The Shotguns of Fallout!

Once again we are looking at the inspirations and real world designs that influenced the designs in the Fallout Universe.

[@trevorrussell40]

“Todd, the combat shotgun could not possibly load and eject shells with this design.” “It just works”

[@JacobPlays136]

Combat shotgun loading works through osmosis.

[@encross8058]

it looks cool though

[@LR-bv1ur]

Cvl

[@MainMezzer]

Pancor jackhammer exists: *Z A C H S A N G E R I N T E N S I F Y S*

[@Rad_King]

😦

[@scrithen2836]

“ ITS NOT A REAL SHOTGUN IT WAS NEVER MADE”

[@StevenChad117]

I see you are a man of culture

[@_.yeah._2621]

m-my comment... stolen right out of my mind.

[@theluftwaffle1]

Can’t wait to hear the man lose his shit over some of the weapons in FO4.. or the fact that every rifle is left handed lol.

[@ConcussedGaming]

I don't think the Explosive legendary effect is a bug when it's applied to each pellet. I believe that was intended. As the Explosive legendary effect is supposed to be applied for each projectile, not each shell.

[@Gilhelmi]

Also, how would you even program it to have just one explosion? Which pellet would the effect be applied to? I believe that you are correct, it was intended (and much more fun).

[@quadroninja2708]

@@Gilhelmi maybe make some of them not explosive for balance

[@thefrozenyak5272]

@@quadroninja2708 The balance is that getting an explosive combat shotgun in the first place is a matter of pure luck (I've never had one myself), and the spread effect of shotguns means that you have to be fairly close to get maximum damage, possibly within range of the explosions yourself. The explosive effect is powerful, but has a risk factor for the player involved. I've blown myself up by stupidly deciding that the explosive minigun is the way to go in confined spaces.

[@eur0be4t3r]

@@thefrozenyak5272 or have one with a longer barrel

[@thefrozenyak5272]

@@eur0be4t3r Fair enough. An explosive combat shotgun could make a nice mid range weapon. It turns the minigun into a nice substitute for a missile launcher.

[@EdmundKempersDartboard]

Having both lethal and non lethal rounds loaded in seperate mags together is a great way to kill someone you meant to injure.

[@BigboiiTone]

You could label them

[@aniquinstark4347]

@@BigboiiTone Wouldn't help

[@BigboiiTone]

@@aniquinstark4347 put infrared paint on them so you can make sure you load the right ones in total darkness. Unless im totally misunderstanding here wuhahaha

[@Victor.-.E]

Best policy would be to assume the worst case scenario when you fire a shotgun at someone. Shit, just hit them with it. Even an empty shotgun is still a pretty good club

[@Rhapbus1]

@@BigboiiTone yeah, youre misunderstanding the basics of gun safety. you don't leave room for mistakes like that

[@Meme_Meister]

The fo3 combat shotgun and the fnv riot shotgun are probably based on the armsel striker shotgun

[@airlinefood5557]

I’m thinking because 3 was more of a Cold War based fallout, the combat shotgun kinda looks like a ppsh 41

[@cameronnorton5898]

No the striker is a piece of shit. Instead of a real drum magazine, it uses a giant rotating cylinder with 12 individual chambers and a clock spring you have to wind up to get it to work. You have to ram the empties out one by one with a spring-loaded rod just like a Colt Single Action.

[@freedoomer2524]

@@cameronnorton5898 in the old versions of it yeah, not anymore tho. Auto ejector and the winding mechanism was removed

[@planescaped]

I thought the FNV riot shotgun was pretty clearly inspired by the stryker

[@trentparker3701]

FNV riot gun was modeled off the Hawk semi auto shotgun not the striker I believe the F3 combat shotgun was simply modeled off the ppsh-41 to work as a shotgun

[@Lurker1954]

That drum magazine may feed the shells into a magazine tube. Something like that was designed by a man named Conner in the late 70's (used in 'Nam by some specialists). If you can get your hands on "All the World's Fighting Shotguns" (Forgot the author's name) you can learn a lot about this subject.

[@encross8058]

cool

[@Treppoo]

The FAMAS version of the shotgun looks sick

[@guitarlaughlin]

That would be the pancor jackhammer

[@2lowfatmilk606]

@@guitarlaughlin no that would be the H&K caws.

