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[@jakeb4569]

I believe the "Sonic Boom takes place in Sonic's mind" is from a joke in the episode "Just a Guy" where Sonic goes to his happy place, and then his happy place inside his happy place. He wakes up from both of those, but then we see another layer featuring a live-action human with Sonic's quills and scarf taking out a bag of trash who says "Whoops, one too many" in Sonic's voice.

[@AbsnormalCoolest]

I’m amazed you remember that, I still watch it to this day! (Mostly because I can’t afford anything past Season 1 Volume 1-3.)

[@Somerandomjingleberry]

"Okay Roger ya gotta put on this costume, trust me it's for the bit" "...the things I do for this contract..."

[@canadadry353]

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say Sonic Boom takes place inside Roger Craig Smith's head since he's the guy who was taking out the trash?

[@archmagemc3561]

Yep, thats it right there. I was typing up a comment to mention this but couldn't' remember the episode name.

[@backerson5576]

666 likes nice

[@RobinCould]

"and Sega never used a human girl ever again" i love this line so much

[@AbsnormalCoolest]

I literally thought he would show a brief picture of Maria there. Tell me if he did.

[@DURANDAL1007]

ELISE!!

[@spartanwar1185]

I hate that this line isn't true

[@sonics_wife]

Boy, I wish that was true. Let's be honest: Nobody asked for Elise.

[@canadadry353]

Am I the only one who thought of the catgirl from the Sonic OVA

[@auger0073]

For the sonic is homeless theory; yes. He’s a nomad. He travels where he like and when he’s tired he sleeps.

[@GiveGodCredit]

Sonic has never been shown to have a home. I don’t even think it can be considered a theory it’s just a fact

[@fatelyre]

But what about the Sonic Storybook series? He seemed to have somesort of house there.

[@cringe1488]

Nah bro he lives in a hole

[@YujiUedaFan]

Sonic was sleeping at Tails' place in one of the Storybook games.

[@shellyvision9693]

@@GiveGodCredit yes he has. I wanna say it was in Sonic Shuffle.

[@GmNdWtchr96]

Pretty sure "Robotnik is the hero" is a reference to how he was initially designed to be the protagonist of what would become Sonic 1, but was repurposed as the main villain.

[@Novika75]

I investigated this now and you're absolutely correct! he was supposed to be a caricature of Theodore Roosevelt and was one of the initial designs for a new mascot ro replace Alex Kidd

[@lgbtqiarights]

@@Novika75 theodore roosevelt of all people lmao

@@Novika75 and also walked in pyjamas.

[@Somerandomjingleberry]

@@lgbtqiarights WDYM of all people? Teddy was the chaddest man who ever lived

[@lgbtqiarights]

@@Somerandomjingleberry just oddly specific, das all

[@pearcyjackson280]

21:35 There goes Hawaii, th-th-there goes Hawaii! Oh there goes Hawaii, the island is gone!

[@gauffrier]

Ah man of culture, i see

[@kennylauderdale_en]

Beanville is in your heart.

[@Novika75]

Now I know why I can find it...

[@SakuraStardust]

Its the true ultimate life form

[@bunbunbun9857]

Bean

[@brendanb2982]

KENNYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[@Dansam04]

15:49 Ok I know what this is about. Basically if can time it correctly, you can hit the death barrier and go back on the rails. You will still die but the funny thing is that the fire affects will be activated while you grind. I have no idea how to activate though. I just happen to stumble upon it during on my SA2 playthorughs.

[@oh_noes]

Maybe different placement for activating the barrier

[@zachmurray101]

"sonic movie was a big hit despite it being...ya know, awful" Alright dude it's not fuckin Citizen Kane but it wasn't that bad and completely serviceable

[@roadkill5727]

It was literally 5/10 it was plain and boring and generic snoozefest. It just wasn't as bad as it possibly could be

[@masonmatt2145]

@@roadkill5727 Video game movies aren't going to be complete fan-service that alienates the other huge majority of people that aren't die hard Sonic fans. They're going to make it accessible, and thus, simpler.

