The Steph v Magic debate has gone too far…

[@channonlucas-desmond]

THANK YOU! The "Steph isn't a PG" always annoys me. So dumb

[@piotrswat169]

He is a PG but his skill is much more deadly when he plays SG.IMO

[@channonlucas-desmond]

@piotrswat169 he doesn't "play" like a SG, he PLAYS like a basketball player. You say play like a SG... he doesn't play like Kobe, he doesn't play like Mike, he doesn't play like Dwade or AI. How about basketball players play basketball differently

[@piotrswat169]

@@channonlucas-desmond never said he plays like a SG.He is a pure shooter position is SHOOTING GUARD.Duh

[@jahkrmusic]

@@piotrswat169 He's not a pure shooter is the point. He is just as much of a PG. He just orchestrates it using off-ball movement. He doesn't run the offense, the offense runs through him. He is still getting his teammates open more effectively than the way a traditional PG does it (Traditional PGs being your best player dont typically win Chips btw). I don't understand this value of a traditional PG. We don't rank that way. We rank players who play the position not how well they play said position.

[@piotrswat169]

@@jahkrmusic He is a pure shooter.Take the Olympics LeGM on the ball Curry free to drop bombs.Which is why the gold medal.To be honest he is not bad on both positions and is fluid enough to switch them like boxers switch stances.

[@youngyin221.m7]

If we solely looked at resumés with no context behind Bill Russell would of been the greatest player to ever touch the ball 😂😂😂

[@remnant8898]

no, we wouldn't because the resumes would have all of the information listed to inform us that, although Bill is the ultimate winner, he was never dominant offensively..

[@Tryingjoinaclan]

@@remnant8898doesn’t matter, greatest player because of the gap of his success alone. But we dont go by that. Dominance is winning. Stop moving the goal post.

[@remnant8898]

@@Tryingjoinaclan it does matter, and the fact that you don't realize that shows how little you know about the game.

[@og_mante5138]

@@remnant8898 It doesn’t matter in reference to his original comment because you talking about his “offensive dominance” is adding context

[@Agent_Apostle]

How? That’s complete cap

[@mackniffy]

“Steph doesn’t initiate the offense” go watch the Celts finals and listen to who is actually calling the offensive sets

[@dreamer3815]

Facts at the biggest stage not a regular season game

[@_noahlockhart_]

and more often then not they say draymond initiates the offense, when steph is always the one giving dray the abll at the tok then the screens start

[@mackniffy]

@@_noahlockhart_ facts calls the play flips the ball to Draymond so he’s useful then gets open cause he’s the best scoring option

[@yahiaali4059]

@@_noahlockhart_yea but I’m the finals Draymond was getting benched and fouled out. He was doing pick and roll with wiggins a lot

[@RESTONI24]

Steph does not initiate offense. He IS the offense. Everything happens because he is on the floor, if not shooting, he is the decoy to free up space.

[@remnant8898]

Stupid argument by the bald guy. Steph has always been a pg. Just because his skillset allows him to expand into SG territory, doesn't negate that he's still a PG. Heck, Magic was listed as a pg for the first 3 years of his career, are we changing it up for him as well?

[@regal394]

It's Bron Bots that say this

[@logicoveremotionspodcastre453]

My boy lmao. Reacting to this today or tomorrow mhm

[@Ogbruhbruh]

He doesn’t pass enough to be a pg and dray is the pass 1st coach on the floor.

[@regal394]

@@Ogbruhbruh you don't watch Warriors games

[@Ogbruhbruh]

@@regal394 🤣🤣🤣. I was born in the bay and lived in nor cal my whole life (35 year). I watched run tmc…spreewell… the we believe…and Steph warriors. A pg makes sure every one else score and play they part. Thats drays job. He’s elite and as far as overall play I only got magic above him in the “pg” category. But the warriors play position less basketball.

[@callumw6031]

Steph is a PG because he redefined the position

[@tonj02]

No, he’s a point guard because he plays point guard. If he were always sharing the floor with another pg (hypothetically say he were teammates with a magic, or Kidd, or Stockton, etc), then you could say he’s playing SG because there’s another pg on the floor. The fact is, curry has always been the only pg on the floor for the majority of his career. The reason lebron was listed as a SF in Miami is because he shared the floor with a pg in chalmers or cole. In 2020, he was listed as a PG because there was no other pg on the floor with him. If they subbed rondo in and they played together, rondo was considered the PG and James was considered a forward.

[@Windmill360]

He didn't refine the position, he helped redefine the long-range game overall (along with analytics). Combo Guards or scoring Point Guards isn't a new thing though. Steph is just a better shooter than everyone else.

[@SDTheGhost23]

​@tonj02 I'm pretty sure Avery Bradley played pg on the Lakers but i can't remember. I know he didn't go to the bubble so they were down a pg

[@ForeignCapone]

@@Windmill360facts, combo and scoring guards always existed, I’m not sure why people act like it don’t, most modern superstar pgs are combo, scoring pgs.

[@a.sturdy5940]

He didn't redefined but he's definitely a pg

[@danielfagang3025]

People who say Steph isn't a point guard are dumb and that's all there is to it

[@stephenlansing]

or they refuse to hear an argument that magic isn’t the greatest PG ever. i still personally have magic but for the fact he’s had a more decorated career. the “steph isn’t a PG” conversation is dumb

[@malevxlent3934]

he is only listed at point guard because that is the position who gets away with being smaller than average in terms of height, but his skill set is that of a shooting or combo guard. other than call people dumb bring a real argument

[@malevxlent3934]

@@stephenlansing yall say anyone a pg these days. how guys like curry and sga are pgs but a center or power forwards like giannis average more asts or similar assists per game than them. curry dont have a pg skillset

[@roronoaDzoro1111]

@@malevxlent3934 did you watch the video?????

[@StefIsCold]

@@malevxlent3934 curry does have a pg skill set he just plays off ball a lot because he spaces out the floor so well- have you not seen him pass you must just read box stats

[@Shoto_x]

Bruhhh why did i think Kendrick Perkins was Rick Ross for a sec

[@z7dontplay]

LMAO

[@thegreatone5984]

Every day im hustlin

[@EA-dweller]

Cause he doesn’t make sense but somehow makes money out of it.

[@bavingates2502]

Understandable

[@codyrm86]

Kendrick Perkins thinks he is rick ross occasionally lol

[@Lawrence2379]

Steph as a passer is closer to magic than magic as a shooter to Steph

[@chrisdwellingham5320]

This is wrong as hell. Look it up Magic was one of the 5-10 best shooters of the late 80s and early 90s. Steph isn't close to Magic.