[@Bigvenomsnakeboss]

@@2lowfatmilk606 no it was me I'm hung over

[@sock8211]

@@Bigvenomsnakeboss no that would wait what are we talking about

[@Bigvenomsnakeboss]

@@sock8211 something that looks sick. ;)

[@Pigness7]

you forgot the 76 pump action shotgun

[@michaelmcatamney9231]

And single barrel shotgun from fonv

[@MagnusTonitrum117]

@@michaelmcatamney9231 11:30

[@jpisback]

No, a shotgun with a barrel length under 18ninches is called a Short Barreled Shotgun. The ATF classifies a "sawed-off" or "sawn-off" as a shotgun that has had it's Original barrel cut down; and is illegal under the NFA to do or possess without it being registered to the ATF by a FFL holder with the proper license type to manufacture and Class 3 paperwork; making it either an SBS, Destructive Device or AOW. A Serbu Shorty is an example of shotgun with a barrel shorter than 18 inches and it's not classified as a "sawn-off" - it's also not classified as a SBS. A Streetsweeper can have barrel length under 18 inches and is classified as a Destructive Device.

[@angelovromanov3165]

The ATF grows in retardation every day

[@doomtoaster3924]

I love intrusive gun facts, there's so many, it's great

[@JimmyEatDirt]

If the fallout 3 combat shotgun works as I imagine it must, the rounds must be propelled from the drum magazine through the tube under the barrel then popped up into the chamber, where in theory the whole barrel would reciprocate. Of course, in order for the barrel to reciprocate it would need to draw gas from the firing chamber to cycle the gun, and since there is no room behind the ejection port, the gun must have a fixed firing pin, which also makes no sense because the gun is charged by pulling a handle to the rear and letting go, much like the SKS, which is also weird because the SKS uses a falling block action and... You know what, I'm reading too far into this.

[@WeyounSix]

It took me 3 videos to subscribe because of how many fallout lore you tubers there are, but I keep coming back because of the quality of these videos. You have fully earned a sub

[@erict3728]

Hearing that intro and being overwhelmed by the instinct to move to a safer location shows me that I've been playing too much fallout

[@CaneMcKeyton]

I was very much let down by the lack of shotgun variety in Fallout 4. The hunting shotgun was my favorite weapon in Fallout New Vegas and was disappointed there was no equivalent in 4, at least without mods

[@kohinarec6580]

No huntin' in the East Coast oh wait.

[@josecastillo7869]

I know fallout Is supposed to be futuristic but I like how the older games have realistic looking guns I hate using the assault rifle and other guns now because of how they look I miss when they looked like a gun from real life

[@archdornan8349]

Great content dude, btw could you cover the various pip boys?

[@pharma5325]

Hey man love the videos ive enjoyed everyone so far. Are you going to make videos on energy weapons, all power amor including Eu power armor?

[@Rad_King]

I am for sure going to get into energy weapons, I think power armor is a good idea too!

[@moistvibes5697]

I wish they could bring the Fallout 1 Combat shotgun,to me it looks very unique and can fit in newer Fallout games

[@Thagomizer]

Certainly a more plausible looking design than the FO3 or FO4 combat shotguns.

[@moistvibes5697]

@@Thagomizer personally I liked the Fallout 3 shotgun,should be a more of a junk shotgun and the Fo1 shotgun be more of a military shotgun

[@smokedbeefandcheese4144]

There are mods for it out there

[@moistvibes5697]

@@smokedbeefandcheese4144 not for Fallout 4 unfortunately,however once I build my PC my plan is to learn 3d modeling so I can make some classic guns from Fallout 1&2

[@M-1996A1]

Nice channel, binging these now.

[@adrianrastopsoff9171]

Sawed off also refers to the stock being cut making a handle for an over under

[@disturbedK0]

i listen to these channels without watching the visuals tbh i like quiet commentators who dont put loud annoying edits in their video like you, mitten squad , synonomous, very relaxing and informative even tho its just about a video game its cool how indepth you guys go for our entertainment

[@JacobPlays136]

Nice to see a Winchester 101 in a game! A Winchester 101 Diamond Grade was what I used all through trapshooting when I was in middle/high school!

[@DDSForbbiden]

Great series! How about a video on the Armors of Fallout?

[@heroinboblivesagain5478]

The sawn off shotgun in fallout 3 is actually based off the Ithaca Auto Burglar. Hence the pistol grip.

[@AbrhamPelaez2222]

Maaannn the JackHammer from FO2and Riot Shotgun from New Vegas needs to be in the next fallout, especially the Jackhammer because the design and beign one of the automatic shotguns!

[@sealake7935]

11:23 That gameplay gave me a chuckle XD

[@themangledwither]

I've never been this early but I want to say love your videos!