[@davedave5141]

I hate people saying the movie was bad because they expected a joker kind of film

[@davedave5141]

@@roadkill5727 It don't think it deserves hate that much

[@marx4538]

@@masonmatt2145 You can make a good video game movie without making it a dumbed down road trip. Fanservice is stupid, but they could have at least tried to make a movie that at least makes you think. Oh, wait, it does make you think, think about how much money Olive Garden paid to Paramount.

[@kirbyinhalesjotaro4471]

Wasn’t Amy’s tarot cards originally from the manual of Sonic CD?

[@kidnamedfingor]

did she get star platinum???

[@soniso]

@@kidnamedfingor please don't

[@mechakirby9576]

yes.

[@taputrainer8463]

She used the tarot cards to find Sonic on little planet before he got there

[@TiMona42]

It's in the IDW adaptation too.

[@onlookerofthings6029]

There's no way the Sonic redesign was planned from the beginning. They had many merch lines like Halloween costumes with the old design in production but not the redesign

[@Soyconsumer1000]

Honestly, I think the merch line was part of the trick. Only hardcore Sonic fans and parents taking their kids to watch "the cool video game character movie" were going to watch a post "redesign" Sonic Movie, nor buy the merch line for that matter. But the redesign gave them immaculate levels of coverage that was triple what they would have gotten without it. Can you imagine how many people bought THAT Sonic mask because of how ugly it was? Either I'm giving the media/marketing team too much credit, or both teams just finessed a +80% increase in ticket and pre-redesign merch sales off the biggest brain play in licensed tie-in movie history.

[@RackerTheRascalMashup]

@@Soyconsumer1000 then why the budget of the movie increased if they already had the new design? In some places, there was merch with the old design released like Japan with baby sonic.

[@vinnyfromvenus8188]

People who believe this theory clearly know nothing about how movies are made and how movie studios make money. Sure it turned out pretty well for Paramount, but they would never pull a stunt like this, it's way to risky, specially for a movie as big as sonic. Several leaks for designs similar to the "original" one also disprove the idea that it was on purpose. Also if this were true the information would be out there somewhere, they had to extend the post-production process for the movie so they could replace sonic in every scene, if that never happened/was a hoax of course the VFX artists of the studio employed would say something about it. Also the studio that worked on sonic *literally* closes its doors so yeah

[@pedronerd8116]

You are right, they lost millions of dolars because of the toys, ads and etc.

[@TheDoctorofOdoIsland]

Yo my Sonic is the Ultimate Life Form thread made it into an iceberg meme analysis video! I've hit the big time!

[@Novika75]

it's a pretty great theory!

[@KOTEBANAROT]

Thank you for your service. Ive been preaching this theory for years now

[@TheDoctorofOdoIsland]

@@KOTEBANAROT The world must know The Truth.

[@harbingerserenade9569]

pogchamp

[@lunapyrope9683]

The Sonic Movie was super fun though not everything needs to be a cinematic masterpiece. Also that “Dominatrix” outfit is a Luchador(a) outfit.

[@gooolixx]

i liked the movie but the hidden references made it great, if they werent there, it would have been quite boring

[@mouseonthestreets8675]

Why are people are on the Internet so allergic to the words mediocre and okay? Everything’s either gotta be the best thing ever made, or a garbage fire.

[@mechakirby9576]

@@mouseonthestreets8675 i blame the videogame and movie/animation critics of the early internet to make all to black or white.

[@gabrieltallent1658]

what is a Dominatrix but a sexy luchadora?

[@marx4538]

@@mouseonthestreets8675 Because "mediocre" by definition is the worst an art thing can be, at least for me. It's not bad enough to be analyzed, memorable or just ironically enjoyable, but it's not good enough to actually enjoy it. It's not memorable, it's not soulful, it's not charming. It's just a piece of trash that was made to capitalize on a brand. That's the worst art can be to me.

[@theg-man4840]

21:35 There goes Hawaii, There There There goes Hawaii, oh there goes Hawaii, the island is gone, There goes Ha-

[@mathuerta315]

Literally had the same thought lmao!

[@notjebbutstillakerbal]

​@@mathuerta315 rest in spaghetti never forgetti

[@M30W3R]

IIRC Penders won the case because they couldn't find a copy of his contract with SEGA when he was given the rights of making the Sonic comic, either because he stole it or due to negligence by the HR department.