[@3kdeadsouls412]

⁠@@chrisdwellingham5320yes it’s true magic was a top 10 shooter in the 80s but if Steph played in the 80s and Steph did not shoot then Steph would be known for his passing bc Steph is a really good passer

[@urbaindelva7869]

​​​@@chrisdwellingham5320He was talking about Steph as a passer, not a shooter. And despite that fact, Steph still clears Magic as a shooter.

[@drakevick1646]

The whole position debate is so stupid, because it’s such a semantics take. Who cares about play style? He plays at the point guard position, and arguably plays better from that position than Magic, so thereby, he is arguably a better pg. Like it’s not that crazy of a concept to grasp

[@SWAGTVmusic]

A lot of people look at positions as if it’s football positions. They don’t understand the NBA is more malleable than the NFL with It’s more strict rules.

[@onetakemanny101]

To me people try to take that stance because they know curry is better

[@reimixo]

​@@onetakemanny101better shooter and off ball, .. like a shooting guard.... But even without that PG SG whatever talk... Magic is a better passer, playmaker, rebounder... Steph is a better shooter.... 3fmvps with kareem on his Squad... 3mvps... Curry is now since his last ring being put In top 10 convo... Magic been in that top 5 for 35y....

[@onetakemanny101]

@@reimixo curry has better impact. Better comp. Plus magic was 6'9 playing guard but was still not a good scorer. And is only a slightly better defender which again also because he's six nine. You ask most people to make an all time starting five most are going to Have curry. Curry is more iconic. Has battled arguably the best player of all time his whole career as a 6'2 guard and won. Give me curry, but I respect magic tho bro

[@reimixo]

@@onetakemanny101 better comp? Ahahaha not a good scorer? Because he didn't take 20 shots? Lol Impact? Not on the court..... On how the game is played yes...

[@tonj02]

How you can tell that the people who say magic is better have lost the debate is that they refuse to actually have the debate, they just change the topic to curry not being a point guard. Forget the positions, just have the debate about who is better. Curry is better and these guys just say “he’s not a real pg” so the argument is changed to what position is he really as opposed to who the better player is.

[@SDTheGhost23]

If we are doing that then magic isn't a pg. What's traditional about a 6.9" pg

[@rest4rt000]

I disagree it’s the opposite Steph fans don’t want to have the convo because it doesn’t favor him

[@jeremiahsmith7706]

We can have that debate rn

[@StefIsCold]

@@rest4rt000 how is that the case when steph fans been saying its a debate for at least the past year or 2

[@XanielMarino]

It doesn’t make sense to even dismiss the argument with that tactic because Magic’s career gives them so much ammo you don’t need to go there. And I’m a guy that leans Steph

[@KEVEONISEYE]

It’s not hard. Magic is great because he was a great point guard. Curry is great for redefining what a point guard is, what you deem greater is souly your opinion

[@Dologaming24]

I’ve been saying It for years. As a point guard, It’s the only position where If you aren’t Magic or Stockton you aren’t a “real pg”. Lebron, Melo and Kawhi all play totally different, but they are all viewed as SFs. Jokic, Dream and Dwight all play different but are all called Cs. That’s for every position except PG.

[@simple45679]

Yes, it's time to let that boomer mindset go. Steph is a PG

[@TheGreatestJediOfAllTime]

Comparing a 1980s PG to a 2010’s PG is just dumb. Full stop.

[@AG30]

Yeah it’s like saying bill Russell vs Demarcus cousins in 1960 vs 2010s the argument isn’t really there

[@TheGaara802]

Exactly I don't compare eras I just let losers online get heated over worthless debates, it's funny and sad to see grown men online crying in comments over overpaid athletes that don't even know they exist

[@holypopy]

Curry bust their ass if you teleport him in 1980 he can score 60-80 on their head in 2024 he dealing with the like of 7 footer and all of farmer in almost every team . Not only that the pace is very much different « faster » and players are more efficient . Steph don’t need to adapt to the game , the game and other have to adapt to him that what make you the goat of your sport .

[@awelch31]

@@holypopy I doubt it… that goes to everyone’s point. The game is so different that 3 pointers weren’t even a thing. The 1979-80 season was the first even with a 3 point line. If Steph started jacking up 3’s he would’ve been benched in a heartbeat. The game was interior back then. Not to mention, a bunch of his dribble moves would be called traveling. Not saying he wouldn’t end up being a decent player, but he wouldn’t be the Curry of today. That’s why he’s Curry TODAY. No one even seriously practiced deep shots because it wasn’t a part of the game. Stupid argument

[@airfrance4365]

​@holypopy Stop it the game was different and Steph wouldn't be able to play with the freedom he has in this era.

[@ambientsounds5832]

Give me steph over magic 7 days out of the week. dont @ me bc i will not respond.

[@chris.48]

Don’t let them silence you

[@onetakemanny101]

I agree bro🔥

[@baseupp12]

So dont debate with good points I wont answer because im close minded

[@musicplug1730]

I agree, steph is hella underrated. This man had a 73-9 record team with klay thompson as the only other good player offensively on that team

[@anirudhranjan2934]

​@@musicplug1730 The way you framed your sentence seems to imply that Klay was not that good. Klay was a killer who got Warriors last many great teams in the playoffs. Steph had no rings without Klay. Klay was always impactful. Except maybe for the 2022 ring. But one can always debate

[@IAmCrimsonYT]

RJ said Steph doesn't initiate the offense meanwhile Magic does and that means Steph is a shooting guard. The reason Steph doesn't initiate the offense as much is because ever since Steve Kerr took over as head coach in 2014-15, he wanted to utilize a motion offense and Steph was the perfect guy for it, because he's the best off ball player and shooter ever. He's so versatile that he can dominate both off and on ball, but because the Warriors were built around guys like Draymond, Iggy, Bogut, etc. those are all guys who are connective passers and playmaking hubs, so it would be stupid for Steph/Kerr to not utilize those guys' skillset to the best of their ability. They are also play finishers too, we all know Iggy, Bogut, etc. could always catch nice lobs, or Dray back in his prime was a solid catch and shooter, but the whole argument for what makes Steph so great is because he also wants to maximize those guys and use their other abilities too, and in a system with great off ball movement players like Steph himself, Klay, KD, etc. it'd be absolutely stupid not to do that as it makes it so hard to defend. It's just so disingenuous to penalize Steph for being incredibly versatile, yet like LOW said, no one does this for any other player, like Bron for example. Which other players in NBA history could provide incredible spacing, off ball movement and playmaking, incredible screen setting for a 6'3 guard, while also playing in defensive slanted lineups with 2 or more non-shooters on the court and make it look great? That's incredible impact and makes the case for best offensive player ever for Steph, while Magic had to have the ball in his hands to really maximize his offensive impact. Steph also averaged more assists before Kerr took over (go look at his 2013/2014 stats), so he has shown he can be a very good passer, and a more traditional point guard by initiating the offense, while also being a huge scoring threat. Even in the first year of Kerr as head coach, in a motion offensive system, Steph average 24 PPG and 7.7 AST, so he really can do it all. Ultimately it's a bit of a coin flip for me. I'll take Steph because I think he's just better overall and I'm a bit biased, but I think people are more disingenuous with their arguments when it comes to these two, rather than making actual logical rebuttals.

