The Sordid History of Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood, with Seth Gruber

Pro-life advocate Seth Gruber joins the podcast to shed light on the evil history of Planned Parenthood and its founder, Margaret Sanger. Seth discusses how Sanger’s dubious connections, advocacy for eugenics, and promotion of abortion started the cultural shift toward widespread approval of abortion, transgenderism, LGBTQ+ activism, and the culture of death we now find ourselves in.
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[@suzanneyorkville]

This discussion is a good example of why it is important for Christians to understand history.

[@tazlizard]

The truest abolitionist I have ever heard is Jeff Durbin!! He is in my opinion the best and greatest!! He walks the walk and talks the talk!

[@Pipers_hooman]

Thank you Seth for all you do in a time when the church is full of cowards who don't seem to care about the innocent lives being taken daily. Thank you Alissa for having him on knowing you will be facing backlash by the cowards..❣️

[@JesusistheonetrueGod]

Some aren't cowards but they are comfortable

[@GinKirk7256]

Planned BARRENhood is what I’ve called it for decades cuz that’s what it is! 😭😤😡

[@JesusistheonetrueGod]

Catchy and true. That should be on signs and t-shirts of those who evangelize against it.

[@garyjelich4709]

We pro-lifers, for almost 50 years, had, as one of our goals, the overturning of Roe. We thought that, when Roe is overturned, the issue would be returned to the individual states, and that most, if not all, states would make it illegal. How deluded we were! It never crossed most of our minds that many states would put forth ballot measures to enshrine abortion into their state constitutions, as we have in this year's election cycle! We have a big, uphill fight to fight!

[@charliedontsurf334]

I’m surprised states like South Carolina didn’t do it. No one expected California or New York (where they quit charging the murder of a pregnant woman with double murder) to do so.

[@stevenoyes3988]

Our opposition is funded by folks with very deep pockets. In this interview Seth mentioned several of the world's wealthiest people funding Sanger and others of her ilk. We're facing the same thing today. In AZ, for just one example, left activists are getting paid in the $25-30/hr range to collect signatures to qualify for the ballot. It makes being active ourselves that much more important. Volunteer whatever time you can to fight the crazy.

[@staciemounts]

Abolish abortion!

[@kenlyharmon9118]

The pro-life establishment lied about a lot. The big one is that Roe wasn’t law and states never had to follow it. (Wisconsin had gone against the fugitive slave ruling back in the day. ) Pro-life also lied about “how they were winning” the minds of the next generation. - send money. Lots of money made off the backs of the children all the way around. The political / pro-life circle is horrible. A video of Rusty Thomas and Tony Lawanger? Is super eye opening. Really horrifying. The state of OK. With about 1 democrat in all of congress. But they keep the prolife/ political money making wheel going. It’s horrifying.

[@kenlyharmon9118]

The pro-life establishment lied about a lot. The big one is that Roe wasn’t law and states never had to follow it. (Wisconsin had gone against the fugitive slave ruling back in the day. ) Pro-life also lied about “how they were winning” the minds of the next generation. - send money. Lots of money made off the backs of the children all the way around. The political / pro-life circle is horrible. A video of Rusty Thomas and Tony Lawanger? Is super eye opening. Really horrifying. The state of OK. With about 1 democrat in all of congress. But they keep the prolife/ political money making wheel going. It’s horrifying.

[@mayagoodson]

Please interview T. Russel Hunter from Abolitionists Rising

[@texasskygirl7890]

Yes! I said the same.

[@LizzieB-85]

Alisa should have an Abolitionist on her podcast. I have been listening to & following Seth for awhile & REALLY appreciate his work. But I believe his reducing the differences to just “incrementalism” vs “immediatism” is too simple & doesn’t represent Abolitionism well. What I really admire about the Abolitionists is their commitment to the Gospel. They don’t want to change minds, they want to change hearts through the Gospel. They don’t want to just end abortion, they desire for hearts to be turned toward Christ in the process. I think it would serve Alisa well to bring that perspective to her channel.

[@thesagetraveler7649]

I agree. She should talk to Jeff Durbin and the guys from Apologia. I find it hard to believe that they are jerks.

