The Story and Philosophy Behind the Sith Rule of 2

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[e-mail] Donate to Help Improve Frequency and Quality of Content: / user In this video we discuss the rule of two and what exactly makes it so crucial to the survival of the sith. We also discuss how it all started and what inspired the creation of the Rule of Two. What do you guys think about the rule of two and what do you think is the most interesting aspect of it. Leave all of your thoughts in the comments below. May the force be with you!
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[@undead4500]

"Choose someone as a successor and you will inevitably be succeeded. Choose someone hungrier and you will be devoured. Choose someone quicker and you won't dodge the blade at your back. Choose someone with more patience and you won't block the blade at your throat. Choose someone more devious and you'll hold the blade that kills you. Choose someone more clever and you'll never know your end. Despite these cautions, an apprentice is essential. A Master without an apprentice is a Master of nothing."----Darth Sidious.

[@tron5060]

+undead4500 Yet he got his ass kicked by an apprentice who had some light in him. If the Sith instead used the force like the eternal empire (SWTOR/non-canon) and had the same goals. They would've survived.

[@undead4500]

+SpartanE7 i honestly don't give a crap about "eternal empire" i thought they were awful just in my opinion.

[@tron5060]

undead4500 Still, they made a lot of sense.....and they had waffles....

[@fryliver4953]

+undead4500 BRILLIANT

[@shadeofshattered3]

Choose an apprentice more stronger and you will be overpowered

[@Iriscience]

I love that you gave credit to Revan for the original idea. A lot of people would only like to credit Bane

[@thekinkypinkies7437]

Spealing of guys who don't get enough credit

[@FoolishPrince]

You are mistaken. Revan did not create the rule, nor did he give Bane the idea. All Revan stated was that each master should only have one apprentice, and any master having more than one is a fool. He also said there should only be one Dark Lord of the Sith to rule over all the others and when he is weak than he is to be replaced. Darth Bane was INSPIRED by this teaching and personally had the thought of making it where the Sith only numbered one; he quickly dismissed the idea and then decided to make it where the Sith only number two.

[@Iriscience]

NorthcuttCharles Yeah the rule of two is definately Bane's creation, what i meant to say was that it's good that people give credit to Revan for the inspiration.

[@drxshock6957]

oh please. not you....

[@dutchduk3342]

Dude revan is fucking awesome of course he would do it

[@AmericanJokerman]

"Yo dawg, I herd you're tryna stop infighting between Sith, so I made a rule that means all the Sith have to infight so there's only one Sith left that takes an apprentice so that the apprentice can infight the master so that there won't be any infighting between the Sith."

[@finemperor3694]

Bane and Revan are literally the coolest sith ever.

[@amb3513]

what about Darth Jar Jar

[@finemperor3694]

Antonio Cortes Malak is such a bitch. Nihilius is pretty cool too

[@paulpowell9533]

Im going to add Darth Malgus because not only did he make respirators a trend for someone else years after. Darth Malgus killed his master for just being wounded by a Jedi. Darth Malgus attacked the Jedi Temple and massacred the Jedi.

[@MaskedRider_FAIZ]

Although the more common star wars fan would easily believe Vader is the coolest but well I personally won't judge. The deep lore world of Star Wars is not for every fan of the franchise.

[@monmonkey7029]

@DJShogunArmani It is the name of the true Sith you've only forgotten!

[@ElohimPenemue]

I wish they would make movies about the entire Sith origin. Even if it's not a major motion picture, I would be happy with just an animated versions of this whole story as a movie.

[@sonicbralaunik9671]

Well, the sith were actually a race and not a term for the dark side of the force.

[@hk-47droid64]

You mean the pure blood Sith on Korriban?

[@sonicbralaunik9671]

Yeah the pure-bloods

[@ElohimPenemue]

+Super Sanik You know what I meant! Lol...

