The Solingen attack: what we know so far | rewboss in brief

[@PotsdamSenior]

A crime has been committed, and the police are investigating. For me, that's all I need to know. I hate media and the public speculating, and keep out of that nonsense.

[@frankfurtrob866]

At least you don't risk imprisonment for tweeting something stupid - a fine yes (edit possibly) but jail time is unlikely

[@RobertTaylor-gz2fu]

This sort of thing has happened much more frequently during the last ten years. Someone should work out why that's the case.

[@marge2548]

@@RobertTaylor-gz2fuWell, that is easy to explain, in fact. It all went downhill with more and more people consuming news online and expecting them to be instantly available. And the news portals‘ editors feeling obliged to cater to these exoectations. This leaves practically no time for substantial research of any kind, but much room for speculations. It‘s that simple: If you want to be as fast as demanded by the viewers, you have to lean on speculation. And where you don‘t, you will have to copy the earliest source. Even 20 years ago, the news on TV and radio would have been the first to announce that something happened, relying on police sources, usually, and the next more substantial thing would have been the newspaper the next morning, leaving time for some research. Well, some papers did more than others - the BILD newspaper was even then notorious for a) being faster than others and b) for being rather unreliable. (We use to say: „BILD arrived at the crime scene first. BILD talked to the corpse!“) I became aware of live tickets for the first time during 9/11, but things went downhill from there, with news being ushered faster and faster and the internet becoming more and more important as a source of news both for readers and journalists. Source: What little personal experience I have working in that field. 🙂

[@a_lethe_ion]

@@RobertTaylor-gz2fu its everywhere. more poverty and also less general murders

[@peterclarke7240]

@@frankfurtrob866 There's quite a big difference between "tweeting something stupid" (I've lost my carkeys and I think the Adventure Penguins took them) and the sort of horror show that led to some of the people in the UK getting arrested and jailed. incitement to commit an offence is still illegal whether you shout it on a street corner or tweet it from the comfort and safety of your home.

[@sushisashimi9136]

Facts are now here: Syrian, refugee, IS follower.

[@gegessen159]

Let's not jump to conclusio... AAAAND it's Islam again

[@DavidZ4-gg3dm]

Not a real refugee, just pretending to be.

[@tylersmith3139]

You're being misleading, his asylum claim was denied so he was never accepted as a valid refugee, they just were sloppy in deporting him.

[@baritonfelix]

Very true, and it is sad that it even needs to be pointed out. I notice that neighbouring towns have cancelled their own festivals etc. planned for this weekend. If this attack turns out to be ideologically motivated, the perpetrator has already achieved part of his sinister agenda.

[@rewboss]

Some of them have been cancelled, others haven't. The organizers have to choose between "giving in to the terrorists" on the one hand, and on the other holding a festival right after three people were killed.

[@Thiesi]

For those organizers (interesting you went with the spelling originating in the U.S. btw.) it's basically the choice between Pest and Cholera - whatever they do, someone is gonna tell them they should have done the exact opposite.

[@rewboss]

@@Thiesi The spelling "organize" is less common in British English, but is the one used by the Oxford English Dictionary itself. It's hard to say which spelling came first, but the OED notes that the "-ise" spelling originated in Modern French and British writers have a tendency to prefer "-ise" for words derived from French or Latin but "-ize" for words derived from Greek. But since the Latin suffix was in fact "-izare", the OED says there is absolutely no reason to spell it "-ise", and so uniformly spells it "-ize".

[@moonoom764]

I think they cancelled it out of safety reasons because the perpetrator hadn't even been caught yet.

[@RobertTaylor-gz2fu]

@@moonoom764 Islamic State claimed it yesterday.

[@michaelburggraf2822]

It seems that people increasingly think that they already know something about a matter when they've just formed an opinion about it. What's so difficult about being fair and decent enough to admit that I don't know enough about a matter to be able to form an opinion about it? Thank you, Andrew, for being a voice of reason.

[@losttribe9107]

Maybe people are observant.

[@dansattah]

@@losttribe9107 Typical Dunning-Kruger Effect. Too much pride and too little experience in law enforcement or journalism to recognize your own short-comings.

[@losttribe9107]

@@dansattah Typical Stockholm Syndrome response.

[@dansattah]

@@losttribe9107 Unlike Dunning-Kruger, that isn't even recognized as a real condition. XD

[@losttribe9107]

​@@dansattah Of course not. You are the thoroughly credentialed expert.

[@afjo972]

They actually knew from the beginning that he was Arab because he screamed something in Arabic

[@Touhou-forever]

This is quite serious but I think we all try to remain calm and let the German police do their investigation

[@jonothankaplan]

you don't say

[@juanignaciolopeztellechea9401]

A video about 3 people dying is serious!? Who could've gessed that?

[@RobertTaylor-gz2fu]

very

[@Touhou-forever]

@@jonothankaplan I mean In October of last year the capital city of Ireland Dublin was set on fire many police officers were injured all because of a person from Algeria

[@jonothankaplan]

@@Touhou-forever I think you need to read more, that is a very shallow observation about a broader issue affecting most of Western Europe.

[@SolarWebsite]

Nuance on the internet. We need more of that.

[@i.k.8868]

What is nuanced about this video? He started off by making a mockery of what people were saying. And he turned out to be completely wrong.

[@SolarWebsite]

@@i.k.8868 No, he wasn't wrong. The information in this video was superseded by developments - and he was very clearly at the very beginning about that he expected it to go that way. And, mockery? People were jumping to conclusions before they had any real information. How is that mockery?

[@i.k.8868]

​@@SolarWebsite Real information like: He randomly killed three people at a festival, he shouted allahu akbar, he had a beard, wore all black, looked like an arab... And then this guy twisted what people were saying to make them look like extremists.

[@soundscape26]

@@i.k.8868 It's obvious he made this video because of what happened in the UK where false information spread like wildfire and led to the riots. Fortunately the German public was way more sensible.

[@matoko123]

Anyway this one turns out to be a Syrian refugee, non-white, exactly what most semi intelligent non pc people supposed.

[@John_Weiss]

Thank You, Andrew, for reminding us that "arrested" doesn't mean, "arrested the *_correct person."_* I live in the US, where police are often portrayed like the Pope: Infallible. Well, they're all human, so they can make mistakes. Again, good on ya for stomping down on that *always false* assumption that "arrested==guilty".