[@bethanyfaber2012]

I agree. I've been listening to a lot of abolitionist content lately due to my increasing level of frustration with those who call themselves pro-life. I appreciate Seth's boldness on this issue so much, but sadly he is an outlier in the pro-life movement and is "extreme" in their view. The fact is, the pro-life movement is weakened by their refusal to call for the criminalization of abortion - meaning if a woman takes an abortion pill, she is a criminal guilty of murder. Seth differs from the majority of the pro-life establishment on this issue. And there are states where abortion could be abolished right now if not for the pro-life movement killing the abolitionist bill because of this issue. In those cases, I don't think you can really call yourself pro-life...that's why I prefer the term abolitionist, whether it's a "redefining" of the word or they're all "jerks" or not. Having a discussion with an abolitionist would certainly provide a balanced approach here, and I'm confident you can find a nice one... 😉

[@hiashleykelly]

100% This!!! 🧡

[@texasskygirl7890]

I follow Abolitionist Rising youtube. Russell Hunter. Solid Christians sharing the Gospel.

[@hiashleykelly]

@@texasskygirl7890 same! Russell has changed my life!

[@d2cpainter]

It would be very helpful to have Jeff Durbin on to give a balanced perspective of the Abolitionist position since he was named directly. It is really easy to have divisions in the Church over this, and we need to have an open and honest discussion being represented respectfully on both sides. “The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.” Prov 18:17

[@victorialopez9717]

I usually cannot dedicate a full hour (in this case a little more), to listen to these podcasts all the way through in one shot. Usually, I have to break it up. But I was glued to this conversation. I'm not even heavily involved in the pro-life movement, but it is a subject matter that grieves me. I knew a lot of the history of Margaret Sanger, but Seth shared information I had not heard before and made connections that so much of what's going on makes sense as to why it's happening. Thank you, Alisa, for having the courage to talk about this subject. Seth was right - as Christians, we MUST talk about things that are uncomfortable. The Western church has become way too complacent and more of the world than of the things of Christ.

[@bethtaylor9773]

Alisa, I wish you would cut a short of the eugenics and Hitler portion!

[@go2therock]

Thrilled to hear you mention our beloved Dr. George Grant. ❤

[@hwd71]

I never got notified of this episode, always love listening to Seth Gruber, and Alisa is a great host and asks really good thought provoking questions.

[@Priscilla_Bettis]

This is amazing information! Thank you so much, Alisa and Seth! I look forward to reading The 1916 Project.

[@317237hope]

Wow, what an education I'm receiving today, thank you so much for this interview!

[@marshaclark1398]

Woodrow Wilson was a eugenist

[@CliftonBoje]

Friend, what is our standard for our thoughts, words and deeds? Is it not righteousness? Friend, the means have to be righteous. The question is not foundationally whether it is incremental or immediatist, but rather is it righteous. Are we pursuing God's righteous goals using righteous means? What is our highest goal? Is saving preborns be our highest goal? Please don't misunderstand me. The Lord distilled the law of God down to the 1st and 2nd Greatest Commandments. Yet is not God's glory our highest goal? My concern is that in our zeal to rescue our pre-born neighbors, we might become what Proverbs 25:26, says: "Like a trampled spring and a polluted well Is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked."

[@apacheireland]

We listen to every episode, and appreciate your ministry. To call Seth ‘aggressive’ is to call a hurricane forceful. Between the disrespectful whining and effeminate voices that he employed to ‘give voice’ to the opposing side, the profoundly arrogant tone of addressing pastors, the name-calling, and the complete inability to stay on topic, he was absolutely everything we teach our logic / debate students NOT to be. No thank you. Your valid points and legitimate arguments were buried deep in the outhouse tank of high-minded attitude.

[@kristiLB93]

Seth is AWESOME! This is my first time listening to him. I admire his boldness. He stands firm on God's word and doesn't apologize.

[@mayagoodson]

Powerful interview...

[@chriswatson276]

MLK was also a Margaret Sanger Award recipient (in 1966).

[@jamiebluer9948]

I did not know that 😢

[@JesusistheonetrueGod]

@@jamiebluer9948 neither did I

[@indigos290]

@@chriswatson276 yep. He was heavily influenced by Marxist thought.

[@lindaa2682]

I agree with you both.I went to Pastor Durbin's church a few years ago and I disagreed with him on that point.He and his wife adopted a baby that was to be aborted so they walk the walk along with others in the church but, like Alisa said, there are so many lives that can be saved in the mean time until we can abolish abortion altogether in the future.