[@Rad_King]

Thanks! I’m really glad you enjoy them, that’s exactly the reason why I do this! What did you think of the Fallout 2 background footage? Better, worse or don’t care?

[@themangledwither]

@@Rad_King it was good in my opinion as fallout 1 and 2 are vastly different from the newer ones

[@Rad_King]

Glad you liked it. I’ll probably start mixing in background footage from the different games since I think it’s fun to have variety. Have you played the original fallout games at all?

[@themangledwither]

@@Rad_King your welcome and I never thought I'd actually get a reply with this comment

[@Rad_King]

Of course, I love talking to people about fallout. Throw me a comment whenever you want and we can chat!

[@MikefromTexas1]

Great vid man. Shotguns are usually a mandatory weapon for me in these games, they're so fun. Forgot to mention how that shotgun was "Too Down".

[@theherbman2101]

as someone from upstate NY, your pronunciation of Ithaca tickled my brain

[@eatsleepplayrepeat]

A few minor gun details were wrong but this video got great info.

[@doctord.ph.d.4986]

Holy shit. I own a Remington 870, and I never realized that that's the model for fallout nv. That's so cool!

[@bogglemeister4204]

Very informative video aside from a few misuse of nomenclature

[@captainkrabbs5604]

can you do a video about all the pip boys across the games?

[@Stalin99]

You should explore the Chinese lore in fallout and theorize what happened to them

[@Rad_King]

I’m thinking of a video where I look at all the places in the world where Fallout lore is known. China might have to be a standalone video though because they have a lot of lore!

[@Stalin99]

RadKing nice

[@AidenRKrone]

I like hearing about the real-world firearms that the guns of the _Fallout_ franchise are based on. Every time I watch of your "The Weapons of Fallout" videos, I learn about a gun that I didn't know existed.

[@masonivanov]

Shoty like a melody

[@MoonfirePone]

Love the vid. Though got a chuckle from you saying Ithaca the way you did. Its like the way you pronounce the city in the Iliad/Odyssey. They made the gun in a city 20 minutes from where i was born

[@thatminiguy611]

So this would be separate from the normal content but I would enjoy possible a fallout live stream.

[@BodeWinsGames97]

You are a good man, been watching your videos for a couple days, thanks for your work

[@michaelbarker3078]

Your a goood KZbinr but the 870’is a pump shotgun also the 870 also looks like the Winchester 12 too so that as well

[@hanzgrueber145]

There do exist weapons that extract the bullet backwards from the magazine before loading it forward into the chamber I believe the Mars pistol of the 1900’s was one of them

[@christophervanoster]

13:24 In fallout 4 it’s stated that the combat rifle/shotgun are the same gun. The rifle was developed, then they just bored it out and made the magazine bigger to make it a shotgun as well

[@DanateDMC]

God fallout 4 guns make no sense

[@christophervanoster]

@@DanateDMC but this makes perfect sense they do this in the real world too

[@PewTheToaster]

Lore of every vault would be a cool one.

[@Dtenoch]

I’m so glad you’re back

[@Rad_King]

Thanks! I recently moved and our internet is comically terrible so I have a movie 80 percent done and I’m just waiting until we get some better internet to upload the vid.

[@HATECELL]

I think it is highly likely that the lower tube of the combat shotgun in FO4 is a gas tube. The gun is semiautomatic, so it would need some mechanism to cycle itself. Also due to it looking so similar to the combat rifle I think the designs might be related, similar to the AK and Saiga 12 in real life

[@justinskol597]

Great background!

[@foreststeel8842]

The 870 is not a semi auto, it's a pump action

[@jpisback]

The fact that you mentioned the tax stamp for NFA weapons like a sawed-off, or short-barrelled, shotguns means you've done some research. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@uncledibby]

i love that you know your firearms. i love your channel. solid fucking content

[@All-Fur-Coat_No-Trousers]

Great video series man, I love fallout weapon lore. It's always bothered me than Fallout 4 only has two ballistic shotguns to be found throughout the world space. It's an immersion killer in a latter year title. Same with the pistols really. 10mm, .44 revolver & cowboy reskin, and the Deliverer unique! I can see why folks resorted to making shitty pipe weapons.

[@AnAverageGoblin]

the cowboy version of the .44 is actually much stronger if you max it out.