[@TroelsNybo1st]

Also, in some cases it may actually be necessary for the police to arrest someone at a stage when the question of guilt is still very open. And present day Germany is considered by independent observers to have one of the best legal systems in the world.

[@i.k.8868]

Actually in the US the police can actually be held accountable, and are. In Europe the police is above the law in most cases.

[@gerhardjahnke6268]

In Europe the police is accountable too. In all countries there may be problems to prove wrongdoings of police if they do not cooperate though.

[@i.k.8868]

@@gerhardjahnke6268 Are you being serious? Since when do cops in for instance the Netherlands have to fear for prosecution for making racist remarks, beating suspects during interrogations or inside transport vans, using illegal choke holds?

[@stephenlee5929]

@@i.k.8868 I thought most US police were covered by qualified immunity.

[@noobdernoobder6707]

You are a true gem for KZbin and I am glad that you are here and that you chose Germany to live in. One of the rare beacons for reason, rationality, information and some fine woven in British humour out there in the wide swamp that the internet is.

[@memememe-jy4df]

Thanks for always keeping a cool head and thinking clearly and objectively about situations that cause a lot of people to jump to speculation and fear-mongering. I hope more people can learn to act this way.

[@hamira1696]

You know what the worst part is? Every news outlet in Germany has their comments turned off on KZbin. I am sick of it

[@lagavulin7194]

Why?

[@leDespicable]

Can't blame them, just take one look at a comments section of the few that don't have them turned off, and it's all full of conspiracy theorists and right-wingers screeching like banshees at anything that doesn't align with their ideas

[@brendanmay9585]

​@@lagavulin7194because they don't want to deal with the open racism in the comment section.

[@soundscape26]

What's the problem with that? You don't have comments available when you watch TV do you?

[@ivettbátor]

Enjoy the diversity and willkommenskultur Kraut..

[@norbitcleaverhook5040]

Al Jazera are reporting that ISIL are claiming responsibility for the attack. Though, neither AlJazera or ISIL are trustworthy sources and ISIL are notorious for claiming responsibility for attacks which they had not carried out. Really sad news for the the families of the deceased and the German people in general. RIP.

[@rewboss]

IS has claimed responsibility but hasn't provided any proof. It's common for terror organisations to claim responsibility for attacks like this: it's just propaganda.

[@matoko123]

@@rewboss LOL still kidding yourself a non white carried out the attack?

[@fightinglionenjoyer4503]

@@rewbossReuters has already reported the suspect is of Syrian descent

[@norbitcleaverhook5040]

​@@rewboss​@rewboss Yeah I figured as much. Hasn't stopped GBnews from reporting it without a disclaimer

[@sk.43821]

​@@rewboss Tja, dann kommt ja bald das anknüpfende Video über die Toten der Frau Merkel, Frau Fäser, CDU, SPD, Grüne. Viel Spaß damit!

[@qugart.]

The good thing about such an assessment video is that it brings out those who are not so blessed with wisdom.

[@Winstonsmithsalias]

And also those with Stockholm Syndrome.

[@jennyjohn704]

@@Winstonsmithsalias Since that alleged syndrome only related to hostages, it is hardly relevant here.

[@matoko123]

You mean the guy that made the video? Talk about stupid!

[@sk.43821]

Geistiger Verlierer

[@Winstonsmithsalias]

@@jennyjohn704 Another symptom is not realising you are a hostage, as relayed by yourself.

[@debbievanberkel9757]

this didnt age well

[@DerDude-vr1jz]

Leftist cope never does

[@soundscape26]

Seems you completely missed what he said at the beginning... it's obvious this video would be outdated pretty quickly.

[@MS-ii1sv]

​@@soundscape26What was the point of making the video? To try and deflect from the 99% probablility that the speculation was correct?

[@matoko123]

@@MS-ii1sv Exactly. He basically tells us not to take the facts presented to us in life and use them to form an educated opinion. The fool probably considers every snake he encounters in life to be non poisonous, until it bites him.

[@soundscape26]

@@MS-ii1sv How was that a deflection when he put the characteristics of the attacker on screen?

[@sirjosephwhitworth9415]

Do we have an update on this video's news?

[@annabelholland]

From Dublin to Southport, to (a failed one that cancelled a Taylor Swift concert in) Vienna and to Solingen? It's all in Europe, in the span of a year.

[@peterclarke7240]

All while Putin rubs his hands together gleefully, and the likes of Farage and that filthy scumbag Tate rake it in.

[@RobertTaylor-gz2fu]

Mannheim as well.

[@ThamiorSilberdrache]

So you assume a connection between all of those and Solingen? That's a mere assumption right now, so you are speculating. Exactly what rewboss said we shouldn't do and leave it to the authorities! Your speculation isn't helping anyone but terrorists and populists.

[@HelmutQ]

@@RobertTaylor-gz2fu Also the shooting in Frankfurt was among muslims for reasons of blood revenge. Keine Bereicherung.

[@davidpk_fam9313]

Thank you for being so objective and rational. As a german im am sick off and actually scared about the recent shift to the right and the rampant racism and conspiracy theorys in this country. It honestly feels like it never left but for multiple reasons racists and full on nazis are getting less and less scared and ashamed of showing themselves and their opinions

[@matoko123]

It's a delicate subject that we're supposed to ignore. But, different cultures in large numbers in close proximity is a recipe for conflict. Why should anyone be ashamed for recognising the facts? You should be ashamed for burying your head in the sand and pretending it'll all turn out okay.

[@davidpk_fam9313]

@@matoko123 assholes and psychos live in every country, youre just racist if you think a problem like this is based on race and not multiple factors like poverty and religious extremism

[@PhlegmaticAbsentee]

Dude, in 2023 we had a big rise of right wing extremist crimes, ca. 7.000 cases in the first half of the year. This year it peaked again with ca. 10.000 cases, reaching almost 50% of all political motivated crimes. At the same time left wing extremism is "only" 13%. We definetly have a greater problem with right extremist crimes than with minority groups like immigrants.

[@davidpk_fam9313]

@@PhlegmaticAbsentee don't even bother with that, they have their worldview set and stats and facts won't pursade them. Hate is too strong of an emotion, it inhibits rational thinking and encourages wanting simple answers to complex problems

[@PhlegmaticAbsentee]

@@davidpk_fam9313 I get that, but maybe other readers care and sometimes I just want to oppose bullcrap.