[@amandablakely7702]

I went to Planned Parenthood's website and was surprised to find that they fully acknowledge (and denounce) Sanger's alignment with racism and eugenics.

[@itsmarieg5816]

Of course… they’re not going to admit to it outright. They speak out of both sides of their mouth

[@prucox7278]

Love Alisa, love Seth and the way God is using them🙏🙏🙏

[@nanmurray2988]

This video is very informative, thank you.

[@CristianJermane]

A vital episode . Fantastic work

[@PaolaSanchez-hc5my]

Great episode! God bless you.

[@valleyscharping]

Become abolitionist. Pro-life is a meaningless term.

[@BJLoversforGod]

Agreed!

[@texasskygirl7890]

I follow on KZbin Abolitionist Rising. T. Russell Hunter

[@BJLoversforGod]

@@texasskygirl7890 Me too 😃

[@charliedontsurf334]

I think Alisa should talk to Rachael Wilson author of “Occult Feminism.”

[@list1726]

Thanks for posting

[@CliftonBoje]

Could you please provide documentation for Wilberforce's incrementalism? That would be very helpful. Thank you.

[@CliftonBoje]

If Wilberforce did something, does that inherently mean that what he did is right and that we should follow it?

[@erica981]

You won’t find that because he never did

[@truthseeker1795]

It's so important to make steps to end abortion so let's not get lost in the movement to get to the ultimate goal

[@Stoogewriter]

Well said!

[@mhimnotthebee]

Thank you Seth Gruber! This is so right on

[@kimsteinke713]

Y'all I have gone cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs 😂

[@indigos290]

Wilberforce was WRONG with his incrementalism. Immediate abolition of the practice in its entirety is what needs to happen. It needs to be outlawed and criminalized federally. We're not jerks for believing that. Dud just came from spitting straight fire for almost the entire show and then start pooping on the only ones of us that actually want to see abortion ended now? Bad ending Alissa.

[@ctreid87]

Bingo.

[@jeffrobinson5716]

Most people either have forgotten or don't know that MLK also received the Maragret Sanger Award.

[@JesusistheonetrueGod]

They didn't mention that in my black history lesson. I wonder why.

[@jeffrobinson5716]

@@JesusistheonetrueGod MLK is an icon of the Left.

[@JesusistheonetrueGod]

@@jeffrobinson5716 Indeed, and I'm from the leftists capital of the U.S. I grew up with a picture of the man on the wall of my pop's office. Even today, my family balks when I say something bad about the man.

[@olivialouise3148]

Daniel would not have compromised so can someone explain that. I really want to know.

[@Caleb-90]

Very sympathetic to this topic, but not a fan of this guest. I’m not familiar with him, but he could stand to meditate on these verses “A truly wise person uses few words; a person with understanding is even-tempered”. Proverbs 17:27-28

[@El.savedbyJesus]

Lots of great information, but there are a few reasons I am not sharing it. But the discussion near the end regarding church discipline is out of proper biblical context. The context of church discipline would apply if both Seth and Jeff were in the same church or at least the same denomination. But they are both in active public ministry. Durbin publicly calling for repentance in response to the actions made in the public arena. Although this is an important issue I find it unfortunately that some can let a specific evil of abortion to overshadowed the Gospel. All fall short of the glory of God apart from Christ Jesus. And as somebody who ministers to new agers. occultists and cult members the use of the term "metaphysical" would be a stumbling block for those coming out of backgrounds such as these.

[@7sheavenly]

Agreed. Not shareable. 🙁

[@jenniferoutlaw1975]

Two things: 1. Same old lie the serpent told Eve in the Garden "you will not die, you will be like God..." 2. I'm glad your guest pointed out that all these abominable ideas all stem from the same worldview, and are not really separate issues.

[@standingonthepromises285]

I listened to Seth on Conversations that Matter and here he acts totally different... wouldn't even let Alisa get a word in. I appreciate his fire and passion 💯 but his presentation here is not winning.

[@georgewagner7787]

Its so crazy bc 20 years ago activists were protesting FGM in Africa

[@erica981]

Seth misrepresented and mischaracterized abolitionism. I would highly recommend that you have an actual abolitionist on your podcast. Proverbs 18:17 the one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

[@erica981]

Not just abolitionism but also wilberforce

[@annadinenna9220]

please have an abolitionist on your show to clarify. Seth only gave some of what it’s really about and your audience needs to hear the truth, not Seth’s take on it.