[@jaxsonburch-eo1vz]

Thank you, it’s almost like no one actually paid attention to steph before Steve Kerr took over. Steph was consistent 8 assist a game type player.

[@Omakhara]

People not seeing this are just casuals. Steph, especially in the clutch, pounds the hell out of th ball and initiates the offense. Penalizing him for getting doubleteamed after a Dray screen who gets a easy 4-3 situation and saying he didnt initiate the offense is ridiculous.

[@scottstevens129]

Who reading this

[@IAmCrimsonYT]

@@scottstevens129 Me when I have the attention span of an 8 year old

[@koster_2k]

You know I had magic for a long time but man.. After that Olympic run its really made me consider curry being Number 1. He literally changed the way Nba is played today. Curry and the warriors made everyone realize shooting is the future. SO because of that I got curry as the greatest PG of all time. Also curry still has atleast 2 years in the nba maybe 4-5 years if he wants to keep going. Im sure his shooting will hold up and he can play for a while longer if he wants to.

[@ijudgetakes]

Glad to see 2k content creators involved in actual basketball discourse. Good to see you, Koster.

[@bboywolf]

Magic changed the point guard position too, before curry magic was the standard. Only michael jordan had done that after him

[@onetakemanny101]

​@@bboywolf yea but nobody has changed basketball more than curry. Not even Jordon. Everywhere you go people are shooting from deep.

[@bboywolf]

@@onetakemanny101 not true, jordan changed the game more because curry made shooting popular. Jordan made winning championships as a guard popular even though only 1 guards sin e jordan have succeeded

[@onetakemanny101]

@@bboywolf yea but Jordon didn't change the way the game was played as much as curry. It's not even close. Not just college, highschool and local gyms. He changed the way pros played as well

[@frankyteleoise1862]

Steph can actually initiate offense without the ball, that’s honestly something we’ve never seen before. The amount of attention he gets without the ball only rivals Jordan and kobe. 7:47 this take is so spot on.

[@schuylerkrizay6192]

bro steph gets way more attention than them straight up

[@patrick05Morgan]

Magic joining Kareem and a 47 win playoff team his rookie year and then the lakers drafting James worthy number 1, 3 years later after a 57 win season is insane. Thats like if Steph curry got drafted to the Cavs in 2009 with Lebron and then they got to draft Anthony Davis 3 seasons later in 2012😂.

[@fobinc]

I'd rather take Steph got drafted to Heat with DWade, and getting AD after. I am heavily biased against Lebron, though.

[@Black_Guy]

Yeah, so Curry having the second greatest 3 point shooter ever then getting an all-time scorer in Durant just wasn't enough, huh? Magic also won a championship before Worthy and won a final in his rookie year when Kareem was injured and out the entire finals. Magic wasn't solely a product of his team

[@patrick05Morgan]

@@Black_Guy KAREEM WAS OUT THE ENTIRE FINALS??Bro you literally just lied. Kareem missed the last game but he averaged 33 points, 14 rebounds, and 5 blocks. Realistically Kareem should have won finals mvp but the media was prisoner of the moment after game 6. Magic had more help tha. Curry for significantly longer. End of story.

[@Black_Guy]

@patrick05Morgan My bad. I was misinformed. I didn't intentionally lie. Curry went to 5 straight finals. 3 of which had KD. He also had Klay, Drayton, Iguadala, that 6'-7" pg that I can't remember his name, Harrison Barnes. They played good system ball. Magic had Kareem, Worthy, and Byron Scott. Kareem was already established, but Worthy and Scott may not have been the same without Magic. Teammates work off each other. Do you think Steph wins consistently without Klay, Draymond, Iguadala, or KD? They even lost to Toronto in their 5th finals after KD got injured. Steph and KD were top 3 players at the time, and Klay was the second greatest shooter at that time and of all time. Curry has had more offensive help than almost every other superstar than Lebron James. And he has had some great defensive teams that were great despite his barely passable defense. He's been blessed.

[@dariusewing6962]

@@patrick05Morgan 46 12 and 8 isn't prisoner of the moment winning at 76s place beating Dr J as a rookie...The lakers didn't make the playoffs the year before lol 😂

[@Nightmare-we8vm]

The debate on greatness is close but I think Curry is a far better player. I think the biggest issue for people is that Magic had a very strong start to his career and Curry was just okay.

[@CoutureThug]

Exactly they act like Steph had the stars that magic had on his team to throw assists to, especially the west being weak in the 80's

[@hrsh-zf6mj]

Magic averaged 18 7 7 on that team, and Steph averaged 17.5 4 4 on a team whose best player was monta ellis (who literally plays the same spot). Curry literally overperformed in his rookie year to what was expected.

[@sin_cityy]

you can literally use the same logic with football, lamar jackson he a quarterback but his best attribute is running so it makes no sense when they say steph not a point guard

[@Yeet-ing]

Lamar Jackson is a running back, playing quarterback.

[@sin_cityy]

@@Yeet-ing lamar jackson is literally listed at QB, cause he can throw also. if he could only run why not just make him a running back

[@damousx6860]

@@sin_cityyhe was originally a wide receiver

[@jonathanmendosa9023]

I remember all I heard in 2022 was “this Boston historic defense” the Steph cooked them and all of a sudden Boston was “ young and inexperienced” the goal post will always move for Steph

[@theonlygoodonehere2259]

I am a celtics fan, and I have always said we would lose in the 2022 finals, never heard historic, prob last time I heard it was when we swept the nets, but giannis took us to 7 by himself, and butler with injured heat took us to 7, so how would we beat healthy warriors, if anything, its debatable if warriors win if bucks, heat, and nuggets are healthy

[@quantumhype9839]

The number of rings argument makes no sense, unless you believe bill russel is greater than Jordan. If you're building an all time roster, it's obvious Steph is the better choice than magic.