[@quintonfoote755]

You guys might enjoy this! kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4PbfIuke515bJo

[@andrei]

It was always unclear to me how there can only be two when in another corner of the galaxy there could be countless master/apprentice duos also calling themselves Sith. But the way I understand it now is that there is just one long line of Sith that can be traced back? Vader being the apprentice of Sidious, who was the apprentice of Plagueis, who was the apprentice of Tenebrous and so forth, right? If so, how far CAN it be traced?

[@gaberivera8845]

+Andrei Terbea Up to Bane and Zahnnah...

[@kuif234]

Till Bane and Zannah. It is 1000 years of the Rule of Two

[@Harrison_801]

Watch Starwars Explained video that explains all legend history. And by the way, there can be more than two dark side users but not with lords... I guess... lol

[@ComanderScar]

+Andrei Terbea It started with Darth Bane, then Darth Zannah, then Darth Cognus, and on, and on, until Darth Tenebrous, Darth Plagueis, and Darth Sidious who is the last master of the Sith, though he had his apprentices who we see in the movies. Darth Maul, Darth Tyrannus, Darth Vader. Before Bane there were countless Sith (kind of like the Jedi) so no real timeline or lineage of Sith before, though you could list several of the leaders of the Sith before the Rule of Two. (like Marka Ragnos, Naga Sadow, Exar Kun, Darth Revan, Darth Malak, etc)

[@andrei]

I see. But is there an exact list of Sith lords between Bane and Tenebrous? And how much of it is canon?

[@taipizzalord4463]

There can only be two. A master and an apprentice. One to embody the power the other to crave it

[@gavinsmith9871]

+TAIPIZZALORD the rule of two...

[@user-zm1rq6xj9v]

Just like relationships xD

[@emperorpalpatine3161]

Charles C Did you just respond to a year-old comment?

[@user-zm1rq6xj9v]

Haha....didn't even look at the time stamp.

[@murebaalgu]

Gotta love that Revan dude. The guy did so much.

[@sonicbralaunik9671]

Everytime someone talks about the canon which should be real, I want to say "Who?" to mess with people.

[@gameandmoviecommunity5757]

the rule of 3 : the Master , the apprentice and the JAR JAR

[@megaknight360james2]

Really 😔

[@bluemanchew]

i agree to the rule of 3. but i kinda like to call it the secret rule of 3, mainly because either usually had a secret apprentice

[@kurtsell8376]

I think the darkness JAR JAR would induce would be too much even for the sith.

[@johnturrentine749]

Mesa Jar Jar Binks Dark Lord of the Sith!

[@mattil2302]

the rule of Disney: Hype -> Fail -> Blame the Fans

[@darthbane1109]

One to embody the power, the other to crave it. One to hold the mantle Dark Lord of the Sith, the other, as the apprentice. As soon as the apprentice learns everything they can from the master, the apprentice will challenge the master for the title of Dark Lord of the Sith. If the master wins, the apprentice was weak and the master will seek out another. If the apprentice wins, the master had grown weak and deserved to die. Remember, peace is a lie, there is only passion.

[@DARTHBLUNT713]

DarthBane exactly

[@darthrevan7539]

Darth Bane, you became very strong and I'm very glad, that someone took something from the teachings and information I left behind

[@splashnskillz37]

The rule of 3 along with other sith assasins was more successful, but the sith completely forgot about it The Master, The Apprentice and The Grand Assasin With other sith assasins craving the 3rd title but also being in a state where they're competitig hardly with themselves, the 3 have complete power over them not being able to overthrow any of them until evolving, eventually being able to take the Grand Assasin's place, the assasin tries to become something more and challanges the apprentice for that title, the apprentice challanges the master to complete power

[@aamirrazak3467]

Through passion I gain strength through strength I gain power through power I gain victory through victory my chains are broken

[@michaelboogi2550]

Through passion I gain strength, through strength I gain power, through power I gain victory, through victory my chains are broken the force shall set me free

[@pbj2847]

No matter what Disney does they can NEVER Extinguish the old canon. It is so awesome and ingrained in our understanding of galactic history. To me it is all true canon!

