a perfect way to describe production of many of Kubrick's movies. PS. I love the Watchmen photo.

[@SnuggieMaple]

@@nachosniewolnosci3147 Yep

[@axelnilsson5124]

The Shining was Kubricks only horror film

[@TAJMofficial]

@@axelnilsson5124 2001 is scarier though

[@Mimi-cq4bg]

Kubrick wanted Wendy to be submissive and beaten down while King wrote her to be independent and fierce. Kubrick was married three times and King has been married once and still is. I think this says a ton about how awful Kubrick was to women and likely how badly Duvall was treated

[@vtxgenie1]

Same, and Jack still being an alcoholic instead of sober, at least more recently, and going through so much more before being influenced by the evil. Totally agree on the weak and abused Wendy being an unnecessary and negative change from the novel.

[@The00Lisa00]

Wendy from the book wouldn’t take the abuse Wendy from the movie took from Jack. He had to make her a sobbing weak mess.

[@YoutubeBlobMcFish]

if shelly was independent why would she still be with jack then. when jack hurt danny i would of taken danny away from jack there and then

[@balabanasireti]

Calm down. No need to act like a psychiatrist 😂

[@balabanasireti]

​@@vtxgenie1I disagree

[@natetripp3932]

Whoa holy production quality!! Here’s to James turning dead meat etc into a FRANCHISE!!!!!

[@ivanivanoffkrakowski9096]

james and zoran voicing king and kubrick is just one of the small things that make my day

[@ChaunceyKRobinson]

They did a great job!

[@mdusibisi]

This is the first episode I'm catching and I'm blown away by the production quality. Well done team.

[@nerdydrawer7265]

I repeat this to myself anytime I watch the movie “Love the art, not the artist”

[@dizzysic2587]

Most of us know the troubles of this film.. but I'm glad Dead Meat is "Shining" a comprehensive, unbiased light on it. Polarizing is an understatement with this one, folks.

[@kaingates]

Don't think unbiased is apt here. But art criticism can't really be objective so IMO it's a good thing it's biased.

[@dizzysic2587]

@@kaingates the bias that I'm speaking of is Kubrick v. King.

[@davyjones5361]

Sounded pretty biased against Kubrick from start to finish

[@bellaloves2815]

I like that you guys are choosing well know movies and cult classic/lesser known films, same of Kill Count. I love finding out new things about the popular films and their productions and yet also learning about new films all together. This series is awesome and really well done! And Chauncey is a great host!

[@SnuggieMaple]

Yep

[@GeekEire]

She is on point in this video

[@coachgoltzbizpro23]

I will be the first to admit Kubrick's Shining never got my attention. When I read how different Jack and Wendy were in the book, and I actually prefer Hallorann surviving the story, I saw why, as I'm someone who loves strong yet balanced characters. I would have loved to see a more human Jack and a stronger Wendy on screen. Good thing King at least tried with the TV miniseries.

[@mom.left.me.at.michaels9951]

Hope you have seen Dr. Sleep. Flannigan does a superior job in the authenticity when it comes to his characters, the amazing hand injuries and the ability to create a cohesive storyline from to completely opposing adaptations was a stroke of genius.

[@balabanasireti]

I disagree

[@balabanasireti]

​@@mom.left.me.at.michaels9951 It was alright

[@e.g.evermore4390]

So crazy to be a King's reader, and knowing how important the Shining is for the whole dark tower universe

[@jewcyk8268]

This felt like something you'd see on discovery/disney with the incredible production value. Great job everyone!

[@Portopottyvoodoo]

I will say this. I enjoy the new show but I feel like we need longer versions or multipleparts? It has amazing presentation and I'm always against new hosts on KZbin channels but I genuinely admire the work energy and attitude, thank you for the great content. If the worst thing that I can say is it needs to be longer than you're doing something right.

[@kaingates]

This

[@FishEye1312]

so great to see where dead meat is now. Ill never forget James' Friday the 13th Kill Counts helping me get over my fear of the dark years ago.

[@JayApollo106]

I've always held a fondness for the 1997 mini-series - you can tell it was done with meticulous care and appreciation for King's novel. Also, they don't kill the one Black character in the entire thing... so *in my best James A. Janisse voice* that was nice.