[@mariano1196]

Actually it was even dumber, Archie lost Penders contract due to a fire incident. That's right, they never made a copy of an legal document.

[@wyattpeek429]

Also I think the character shade also help start the lawsuit or I am thinking of a different one

[@xcharliedntsurf6887]

I call bullshit on how he says only he can use echindna characters that aren't Knuckles. I hate it so much it makes me wanna burn my house using a very old flamethrower.

[@mechajay3358]

"Sega never used a Human girl ever again" Sonic 06: "Never say never"

[@Caspercab]

Also Maria

[@UltimateLife4m]

Excellent video, probably the most detailed and well-explained out of the 3 Sonic iceberg videos I've watched.

[@nightwingmix1]

You should change your pfp to the one where shadow has a weird like disgusted expression on his face (If you know the image I'm referring to)

[@Dv2YT]

@@nightwingmix1 Why should he change it to what you want?

[@Jyrrex18]

19:18 Sonic CD also mentions that Amy likes tarot cards

[@5uperM]

Two uploads in one milenium? You're outdoing yourself.

[@ServantofÄzrael]

Imagine if he made a third video in the current millennium

[@the_churroz2003]

@@ServantofÄzrael he actually did

[@oleevv]

This should be "Iceberg 1" "Iceberg 2" "Iceberg CD" "Iceberg3 & knuckles"

[@bakubread9308]

Lots of little bits of detail are missed or misinterpreted (ie; Robotnik originally being the protagonist of Sonic 1, the Dunkey sound in Mania has been removed which you didn't meantion) But overall, great video! I'm happy that it wasn't just a bunch of stupid Sonic Twitter memes

[@pvzmariosonica8fan]

7:22 Yuzoboy put "Thriller" over Marble Garden's music, and it fits very well

[@CrazyBurbridge]

Those sonic bootleg plushies will haunt my dreams forever. My sonic senses are tingling

[@mmmmm_tonk4914]

0:23 Nobody: Absolutely nobody: Novika: let’s dive the fuck in

[@jamlpe]

The guy who did the "Infinite Fun Screen" (Majin) is actually the same guy who did the voice for sonic when sonic says "I'm out'a here" when you stay idle for 3 minutes in sonic cd

[@eljaminlatour6633]

"Robotnik is a hero" entry somewhat makes sense because originally he was going to be the protagonist and the hero, but then his role was changed to villain and Sonic becomes the hero.

[@TheZombersLMAO]

This dude can turn anything that is supposed to be weird or spooky as shit into a laugh festival

[@philatio1744]

Doesn’t Running Man refer to the guy on Sonic 06 who dresses like sonic and you can race?

[@Meme-rh8ow]

Thats runing man was called sonic man

[@Cody-my1vb]

Wow, I am stunned by the quality of this video. The editing is superb, the title cards are amazing, and the research you put in to this iceberg is phenomenal! One gripe I did have tho is that the transition slides from one theory to the next were a tad bit fast. Had to go and rewind and pause just to read what it said. Also, you talk very fast, which isn’t a bad thing, just maybe next time take it a little slower that’s all (: keep up the great work, you just earned a sub!

[@OvertheHedge06]

3:35 Jesus Christ the cycle is going to start again when we hear more about the new game, isn't it?

[@Jot176]

I was not expecting to find Eggman's Announcement here

[@societyofcriminals]

The Sonic Movie is pretty good actually

[@cujoh1814]

Well yes but actually no

[@darthsonic4135]

@@cujoh1814 At the very least, it’s not “awful”

[@holysparkbatman]

It’s actually really awesome.

[@libradavaldovinos716]

Hey at least it isn't the Mario movie am I right?

[@hopeds8741]

@@libradavaldovinos716 there's a Mario movie?? Oh no

[@tailsknuxfan101]

This is probably the best made Sonic Iceberg video. All the others have people that know zero about Sonic lol. The editing on this video is also pretty well done.

[@Kiezly]

how was the sonic movie awful? i loved it when I saw it and I saw it again months later and still enjoyed it a lot. were you expecting it to be a lot different? what would you want it to be like? i think that's a good video idea for ya to explore!