[@elmerkado]

+PB J In my opinion, as long as fan-made material as this is made, Disney is powerless.

[@craydussy]

This is canon

[@wnrr2696]

Preach

[@jdb8009]

Screw Disney they will find a way to screw this up just leave it alone

[@Kal-El_was_taken]

I've kinda always found the Rule of Two a bit drastic, as if both were to be killed, then a lot of their known skills could be lost to time.

[@Chaotic_Jackal]

Well given how things tend to go for the Sith whenever there are more then two of them, this tends to be a given anyway, as many ancient sith secrets generally had to be sealed away less they end up destroyed to prevent others from learning them.

[@CtisGaming]

Or if the master died before fully training their apprentice, which is a definite possibility when fighting a war against the Jedi. Especially sknce completing your apprentice's training guarantees one of you has to die. So like Palatine, why choose someone who has the potential to beat you, why teach them everything.

[@hunterkiller1440]

I've always thought of the Sith like Samurai. There are two true Sith Lords, a master and an apprentice(Darth Studious and Darth Vader), served by Sith retainers, warriors and assassins (Assajj Centres and Star killer).

[@dmx7280]

Well Star Wars is kind of based of a Samurai movie and in the movie they have to train the villagers to fight and protect the village and there was some references in clones wars and Mandalorian where they do the same thing

[@nurman666]

For me the Jedi represent unity with their force ghosts and ascension to the force, but sith represents survival of the fittest, "the one".

[@therealassassian1048]

Starkiller was Vader's true apprentice not a sith assassin like maul was supposed too be

[@TyrziR6S]

star killer does not fall under that category lol my guy was OP af to say the very least lol

[@thorgunderson1927]

SW I have become addicted to your videos. I watch them every morning and get great new Star Wars knowledge that I never knew before. Some things I knew some things I didn't. As a fan of 35 years just want to say thanx for what you're doing.

[@JoJoSandman]

+The Stupendous Wave Can you do the master of the master. teaching us who trained Plagueis, who trained his master, and who trained that master stopping at the Sith Council just only focusing on rule of two.

[@jasperstephens8555]

+JoMiSa Nobody but George Lucas Knows who trained Plagueis, probably not even Lucas knows who trained him, since it was used as a filler in the plot to tie Palpatine in as the apprentice that Anakin would find out later in the movie ... (Read the 2003 written Script for Revenge of the Sith)

[@foxhound5699]

+Jasper Who'Knows Darth Plagueis was trained by Darth Tenebrous. its quite well known.

[@jasperstephens8555]

Alex Warren Uncanonically.... anyway who the blazes is that!

[@JoJoSandman]

Alex Warren is there a way to find a list of it.

[@kharyrobertson3579]

I am pretty sure that the rule of two was adopted after Revan learned of the prophecy of the chosen one that states that the chosen one will restore "balance" to the force. The rule of two ensures that as long as the Jedi try to spread across the galaxy to protect it, that the chosen one will always choose the dark side since they have purposely kept themselves at numbers and relative power levels less than those of the Jedi. This is proven to be effective when Vader manages to slaughter the VAST majority of Jedi in the universe when he joins the Dark side with only the help of Darth Sidious and the Republic army. This tactic was extra effective because if the Jedi chose to try and counter it by lowering their numbers, the Sith could effectively assassinate the few Jedi and grab control of the galaxy anyway, with or without the chosen one. The infighting of the old Sith order only helped to reinforce Revan's idea that there is no real need for that many Sith lords in the universe, as long as the chosen one chooses the Dark side. Just my thoughts though.