[@bbobb25]

Honestly, the fo3 and fo4 combat shotguns are similar enough that I’d consider the fallout 4 one to be a retcon that fixes the weird magazine placement, rather than a separate model

[@encross8058]

yeah

[@eur0be4t3r]

The design of the Widowmaker looks like the double-barrel used by Mad Max in the Mad Max series

[@robertcross9863]

We do not talk about the single shot shotgun all it's good for is selling my games vendatron has an ever growing selection of theme

[@hanzgrueber145]

The extra tube on the bottom or top of some semi auto shotguns and rifles is the gas tube, it’s what cycles the gun

[@jpax2402]

Hell yeah, my favorite weapon of all time!

[@crossbraun]

The fallout 4/76 combat shotgun also sports what appear to be parts of a Browning Automatic Rifle or BAR, namely the foregrip and back cover to the receiver.

[@Law0086]

I think the Riot Shotgun is more closely related to the Sweeper.

[@Arnuld15Governator]

Bullpup shotguns are surprisingly becoming more common and mainstream in the civilian US market. The last few years had a influx of turkish bullpup shotguns flooding the country. So bullpup shotguns being a thing in the fallout universe is a pretty eerily prediction to what is happening in our real world.

[@bigghoss762]

You're really close on the whole shotgun gauge system but not quite there. The number of the gauge is the number of spherical lead balls of that diameter it would take to equal one pound. So a 12 gauge shoots a lead ball that is 1/12th of a pound. There were several really minor inaccuracies throughout the video but only lifelong gun nerds like myself would notice and none of it really matters much. Overall great video.

[@jakobrandall2293]

The riot shot gun from NV is pretty much a 1 to 1 of the Armsel Striker btw

[@imperialmodelworks8473]

The Winchester model 1911 shotgun was a poor knock off of the Browning A5 (Auto-5) designed by John Browning in 1898 and began production in 1902 or 1905 (i can't remember which off hand).

[@nikik5567]

Just throwing it out there that there’s only one functioning version of the jackhammer.

[@TheMuddler3030]

I don’t mean to be THAT guy but the 870 Wingmaster is a pump not a semi

[@fluffywolfo3663]

2:05 Well, that's what Winchester gets for trying to do the end-run around John Moses Browning's patents tbh

[@DuneRunnerEnterprises]

Great stuff, thanks!!!

[@Tank_Torn]

Look down the barrel of the shotgun you could probably see the shells if light is going in the barrel

[@evetalley6187]

Hey @RadKing any chance we could see a Drugs of Fallout?! Love your videos

[@sleepshouter5017]

I didn’t know about the jackhammer’s landmine magazine feature. I don’t even think Ian from forgotten weapons mentioned that

[@Thagomizer]

I love the Winchester Citykiller, and I want it to return in another Fallout game.

[@carloscolon3331]

The dinnerbell Hunting Shotgun

[@tootallforyou112]

Laughs in 2 gauge

[@korbyynbear5592]

I know this is at late, but I believe the comment about the weapon not being loaded is possibly a dual reference; the line itself is from The fifth Element

[@bradley698]

The New Vegas riot shotgun more so resembles the street sweeper shotgun

[@kohinarec6580]

Love me some coin shot :D

[@Rumins-ja09s]

The fo3 combat shotgun looks a lot like the panic attack from tf2

[@vstar8047]

Good stuff

[@marcosmaximum9719]

Hey now that fallout 76 is out are you going to revisit your vehicles video because I definitely know there's some new unique vehicles in that game

[@Rad_King]

Yeah I will have to revisit a lot of the previous videos for updates as new games are released, but for now I have no plans to do so.

[@marcosmaximum9719]

@@Rad_King oh that's cool man you got plenty of time besides the next fallout gaming probably going to be released for another 6 years if we're lucky

[@Rad_King]

I’m also worried that the next official fallout game is a long ways off. However, the recent sell to Microsoft makes me more hopeful that we will see a game sooner than if Bethesda were still doing their own thing. I mean how long has it been between Skyrim and the next elder scrolls?

[@marcosmaximum9719]

@@Rad_King yeah I'm glad that Bethesda got bought by Microsoft as well it might do them some good and no kidding Skyrim came out like nine years ago I was 14 then and man I was excited but at least we'll be able to see the next elder scrolls in about 2 years

[@Rad_King]

Yeah, I hope all the waiting was worth it for the next elder scrolls. Bethesda has some work to do in order to restore many people’s faith in them.

[@bot_Est1989]

It's always funny to me when fans come up with crazy theories to excuse game devs simply not having a clue when it comes to firearms, military equipment, architecture or basically anything.