[@megknapp]

Can you point me in the direction of learning about humanism and discerning it from a biblical worldview?

[@RainbowMan.]

Beautiful!! 😍 🦄😊😻

[@leanagonzalez467]

I love your show, but people like Tucker Carlson have very little credibility, go to far extremes, and do not truly stand/support any biblical Godly views.

[@makeitcount179]

" Liberty of Conscience " - Right. 1st Point : Agree thatRomans 12:2 is a general moral bearing. 2nd Point : Agree that the Holy Spirit is our Teacher Who Forever Lives to Affirm the Full Counsel of God.(John 14:26) And He Teaches 1 Truth. ( Law of Non-Contradiction Always in use as a meaSure.)

[@fayechurch8703]

preach it brother. try working in Health care

[@bevp7838]

The hardest thing I ever went through was a disabling illness 13 years before I could have retired. Now… I look at it as a blessing. What I saw going on in hospitals during the great pandemic that wasn’t made me grateful that I was no longer affiliated with inpatient care. My recent hip replacement surgery cemented my opinion.

[@jeffmiller2396]

Unfortunately, Margaret Sanger is from the same small city as I. Every time I'm reminded, I cringe. Why do I cringe? This is a perfect exampe why.

[@317237hope]

I love Seth's passion and ability to articulate, but he's a bit wild. Is it just me, or is he not answering questions Alisa is asking?

[@gregjemmett1444]

Agreed. In many ways this was a monologue and a tirade. I know these are important issues, but I would have preferred equal amounts of grace and humility, with truth.

[@heidijofulk4663]

While I so appreciate and find fuel and truth in this podcast, I too was really disappointed and frustrated with Seth’s tone throughout the interview. The truth and necessary information-even when it’s hard-does not need to be shared with a condescending, mocking, or sarcastic tone. That’s part of your purpose statement on each podcast! Fire-for sure! Truth-always! But condescension and sarcasm were a rampant distraction in this episode.

[@kylezimmerman8381]

Regarding political involvement... Jesus as The Way never appealed to Rome. He never tried to get Cesar or Roman officials to pass new laws that would bring about His Kingdom or improve morality around Him. He did not advocate for his disciples to take political action or to become political leaders. He told Peter to put down the sword. Instead of using politics Jesus did something way more beautiful. He gave us the Kingdom of God that transcends all earthly kingdoms. It's living under and through His new law that allows hearts to be changed and societies to be transformed. We can care for the marginalized, poor, single mothers, and unborn through Jesus's Kingdom without casting votes and tying ourselves to earthly political parties that don't line up with Jesus.

[@aaronvienot]

You may not get a lot of love for saying all that, but I believe you are correct. Many modern Christians are completely ignorant of early Christian history when it comes to political un-involvement -- or at most, discount it because "that was a dictatorship so whatever." Yet they effectively turned an empire upside down by preaching the gospel, suffering as martyrs, and living in contrast the social norms. As just one example, in Rome, post-partum abortion was one of the many social evils: an unwanted infant was placed in a basket on the front doorstep to die of exposure, and this was allowed. The Christians became known for rescuing and adopting these children. Instead of changing the culture by political outreach, they knocked it sideways by demonstrating sacrificial love for the culture's victims.

[@cedarbrooknut]

Jesus never did that because he couldn't do that. Roman law does not work in any way similar to the US. Normal Roman citizens didn't vote and had no say in laws at all. We have the wonderful privilege in America that we can be involved in those ways. In my opinion to not engage or participate is to waste a gift that has been given to us. I have not thought it fully through, so I have no opinion on this point, but could it even potentially be sinful to have the ability to help and not do it? Sin of ommission? Something to consider. What you say is true about living as citizens of heaven(I am paraphrasing), but it does not mean we shouldn't use every avenue to create and support laws that protect life or support other things we believe as Christians. To use the argument "Jesus didn't do A, B, or C..." just doesn't work. He had a very specific earthly mission, and that was His focus. As the body of Christ, we can serve more broadly.

[@JesusistheonetrueGod]

I've had people get just as upset at me because I've never voted and I likely never will. I simply don't believe in voting, but I do believe in prayer.