[@ossital1808]

many thanks

[@HelmutQ]

It is only a couple of weeks ago and a multitude of terrorist attacks perpetrated by muslim immigrants have occurred. The situtation has become unsustainable and require immediate and drastic action, if need be under an emergency act. No time to wait and see what really happened in a single case. The government has understood this and has started to perform acts which until recently have been considered against the law by many courts. Many of these "laws" have been invented by the courts themselves in a completely unhinged pretence of "interpretation". What was against the law was the admission of illegals ever since 2015. This can be reverted. Duldung is temporary by nature, it does not give rise to acquired rights. Remigration of hundreds of thousands of people whether voluntary or not is inevitable. Hungary is forcing the hand with its bussing to Brussels. Illegal immigration was the main cause of Britain leaving the EU. Something many regret, but not all. The NGOs shipping the people across the Mediterrenian must be face with all legal consequences including the seizure and destruction of their vessels and the incarceration of crews. Genug ist genug

[@anantrelan4071]

Islamic State has claimed responsibility for the attack.

[@rewboss]

Naturally: terrorist organizations like to take responsibility for this kind of thing. But that doesn't mean they really were responsible.

[@IsomerSoma]

​​@@rewboss The terrorist is a syrian sunni muslim who came to Germany in 2022 according to Spiegel as a "refugee". In case he wasn't coordinating with IS i don't think he is mad about them calling him yheir soldier.

[@brendanmay9585]

​@@rewbossexactly. Taking responsibility is cheap marketing.

[@MS-ii1sv]

​@@rewbossTerrorist organizations taking credit for this is a gift to the regime and to people like you. It shifts the blame to some amorphous and unaccountable organization rather than to where it belongs which is with the authorities and their cheerleaders.

[@DavidZ4-gg3dm]

@@rewboss The perpetrator was at least inspired by IS. No-one does this sort of thing in the name of Buddhism.

[@anselmschueler]

There's a typo in the description (first line): shcoking

[@rewboss]

Fixed. Thanks.

[@a_lethe_ion]

mediterranean could be an italian, soaniard, greek, portugues, turk, german, german who came ancestry wise from like the carpathian area like my teacher.. its like.. not very descriptive. we dont know so we have to wait

[@RobertTaylor-gz2fu]

It's highly unlikely it'll be a European; if it is it'll be a Balkan.

[@a_lethe_ion]

@@RobertTaylor-gz2fu stop being racist. why do you think its unlikely when right wing extremist violence has the same rates as extremist other political violence and theres just more germans. also the balkans are partially europe you champion

[@RobertTaylor-gz2fu]

@@a_lethe_ion When have they done mass stabbings?

[@matoko123]

@@RobertTaylor-gz2fu A Balkan? Where on earth did you come up with that?

[@johannageisel5390]

I have no idea where this description came from, because the police had not published a description by 3pm. They said the witness reports did not agree with each other.

[@stephenbamforth1514]

Thank you for your calming video.

[@matoko123]

The only place I've heard 'of Mediterranean appearance' is on this video! He's the one spreading misinformation! I have however heard Arab looking on the BBC.

[@soundscape26]

@@matoko123 Mediterranean looking and Arab are not mutually exclusive are they?

[@matoko123]

@@soundscape26 Whether you like it or not one tends to consider the term Mediterranean to refer to The European Mediterranean countries. Certainly the looks are not the same. A Moroccan and a Greek do not share the same features. I think it's clear why this guy uses the term Mediterranean. Anyway, with hindsight we now know that the killer was not Mediterranean, he was an Arab, a Syrian refugee in fact.

[@soundscape26]

@@matoko123 This guy? Anyone who knows Andrew for long enough knows very well he's not here to deceive anyone. He already explained in another comment the Mediterranean reference was a translation thing from German sources.

[@matoko123]

@@soundscape26 His aim was to mislead, portray himself as a good, pc, guy and to frown upon people with sufficient common sense to realise that the chances of the killer being non white were about 95%.

[@soundscape26]

Very useful and timely video Andrew. We all have to do our best to tackle disinformation.

[@matoko123]

The only place I've heard 'of Mediterranean appearance' is on this video! He's spreading misinformation! I have however heard Arab looking on the BBC.

[@ulmi52]

Thank you Rewboss😊

[@axelplate9080]

Wrooooong!!! Don't believe anything! Anyone suggesting anything beyond what we know is at best a liar, and at worst a person who makes lies for personal gain. Seriously, good of you to make a stand. Let the police handle the matter. This is the reason i don't do antisocial media.

[@matoko123]

and what thoughts will go through your mind when it transpires the killer is non white?

[@interekwebinars]

@@matoko123 It’s as bad as learning that the perpetrator was left-handed, a vegetarian, 56 years old and Siberian 2 generations back.

[@FearlessXful]

​@@matoko123what will you do then? Riot and attack innocent people like your pals in the UK?

[@SolarWebsite]

@@matoko123 And what went through your head when you found out that the suspect (_suspect_, mind you!) was found in asylum seeker center?

[@matoko123]

@@SolarWebsite What goes through my mind? It's exactly as I would have guessed. Anyway this one turns out to be a Syrian refugee, non-white, exactly what most semi intelligent people supposed.

[@MoxxoM]

Well, an asylum seeker admitted it to the police so no surprises.

[@tobyk.4911]

14 hours after the upload of this video there were more information available as when the video was recorded? Also no surprise.

[@ivettbátor]

​@@tobyk.4911 Oh yes, The real surprise would have been if the guy was a blonde swedish yelling 'Jesus'

[@MoxxoM]

@@tobyk.4911 You do know what a surprise is, don’t you?

[@ralfjansen9118]

They have found the murderer (blood stains of the victims on his garment), and it has been indeed an obvious terrorist from Syria. Yes, thank you for your calm words, but you know the colour of his hair when the police explicitly avoid mentioning it. I have very rarely heard of lethal right wing attacks on "diversity" events but islamistic terror attacks are, sadly, quite common nowadays. And even more sadly, these harm the reputation of normal, peaceful, good muslim people living here, too.

[@rewboss]

The police said he was "südländisch" in appearance. In which universe does that not mean dark or black hair?

[@dansattah]

Just for the record, "Syrian" does not automatically mean "Muslim". My Syrian father grew up in the Christian District of Damascus and I've been an atheist all my life.