[@ChaunceyKRobinson]

The 1997 version is my fav as well. I think it’s also interesting how in the book Scatman’s character wasn’t supposed to die, but Kubrick made the choice to kill him in the film…

[@anima_96x7]

It’s definitely insane how much of the behind the scenes material for The Shining shed a light on such a notoriously difficult director with such an iconic legacy. Coming from a fan of Kubrick’s filmography as a whole, even I’ll admit that his dreaded perfectionism could be excessive to the point of being a test of endurance within itself. Even those who worked on his films had expressed concerns working with him before accepting parts in his films, having to ask the question, “Is the physical and emotional exhaustion worth it to work with one of the best?” It’s clear going off that alone that his reputation as a brutal taskmaster preceded him. Ultimately I’m happy y’all at Dead Meat did this episode talking about the woes that went into making such an iconic film. Kubrick’s The Shining might’ve failed as an adaptation in the broad sense of things, but it’s still a great horror film nonetheless. I also tip my hat to the actors who had to fight tooth and nail to see it thru under Kubrick’s iron fisted direction, especially Shelley DuVall and Scatman Crothers as the major ones who got pushed the furthest they had ever been pushed before as performers.

[@kobyhooper]

Shelly Duvall has said in recent years that The Shining was not any kind of contributor to the decline of her mental health or career. She worked for many years after the shining on her fairytale show.

[@bluebay1031]

That does really change anything. It’s good, and I’m glad she continued her career since she’s a brilliant actress, but it doesn’t really change anything.

[@ItsGattsu]

I'm loving this show so much more than even I thought I was going to. Great work to Chauncey and the Dead Meat crew!

[@lorettaaa_reacts]

I’m really enjoying this series, it’s helping me learn more things about these movies that I didn’t know along with things I did

[@elmoslayer144]

Even if these videos don’t get the same amount of love as the kill counts do, just know that we still appreciate and enjoy them!

[@user-sy1sm6kw5e]

That scene that shows he hasn’t been writing this whole time really strikes writers every writer understands this

[@aliteralgremlin7406]

Chauncey is such a compelling host! Love her work on the series so far!

[@kait_herring]

I am constantly blown away by your video quality.. this seriously feels like a TV series you'd watch on TV. So well done.

[@mercedes_nuts]

Bro, Scatman had to do like 10 hours of takes for like 10 minutes of screentime 😭

[@ChaunceyKRobinson]

He was a trooper! And definitely my hero of the film

[@SnuggieMaple]

@@ChaunceyKRobinson him and sheli made this film good

[@2bdaqueen268]

I heard he was a pretty chill and fun dude (I mean he played music for his other cast members when he was doing transformers during the waiting times), so hearing that Kubrick tormented the dude to the point of making him cry is certainly something….

[@jermuhh3359]

Also making him take scenes where he falls down so many times at that age is just disgusting.

[@TheAmazinRaven]

The production effort of this video. Y’all are outdoing yourselves & I am here for it!!

[@pandapendragon3335]

I am absolutely adoring this series as a fun fact gorlie. I am also SO HAPPY that someone is out here saying they dislike Kubrick's "adaptation" of The Shining. It felt like such a mean spirited film both to the source material and to Shelley. I am on an even rarer team though in that...I actually really enjoyed the mini series.

[@davidethridge5748]

I remember when you couldn't find anything about the movie and no one talked about it. It used to be my favorite film but now I just sound pretentious. It's crazy. I am glad it's recognized as the greatest contribution to horror movies as it should be.

[@TheFyre]

The older I get the more I realize I don't care for this movie as much as I once did. The performances all either wrong or flat out bad, and it being made by people who didn't think the book was even good just took away everything great about the book. Combine that with the hideous abuse that went unpunished, and I'm good on it I think.

[@harlandawkins1769]

This is a great entry into a new series. Will def be continuing. Great job, Chauncey!! ❤❤

[@benzandchang2314]

Yay! So good! These episodes need to be a little longer! I’m always left wanting more.

[@chicken]

The blood in the elevator 😌✊

[@hoangbao9829]

Hello

[@digitaldeathsquid3448]

That's odd. Usually the blood gets off on the second floor.

[@crunchylettuce5446]

Why did this video feel like the preamble to a good documentary instead of an actual finished work by itself?