[@jdb8009]

Well said I agree totally

[@ruttsuco.804]

The tango is the sith dance, as it takes 2 to tango

[@sonicbralaunik9671]

Before reading: normal brain After reading: exploded brain

[@solitary2]

Lmfao you right

[@r4m_safetycar1]

Ur right

[@lucidity1]

I perceive the rule of 2 as the greatest flaw of the sith. a solution that may be worse then the problem. the rule of two seemed to apply even before revan and bane. between every sith and their apprentice the core principle already applied. limiting the sith to only one pair is not much of a solution. it prevents infighting between the masters but that is all. under the rule of 2 you never teach your apprentice everything. this is the flaw. once you teach them everything you know you are of no value to them and they will dispose of you. you will withhold knowledge from your apprentice in an act of self-preservation. preferably the most powerful secrets of the force because once your apprentice thinks (s)he knows everything you are willing to teach them they will still dispose of you. that powerful secret is the ace up your sleeve for when they do. every time an apprentice succeeds powerful secrets are lost to the ages. the secrets die whit the masters who take it whit them into the grave. a clear example of this can be seen between Sidious and Plagueis. Plagueis has a technique that allows the force to create life. Sidious slays him and is then unable to recreate his masters work, all that is left is a story to lure Anakin to the darkside. the secret remains lost to the ages. Plagueis took it whit him to the grave.

[@jeohhn5991]

Didn’t sidious technically create life with anakin, cause he used the force to make anakin

[@lucidity1]

@@jeohhn5991 didn't he do that with Plagueis? It seems to me like Plagueis did not fully reveal the secret to Sidious. Sidious seems to know bits and pieces but he and Anakin still needed to figure out the complete process.

[@the_headless_horseman9682]

I like Revans version a bit more, only cause it seems more fun when there's both more SIth and Jedi

[@starfthegreat]

I think that another reason Sith Lords take an apprentice is their desire to exercise the power they have accumulated. Through their study of the Dark Side, Sith Lords would have acquired an immense amount of power which they would then want to use on someone, and possibly gain some form of pleasure out of it.

[@wolfgod6443]

What I love about Revan's version the the rule of two before Bane is how he only used sith acolytes as a means to lower Jedi recruitment, but treated them like dirt and left them starved so he could horde power for the only two true Sith Lords, himself and Malak. It was a brilliant combination of the true rule of the sith but still having a decent army at his disposal. It's one of my favorite aspect of the rule of two because it feels so mystical with so many dark Jedi calling themselves sith until you see the true lords and know that there was always only two. I'm really glad Dooku and Sidious carried Revan's legacy with the agents and Inquisitors.

[@The_Destroyer_1]

Fuck the Force Awakens! I want an old Republic trilogy!

[@CassandraPantaristi]

Yeah I would like to see Darth Nihilus on screen.

[@Karl_Drogo55]

I would def enjoy more dark side in these new movies

[@whippersnapper7632]

Alexander Evensen All the ancient Sith Lord and such, that needs to be a thing, especially since Revan is now canon

[@bobirobi2081]

Kaparas Kaparavičius From when

[@whippersnapper7632]

Something about there being a conversation of the KOTOR things in Rebels.

[@ZeStreD]

It kind of sucks that for thousands of years the Rule of Two was slowly but surely accruing stronger dark lords and then when it reached culmination all that investment only lasted 20 years......Just saying, Bane must be rolling over in his grave.

[@robdogs3641]

If I was him I'd be pretty pissed .-.

[@dylangraham1503]

20 years can go a long way enough though it ended it still was a massive victory due to the small numbers of the jedi.

[@khalduras784]

well palpatine did began cheating the rule of 2

[@lazava5150]

Well they technically achieved their goal of wiping out the Jedi Order and controlling the galaxy. It's kind of ironic that they also brought about their own destruction. Plagueis being overly ambitious created the being that would ultimately destroy them.

[@davecullins1606]

It didn't count in the fact that either the master or the apprentice *could* turn to the light for some reason and overthrow the other.

[@NewAlchemychan]

I would love to see a Darth Bane Spin Off Movie or Any Sith Spin Off Movie!