[@moldovanmoldovan7593]

But he is our refugee! We must embrace our FATE! Lammen

[@brendanmay9585]

​@@moldovanmoldovan7593 what kind of bullshit is that. The perpetrator will be punished once their guilt is proven. There is no 'acceptance'. 😂

[@ralfjansen9118]

@@dansattah oh yes, all these christian suicide bombers with their expected 72 virgins^^

[@fubini_yt]

Days like these make we want to quit the Internet and social media for good.

[@Scarygomez]

👋

[@Zantorc]

Well that aged pretty badly. Witnesses claimed he was shouting Allahu akbar (and this would have been caught on mobile phone). Islamic State has claimed responsibility and described the perpetrator as a 'soldier'. A man living in refugee accommodation has been arrested. (A 15 year old was also arrested on suspicion of not reporting an imminent crime since he was heard discussing it with the perpetrator before it took place). All this comes from mainstream sources.

[@norbitcleaverhook5040]

ISIL always claims things they had nothing to do with.

[@rewboss]

I'm not saying this wasn't an Islamic terrorist act, I'm saying we have to be careful about spreading information that hasn't been confirmed. Witness testimony is often unreliable (there was a case a few years ago where witnesses thought they heard a gunman yell "Allahu Akbar!" but it was actually other people yelling "Alles raus hier!" which is German for "Everybody get out!"), and remember that there was loud music playing at the time. IS has claimed responsibility, but that means nothing: terrorist organisations like the claim responsibility for attacks even if they had nothing to do with them. So far, IS hasn't provided any evidence to back up their claim. And of course, as I said in the video: this is a rapidly developing story, so of course my video is going to go out of date very quickly.

[@IsomerSoma]

​@@rewboss While i agree on principle regarding speculation it feels like you very much not want it to be a muslim terrorist as you are aware of how terrible of a look this is for your probably preferred policy direction regarding immigration and a "diverse" europe. At this point its pretty secure that this was yet another Islamic terror attack.

[@Zantorc]

@@norbitcleaverhook5040 A 26 year old Syrian refugee handed himself in to the police, so it is reasonable to assume he is cooperating to some extent. German federal prosecutors, claim that he is a member of Islamic State. So I think the evidence has shifted in favor of that being true.

[@norbitcleaverhook5040]

​@@ZantorcMaybe, but keep in mind that Isis took responsibility for the Las Vegas shooting and had nothing to do with it. I'm not claiming that the man wasn't ideologically motivated, jut that Islamic State aren't a trustworthy source. The man could well just be a lone wolf.

[@JustRememberWhoYoureWorkingFor]

On one hand it's wrong when people invent things on social media, but on the other hand after the recent attack in Southport, UK, authorities initially refused to disclose the identity of the attacker and THANKS to people speculating on social media the identity was finally revealed! In other words, it took people speculating for our right to know to be respected!

[@rewboss]

There are laws, which apply to _everyone,_ making it illegal to identify a suspect who is a minor until legal proceedings begin. This is in line with our western values of due process and "innocent until proven guilty", which are values we are trying to defend -- precisely because we are not violent religious fundamentalists bent on revenge. Since the suspect was arrested at the scene, there was literally no reason whatsoever to need to know his identity. None at all. Either he was the killer, in which case all you need to know is that he's in police custody and no longer a threat; or he wasn't, in which case, unknown to you, the man the police have is innocent and the killer is still at large, so you're just being lulled into a false sense of security. You do not have any _right_ to know the identity of the suspect, at least not until he is brought to trial, and even then not usually until he's been found guilty. This is _especially_ the case if you're dealing with a child: this same law would protect your child from vigilante justice if, for example, he or she were wrongly charged with a crime they didn't commit. The fact that a court had to waive the suspect's right to anonymity because a few extremist activists hijacked a wake for the victims to start violent riots is NOT a victory for democracy. On the contrary: it is a sign that law and order are breaking down and you -- because it seems you sympathize with the rioters, if you are not actually one yourself -- are destroying the very foundations of the society were are trying to protect from extremists. You don't get to complain about "immigrants" breaking the law when you're breaking it yourself for the sake of a "right" you imagine -- incorrectly -- that you have.

[@marge2548]

@@rewbossWord!

[@HelmutQ]

@@rewboss SImply wrong. You cannot give the name of the minor and his picture. But you can state he is a minor and his nationality. No personal rights affected. It's not up to you to decide what people need to know. You are entitled to assist the trial that is before he is convicted and you'll hear his name, see his face there. Your rules of moral conduct are simply mad up to serve your agenda. You are accusing someone commenting of sympathising with the rioters. More likely you sympathise with the perpetrators and the politicians responsible for this crisis. Sympathising falls short of supporting and clearly is not a crime. It is you who does not have the right to decide what we have to know and what not, what we think and say and what not.

[@JustRememberWhoYoureWorkingFor]

@@HelmutQ hear hear!! 👏🏻

[@TheMexxodus]

Unfortunately, the rumors were true. Another attack by an asylum seekers in Germany. And by a man refused entry or status. The fact the police only captured the culprit after a few days because he himself went to the police, is telling. And even more shocking Solingen has an asylum seekers center right in the middle of town only a few hundred meters from were the attack took place? I'm stunned at the fact the German government seems unable to stop this kind of violence, although I know 'lone wolfs' are hard to predict and stop. Undoubtedbly the German security forces have prevented many other attacks, .... But many now seem to accept it's a fact of modern-day life, but I find this unacceptable.

[@rewboss]

1. He wasn't refused entry. Germany applied to have Bulgaria process his claim, as that's where he had first entered the EU. 2. Since the German authorities lost track of him until after the deadline had passed, Germany had to process his claim. 3. He was then granted subsidiary protection. He didn't qualify as a refugee because he wasn't claiming to be persecuted for his race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, etc. 4. The police went to his shelter to arrest him, having positively identified him as their main suspect. As they were looking for him, he suddenly appeared. He couldn't get past the police, and he was still wearing bloodstained clothes, so he apparently decided he wasn't going to try and evade arrest.

[@TheMexxodus]

@@rewboss Ok. Thanks forcthe clarifications. But still no-one in this shelter reported him (with bloody clothing?) for days after this attack? And neither the police checked up on this. And it demonstrates one of the major failings of the Dublin protocol. All EU first-entry countries should take transiting asylum seekers back immediately. But most simply are transit places to Western European countries. And refuse to do so.