[@Allancarlostani]

Kubrick was an asshole to Shelley Duvall, but it always bothers me to see people on Twitter saying that Shelley Duvall never recovered professionally after "The Shining", and with all the HUGE respect I have for Dead Meat and the people who made this video, I confess I was a little disappointed to see that this video didn't do much to erase this false narrative... After "The Shining", Duvall created and starred in "Faerie Tale Theatre", a wonderful TV series that ran from 1982 until 1987 in which she worked with some of the biggest names in Hollywood, and then in 1992 she received two Emmy nominations for "Tall Tales & Legends" and "Shelley Duvall's Bedtime Stories." But I suppose maybe they felt that wasn't relevant to the video itself, which focuses on the troubled production of "The Shining." Still, good video and a good series so far. And I recommend "Fairie Tale Theater", several episodes have horror elements.

[@bluchismoon]

Tbh, no one really remembers those shows, otherwise they wouldn't say her career declined. If the shows someone worked on later hardly made a splash on the cultural memory, people tend to consider the artist's career to be in decline.

[@wexadexwes527]

I love this series and I'm so excited with the direction of content on Dead Meat - We always loved James and Chelsea but, with Zoran and now Chauncey, the expansion of the dead meat universe is amazing!

[@EvanBagwell]

Absolutely loving this series so far!!! Already looking forward to every episode ❤️

[@MrAidanLising]

I am loving this show. It really feels like something I'd catch on TV growing up - it's sooooo well-produced!

[@ChaunceyKRobinson]

Thank you!

[@GHreyLas3271]

THANK YOU! Someone said it, finally. The Hell that Duvall and Crothers went through wasn't worth a 4/10 movie that flung so much hate at one of the only King stories I really like. The Shining duology and Pet Cemetery are the only ones I liked, personally, the other ones were okay, and got dragged down by how famous he was, and how critical I get of famed writers. I never liked The Shining movie because of all of this, but then Doctor Sleep came out, and is one of my favorite horror movies ever.

[@nollypolly]

Agreed! First off, while watching the movie, *at no point* do I feel that Nicholsons Jack was remotely sympathetic, or that he even liked his family. That was a big part of the story and the movie completely disregarded it. He barely tolerated them and his resentment was SO obvious. It ended up being a story about a self important jerk dragging his wife and son to a remote hotel. (Stg he only brought Wendy bc he could have her do his job while he wrote) He then becomes progressively more irritable until he snaps. The end.

[@erkantiryaki5542]

You forget saying "I think" in that score mate. Because you are %100 in the minority here. The movie didn't became iconic in cinema history for no reason.

[@kaingates]

​@@erkantiryaki5542it's iconic because of cinematography and techniques. A huge feat I agree but something only boring film-nerds care about. The story, the acting (except the important shots) and the plot is really sub par. Or let me ask you this: does anyone really care what happened to Danny after the movie? He's the protagonist so it's a pretty important question. I think the answer is no and it's a pretty bad narrative sense to come to that conclusion. And it's not like Kubrick makes bad movies: HAL is amazing and super interesting

[@michaelrivero9668]

Love the new content. the production is crisp. Love you guys!

[@laurenrose5351]

Can’t wait to see more of this series! Great host and super interesting info, big W for Dead Meat

[@whysoawesome]

Never seen this series or host on the channel. More production tales from hell and more Chauncey please!

[@Legendxv1]

Clicked this so fast, I always love hearing about the shining and its production.

[@erin1912]

i’ve been loving this series!! Chauncey is amazing, i only knew her from her episodes on the podcast before this but i’m a huge fan

[@calebtheholyman545]

Starting to look forward to these nearly as much as the kill counts. Great presentation and very informative and thorough videos.

[@leondean11]

Love this series, please keep blessing us with more great content guys. Much love✨️

[@angelic_virgo]

I can’t get over how well the opening is done! Looooove watching these!🥰🥰🥰🥰

[@Fabian__.]

all 3 episodes so far have been amazing i know this series going to be a channel classic

[@emilypeebles8365]

PTFH is my new favorite part of Dead Meat (besides the podcast!)! They are cozy watches and I love learning new BTS about what went into and came out of these iconic films.