[@bboywolf]

3 fmvp to 1 fmvps... and an extra ring and an extra mvp... wtf are you on??

[@quantumhype9839]

@@bboywolf bill Russel beats everyone including magic lebron Jordan. He your pick for number 1? Didn't think so. Bill has more rings cause it was easier to win in the 60s, just like it was easier for magic to win in the 80s, today there's more competition, period. Only a fool would choose magic over curry today in a starting 5 that they trying to actually win.

[@dannygarcia7834]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@bboywolfhaving curry on your team would move the needle more than magic in todays game, arguing accolades with no context 🤦‍♂️

[@bboywolf]

@@quantumhype9839 yes, bill russell at #1 is fine with me. He CLEARS lebron and magic lol only players with resumes like russell are kaj and jordan

[@bboywolf]

@@dannygarcia7834 idgaf about todays game because by that logic larry bird should be higher than both since he would be luka+jokic, but you dont have that opinion

[@theeALister]

The teams that Magic had throughout his career would have been like if Steph had the 2017 Warriors for 9 seasons. 😂😂😂

[@redman6790]

That's so true. Curry career pretty much started in Year 6. Magic career started from Rookie season. So its unfair to compare championships and even then Steph comes comparably close lol!!! #30 greatest pg ever, its undeniable

[@RIPJimmyA7X]

​@@redman6790 yep, Currys always been my favorite player ever since Davidson and even I said Magic was number 1 but I've changed my mind the last 3 years. Steph has surpassed Magic imo

[@sssamui286]

i think its really though to consider magic and kareem both top 5 players oat when they won most of their chips with each other and the showtime lakers arent considered the best team oat

[@MOCskoden]

Stephen Curry is the greatest point guard I have ever seen, and has played 10+ prime seasons of basketball while being the second most accomplished in his era behind possibly the greatest basketball player of all time LeBron James

[@Dipset415]

You had me until the lebron James BS😭Steph is better than Lebron and ain’t no arguably with MJ and Lebron

[@MOCskoden]

@@Dipset415 aight man 🤣 put down the ganja

[@schuylerkrizay6192]

@@Dipset415 bro I am a massive dubs fan, steph is my favourite player of all time. He just aint better than bron. Sad as it is for me to admit.

[@logicalbrother]

If you not in the top 25 all time in assists you not a top point guard...spin it how you want period

[@holypopy]

In an era with play’s that are way better than before ! The game has to adapt to Steph he shaped today’s game , resumé don’t tell nothing ! when era are different and the opposition is far superior !

[@JasonAlmighty]

IMO “Guards” are 6’6 and under. Magic is 6’9 he really should be considered a Forward.

[@legacytv2453]

By this context, "best Point Guard" is best playmaker

[@niltash4ever]

You’re giving Steph a treatment that no one gives Lebron when comparing him to Jordan.

[@love6ic202]

It’s funny they say curry ain’t a PG but won’t bat an eye at 6’7-6’8 magic johnson is a PG lol they both are outside of what’s a standard PG 🤷🏽‍♂️ so that argument shouldn’t even be happening lol

[@baseupp12]

Magic playstyle wise is not outside of standard though thats what they are talking about playstyle not body size

[@zVlayy]

​@@baseupp12 Magic ain't nothing but a passing bandit Steph>Magic any day.

[@zVlayy]

​@@baseupp12 Delusional

[@lotusjumpingspider8761]

The reason they don’t want to call Steph a point guard is because they don’t want to give him his flowers. If we acknowledge him as a PG then we have to say he’s a the or top 2 if we don’t and call him a SG we can dismiss him as the best in his position

[@donandres4767]

People forget Steph used to play as a "traditional point guard" under Mark Jackson, but then Steve Kerr and Draymond Green came in and changed the system, making Steph play a different style, however that doesn't mean Steph isn't a point guard. He is a point guard + the ability to shoot like no other, his gravity and the movement without the ball which makes him a more impactful player/point guard than Magic Johnson and the rest.

[@markjones2518]

I will take magic any day of the week Steph is the better player Magic had the better career

[@djadondaman17]

Bird had something to do with that as well

[@Tryingjoinaclan]

Ill take the guy that changed the game forever and at his SIZE alone

[@SWAGTVmusic]

@@djadondaman17 i’m going to be honest with you. Bird was just a part of the story and rivalry. Magic Johnson clearly was the better player out of the two and made the game fun to watch.

[@bradentucker4854]

@@Tryingjoinaclan but why he’s accomplished less while having more time to do so

[@mjgould1192]

Magic saving the nba doesn’t make him better at basketball than another player. That just means he was important to history. Him saving the game has nothing to do with on court ability. Bill Russell was a civil rights activist without him magic might not even be able to be in the nba. This doesn’t mean he is better than magic.

[@RIPJimmyA7X]

Literally no one talks style of play when talking best SG, SF, PF or Center but as soon as Curry threw his name in the ring suddenly apparently to be a PG you can only play one certain style lol lets just ignore the fact that Stockton, Nash, Zeke, the big O and Magic all played way different from each other.

[@Steezus713]

I’m taking Magic

[@Professional8866]

I’m taking Steph.

[@pubIicreIations]

stupidity

[@Sheng-Li248]

Bro really said the West in the 80's was one the weakest conferences. So... we're just going to completely dismiss the fact that Houston eliminated the Lakers twice in the decade, they had to go up against a Stockton and Malone led Jazz team, that George Gervin and Artis Gilmore led Spurs team, that high scoring Nuggets team, that Mavericks team that had a prime Mark Aguirre, Renoldo Blackman and Detlef Schrempf and a Blazers team that had Clyde Drexler, Calvin Natt, Fat Lever, Jim Paxson, Kiki Vanderweghe and eventually Terry Porter? Really? 😂☠️

[@er7776]

Who?

[@sergeistalin7916]

All years have a few great players, those 80s west were kinda lame. Like those Utah Jazz didnt make the playoffs until 84 and they were 1mediocre until 93. So i wouldnt say that Magic played against a great Utah team. Compare it to the East with the Celtics, Detroit, Philly.

[@venomj8179]

​@er7776 Exactly, you only live by the moment type of person don't worry people will forget what the Warriors opponents are on the future.

[@sergeistalin7916]

@@venomj8179 I mean, is hard to forget about Luka, LeBron, Spurs, OKC, etc.

[@venomj8179]

@sergeistalin7916 Spurs? lol Kawhi was injured in that series Spurs wasn't the same team, and people are already destroying Russell Westbrook, saying he is a turnover machine. Everyone says that Luka was young & he needs help, so that's not a brag for the Warriors to beat him. Lebron fans all cry and moan about how pathetic his teammates are.