[@rewboss]

@@TheMexxodus I don't know if he had been seen by anyone at the shelter before his arrest, or even whether he had been there in the meantime. Bulgaria did, incidentally, agree to take the suspect back and process his application, but the German authorities lost track of him and missed the deadline to transfer him; for that reason Germany became responsible for the application process.

[@thehikinghessian836]

Thank you, Andrew.

[@stephenlee5929]

Same. Thanks Andrew.

[@DerDude-vr1jz]

Cope to the max

[@winterlinde5395]

Thank you, Andrew!!!🌸

[@arnodobler1096]

yes thx👍

[@makumbaDE]

Looking at the comments I think the next Olympic sport should be "mental gymnastics".

[@jeromeevangelista7421]

Islamic State already admitted

[@rewboss]

IS has "claimed responsibility". It doesn't mean they're telling the truth.

[@HelmutQ]

@@rewboss There is clear evidence including a video with the criminal. It is not 100 % certain but beyond 99.9

[@DavidZ4-gg3dm]

@@rewboss He certainly had an Islamist motive.

[@matoko123]

Most of my comments have been removed, they are deemed unacceptable, truthful as they are. But hey, some people just don't want others to hear the truth.

[@videomailYT]

Selbst wenn wir nicht das Motiv kennen, kann es doch einige Möglichkeiten geben, welche der Auslöser für diese Tat gewesen sein könnte. Zum Beispiel: psychische Probleme; unzufrieden mit seiner aktuellen Situation und deswegen sowas wie ein Racheakt; vielleicht auch nur um Aufmerksamkeit zu erlangen, das war vielleicht ein Hilfeschrei...jedenfalls ist es nicht aus Langeweile passiert, hoffentlich...

[@AP-lc5ys]

Klar, diese psychischen Probleme die ausschliesslich muslimische Migranten haben.

[@Schmidtelpunkt]

@@AP-lc5ys Nicht wirklich - das sind nur die einzigen Fälle, die in deine Filterbubble vordringen.

[@MS-ii1sv]

​@@SchmidtelpunktNice. These people are lost. Is that a clever retort? That the state is willingly bringing in unstable people?

[@Schmidtelpunkt]

@@MS-ii1sv No, that unstable people exist, even in cases where the likes of you refuse to take notice.

[@MS-ii1sv]

@@Schmidtelpunkt I take notice. Unstable people are very common amongst the Merkel pets.

[@nihil-baxter]

Description was "arabic" - that is what we know.

[@matoko123]

Not quite right, but of an Arabic appearance. I'm totally shocked at the revelation.

[@sisuguillam5109]

Which means what?

[@matoko123]

@@sisuguillam5109 Arab people (الشَّعْبَ الْعَرَبِيّ), are an ethnic group mainly inhabiting the Arab world in West Asia and North Africa.

[@a-s7623]

As always 😅

[@marge2548]

Interesting - seems as if KZbin ghosted me completely.

[@Merrsharr]

I can see your comment

[@user-ve7hn2dh8h]

Your comment is there but I feel you, about 1 in 2 comments I write, are immediately deleted by youtube

[@ChrisWar666]

And looks like some whistles have started from your audience/botfarms

[@stewartgriffin6907]

"everybody who disagrees with me is a bot"

[@ChrisWar666]

@@stewartgriffin6907 or manipulated and influenced by the many bot farms, yes..... Welcome to the new arena for propaganda.

[@Nintentoni]

Why aren't you using your Outro anymore?

[@rewboss]

I use it on videos longer than about 4 or 5 minutes long. For a two-minute video, a 20-second outro is just a bit too much.

[@Delibro]

He's not using his intro in his short videos (about 3 min), he IS using it in the normal ones (about 7 minutes).

[@stewartgriffin6907]

nobody would ever describe german police as "woke", that's a strawman

[@rewboss]

People often describe German police as "woke". They're wrong about that, obviously, but they do.

[@gulliverthegullible6667]

​@@rewboss those people obviously have never had an encounter with German police.

[@brendanmay9585]

Really? I have never seen or heard anyone using the term woke for German police. I mean everything is possible and obviously I am only one person, but in my experience the more common (and valid) criticism is exactly the opposite. Think about the chat protocols in Frankfurt. ​@@rewboss

[@michaelburggraf2822]

I'd say that it depends on political tendencies how police and their work is judged. I've encountered quite conservative and even a bit prejudiced officers. But I've also met very considerate and cautious officers. However in both cases I have to say that they seriously tried to do their jobs according to the professional standards expected of them almost always.

[@dennisbouma7606]

It was diversity in action

[@thomaswilkinson3241]

😢

[@gargoyle7863]

What we know: Way too much such "single incidents" in recent years. People demand major political change, but the politicians in charge are unable or unwilling to deliver.

[@l3p3]

Way too much? Any stats? Are you aware that we have millions of migrants and _only_ so few extreme cases like these? Are you aware that in your glorious past, there also had been brutalities, many of them left relatively unreported?

[@gargoyle7863]

@@l3p3 Congrats. You're the first in denial of reality today... How about the official crime stat of the police? Decreasing crimes for decades but increase in recent years. Yeah, yeah, I know it's climate change. Heat makes people more aggressive. (No Joke, ZDF claimed this.)

[@KaiHenningsen]

The problem is that various groups of the population have different, sharply conflicting ideas about what politicians should deliver.

[@gargoyle7863]

@@KaiHenningsen I would say there is wide consensus for restricting immigration. But since we have no Swiss style democracy we have to wait until the political parties pick this up.

[@Guy-Zero]

@@gargoyle7863 Some sort of direct democracy wouldnt work here and shouldnt exist here. For that to work the population would need to be educated on all the topics and we would really need to stop misinformation. But the population isnt educated at all. In a lot of cases thats not their fault though (It would be way to much work and mentally exhausting to be educated on every topic while having a normal life with a job. Thats why we elect people whos whole job is to do just that. But a lot of them seem to listen to companies more than actual facts which is why we need stronger systems in place to prevent that). I know some people that already have a certain world view and are unwilling to change even when presented with actual information and logic. Politics should be done based on facts not based on feelings.

[@pascalfriedmann1479]

Yes, it is completely reasonable to assume that the perpretator's name is Karlheinz Schmitz. Who knows?