[@itsjay7235]

Please never stop making these I love em!

[@Maplefairy777]

I love these videos Chauncey!! Keep it up!!

[@ray.deathray]

I highly recommend downloading those commentary tracks. They’ve been fun to listen along to

[@uncreativename3440]

really enjoying this series! One of my favorite parts about the kill counts are learning about the production of horror movies, so this has been right up my alley!!

[@TheCoomSlayer]

idk about yall, but i absolutely love the intro for this series. it really goes to show just how far Dead Meat has come in terms of quality and production

[@penumbra84]

One of my favorite horror movies ever, watched it when I was like 13 and my dad circumvented mom (also not the first of a bunch of movies, like Alien and Blade Runner) to tell me I was old enough. But told me not to tell her.

[@dustafee666]

People should look more into Shelly's own words around the production. Dr. Phil and other people exploited Shelly in her old age, and it really paints her experience on The Shining as something that broke her mentally. But that's not the case. She has repeatedly said that she had a great time, and that she learned more and pushed herself as an actor more on the set than any other film she's done. Obviously Kubrick was a jerk at times, but he didn't ruin Shelly's life. Not defending him... just asking that people listen to Shelly's own words rather than relying on heresay.

[@claytonrios1]

The Shinning! In the words of Groundskeeper Willie!

[@fredericokautzmann6148]

Loved it! I need more of those! Great job dead meat!

[@V2K.04]

Absolutely love this series ! Amazing host, intro, production, all of it 🤩🤩

[@ChaunceyKRobinson]

Thank you! Thanks for watching!

[@TylerLuvsCinema]

I’ve always been a firm believer that Kubrick’s adaptation is one of the greatest horror movies ever made, but also one of the worst Stephen King adaptations ever made. Right up there with Steven Spielberg’s adaptation of Jurassic Park. Monumentally amazing movie, dumpster fire of an adaptation.

[@FFF_FilmsforFun]

For real, i need a a loyal adaptation of Michael Crichtons book before I die.

[@TylerLuvsCinema]

@@FFF_FilmsforFun I refuse to let people believe that Gennero was the sniveling vampire the movie portrayed him as. That man was a damned hero and the true protector of Tim and Lex.

[@TheDimensionDweller]

Another great episode! It always hurts to hear what Duvall went through during the making of this movie

[@cookieguygaming]

And next episode of production tales from hell… THE WIZARD OF OZ HELL YEEEEEE lol

[@rodian_skypyratz6181]

That’s a joke right? Because that movie isn’t really a horror movie.

[@oscardepaz3063]

​​@@rodian_skypyratz6181 Yeah, it's a joke. The next episode is The Amityville Horror. But do read up on the production hell that was The Wizard of Oz if you're interested. If this channel wasn't strictly a horror channel, that movie would have gotten an episode on this show.

[@SnuggieMaple]

@@rodian_skypyratz6181 it kinda is

[@whiskerbiscuit6209]

The movie was great by itself. but as an adaptation of the book, nah. It took me many years until i picked up the book because I just didn't care much for the film. The book is one of my favorite King novels, especially the audiobook narrated by Campbell Scott. Scott did excellent narrating that book.

[@remmy107]

Totally agree. I actually listened to it recently. I realized very quickly that the movie was basically a different story altogether. Sadly, it ruined what i thought was a good horror movie. I tried watching it again and couldn't finish it. It just felt like a crappy remake from a good story. They really messed up the Torrence family, for instance. Which really ruined the vibe for me.

[@amberavenged579]

Oh 100% I also listened to the audiobook narrated by Campbell Scott and loved every second of it. I had such a hard time coming to grips with how much the movie left out once I finally listened to the book, because The Shining was my first horror movie and has a special place in my heart. I try to think of it as Stanley Kubrick rewriting the book in his own way.

[@jennifersbodyodyody]

I don't say this to justify what Kubrick did to Shelley Duvall, but to give her some of the praise she missed out on during the initial reviews of the film; Shelley's performance is hands-down the best performance in the movie. She starts from a place of extreme vulnerability, but through that vulnerability accesses a believable strength in the face of fear that keeps her character and character's son alive. The movie isn't scary or emotionally impactful without her phenomenal performance.