[@addisonlewis723]

I would love to see a Darth Bane movie too.

[@dzubmariner]

+Addison Lewis Bane needs a tv series. 3 seasons. 1 season per trilogy book

[@aamirrazak3467]

A Darth bane movie trilogy would be great

[@varlunmulland3992]

Wow, I absolutely loved this video! I'm already a HUGE Star Wars fan, but this just increased my love for it that much more. Wonderful!

[@TevyaSmolka]

great video man on the sith rule of two

[@TheStupendousWave]

+Tevya Smolka Thanks!

[@lochlanarnold323]

+The Stupendous Wave Your such a good star wars youtuber

[@TevyaSmolka]

The Stupendous Wave anytime man

[@Rodan727]

+The Stupendous Wave Did you hear that there is a dinosaur hybrid competition coming for jurassic world 2 you should do a discussion for hybrids from jp chaos effect for jurassic world 2 becasuse alot of people are saying that those are coming to the movie.

[@TevyaSmolka]

***** ok

[@MarcMagma]

I do like many Sith Lords more than just two but the Rule of Two makes a lot more sense.

[@quizeekimo]

Very informative, so glad your channel exists!

[@alanchadbone7834]

My favourite Sith of the rule of two is strangely Darth Zannah . This is due to her manipulation of the Jedi to convince them that they had killed the last Sith. Pure genius and the sith would never have been unopposed for decades without this fact. I would love to learn more about the apprentice that Zannah took on and how she helped the grand plan.

[@halfdangrafeldt7239]

Still really dislike the idea that the sith are gone just because Sidious and Vader died. What is there to stop some new dark side user from adopting the Sith ideology? Sith holocrons are canon so they could seek out one of those or they could go to Korriban (can't recall the silly new canon name) and seek out ancient knowledge there. I hope they either revive the Sith or somehow clarify why new Sith can't rise because I find the current "The Sith ended with Vader killing Sidious." explanation extremely unsatisfying.

[@tengkualiff]

In canon, we only know that kylo is a dark jedi and snoke is just a figure. He might however, transition to become a true sith once he obtains the holocrons and sith knowledge. hopefully making his own sith ideology.

[@halfdangrafeldt7239]

That's what I'm hoping as well. I strongly believe that the statement that the sith are gone was not meant as a permanent statement. I would like to see a return to the old republic non canon type of Sith... Or something similar. Not in the sense that I want to see hundreds of sith and jedi battling, I think that could get a bit old a bit too fast. But maybe a more collectivist twist to this new sith ideology, it would fit well with the more collectivist vibes the First Order is giving off. But yes, it would be a shame to just let the Sith order die... Especially now that there's a chance for writers to flesh out sith history and heritage all over again after the old canon was removed.

[@tengkualiff]

personally i dont mind the stories to be twisted but the names of revan and bane had left a legacy on the sith history. It would be a shame if they removed some Sith Lords and Planets and completely changed the whole thing. I would mind parts of it that are changed but Korriban and stuff is stuck on me.

[@halfdangrafeldt7239]

+Tengku Aliff If nothing else... Making Revan canon again, even with a somewhat changed backstory, would be fantastic and easy fan service. Basically it would be crazy of them not to bring him back. But yeah, I can't see them just leaving the Sith dead. Some of the EU is a treasure trove of possibilities to flesh out the Sith more for your average more casual Star Wars fan in upcoming films. I think Kylo Ren's training in the next would be an excellent opportunity for the audience to hear Snoke tell Kylo about Sith legends, regardless if Snoke is a Sith or not. Also Revan would be a natural role model for Kylo considering the whole light side and dark side thing... which would also fit with the idea of Vader/Anakin's spirit still being torn between the two whereas Revan managed to master them both... So if Snoke wants to see Kylo reach his fullest potential as a force user, telling him of a grey Sith(for lack of better words... or grey Jedi but that doesn't feel quite right) would make sense. Additionally I think a new official canon for Revan would be less clear cut between dark and light like it was in the games... it feels more likely they'll have him walk a middle path and if they do what I propose he would need to keep identifying as a Sith.