[@JJMCape]

Gruber 👍🔥

[@larrywaddell8070]

All things that come pass are declared by God from eternity past. All this is God's will and we can't change his will since he is immutable.

[@JamesRiddle_Christ_is_King]

I believe Martin Luther King Jr received the first Margaret Sanger award. That figures.

[@georgewagner7787]

How can the Australian guy say babies don't have consciousness just bc he doesn't remember his childhood? They dont have voices but its only bc the vocal cords aren't developed. They can use sign language

[@list1726]

Bro you must not be hanging in the right circles. There are pastors out here preaching.

[@garyjelich4709]

How could Margaret Sanger be both a Communist and an influencer of Adolf Hitler at the same time? Wasn't Hitler fiercely opposed to Commmunism?

[@chriswatson276]

Both the N*zis and the Communists were Socialists, but Communists want to deploy socialism on a global scale while N*zis were focused on a national level. Just a difference between nationalism and globalism though both with a base of socialism.

[@melindamercier6811]

They also claimed to be Christians and claimed to hate Marxism, despite putting actual Christians in concentration camps and doing EXACTLY what Marx called for.

[@dorvinion]

It helps to understand that eugenics was basically adopted by all 'right thinking' individuals of the era. It was not looked upon as a fringe idea. If you were highly educated it was to some degree almost expected you would embrace and advocate for it. Economically speaking, whether you were on the C-side or the F-side, the 'inferior races' were viewed as impediments to their ends so it was not exactly a real point of disagreement between the two factions. That said, it was not Sanger they lauded, it was the two eugenicists she was associated with, and AFAIK they were not communists

[@HisServant77]

From the outset you can see that Seth is very zealous for what he's saying :)

[@mcgarrtirishgal3903]

53:08 and they're also connected to freemasonry

[@Number4lead]

Hillary Clinton was a big fan of Margaret sanger.

[@gramingo6402]

Although I appreciate all the information and his zeal, his delivery was so aggressive that I couldn’t watch the whole episode. I’ve never stopped listening to such an important subject. I’m sorry.

[@michaelhagerman7829]

👊💥🔥🙏🔥✝️🔥🇺🇸🔥🙏🔥✝️🔥🇺🇸

[@robertmueller2023]

Slaves to sin! The Kingdom of God is already here among us. You just haven't figured out how to achieve eternity like Jesus.

[@user-fh6kl4uw3v]

Raha ja maine😂

[@charlesstanger9183]

As a Christian am I supposed to be in the world but not of the world?

[@Pipers_hooman]

What does that have to do with this video? Are you suggesting this isn't an evil that the Lord wants you to stand up against? Are you not supposed to speak up for those who can't speak for themselves? Those created in the image of God who are being slaughtered? Being of the world means you stay silent and allow it to continue..

[@charlesstanger9183]

@@Pipers_hooman Notice the phrase is "NOT OF THE WOLD". You have stated that point correctly. Being "IN THE WORLD" simply means to address the evils in this world and not ignore them.

[@katrinagrubner4263]

John 17:18 - 'As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world'. We have been sent INTO the world, but we are not of it. We are the light that exposes the evil deeds of darkness in this world and then point them to the gospel.

[@charlesstanger9183]

@@katrinagrubner4263 We are in total agreement. Thank you for the Bible Verse, expansion and clarification.

[@brucejones7071]

What a slippery, fast talker! Why do I get the strong sensation that he's pulling the wool over our eyes, mixing truth and falsehood?

[@thejourney1369]

You cover such important issues, but your constant advertising throughout the video takes away from what you are doing. I watch probably ten other Christian channels, Sean McDowell, Melissa Doughtry, and none of them have advertising. I am going to be unsubscribing.

[@jacquelineandrea8172]

I'm just glad the advertising is informing me about christian based companies. Im also happy its not youtube disruptive adds that you can't skip over. Just fast forward, it takes 2 seconds. Her content is worth more than being annoyed by a few ads don't you think?

[@JesusistheonetrueGod]

At least she dowsn't advertise bad products. Sister Alisa has to make a living.

[@JesusistheonetrueGod]

@@jacquelineandrea8172 Indeed, and she advertises God honoring products.

[@list1726]

It seems like you really like to be on camera

[@kimsteinke713]

Propaganda is you two