[@xcharliedntsurf6887]

Yeah, the internet's a bunch of idiots for not knowing the existence of opinions.

[@marx4538]

@@xcharliedntsurf6887 People don't have to say "IT'S MY OPINION SORRY APOLOGIZE BAWWW" everytime they talk. You have a different opinion? Ok, wow, sure is interesting.

[@LittleLexi24]

I’ve seen it many times, it’s my favourite movie

[@InkSans_FandomSoda]

Who else was obsessed with Tails Doll as a kid?

[@panthekirb7561]

Tails Doll is pretty hot tbh

[@Escanimations]

Then,discover he is a CARACTER from SONIC.EXE

[@minit9999]

13:00 the sonic statue in the moutains isn't the big of a mystery (or at least isn't anymore). There is a youtuber (Badnik Mechanic) that has 2 videos about it, who has detailed it's full story. the tl;dr of it is that when the arcade went under, sega didn't want the statue. so it went to an employee, who moved outside his house in the mountains. The statue has gotten repaired this year due to all the coverage about it.

[@rlinders9972]

"His shoes were based off Michael Jackson" *shows disturbing Michael Jackson/Shaye Saint John love child*

[@foxxy-3748]

Yo okay so I know this sounds crazy, but as with the Running Man one, I swear to god I have this vivid childhood memory of Sonic running alongside my parents car as we were doing a six hour drive to Disney. Obviously it didn’t actually happen, but it’s weird that other people imagined that too.

[@tazinboor3913]

7:55 reminds me of the “98” Barney the dinasour thanksgiving crash incident.

[@willowfive8330]

"Sega would never use a human girl again" Elise: *Laughs in the distance*

[@clobbahdatderekirbeh2710]

This was really funny, man. This was honestly more entertaining than a lot of other iceberg videos. Good job.

[@annsky1896]

18:29 "my hedgehog sense is tingling..."

[@calamari6735]

26:32 and here i was thinking that i'm the only one who does that ,lol i mean imaging sonic is running

[@benjaminamudoaghan]

19:32 I've never seen a monkey so serious in my life.

[@xavierorangearms635]

18:16 didn't expect to see a Slam Dunk reference here

[@Novika75]

one of my favorite animes and it's horribly underrated!!!

[@sonerec725]

The very first "mighty is sonic"i think is less about chaotix and is more about how mightys design is taken from a prototype sonic design where he was going to be an armadillo.

[@Hadaron]

4:17 - SA2B surprisingly didn’t remove all of these. Big will run onto the screen if you mash the A button, apparently. I thought that was a myth until I got him to run by Amy in her final cutscene with Shadow.

[@MellowMarsh85]

“ sega never used a human girl ever again” Sonic 06:yea about that…

[@panthergamer3298]

5/8/2021 Edit: I forgot Deep Darkness lol Timestamps Intro - 0:00 The Sky - 0:24 Tip of the Iceberg - 4:52 The Iceberg - 9:04 The Iceberg 2 - 13:00 The Iceberg 3 & Knuckles - 16:38 Bottom of the Iceberg - 20:20 Deep Darkness - 23:11 The Abyss - 25:43 Outro - 27:40

[@poohwithtimbs7027]

"Sega never used a human woman again" Sonic 06: (Sweats Profusely)

[@averytherockgod9822]

“Sonic Is The Ultimate Lifeform” *Aztec dubstep intensifies*

[@futabamajima]

There actually is an alternate route skipping the barrel completely actually Additionally, the name for Sonic Crackers was actually supposed to be Sonic Clackers The egg gauntlet never made it into the rerelease

[@stanzacosmi]

It did, but it was unused and only accessable in the IOS version for ONE version with the level select

[@thechaineofdeadpool]

23:15 : Well, it's something that I've discovered just yesterday in a totally random and unrelated way, but one of the songs in the "Sonic Rush" soundtrack samples the beginning of the song "Bring the Noise", by Public Enemy. And it's this one who have the sample from the Malcolm X speech, so it had just been re-used. If you check the Wikipedia entry of "Bring the Noise", you'll see! Oh, and the video was really damn good.