[@coolnerdlll6053]

I disagree. Outside of locking Jack in the freezer and finding Danny outside the maze, she does absolutely nothing throughout the movie.

[@CyanAuras]

Waited all week for this!! 😍

[@kittypryde571]

These videos are amazing! Thank you so much Chauncey, Chelsea and James!

[@Die4Gesichter]

I like this format soo much, are lesser known movies also planned in the future?

[@lambnotincluded]

loving this series so far! its so sleek and professional that it feels tv-caliber, it reminds me of the halloween specials i used to watch on tv as a kid :)

[@AfandiSharose]

Hi James, I havent been to this channel for a while so just wanna catch up by saying my deepest condolences on your dads passing and a big congratulations on your marriage! Wishing you all the happiness

[@megabladechronicles962]

I find it interesting that the more faithful adaptation later made was considered a failure compared to Kubrick's version which is remembered as a horror icon

[@beckieleung4814]

Though faithfulness to the book wasn't the problem with the TV miniseries. The movie had superior special effects and cinematography - its lack of faithfulness to the source material isn't the part that was better. 😅

[@videonyasty]

i love production tales from hell, please continue to make more!! the host is great

[@georgeheilman885]

I was at a Q&A with Michael Biehn about a year ago, and at some point, The Shining was mentioned and he did not hold back his distaste for it. Mainly for Kubrick and his treatment of Shelley Duvall, as well as his pedantic approach towards film-making. Ironically, he defended James Cameron and his style (and approach) towards perfectionist directing and treatment of actors; particularly on The Abyss. Both hellish productions, though The Shining is arguably more so.

[@Djp2987]

"The abuse " was way worse who u kiddin. Multiple people almost died on the abyss.

[@georgeheilman885]

I'm aware of that, which is why I said arguably. No doubt The Abyss was more dangerous but between the two directors, Cameron at least owned up to his flaws, and endured his own suffering. Kubrick was more dismissive by comparison and didn't seem to mind how taxing it was on everyone else involved.

[@tbranson9543]

These are phenomenal videos for a Sunday morning!!

[@shirohc7015]

these are so good i love them!

[@shawnforpresident5198]

This new show needs to get more views. I’m really enjoying it! Keep it up!

[@VyceryonNet]

I respect Stephen King, but not for being 1 of the “Masters of Horror,” and he, Carpenter, Craven, Hitchcock and 2 or 3 others I can’t seem to remember, are collectively known, I respect King for the impact he’s had in taking Horror mainstream & the basis many people have built upon for their own work, but his books are not scary, the first horror “movie,” I ever saw front beginning to end at age 4-5, was the It Miniseries, and so he’s always been with me, but later in life I read the novel It, and it’s hard to be afraid of something, that constantly took me out of the story, by being so confusing & waterboarding you with pointless detail, that I had to keep re-reading parts I had just read, to make sure I didn’t have a stroke or miss something, because what I was currently reading wouldn’t make sense in my head. A common issue that probably is why his film adaptations usually stray away from the novel & the missing parts are replaced with jump scares or shocking imagery, making it more of a Horror movie, as I believe Stephen King is a terrible HORROR author, but is a great “Master of Sci-Fi,” as Science fiction is more appropriate I think. Regardless, I find it humorous that he stopped protesting too much after he finally had first hand experience at how hard his work is to adapt, producing & writing the script The Shining mini-series (and failing to win audiences over) & directing Maximum Overdrive (The greatest nonsense EVER, “hey we’re trucks who need gas, let’s let humans know by wasting gas, running them over & driving in a circle around gas pumps for what feels like an hour” lmfao)

[@DecayingReverie]