[@rewboss]

I'm not saying it is completely reasonable to assume that his name is Karlheinz Schmitz. I'm saying we should make no assumptions at all. He's of "Mediterranean" appearance. Okay, but what does tell us? Is he from southern Europe? North Africa? The Middle East? Is he new to the country, or was he born here? Is he an Islamist? A Palestinian who thinks Germany supports Israel? An Israeli who thinks Germany supports Palestine? A refugee from a war zone with untreated PTSD?

[@MarkTheBlogger]

Here in the UK, a false name and accompanying picture was being shared quickly. On Twitter, obviously. Social media just creates its own truths and forgets people have d*ed.

[@es2139]

@@rewboss Genuinely curious: What do you think is the likelyhood, that he is actually Italian or Spanish, based on everything we have experienced in the past few years in regards to these incidents? And secondly, if it (as usual) turns out to be a Muslim of Arab or North African background, what does it matter, what motive he had, when he committed those murders. He shouldn't have been here in the first place and it would again be a blatantly obvious signal, that the immigration policy of the past decade now accounts for another three dead Germans next to the dozens of already killed German men, women and children, thousands of raped and assaulted German women and girls as well as the billions spent by German taxpayer money to house and feed those people.

[@matoko123]

;)

[@matoko123]

@@es2139 t's a shame the west is 'instructed' on their immigration policies.

[@andysee6045]

Also you might ask yourself why the Guardian is headlining with a pride flag and candles in tribute to the murdered victims, yet we haven't been told they were gay yet.

[@jonistan9268]

Rainbow flags are a regular peace symbol, that's why the queer community started using it in the first place.

[@andysee6045]

@@jonistan9268 I don't think that's the explanation here.

[@rewboss]

I'm not seeing that: right now the Guardian has a picture of some candles and a floral display that reads "SG/650" -- that refers to 650 years of Solingen, so must have been planted for the festival and the candles happen to have been placed in front of it. I expect what you saw was either an error that was later corrected (the wrong photo was used), or a placeholder stock image that wasn't checked properly to see if it was appropriate. These things happen from time to time.

[@andysee6045]

@@rewboss No, if you search for an article headed "Solingen stabbing comes amid steep rise in knife crime in Germany" you'll see the pride flag, a close up of which was the main pic on the Guardian for several hours yesterday.

[@rewboss]

@@andysee6045 That's more likely to be a Peace flag, but whoever put it there put it upside-down. Anyway, there's no sign of any deliberate agenda: that was the memorial, the flag was there, what did you expect them to do? Photoshop the flag out?

[@MS-ii1sv]

Maybe the video should have been titled "What everyone knows without needing to be told."

[@auslegungssache]

no surprises here :)

[@lovemunchkin]

Sensivity ahhh

[@AntonGudenus]

That the description would be a 20 something old male of "mediterranean appearance" (Syria is also bordering the mediterranean) with a beard was clear the second we didn't get a description for so long and by simply looking at what was attacked and how, all the while being informed, that it most likely was a terrorist attack. There are not that many terrorist organisations, that would attack a festival like this with randomly stabbing people in the crowd. So the only other likely option would have been someone doing an "Amoklauf", but that would not have made the police talking about a terrorist attack (the police wanted to not publish any speculative information, so they definitely knew it was a terrorist attack) And it would have ended with the perpetrator being shot by police or killing themselves. That information was withheld so long is precisely because of what happened in the UK. It was the police rightfully trying to avoid the same situation, but as usual choosing the wrong way to do so. Telling people directly would have been much much more effective in avoiding people already suspecting what's going on, and then feeling reaffirmed. Reaffirming already slowly festering racist stereotypes against "mediterranean looking individuals" is not something we should ever do as a society. Not being straight with those facts is just making the actual racists, that attribute any and all stabbings to "evil immigrants", seem right and "the only ones that will tell you the truth". We can't have that as a society. Being open with the facts might have the danger of bad outcomes in the short term, but it saves us from even worse outcomes in the future, because it increases trust in the authorities and society. Obvious lying and omitting knowledge is destroying this trust. And it's a hard earned trust. Much more so with people already being prone to loose it.

[@JblackSupportTeam]

And now every single Muslim organization in Germany will be asked or forced to clearly distance themselves from the attack and the motives of the perpetrator (whoever that may be).

[@rewboss]

You really don't understand how things work, do you? The police might withhold information if releasing it might jeopardize their investigation (e.g. by tipping off the suspect), but they don't release information until they are reasonably sure it's correct. They didn't release a full description earlier because they didn't have one -- even today they are saying witnesses are giving contradictory descriptions of the suspect (the description they have released is the best they can do right now). That the police haven't said it wasn't a terrorist attack doesn't mean they think it is, it just means it's possible it might be. The German "Amoklauf" means any multiple murder (or attempt) committed as an act of terrorism or due to a psychological issue during which the perpetrator expects a high risk of being killed (although they don't actually have to be killed), so even if the police did use that word, it wouldn't rule out a terrorist motive. If you were to release a description of a murderer right after a brutal multiple stabbing in a crowded and dark place, you'd have everyone on the lookout for a tall five-foot skinny man with a beer belly and a ginger beard to match his black hair, wearing a light-coloured black jacket, and at least six months pregnant.

[@AntonGudenus]

@@rewboss The police released the information, that this was most likely a terrorist attack yesterday evening not even a an hour after the attack. They were talking about an "Anschlag" then allready. So they must have been quite sure of that. And in German and international parlance, there very much is a distinction between Amok and terrorism, even if the exact borders are sometimes not easily definable, because for instance many of the recent lone-wolf IS "terrorists" seem to use terrorism (and islamism) more as an afterthought rationalisation for an attack that would otherwise fall much more into the category of amok than terror. de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amok#Amoklauf_und_Terrorismus Also police might withhold infromation not just for "ermittlungstaktische Gründe" but also for reasons of public safety. Something that very much would be the case, if looking at the context of what happened in the UK.

[@AntonGudenus]

@@JblackSupportTeam It's a vicious cycle, we need to somehow break. The idea of blaming the attacks of a few dickheads on their whole largely incidental ethnic/religious group is ridiculous. Just like it's quite ridiculous that the predominate amount of those Muslim organisations need to repeatedly distance themselves because of purely incidental connections.