[@rexzs794]

You say you have issues speaking and about your thick accent at the end, but you did really well! I understood you perfectly for the whole video. Please don’t be so hard on yourself. 🖤 I really enjoyed the video and can tell you enjoyed making it, too!

[@Poker2735]

The “Adventure Of Sonic The Hedgehog” actually confirms he is homeless, because in a “Sonic Says” segment, it shows sonic and tails in a sleeping bag, in both the one about sleeping, and the one where tails wanders without sonic knowing

[@InkSans_FandomSoda]

“When I think of obscure shit, I think of Sonic.” Yep.

[@societyofcriminals]

Imagine how weird it would be if there were iceberg images for Billy and Mandy or South Park

[@roboticenby]

24:47 “more like 6 feet underground”

[@Zappa_boi]

How orginal

[@OvertheHedge06]

20:08 This joke is amazing since the series is still going and after THAT incident it will probably never will end.

[@numburger]

Although I've seen someone say Sonic is nomadic, so he travels and doesn't have a certain area he calls home, there is some Sonic the Screensaver artwork that depicts Sonic looking through a Telescope; in fact it's the one in my profile picture, and you can see a house in the background. Seeing how there's also a mailbox with "Sonic" on it in the same artwork, I'd assume it's his house. Alot of Sonic the Screensaver art actually just depicts Sonic doing average everyday things, which I find nice

[@shelbyyoutube6281]

12:24 I just looked on google and (if you exclude the sonic boom tv show and comics) it says “sonic doesn’t have a home, he’s just constantly on the move and enjoying wherever life takes him.”

[@gr3at.s4ge]

not to mention the movie!

[@okrainz]

10:20 chaos is just chao with a s

[@codysullivan2531]

Nice to see you still kicking Imaru. Thanks for the Iceberg video!

[@Lenachan3ko]

I LOVE obscure Sonic stuff! This video was very enjoyable and your voice is nice to listen to! I'm subbing 💖

[@blum5271]

Good video man! Really glad I subbed to you back when muta had a podcast

[@gr3at.s4ge]

i waS NOT PREPARED FOR THAT SNAPCUBE REFERENCE (22:56)

[@darielvillatoro8365]

9:26 Sonic 06: are you sure about that?

[@thomasharrington1477]

6:29 I like how AOSTH Robotnik is on the merchandise even though he's a redesign

[@maxmario350]

I love that "the abyss" section is more memes than anything in there iceberg images

[@marx4538]

The "Madin" thing is a nickname one of the developers of Sonic CD left. He also left that nickname in Shenmue.

[@AbsnormalCoolest]

“Despite being, ummm... awful.” Me: excuse me what the fuck

[@abishaiaraya3167]

23:15 There are actually other samples in the game too! In the song "What U Need" you can hear a "Feeling Hot, Hot, Hot!". I remember seeing a video pointing this but but I can't seem to find it anymore...

[@cloroxbleach8023]

Knuckles at 22:16:Come on Sonic Give The Phone

[@PyroLuigiOG]

Mom said it's my turn on the Xbox

[@thephantomphreak3587]

Great video man, looking forward to more content!

[@OkitaSoujiFGO]

Novika: and SEGA never used a human girl ever again Sonic 06: **nervous laughter**

[@KatelynJewel]

23:28 I guess now we know who the the Devil of the Green Hell Zone is.

[@baggelissonic]

That was a pretty good video, but there are a lot of small things you missed. Which is probably the reason why most iceberg videos have a health meter to show how sure the person is. For example, Sonic does indeed have a house in Sonic and the secret rings and since it is mentioned in Generations and Genertions is mentioned in Forces, he just have to assume that it's canon

[@ronin1559]

Could be misremembering but I believe he had one in Sonic Battle as well? He retrieved Emerl in a beach and ended up carrying him to a neighborhood he’s in around the beginning of the game. I’d say he may have one in Chronicles but that was probably Tails’ workshop.

[@baggelissonic]

@@ronin1559 You are probably right, but the game itself could also not be canon

[@TwilightCage]

That sonic is the ultimate lifeform theory has me convinced.