I'm a massive Stephen King fan. I've read everything he's ever written at least once, much of it two or more. When it comes to The Shining, I really enjoy both the film and the book. I'm glad I saw the movie long before I even heard of the book (I think I was like 10 or 11). Years later once I finally read it, I prefer the book, though I don't give a whole lot of stock to liking on piece of media over the other when they are two different art mediums. I guess I should say as an adaption of the story, I would prefer to read the book rather than watch the film. The book is largely about struggling with alcoholism, the physical abuse of Danny that came from it, and the lasting rift that it created between Wendy and Jack in their marriage now that she can no longer trust him. As a recovering alcoholic who also has a father that is a recovering alcoholic, I resonated a lot with the book. Though my dad never physically abused me, he was absent for large chunks of my life due to rehab (he's a dentist so the medical board makes you go through hell to get back to practicing medicine). He also was sometimes verbally abusive and did things that are traumatizing. One time, he tripped on one of my toys which angered him and he went rampaging around the house throwing all of our toys in a trash bag and throwing them outside. Other than spankings, I don't think I was ever physically abused. I think the movie doesn't really capture anything emotional and doesn't really focus on Jack's drinking or physical abuse. I do think this film is overly praised as one of the greatest horror films of all time. The Room 237 documentary tries to paint Stanley Kubrick as an almost otherworldly genius director who filled every frame of the movie with incredible meaning. Stanley Kubrick is a great director, and I'd even go so far as to say one of the GOATs, but his films aren't calculated to the point where he designed every label on the cans in the pantry. As far as King not liking the movie, I can understand why he might dislike it, but he seems to have such a bitter hatred for it. Like, I don't understand why this one was so much worse than some of the other adaptions of his movies. I would go to say that like 90% of the adaptions of his work are mediocre or utterly horrible. Pretty much every adaptation of his that comes out, he says it is great so I'm not sure if I can say my definition of a good film vibes with King's. I guess like you said in the video, maybe it is a more personal book because of King's own struggle with alcohol.

[@ahuffleofhorror2430]

As I've gotten older, I appreciate Duvall's performance and Wendy's character more and more. Admittedly I can see a lot of myself in her, and the way she tries against odds to pacify Jack and keep the peace. She is clearly emotionally beaten down by Jack even at the start of the film, but it is just not in her nature to suddenly become a badass female protagonist. When she suspects Jack has hurt Danny, she snaps out of her defacto peacekeeper role and fights to do what needs to be done to protect her son only to encounter a metric ton of ghosts and horrible images. I think she is a realistic depiction of how a certain personality type would act under those conditions. And that is all thanks to Duvall's strength as an actress and no thanks to Kubrick's ghoulish behavior towards her on set.

[@joethebigorangecat]

Absolutely love the new series!!! She's an excellent host and I can't wait to see more of her videos!

[@sl7b2]

I can't help but laugh at the dramatic tone change going into the sponsor bit

[@mariadiangeloakakyokajiro3428]

Got there in 2 min. Such an iconic movie that I don’t want to miss it

[@cheeseboi2121]

The shining was the first ever horror movie I saw and i absolutely love it. I credit it for my love of horror.

[@boxOhobo]

This was a very informative watch. I never watched The Shining myself, but heard about it endlessly as a horror fan. I had heard Stephen King didn't like it, but never any details as to why.

[@johnnymccraze]

Being a good artist and being a good person can often be very, very, very mutually exclusive.

[@lilithwy]

I"m so glad you put a spotlight on this film! Many people hold it up as a masterpiece of cinema but overlook the fact that no actor should feel afraid while filming. Keep up the great work!

[@alexguillen9598]

There was nothing wrong with Kubrick’s take on the shinning, in fact, most people see the story more from how popular the movie is than the actual novel. The images created and captured on film are iconic, mesmerizing and breathtaking. Kubrick took a mid novel and elevated it to another level plus the film is a maze so the audience is sometimes even more confused than the characters. Regardless of his greatness for film, Kubrick was a hard taskmaster (hence why he often shot with previous crew personnel) & the treatment of Shelley Duvall was really uncalled for and appalling. No one ever deserves that. She still had issues before and this experience really didn’t help her with them I still consider this film a masterpiece & one of the top 10 horror movies ever made

[@sarlukowski]

Pardon…what issues did Shelley have before The Shining?

[@alexguillen9598]

@@sarlukowski mental health issues are an ongoing ailment for many people. She has discussed that she had a career after the shinning as well but she decided to step away from acting. Unresolved issues are a real thing and I’ve heard she’s much better these days and wish her the best

[@bobbia1432]

Just wanted to say I've been loving Production Tales from Hell!

[@forceoffriction]

6:10 Not saying envy isn't the case, but the book was so boring in the middle that I had to put it down for a few weeks.

[@Ashvibes]

Loving these episodes!!