The Sonic Fanbase PROBLEM...

New game? more toxicity! The Sonic fanbase has a repeating cycle of discussion whenever we get close to a new game, so I wanted to make a follow up to my previous video on the topic to tackle this new wave of counter criticism.
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[@SanicBoi]

Okay, but saying “Looks like Sonic Forces” isn’t very good criticism. I know people are limited on twitter but there definitely is a better word choice he could’ve used that wouldn’t have sparked so much outrage.

[@hortinus]

Better question is: what caused the toxicity in the first place? It's more than people just complaining for no reason other than to complain.

[@supersaiyanfox9190]

Lowkey though, Matthasnocuts has the biggest PTSD towards Forces. He got burned so badly by Forces that he can’t see that Shadow Generations clearly won’t be like that game. He lost his trust in SEGA and Sonic Team that unconsciously, he is biased against Shadow Generations. As someone who has watched Sam Procrastinates’ livestreams covering this game with the various footage from Summer Game Fest, I can confirm that it was inspired by Dream Team. There’s literally a room in the Space Colony Ark level that proves this. Plus, the level is around 5 minutes long. That’s way more than Forces’ levels. You said in the video that it’s okay for me to call out opinions based on false information, and that’s exactly what I’m doing here. If you’ve seen the various Summer Game Fest gameplay on Shadow Generations, then you should know that it 100% doesn’t have Forces’ level design philosophy in the slightest. Even though the key level designer of Forces is working on Shadow Generations, he’s clearly learned from his mistakes.

[@smashbronikko]

I don't think saying "It looks like Sonic Forces" and dipping is really criticism at all. If he said something like "I don't like how these levels look" or something to that effect, the majority of people probably wouldn't care much. It's all about how you word things.

[@cxmz23]

ngl... ppl care too much about what others think and say. Some ppl need to legit get a life lol.

[@Ibalistic_hedge]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Sonic fans are impossible to please. No matter how good a game get's they'll always have a problem with it. They will keep on with the nonsensical hate. Sonic team could release a game tomorrow, It could get a 100% metascore on Metacritic and could be regarded as a masterpiece and Sonic fans will still say it's bad. They aren't actually fans of sonic, they are haters who disguise themselves as fans.

[@yarogblack1909]

People aren't mad at mat because he is dissapointed , he has the right and no one can change that. What they are mad about is him just jumping the gun and saying its just "sonic forces" once he saw a straight line for a split second, the problem here is that his "criticism" isn't very, idk what's the best way to say it but, "convincing". It wasn't constructive and didn't elaborate at all.

[@rosegiogio9255]

I gotta be honest here, nothing against Matt or Sonic x shadow but more about the nature of opinions. Opinions don’t make you invulnerable to criticism, after all there are genuine bad opinions out there, anyone has the right to voice their agreements or disagreement to someone’s opinion as long as it comes from good faith. Again, having an opinion doesn’t give you the right to not be criticized

[@Terminal_Apotos]

Sonic Fans ready to pull out ol’ Reliable “Stop Complaining!’ “Be Grateful!” “Shut Up!” “You’re just trying to be different!” “You just hate Sonic!” against any criticism.

[@MCDUBBA575]

Sonic fans not complaining for a single second: level impossible

[@Ang3LofSp4rK]

Have you considered that the things Matt shared on his socials aren't all the same as the things he may have shared with you in convo with him?

[@chadisnotachad]

My issue is that Sonic fans tend to be way over critical over every little thing. It was easy to tell that the first gameplay was an early build and still the fanbase kept the narrative that Frontiers redeemed itself. This fanbase is hypercritical.

[@ThemightyTelevision]

My problem with what he said is that mfers are gonna start being parrots and repeat something that is just non-sense, saying that "it looks like forces" gotta be the most unfair piece of criticism I've ever seen to this game, it's straight up being disingenuous to say stuff like that without clarifying what you're saying to just try to make the blow seem softer by saying "imma give it a shot still" is the greatest sign that you don't believe the words that come out of your own mouth, passive aggressive type of comment. And saying that "the criticism is made from a place of love, with the hope that the series is successful" is the biggest damn lie I've ever heard.

[@squarethinkingdude]

I am gonna disagree hardly in the part that there is a majority of toxic positivity, because specially when superstars released, anyone feeling happy with the game got called a mediocrity enjoyer, and people are still getting attacked by actually looking forward to the game, both sides are as prevalent as ever its just that we get different experiences

[@Acesuper811]

It's not that Matt has a wrong opinion, but calling forces level design to SXSG is confusing more than anything no one can understand what he means because we don't agree on what forces level design means so tldr it's basically if Matt is called the level design blue when what everyone is seeing is purple. Misunderstanding is THE toxic trait of the fanbase

[@kevinm.5951]

After just watching chaomix's video

[@joshuaweston6531]

I know there's toxicity within the fan base, but can we all just take a moment and appreciate how awesome THAT moment in Speed Highway looks in Generations! Seriously, I just juiced my pants!

[@michawhite7613]

Out of all the videos about Shadow Generations' level design, and I have seen quite a few, you are the first person I've seen who mentioned Matthasnocuts. I literally only clicked on the video because I was surprised he said that. I think you're bringing in more toxicity than the rest of the fandom is.

[@lizdevine2525]

The "Looks like Sonic Forces" tweet wasn't constructive criticism or just sharing an unfavorable opinion.

[@Something_Maybe]

Fandom culture in general breeds toxicity