[@trillgoon5493]

Steph is a point guard by definition. Opens the floor for teammate an get them open shots he don’t have to pass them the ball to get them open shots or layups

[@elimullen9864]

It simple imo Steph is the best pg ever while Magic is the greatest

[@TheBestMovieAlive]

Uh, what?

[@cr5564]

​@@TheBestMovieAlive they're saying that Steph is the better player, while Magic has more accolades and has a greater significance to the game for saving the nba along with Bird. Which is possible considering the era and context matter

[@roscoeorginal]

@@cr5564 Steph changed the entire principle of Basketball. I doubt if he found any success, we wouldn’t be seeing half of these players taking the amount of threes. When I saw Brook Lopez shoot a three pointer, I knew the game has changed forever. That shouldn’t take away Magic legitimately saving the NBA😭

[@mariocardenas1833]

Best means greatest. These type of takes are stupid

[@bwalkeri]

@@cr5564in no way does he have more significance to the NBA. He did not shape a new era of play style and damn near forced every player around the world to shape their game differently. Not even close.

[@christopheroconnor8057]

Steph is a PG but Magic is still the better one. Better passer, better rebounder, more versatile, more physically gifted, more rings mvps FMVPs and stat titles, greatest passer of all time. It’s not even a debate to me a whole Hof resume still separates Steph from Magic

[@hrsh-zf6mj]

Did Magic redefine what it means to be a PG? That's my answer. I can confidently say that Magic won't have the same career as he did if were to get drafted by anyone other than the Lakers and Celtics. But Curry will still have the same career because his first ring was made from the drafts. Look at Ben Simmons, who has the same build, and skillset as Magic and where is he now? A player without a jump shot in the modern NBA is useless.

[@christopheroconnor8057]

@@hrsh-zf6mj u act like Simmons wasn’t such a good player early on when he still gave a fuck that he was drawing LeBron comparisons and made multiple all star teams in his first few seasons. Magic did redefine the PG, nobody had ever seen a 6’9 200+ PG before and oversized PG’s are a more common thing now. LeBron plays point half the time and he’s the same height as Magic. Magic wasn’t a great shooter but he could still hit them when open, if anything he was at least still a better shooter than Ben was, and Ben made multiple all star teams before even reaching what should have been his prime. Saying Magic wouldn’t have done what he did if he wasn’t drafted to LA but Steph would’ve done what he did no matter what is wild, cuz Steph beat an injured Cavs in 2015, choked in 2016, then had KD join him to form a superteam. If that never happens Steph has two chips tops he got just as much fortunate stuff as Magic did

[@Folksluv_spidamann]

This is the most brain dead nba take ever

[@TheBlackandred12]

I hate you dumbasses that bring up accolades in arguments with no honest context other than saying stupid shit like oh he has more fmvp's magic would not start in todays nba bro I promise he wouldn't I'll back up my facts reply

[@aa8995]

Thank you for bringing the rebound point, a pg is supposed to score and assist rebounds is a plus not an argument

[@kjjr3270]

I noticed that those debates between MJ and Bron and Steph and Magic are slowly shifting to the favour of the guys of the current generation and i am all for it.

[@Eschatonx]

Same. I’m 41 so I’ve seen a sizable sample size of call the careers of the four players you’ve named. I just think personally the bottom of the NBA is much better and so is the ceiling. Players today are playing with and against players who are simply better, IMO.

[@0vern9K]

Bron vs MJ is just propaganda for the nba and there pushing it hard. Anyone not brainwashed by the internet or media knows lebron don’t hold no candle to Mike. If anything Kobe’s more similar to him and the comparisons should have stayed that way. But sadly Colorado happened and the leuage turned their back on kob after that. And thankfully when they needed a mega star post MJ bron came right when all that Colorado stuff happened Realistically brons more comparable to magic. A more athletic and defensive sound magic with a better but not great jumper is what lebron is. Tall point guard, not the best shooter, not the best ft shooter, pass first, both played in weak conferences on stacked teams, both are ball dominant, etc

[@snupedummy]

It’s because they’re careers are finishing up know there body of work is getting complete

[@RoundOfApplauseChannel]

Lol no one thinks Bron is on MJ level. That's just you wishing it was so

[@starn9]

@@0vern9KLmao bron is better than Mj. ur delusional old head

[@unravel6189]

if anything magic should be considered a point foward, people who say steph is not a pg are so stupid because they know steph is better

[@leroymcconnell9881]

MAGIC did something that no other NBA player ever did. MAGIC is the only player to win a high school state championship, ncaa championship and a NBA championship in a 4yr span. Rookie year NBA FINALS MVP w/o KAREEM VS THE 76RS. 42PTS 15REB 7ASST

[@djadondaman17]

Yup kareem DIDNT win fmvp avg 33 13 4 blks gimme a break what a joke

[@leroymcconnell9881]

​@@djadondaman17Not disagreeing with you on that part, but he got it.

[@bradentucker4854]

@@djadondaman17 why Kareem got injured for that game the last game of that series where magic goes off

[@KevonDaDon]

@@bradentucker4854Kareem got robbed everybody knows that

[@neezduts_]

@@KevonDaDonKareem wasn’t even there to close out, something yall forget is that lasting impressions determine a lot of these awards

[@ishowspeedplug2845]

people saying magic has better handles than curry need to be kidnapped .

[@a.sturdy5940]

If Curry isn't a PG then Duncan is a Power Center🤷🏿‍♂️

[@bboywolf]

Still don't make him greater than Magic. better sure, but not greater

[@wnuZeL]

@@bboywolfBetter = Greater, cope oldhead.

[@bboywolf]

​@@wnuZeL go back to school, genius. different words = different meanings.

[@zVlayy]

​@@bboywolf "Better" and "greater" are both adjectives that can be used in similar ways, but they have different meanings. However, that doesn't mean they can't be used interchangeably. Also, imagine liking your own comment - couldn't be me 😂😂"

[@zVlayy]

​@@bboywolf "School doesn't teach you everything. So stop bringing it up every time you assume someone who is probably in school has graduated, telling them to go back. 😂😂"

[@kyul9357]

Remember, Steph competes against Lebron, AD, KD, Jokic, Giannis, Luka, these are top 30 players. 4 chips, finals mvp, 2-time mvp, came into the league anorexic waif with twig ankles and 14" vertical as one of the smallest guards. Nobody gave him a chance. He did more with his talents than anybody else 🐐

[@stein4866]

steph curry fans all 25 and under and have never watched earvin magic johnson play a full gamw with they own eyes

[@zVlayy]

W assumption making but it ain't true 😂😂😂

[@zVlayy]

Delusional

[@zVlayy]

"Full gamw" speak properly! old head speak properly!