[@purple5823]

I think the "super sonic is his own entity" is referring to the fact in Sonic Adventure, Tails says "Super Sonic must have neutralized it" making it sound like Sonic and Super Sonic are different entities. Honestly I think I remember hearing stuff about Sonic 06 being made bad on purpose by the developers. Can't really remember why though. I'll edit the comment once I get more info.

[@hyper_kirbic3010]

0:58 it’s literally Doctor Ivo Robotnik backwards

[@guilhermme5280]

Sonic doesn’t need a house because he’s so fast. That would literally be something that sega would say, and it kinda makes sense. Sonic is known for running so it would seem weird that he just stayed at one place. He can run around the world in the blink of an eye, for god sake.

[@TokyoDrift456]

the original sonic move design wasnt a publicity stunt, they said that at some point, i dont remember where i heard it, but i know for a fact i did

[@damianruiz6294]

Have you failed to catch a baby so hard that it exploded? I hate it when that happens.

[@OvertheHedge06]

21:31 THAT'S fucking horrifying.

[@TerraKing]

11:31 wait those are lions, I figured it out.

[@gube2358]

Great video, learned some obscure stuff about sonic, also glad you mentioned those other videos for more info. Would help if you put those videos in the description.

[@ZennonTheOne]

"and Sega never used a human girl ever again" ok, who's gonna tell him?

[@DobyGamesGC]

He probably forgot sonic06 exist

[@spacehunternebulanm7003]

It was a joke

[@lessthannovice8505]

What was with the image and text at 22:30 ? Seems like a creepypasta

[@theunfortunatewonderer5018]

26:27 I did this very often on the school bus when I was younger... Because even if I had friends at that time, I wouldn't be able to hear them over THE CONSTANT CURSING AND SCREAMING OF THE OLDER TEENAGERS IN THE BACK!!

[@GrounderSez]

I never get tired of iceberg explanation and I'm also a big fan of Sonic. You're awesome and I love your commentary

[@vampires4life]

23:38 PLEEAASE TELL ME WHAT THAT SONG IS I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR IT EVERYWHERE

[@vampires4life]

me: ooh a sonic iceberg. time to learn one or two new things. *first thing on the list is Sonic Xtreme* oh, that'sfairly obscure... oh this is gonna go REALLY deep...

[@Rilobster]

I'm sure someone else has commented this but you didn't mention in the video the reason why Ken Penders won his lawsuit against Archie. Apparently Ken Penders had signed some sort of documentation that his characters belonged to Archie, but when it came time for those documents to be useful in the court case, Archie just couldn't find them. This brought some people to believe that Ken Penders stole them so that he could still do his echidna bullshit independent of Archie's comics. Fun Fact: Penders is still using his legally-won characters to this day. Just recently (November 2nd) Penders tweeted a finished title page for his next Lara-su Chronicles comic. And yes, it looks fucking atrocious. Even his long time fans hate it.

[@SleepyGhostly]

10:00 I don't think it was a publicity stunt because you know the movie cats exist right?

[@sanicsanic6890]

Sonic being the ultimate lifeform is actually reffering to a line during the Final Hazard boss fight in SA2, where Shadow says: "Sonic! I know who the ultimate lifeform is! It might be you!"

[@twoforfive9228]

Idk why, but whenever you raise your voice, the accent combined with the subject matter make me laugh

[@hikaritakahashi9411]

Rouge's eye will go wonky in her boss battle with Flying Dog if she's climbing on one of the metal fences. Not sure if anyone noticed that, but I've known about it ever since I played SA2: Battle back in 2002.

[@Random_Geek_J]

23:06 I felt my heart stop for a while looking at it.

[@sgoc9499]

18:46 i once managed to create an ashura knuckles on the 1995 PC port of S3&K,i activated the debug mode while i entered a rainbow giant ring as knuckles on moshroom hill,when i came out, Knuckles's Sprite was full of rings blocking his Sprite,and his color pallet was the same as ashura,i'll try to recreate it someday,but i don't have any proof now.

[@cedartheyeah.justyeah.3967]

"It's a robotic rabbit with a spring" Me, a fan of FNaF: He Will Come Back

[@apslup]

16:18 You say “damn you Penders” at the Antoine being faster than Sonic, but when that quote was made Penders had long since moved on from the comics.