[@rewboss]

@@AntonGudenus "Anschlag" just means any particularly violent attack, whether or not it is politically or religiously motivated. And the authorities are not yet sure it was terrorism. The public prosecutor has just said, in a press conference, that a "terrorist motive cannot be ruled out", which means that it may be terrorism, but it may not be. Incidentally, what happened in the UK was not the result of the _police_ giving out information, but the result of random people on social media spreading _false_ information. The police deliberately withholding information for the reasons you state would just make it easier for the fake news to circulate unchallenged.

[@jancleve9635]

Nice, summary.

[@roterfrosch5808]

Amen.

[@roterfrosch5808]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZCWdKuugpeUqcUsi=NOlbArwMSQVgbTEu Es ist nun mehr bekannt. Habe die Hubschrauber gehört, jetzt ist mir klar, warum.

[@prismaticc_abyss]

Ah yes, its the bearded Mediterranean italians, know for frequent knife attacks, oh not wait, perhaps its a Croat, those live next to the Mediterranean

[@RobertTaylor-gz2fu]

I've not heard Mediterranean as the description, but I've heard "Arab-looking". I'll be very surprised if he's not a Muslim of MENA origin.

[@soundscape26]

Did you forget North Africa has a huge Mediterranean coast by an chance?

[@prismaticc_abyss]

@@soundscape26 no, read the comment again.

[@matoko123]

@@RobertTaylor-gz2fu Me too. The only place I've heard Mediterranean is on this video! He's spreading misinformation!

[@RobertTaylor-gz2fu]

@@matoko123 I've heard Arab-looking & the even more vague Southern.

[@mabix69]

I live in Solingen and have lived here my whole life. Luckily, I didn't go to the festival because I was tired and wanted to go to bed. Fortunately, all my friends who were there are fine. What I think is completely unacceptable is that just one day after the attack there was an approved right-wing demonstration by the Junge Alternative (youth organization of right-wing party Alternative für Deutschland) and one day later there was one with the theme "Remigration now". There were also left-wing counter-demonstrations, e.g. by Antifa. Personally, I find it absolutely tasteless to immediately start a demonstration, for whatever reason, be it left-wing or right-wing, instead of just remembering the victims.

[@autokorrektor8166]

We should not let this isolated event cause us to judge others of that same race. We must adjust, adapt, and embrace other cultures.....

[@matoko123]

Diversity is a word used to describe the eradication of the white race.

[@tortenschachtel9498]

How many isolated events is a pattern?

[@matoko123]

My, possibly too factual, response was deleted. That says it all.

[@matoko123]

@@tortenschachtel9498 I do hope you're not suggesting that non whites in Europe are responsible for 90% of knife crime! Damn you!

[@tortenschachtel9498]

Ok, so someone replied to me here but the reply was deleted for some reason.This willy nilly removing of comments for no obvious reasons makes conversations pretty much impossible ...

[@omma911]

That same attitude destroyed your homeland of England. Don't look back in anger and stick your head in the sand until we're all enriched by diversity.

[@Sam-Cain]

Diversity did not destroy England, rampant theft of the country's assets by the right-wing party in charge for 14 fucking years did.

[@matoko123]

Diversity .... the end of the white race.

[@swires1]

How was it actual "misinformation" in the UK? The perpetrator had a migration background. The riots were against people with a migration background.

[@l3p3]

The misinformation was in the area of what solutions would bring us further, same happened with Brexit. In a country where a big chunk of people have migration background, scaring off all of them cannot be part of a solution.

[@swires1]

@@l3p3 That's your personal opinion, not an argument.

[@KaiHenningsen]

You know, Brits, by being Brits, *all* have a migration background, it's just longer ago for some. (And that's also true of Germans, as far as I can tell.) As to the concrete case: the murdered girl had a migration background. The riots happened *at her funeral.* And all I could find on the accused is that he was born in the UK. Reports identifying him as an Islamist migrant were *false/misinformation/lies.* If I wanted to make a theory on those few facts, I would guess that the motives of the accused, of the inventors of the Islamist claims, and of the rioters were similar.

[@swires1]

@@KaiHenningsen That's semantics and/or debatable.

[@matoko123]

@@KaiHenningsen British are white, the child killer was non white, period.

[@ramr7051]

wonder why seemingly no information has been released on the appearance of the attacker, and his clothing etc. He could be hiding in plain sight and nobody would recognize him since nobody even knows what to look for. Being realistic however we all know what it's going to be.

[@IsomerSoma]

Him being an arab is i think more likely than not, but this isnt the reason for the sparse information. The simple reason is that this happened yesterday night and information simply isnt avialable/secure quite yet. If they had more information they would release it as its a dangerous man on the run. NOT informing the public would be gross negligence and therefore highly implausible to be the case. That so many people like you cant apply simple plausibility checks and just rant off on emotion is a serious problem.

[@rewboss]

Did you watch the whole video before commenting on it?

[@matoko123]

​@@rewboss Mediterranean appearance! Don't know where you got that fact from. Talk about spreading misinformation.

[@johannageisel5390]

@@matoko123 I think it comes from the BLÖD, as we could have expected. Because when I watched the press conference at 3 pm the police still had no description to publish. So, it's all rumours.

[@matoko123]

@@johannageisel5390 According to the BBC he's of Arab appearance.

[@jonnieluscombe5360]

the lady doth protest.. ;? (in this case well in advance and only be shot down by emerging truth of events). Try magical thinking eh

[@i.k.8868]

Wow you are kind of disingenuous.

[@brendanmay9585]

What is disingenuous about providing correct information

[@i.k.8868]

@@brendanmay9585 He was knowingly misrepresenting what people were saying to make them look like right wing or crazy.

[@stevebartley628]

Background checks for all knife purchases !

[@SpazzMaticu3]

ur trolling

[@memberberry5898]

@@SpazzMaticu3 yes, because the policy direction that has been taken is absurd, it's not working, if they don't have guns, they will use knives, if not knives, something else, we don't want these sorts of people, who will kill wantonly

[@zoltanzoltan8315]

You must not cry.BLM

[@Disinterested-jg6pw]

i wonder who did it, you cant blame people when the news and police deliberately withhold information.

[@marge2548]

And you can’t blame the police for not publishing anything if they have 4 or 5 different and contradicting descriptions. As of this morning, they were explicitly asking visitors of the festivity for videos and photos of the location in hope to find out which description was the correct one. By now, apparently they have. It’s like these people who complained that initially after the Mannheim attack nobody had mentioned that the attacker was from Afghanistan. Whereas with him in a coma and no papers with him, no one had known! The fact that at any given time there is so much information available on the internet seems to lead people to the conclusion that everything one wants to know has to be available in an instant. But that is simply not the case.