[@brazo9338]

That doesn't make magic better

[@dariusewing6962]

@@brazo9338 Wins and Rings DO!!! who he beat does as well!!! Magic 5 in 9 trips 80s Steph is a great player but he Aint better then Magic....Mag

[@Jags2Riches]

So is the question who is the better player or who’s the better PG? Because it’s hard for me to hear you say Magic is the best passer and playmaker of all time, but not the best PG.

[@howarddavis3517]

2013 was not the beginning of steph career 😂😂 that wa his 4th season and he came in older than magic, a rookie steph curry ain't never winning finals mvp no matter what team he gets drafted to💯

[@dsavage6618]

💯

[@ndomedia7513]

Everything you said in this video is 100% correct you won me over with the way you broke down this debate pause

[@dmariterry449]

stepth the best pg oat no yapp

[@durieljohnson1123]

ive been saying this for a while, if steph came into the league with magics roster, a weak conference and especially a prime kareem, steph would have more rings easily

[@fobinc]

I don't know about that, Steph took a few years to work on his interior scoring (probably quicker if he didn't have to deal with his repeated injuries). He did come in to a harder conference than Magic, though. Lakers and Spurs for a good half of his career, Portland, Clipers, and Houston not far behind, OKC and Mavs for a little bit as well.

[@somregularguy]

Steph will never be the greatest PG for the same reason Jordan is greater than LeBron, Jordan accomplished more than LeBron in less time, Magic has accomplished more in less time, has 1 more ring and 2 more FMVP’s, has 1 more MVP and not to mention Magic’s first ring was more legendary than any of Steph’s run. For the “Steph changed the game” narrative which is grossly overstated Magic didn’t just “change the game” he, along with Bird, are the reason there’s even a game to change in the first place, Steph has had more time yet hasn’t done as much which is why he’ll never surpass magic

[@TakablePond]

bron all-around complete player and mj a two way player keep it simple

[@Soreyu]

To be fair, the warriors when curry was drafted were really bad. That wasn't true for Magic. It's not a fair comparison here.

[@somregularguy]

@@Soreyu and that all went out the window when Steph hit his prime, coming in to the NBA Magic was NBA star ready, Steph wasn’t, so even if they had the same amount of help Magic would still accomplish more, not to mention Curry came to get one of the best help an NBA player could get and that’s an arguably better player than he was

[@fobinc]

@@somregularguy Steph got the team Magic had when KD joined the Warriors. Fixed it for you.

[@dariusewing6962]

@@TakablePond can't shoot free throws

[@Ssj2tone]

7:22 always felt this about Chris Paul used to be screaming shoot the ball

[@zubsiro]

Steph is not the best PG ever, that's insane. He is too bad defensively over his career, is not even top 20 as a passing playmaker, him being the greatest shooter ever can't make him the best PG ever. That's like saying Dirk is better than Tim Duncan because he is a way better shooter/scorer than him. You can't ignore other facets of the game for certain players because it fits your argument

[@kyonmurphy1120]

Magic Johnson wasn't a good defender either

[@djadondaman17]

Imagine being 6'9 and being just a bad defender as a 6'2 player. He better be better at rebs. Goat passing and goat shooting is a wash.

[@bboywolf]

​@@kyonmurphy1120he wasnt but magic got more steals blocks and rebounds so it's not the craziest gap

[@zubsiro]

@@kyonmurphy1120 I’m not talking about defense as a way to prop Magic up over Curry, I’m talking in general on the discussion of Curry and how it’s ignored when talking about him. Neither are the greatest PG to me

[@soturiks]

Yeah. Teams have different things they require from their players in the positions they are assigned to. Steph and the warriors have been able to utilize his skills as a PG to great results and created a style of PG that isn't "traditional" but is effective.

[@Jenklejankles]

You’re adding context to curry’s career whilst ignoring context in magic’s. You said one of the biggest reasons that Steph is better is that he’s more versatile, yet probably the most famous game of magic Johnson’s career was him playing at center in the finals as a rookie to close it out. Magic was a point guard who could pretty much play 1-5. Also you add the context of curry not being given the keys early in his career whilst failing to acknowledge that magics career was cut short in his prime due to HIV. I understand that accolades and MVP votes aren’t the be all and end all in terms of establishing greatness, but they are a huge factor in how we evaluate these legends. I think both players have arguments for being better than each other but magic still edges it for me.

[@howsittastes]

If you believe that players from the 80s are better than players 40 years in the future. Then I can see why you think Magic is better..

[@nyc_jon]

@@howsittastesmagic could play in any era don’t do that

[@sergeistalin7916]

I mean magic could play 1-5 and doing the same stuff in all of those positions. Put Magic in a team with Lebron and Draymond and ask him to play SG with a more off the ball role. Probably not great. When he says Curry is more versatyle is that he can play on ball and be the best Pick and Roll player of all time and draw double teams at 30 feet, or he can draw double teams at 30 feet but doing it without the ball. That versatility of playing on and off the ball has an insane impact.

[@Jenklejankles]

@@howsittastes that’s a completely different argument which renders all all time basketball debates pointless.

[@Jenklejankles]

@@sergeistalin7916 yeah sure but imagine asking Steph curry to play center? Wouldn’t work either; both were versatile in different ways.

[@kidflashiv]

I feel like the position responsibilities conversation has become pointless. Today’s era, star players (and really most players in general) are expected to have skills for multiple positions. You would prefer the guards to be able to score and pass. SF and PF have basically combined atp. And centers are expected to stretch the floor now. We don’t really do traditional roles anymore

[@rest4rt000]

LOW is confusing me because if he’s talking about who’s better it’s obviously curry but if he’s talking about who’s greater it’s magic so what is he arguing here

[@MrBakerman58]

curry is both

[@wswann34]

If he wants to narrow it down to “well let’s not include rebound and scoring”, we all know magic is by far the BEST POINT GUARD

[@rest4rt000]

@@MrBakerman58 he’s objectively not but okay lol

[@bboywolf]

Because they hate accolades since accolades make certain arguments moot.

[@rest4rt000]

@@bboywolf yeah accolades are one of the most important things in naming who’s greater

[@Getdown8319]

These players do not even function in the same way, they needed to do different things for their teams each was winner in their own way. If you threw magic on the warriors they would not operate as well and vice versa because of how the teams were designed. This constant X guy is better the Z guy is getting so old it’s like nba media cannot figure out new sh8t to talk about. They play in different eras with different rules different teammates and different coaches against different teams what are we even doing.