[@halfdangrafeldt7239]

@gm red pop not anymore he isn't, Disney pretty much retconned that the moment they brought Sidious back and had Rey kill him and "all the sith".

[@dandragon8595]

"One to embody power, the other to crave it." Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. "I am Dark Shadow, last of the Sith, the embodiment of the force and the dark side given form."

[@Blazeblitz9000]

I knew about this already, but you explained it very well :)

[@thegamingkitchen8429]

we need to promote channels like this and let the drama ones fall the waste side. this guy puts all his effort into making his videos and leaving it at that.

[@aviyudkowsky4639]

I've got a great theory for you to consider in another video: the rule of two applies not just to the dark side, but the light as well. If the Sith become stronger when fewer in number, than the Emperor's biggest weakness of overconfidence is twofold because with the passing of Yoda and Obi Wan, Luke could tap into an extraordinary amount of power as the sole Light Side user in the entire galaxy. That is why Luke could rival Vader and Sidious despite having far fewer years of training. He had all the power of the Light Side of the force all to himself. But hey, that's just a theory. Lemme know what you think!

[@michaelboogi2550]

Completely agree

[@mirofski1280]

one thing i want explained : who were the ABSOLUTE FIRST sith and jedi were they cavemen with the force or was the force discovered after a technological boom in the universe

[@M0lina2300]

Ikr

[@Nelekmaar]

+Assblasting bitchaloid Well, depends if you want the EU explanation or the canon one, which i don't believe exists for now.

[@mirofski1280]

+liquidLaClasse just any answer would be fine

[@mirofski1280]

+liquidLaClasse or a theory?

[@Squantanamo]

monks on tython. the sith were exiled jedi who fled to korriban and interbred with the native race, the sith. sith is both a race and ideology

[@kal0247]

Great video, very well done, kudos my friend! Bane!!!!!!

[@chrisdafa]

Awesome video as always

[@VerdantJedi]

Amen !

[@SylarMagic]

Bane is probably my favourite, the bane trilogy is amazing

[@heichun1999]

Awesome work!!!

[@jakovbencic7821]

Grate video mate!

[@sleepymv611]

I would love to see you on collider Jedi council one day. They know who you are. Have they ever reached out?

[@iSteelRazorBladeGAMING]

*This is why it makes so much sense for Snoke to be a former Sith Lord such as Darth Bane of Plagueis. Plagueis, after faking his death, oversees the failure of the rule of two throughout the rise and fall of the empire, after his own apprentice "Sidious," attempted to kill him, and Vader killed sidious. Therefore he created the Knights of Ren, a more civilised and less power hungry order than the sith. By renaming himself "Snoke," he officially abandons the sith.*

[@dionr1168]

Plagueis was recently ruled out as Snoke's identity by a storywriting source within LucasFilm via Twitter.

[@iSteelRazorBladeGAMING]

***** Could you link me to the tweet?

[@dionr1168]

SteelRazorBlade // AdamSRB twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/729446270868168704

[@iSteelRazorBladeGAMING]

***** Man that Twitter conversation really pissed me off. All Pablo had to say was "Snoke is not Plagueis," yet repeatedly after being questioned so many times he still doesn't say it. So basically Plagueis is dead, got it. But I just still wish Pablo had said "Snoke isn't Plagueis," that way no more fan theories would be popping up because it's kind of ridiculous.

[@marcdonner785]

I love the Old Republic content you put out, especially when you discuss Darth Bane and Revan. It would be nice to see more of Drew Karpyshyn's influence in the New films and expanded universe.

[@fives4332]

i teach so much star wars stuff from you thanks! :D

[@XalenMaru]

From a tactical standpoint it makes sense, as only the most powerful carry the Sith mantle forward. However, I've always felt it hamstrings creativity from a writing standpoint. That's what I love about the TOR era; so many different Sith clashing with the Jedi. Rule of Two era clashes between Sith & Jedi are a lot less interesting, IMHO.