[@a_lethe_ion]

they dontdeliberately withhold information, they dont have any ffs

[@jennyjohn704]

Try actually watching the video.

[@a_lethe_ion]

@@jennyjohn704 yes, the descriptionw as mediterranean which could be fucking anyone. i had a very german mteacher that looked meditarranean. they dont have any information, they have conflicting descriptions so theyre not willing to be more precise so like give them more time. judging people purely by their phenotye is pretty racist btw,

[@Disinterested-jg6pw]

@@jennyjohn704 I did, it wasn't my point

[@GuyInc0gnit0]

EVERYBODY knows what this attack was about! Including you!

[@juanignaciolopeztellechea9401]

This is the 1st time i'm hearing of this. The reason would be....

[@thehikinghessian836]

So I don‘t belong to „everybody“, obviously…? „Zugleich rief die Gewerkschaft der Polizei dazu auf, auf Spekulationen insbesondere in den Sozialen Medien zu verzichten und keine Gerüchte zu verbreiten. "Spekulationen über die Tat in Solingen verbieten sich", sagte der NRW-Chef der GdP, Michael Mertens, dem Redaktionsnetzwerk Deutschland. Es gebe bislang keine konkreten Erkenntnisse zum Täter. "Die Personenbeschreibungen der Zeugen sind in Teilen widersprüchlich. Das ist nicht verwunderlich: Die Menschen stehen unter dem Schock des Erlebten. Die Polizei muss jetzt ungestört ihre Arbeit machen können."“ I second that.

[@markkorobkin85]

​@@n1ngnuo ah yes, politics, the most reliable way to start a fight in a comment section

[@thehikinghessian836]

@@n1ngnuodon‘t let the door hit you in the back when leaving… cheerio.

[@memberberry5898]

@@n1ngnuo unfortunately true, can't he tell the difference between legal migrants, hard workers such as himself, who don't stab anyone, and the bearded gentlemen ferried into europe by NGOs and housed at the taxpayers' expense?

[@Winstonsmithsalias]

The MO fills the bingo card of probability.

[@youtubekommentar5494]

But what I definitely heard: Politicians already said things that sounded for me like they want to arrest people e.g. when a school class or their parents having a typical knife with them when trying to sell cakes to make some money for school activities or when they bring that stuff to the place where they want to sell it...

[@marge2548]

Where did you hear that?

[@rewboss]

I think you may have heard politicians talking in vague terms about wanting stricter laws on carrying knives. The bit about not allowing people to cut the cakes they are trying to sell is your interpretation.

[@youtubekommentar5494]

@@rewboss They didn't explicitely mention that exception. And very often something like that is "forgotten" for populism...

[@rewboss]

@@youtubekommentar5494 I think you have to distinguish between a soundbite, and a piece of legislation. No politician is going to say, "We need to ban the carrying of knives in public, with exceptions to be made in the case of knives transported with the express purpose of cutting bread, cake, meat or other foodstuffs to be sold in pieces or slices provided the knives are kept out of sight and away from thieves until reaching the place where they are to be used..." The legislative process takes a long time because it's not done by politicians giving interviews to the press.

[@andysee6045]

Was it dark in the UK children's party that no-one could give a description of the attacker to the police?

[@rewboss]

The attacker was caught at the scene, so no need for a description. He was quickly identified as the Welsh-born son of Rwandan immigrants, but the fake news that he was a Muslim asylum seeker spread too fast and too widely for anyone to stop it.

[@andysee6045]

@@rewboss The point is his details were kept from the public. It wasn't that the police didn't know. Likely the same case in Solingen.

[@rewboss]

​@@andysee6045 If you mean his full name and other identifying information, then the media were simply obeying sub judice laws that make it illegal to identify a suspect until they have been found guilty by a court. Those laws apply to everyone, with very few exceptions. That's why newspapers never say "John Smith has been arrested for the murder of Sarah Jones," but "A 40-year-old man has been arrested in connection with the death of Sarah Jones." That he was born in Wales to Rwandan immigrants was very widely reported very soon after the arrest. Obviously the police had to first find out exactly who this person was before they could tell the media who this person was.

[@andysee6045]

@@rewboss No, you claim in this video that the police didn't know who did it, but I said likelihood is they did and for whatever reason kept that from the public. It took a log time for it to come out the other chap was from Rwandan parents too.

[@rewboss]

@@andysee6045 I never said the police didn't know the identity of the Southport attacker. I said false information about the man's identity circulated.

[@marks7471]

Its almost like you may have some sympathy for the perpetrator.

[@rewboss]

And you arrive at that conclusion because...?

[@norbitcleaverhook5040]

​@@rewboss​@rewboss Because he is ideologically predisposed to block out anything which conflicts with his world view. Just a guess though.

[@BigHam.Flausch]

And our politicians are wondering why more and more people vote for blue

[@arnodobler1096]

the du mb ones

[@BigHam.Flausch]

@@arnodobler1096 …. Leave comments like that

[@arnodobler1096]

@@BigHam.Flausch omit or leave?

[@Schmidtelpunkt]

No, they know that there are plenty of simpletons who want simple answers and therefore are disappointed by the complexity of reality.

[@SpazzMaticu3]

Voting blue.

[@losttribe9107]

What is a woman?

[@arnodobler1096]

In Germany or US?

[@SpazzMaticu3]

@@arnodobler1096 Germany

[@arnodobler1096]

@@SpazzMaticu3 then nope!!!

[@RobertTaylor-gz2fu]

What does that mean in relation to Germany?

[@Bumper6]

Why defending

[@dansattah]

He isn't. He's just reporting.

[@Schmidtelpunkt]

@@dansattah Yep, it is worrying that sticking to the facts is at this point seen as "defending" whatever the tribal morons see as the others side.

[@Bumper6]

I mean, this is a kind of news reporting which makes you blunt senseless and having to lose your anger against such inhuman acts.

[@SaifRahman23]

Zeitungen: We have reasonable doubt that the Olives are bad, can we ban them? AfD: ban Mangoes, Tofus, Kiwis too, immediately Bundestag: Naaaah, no banning, keep an eye on everything from now on

[@sympathietrager343]

@@SaifRahman23 That is the greatest nonsense I have read so far this year.