[@_Sheluvseli]

that break your taking on that diet has gone on wayyy too far time to get back to those salads buddy

[@aminuabdullahi5922]

The whole “is steph really a pg” convo is very redundant imo. With that being said I do have magic over curry. But I won’t disagree that Steph peaked higher as a player

[@FatBoi310]

Magic Greatest True PG(what the role was designated to be)

[@djadondaman17]

To u. There's no one way to be a pg. FYI alot of pgs won historically like steph compared to magic so that doesn't make magic better. Alot of pgs went his way and wasn't gift wrapped a great team day 1

[@FatBoi310]

@@djadondaman17 I get your point but it’s not magic fault how he was fortunate.

[@bboywolf]

You dont even know why the point guard is called this. When did the guards forwards and centers get their name?? Do some research

[@bagchaser326]

steph still better cry

[@SirTinkle221]

We gonna hafta start having a talk about Stephs longevity, Kd’s too

[@dsavage6618]

True

[@francisschuessler]

As a lifetime warriors fan I even had magic bc I put him in that all time like top 7 category. That said, I think I’m just about ready to put Steph at number 1 pg. Obviously Steph is my goat 😂😂 but I am fair and have Jordan for that. I understand either or, just like how I understand LeBron over Jordan

[@fobinc]

Lost me at Lebron over Jordan. One guy didn't team hop, talk down teammates while taking credit, and actually lets coaches do their job.

[@WillOfBleach]

It’s still hilarious because Steph still brings the ball up the floor and gets assists. The fact that he’s extraordinarily above everyone else on his squad when it comes to shooting/scoring shouldn’t be treated as a negative to keep him out of specific convos 😂

[@yesh2k814]

There are only 8 rookie games in history where the player has had 29pts, 10 assists, 5 rbs, on 70% true shooting. Steph has 4, MJ has 2, and Caitlin Clark also has 2. He came in dishing out assists, but as you said, he changed his role to help the team, and to stop Draymond being a cone on offence.

[@Darthvador44]

Well said man. I really think those with a low basketball iQ really can’t grasp Curry’s greatness over Magic and Lebron. They are driven by stats that can be miss leading at times and some individual achievements they may have over him. The ability for your star to as dangerous as Curry is without ball opens things up for him and his teammates. Mostly important, you not wasting a double team or trap on someone without the ball.

[@RyuBlaze24]

its Steph.......

[@stephenwade1244]

If curry won in 2016 I don’t think this would be a debate at all

[@GodSon91]

But he didn’t lol cried went got KD to help no KD he’ll be the dude who lost 3-1 cried and cavs repeat 😂😂😂😂

[@isaiahthomas4444]

Magic is better to me cuz he and Steph have a WHOLE HOF career in-between them and Steph isn't gonna win again so that gap isn't gonna close. Being #2 isn't some horrendous title😂

[@djadondaman17]

Coming to the best player in the nba as a rookie is one hell of an advantage

[@bradentucker4854]

@@djadondaman17yes but magic still took home that finals mvp when Kareem went down and magic stood up

[@Tryingjoinaclan]

Steph is better to me on what hes done with his size ALONE.

[@bradentucker4854]

@@Tryingjoinaclan then what is Allen iverson based off of his size to you

[@StoxicVon]

@@bradentucker4854Steph has 2 MVPs and 4 rings

[@Aegis_Crimson]

I consider a player as whatever position they are most often listed as. Teams have different needs at all positions and in different systems.

[@tashrif46]

Magic Johnson is number 1, Steph Curry is Number 2. Thats it

[@jamiethorpe5431]

Ty. I’ve tried to get my friends to this. Steph is a PG. he controls the offense through his movement and shooting

[@og_mante5138]

Steph Curry is the greatest point guard to ever play like a shooting guard.

[@patrick05Morgan]

Magic Johnson played his first 4 seasons and won his first two championships at shooting guard deferring to Norm Nixon.

[@Slow-Rolling]

Allen Iverson

[@patrick05Morgan]

@@Slow-Rolling his game never translated on a championship level

[@zVlayy]

Delusional

[@Hooper_Edits10]

magic is like if kevin durant were to play point guard bro

[@ballislifedadecounty]

Basketball has more postions now , steph is the best combo gaurd ever.

[@bmac6165]

BRILLIANTLY SAID!!!! I completely agree!!! I just spent three hours of my life debunking in the comment section on another KZbin channel called @mandownsports making the exact same argument in favor of Curry’s career as you did. The bottom line is, Curry is so great at what he does til it changed the way we play basketball on all levels in every country!!! So much so that centers now want to stretch the floor and shoot three’s like a two guard or small forward. I literally just made the same argument exactly the way you said it.

[@GhostriderBA877]

It’s Magic

[@drizzyzay21]

For Nick right… (the LeBron Defender) to bring up accolades is nasty work

[@pr1nt692]

Magic was just tall, playing against mid players and couldnt even shoot😂 Just got on a great team and his playstyle was a good fit

[@cloud._266]

This is crazy disrespectful 😂

[@djadondaman17]

That 9x all nba without context looks historic when u realize his comp was zeke now imagine having to fight prime russ cp3 Luka and sga for all nba 1st team. He will have the same amount as steph. Magic can't beat a 31 pt trip dub season or 29 9 9 from Luka or 31 6 from sga every yr

[@TellHerNothing]

He’d get the same number if not better in today’s era on any team, probably less championships but magic would cook today.

[@Tryingjoinaclan]

@@TellHerNothing he played against nobody and had kareem and was double stephs height. Lol he would be Ben Simmons in this era

[@StoxicVon]

@@TellHerNothing He couldn’t shoot he’d get smoked in todays NBA

[@ynk-ike]

The playstyle argument is so irrelevant. Magic played pg,c and pf throughout his career and he took hook shots like a big so it’s useless to bring this up in this debate.

[@juliothom2408]

I hear your point about Magic going to a better team and playing in a far weaker conference when comparing him to Steph. But, you need to keep that same energy comparing Magic to Bird. I don’t ever see people factoring in that Bird didn’t have Kareem and Worthy level help on his team and that he had to go through the toughest conference ever (IMO), the 80s East just to get a chance to play the Lakers. Be consistent. If you hold Magic’s conference against him for Steph, then obviously Larry was better than Magic, despite Magic having more Rings.