[@EmeraldForester777]

76 pump shotgun is my favorite

[@sim.frischh9781]

The Explosive Legendary aplying to all pellets is NOT a "bug" (it´s a FEATURE!), but is "working as intended". After all the idea of an explosive projectile comes to pass whether you use single fire or full auto as well, and a shotgun is just a variation of that, dispersing several projectiles at one pull of the trigger. The faster firing rate (all at once) is just the countereffect to the heavier weight of the weapon.

[@wjmackenzie955]

I would agree. Hard to call it a bug when Bethesda clearly understands it's own game well enough to know how the legendary effects work and has deliberately placed in some overpowered effect/weapon type combos (aeternus, anyone?) And it's just gonna be a fact that some legendary effects are better than others, and certain legendary effects are going to be much better one one type of weapon than they are on another type of weapon.

[@sim.frischh9781]

@@wjmackenzie955 Oh yes. I never understood why the Poison Legendary is so underpowered because it´s one of those "more helps more" kind of effects. Same with fire, that should stack as well, as the enemy is more and more engulfed in flames. Bleeding stacks, which makes sense to SOME degree, once enough wounds are open you no longer can bleed because the pressure in your veins are gone. And it does work on Robots, which makes sense as they can have hydraulic fluids, battery acid and cooling liquids they could "bleed". But them being immune against Poison is questionable, the poison could be corrosive! Radioactivity is an interesting one, but kinda wonky to use in FO due to how it can heal certain enemies.

[@AidenRKrone]

The riot shotgun is quite obviously modeled on an Armsel Striker that has had its stock removed.

[@Mark_317]

I have an explosive shotgun in fallout 4. Its essentially a developer gun.

[@encross8058]

Awesome

[@vizzy61]

oh yeah, i forgot the sawed off barrel still has the bead sight in fallout 4. Maybe the sawed off barrel is an option that was sold prewar, and still had the sight?

[@Horseshoecrabwarrior]

A decent gunsmith can mount new sights to a barrel, it's not far-fetched for a sawn-off shotgun to have a bead sight.

[@vizzy61]

True, bit it is a bit unusual

[@Horseshoecrabwarrior]

@@vizzy61 True, true. Perhaps it is likely that it was sold that way pre-war, because most people post-war probably wouldn't either know how to do it, or care enough to do it.

[@TheStrayHALOMAN]

New Vegas had near perfect shotguns

[@cadet117]

So looking at the combat shotgun and thinking about how it's action could be that freakin long, I have theorized that it may use a loading action similar to the lever action shotguns/rifles from marlin and Winchester. The magazine may have a track that the rounds ride along via a spring housing. But this is just my idea on it.

[@spawnstah7228]

11:20 the Marcus experience

[@SargeWolf010]

Interesting what game is being played in the background?

[@adamfarrell6697]

There's some misinformation here. Shotgun's with short barrels are NOT referred to as sawed offs unless they are actually cut down.

[@jamalsayeed881]

Nope, the magic number is 18 for legality. 26 U.S.C. §§ 5845(a)(1)-(2), (d)

[@adamfarrell6697]

@@jamalsayeed881 thanks, edited

[@CookinWithLeland]

I know it aint much but im subbing

[@grimreaper63151]

10:40 reminds me more of the striker shotgun tbh made in Singapore

[@ryaneaves6855]

On the combat shotgun that unknown loading mechanism that moves the shell to the action is the same as on a pump shotgun it’s the tube only on the combat shotgun the mag feeds the tube. It would be much closer to a magazine fed 870 pump action only it’s semi auto at least everything but the action is the same. Ever want a person with a lot of real world firearms experience to look over these Or to run something past your questioning I’m available.

[@davel9252]

My best shotgun in Fallout 4 is my freezing automatic combat shotgun. Put a quick eject drum magazine and recon scope on it.

[@shiznitts]

Gotta love that F4 combat shotty. PPSH is single handedly the most beautiful firearm to ever grace our destructive little monkey fingers. Not only that but it's so simple in it's function that Joe Schmoe could throw a working replica together if he really wanted to. PS he really wants to.

[@drkalowski256]

870 Wingmaster the first gun I ever owned

[@elchimpo9063]

Some shotguns can be purchased legally in the usa with a barrel length under 18 inches but only if they are manufactured that way not a gripe or complaint just want to Share said info

[@gabr.7878]

I like fallout

[@somedude9383]

You should do miscellaneous items of fallout

[@Shad0wBoxxer]

By the way, those accidental shootings were alot of covered up suicides and such

[@Crazy4monkey117]

Combat shotgun look like semiautomatic shotgun

[@co-mastah8149]

What about Lever Action Shotgun from Far Harbor DLC?