[@bboywolf]

Consistency is not LOWs forte

[@zVlayy]

​@@bboywolf Like I said almost every comment 😂😂😂😂☠️

[@tk78junior64]

But Larry had a lot of help too

[@juliothom2408]

@@tk78junior64 Not compared to Magic. Especially since he had to go through a stacked Philly team, the Bad Boys, and Young MJ just to get to the Finals. Larry went to the ECF as a rookie without Parish or McHale, and won in year 2 when McHale was a rookie. Magic had the League MVP and Top 3 GOAT candidate from Day 1. Pat Riley > any coach Bird ever had and that West was pathetic. The Lakers had a cakewalk to the Finals that entire decade.

[@tk78junior64]

@@juliothom2408 Well I agree I was just saying the difference in help was not crazy big

[@PennyLane-n4u]

You speak very intelligently and know your stuff! Love your videos ❤️

[@rubinallen1055]

Magic is the greatest point guard of all time

[@qiaoji1675]

honestly, nobody acknowledges and elaborates on nuances like that. ez sub

[@MmaMadman85]

If Steph isn't a PG because he shoots the ball, Magic isn't a PG because he was 6'9. He was a forward with playmaking skills.

[@dariusewing6962]

U must not have watched him .....Magic is a PG -most of the time he was guarded by PGs sorry bro not true!!! he would guard SFs and Bfs tho

[@fabriceuwihirwe2086]

Love your nuanced takes LOW, appreciate the levelheaded approaches. hope you’re not too discouraged when the comments get wild, you’re doing an amazing job and i look forward to your vids 🙂‍↕️

[@upyall]

Steph is not a traditional pg. He does not guard the point, and he does not initiate offense. He is just short, not a pg. Non basketball players don't understand this

[@roronoaDzoro1111]

did magic guard the point when he played???

[@djadondaman17]

What does initiate the offense mean? Get everyone in to position? He does that offball. Getting his teammates open he does that offball and on ball. Just because u like ball pounders not being aggressive doesn't mean steph isn't a pg

[@undertakerblaise256]

Ngl, this an L take. Steph is one of the only player that initiates offense without dribbling a ball. I’ve noticed in life when people view something that is unorthodox regardless if it’s sports or whatever, so many naturally don’t accept it simply because of what they’re used to.

[@tyyylenolpm]

Then Kobe and mj are power forwards or centers, draymond Is a point guard, jokic is a point guard too then huh?

[@_kengi]

True. Shout out Domantas Sabonis, my team's All-NBA point guard.

[@Madvillainy48]

At the end of the day, there's only 3 defined positions atp. Guard, Forward, Center. All of the elite guards can score at a high level and wings will change from SF and PF depending on the lineups.

[@michaelharris1254]

Steph could play in the 80s .. same skill set . Add nothing take nothing . But if u put Magic in the 2020s same skillset . Add nothing. Take nothing . Magic would be worse than Ben Simmons but Ben is taller , faster , better defense , same passer . Get it

[@ghost4thaghost941]

Best comment ever

[@michaelharris1254]

@@ghost4thaghost941 simple math lol

[@baseupp12]

Same passer is crazy

[@michaelharris1254]

@@baseupp12 18/8/7 for Magic 🪄 and 14/8/7 for Been for his career ..

[@fobinc]

No way Ben is the better passer lol. I also think Magic is stronger than Ben. Rest are fair points.

[@Anonymityfan]

I remember in 2016 when Steoh and Klay shrunk in the game 7 finals and Kyrie was the only one to make the shot when the game was tied.

[@theprocessss]

Curry is not better than Magic all time. Please go look at their accolades. Curry isn’t that close. Recency bias is a hell of a drug

[@SimplyyKevv]

“Please go look at their accolades “ did you not watch the video

[@Da_Summersoldier]

Also accolades aren’t the only thing that should be took into consideration when calling someone better all time. Isn’t close is where the hell of a drug comes in

[@chris.48]

Who’s the better player accolades aside tho? That’s what we talking about not what they won. Put Steph in that era and he’s the goat

[@keely-lornekirby7370]

Talk about accolades, talk about Big shot Bob…. Has far more rings than 99.99 percent of the league and is never mentioned in the top anything…. That’s why we don’t judge solely off accolades

[@JohnBoy84]

Nostalgic Bias is a hell of a drug too

[@stackntax1308]

My two problems is that magic was magic since day 1!!! Steph was Stephen curry for about 3-4 years and curry went to that next level when Kerr came in and took him off the ball

[@DionysiusM]

Boy oh boy, I want to see you on those shows where someone has another delusional hot take and you dissect their "take" with this same energy. You'd be gold on that show. Great videos bro! The moment you have roles, as in basketball, you can't have 1 guy calling the shots. It's way too predictable. Way harder to defend if you have players who initially are x-role, but become hybrids. It's insanely hard to predict, defend and anti-strat team with multiple hybrids compared to a team where every player plays one role.

[@chuckg9731]

So… you used the term playmaker. If I used that term in football. What would be the first position it most likely would apply to? Quarterback? Same with the NBA. It would apply to a point guard. That is what defines the position. And that’s what people are saying. So your point is moot. You said it yourself. You think Steph is a better player. That doesn’t mean he’s a better point guard. Although, I don’t think he a better player. Especially all around. I think Justin Fields is a better football player than Kirk Cousins. That doesn’t make him a better quarterback.

[@5lim.0]

Allen Iverson gets none of the hate Steph Curry does. AI did not care shot setting up an offense or his teammates. Bro was a walking bucket and we still call him a point guard

[@dweazy_wade6578]

Poor argument because Lebron has always been a PG but because of his size he’s always been pigeon holed into the SF.

[@manidk1508]

I think magic has more titles and stats but there is a argument for sure its not just magic or curry. Magic is all around player and curry is a heavy offensive anchor.

[@soleil3gs]

Very well done video. All due respect to Magic cause he is an all time great, there’s no chance he is a better player than Steph curry

[@Thedeso18]

We call him a PG because he’s listed as a PG. 💀 Steph has literally started every game of his career as a PG. Saying his skill set makes him incapable of being a PG is asinine! Him playing off the ball is part his SKILLSET “greatest off ball player in NBA history”. Not having him off ball in offensive schemes would be doing your team a disservice. His play style is also product of warriors basketball and playing with a point forward in Dray. If Steph was on any other team “besides a team with CP3 or Lebron “ he would def have a more ball dominant type roll as point.

[@chuckg9731]

Watching this video was like watching an exercise in cognitive dissonance and willful ignorance. Every point or example you pointed out actually worked against your argument. All you have to do is apply it in the opposite fashion and you’ll see.