[@alphamegazulu6654]

+Xalen Maru I've always wondered what would happen if one of the Sith masters were to die of natural causes before they could properly train a padawan. I guess Bye Bye Sith order. The Rule of 2 has always been extremely flawed. But, then, again so have the Jedi. Maybe the Sith need to invest in a Rule of around 7 or 8? Just in case... Lol

[@a.o.skurtt]

>2 sith left in the universe > Star ship crashes > Awww damn 😩

[@thewhitewolf3089]

Great video. Could you do a video on what would happen if the Empire defeated the Rebels, if you haven't already?

[@darthbehfans7437]

+Adam Fitzpatrick New canon, either Vader finds a new apprentice (Luke)and defeats Palpatine, or Palpatine recruited Luke and takes Vader's place. Old canon, Palpatine achieved immortality with the clones of himself. Then, A'shaad Hutt (later Darth Krayt) comes for vengeance of the Jedi Order, and then Vong's invasion (but largely possible be defeated instantly by the death star)

[@corbittscorner]

Free kekistan

[@charles198025]

Loved this storyline. The video does it justice.

[@charliepomper3808]

okay that makes sense nice vid that always confuzzled me

[@Harleylover14]

Three questions: 1. Does this mean either Maul or Dooku was not a true Sith? 2. What about Dooku's apprentices? 3. What was the plan for Luke?

[@robk1990]

Harleylover14 Maul & Dooku where true Sith, they where given the title of "Darth" which is the same as a Jedi being given the title of knight or master. Dooku's apprentices aren't true Sith. More like acolytes & assassins. The plan for Luke was to be the eventual successor of Sidious. Being the child of Vader & Anakin (they are two beings in one) he was the strongest Force sensitive being saved Sidious himself and would have been the perfect apprentice & successor; hence why Sidious told him to kill Vader & take his place as the apprentice

[@Harleylover14]

robk1990 Makes sense, but how long after Maul's death did Sidious take Dooku as his apprentice?

[@robk1990]

Not sure, at least within 10 years. One of the many problems with how the prequels where written was with the time gaps and the events that happen between the movies, they aren’t addressed and leave your head scratching.

[@6611nitro]

In the order asked, Maul and Dooku were a cheat to the rule. The idea was that one would eventually kill the other and become the true apprentice or both would be killed by Anakin and replaced. Neither one had the full teachings, same with general grievous, so he didn't technically violate the rule. This ties in with my second point but suffice it to say without the full teachings you aren't a true Sith. Dooku's apprentices like Dooku himself never gained the full Sith teachings and served only as dark side force users. The differences is that by learning the teachings of the true Sith a dark side user becomes aware of certain details they could not have fathomed before, the concept of immortality, the accoutrements of power on a grand scale, and of course galactic domination. They were strong for sure but they were small minded and focused so much on hate and personal power they couldn't see the bigger picture. Luke was supposed to kill Darth Vader and become the new apprentice. See Darth Vaders body was so screwed up he could never become a true master, it's buried somewhere in the expanded lore but once your more then 50% machine your true potential with the force is locked. Like Vader you might still be obscenely powerful but there are now limitations to your personal connection to the force that can't be overcome normally. With Luke he had the same potential as Vader did before he got f-cked up in that fight on Mustafar so he was the perfect replacement.

[@Harleylover14]

We'll put.

[@Kalenz1234]

No the Sith did not want the galaxy to be engulfed by darkness. They want to have complete power and control and shape galaxy and society as they see fit. The dark side of the force is a means to an end not the destination itself.

[@sl1138utube]

+Kalenz That's an interesting point. I wonder what that destination would look like. In a perfect win scenario for Sidious or other Sith lords, what would the future of the Dark Side have become in the galaxy? Do you think they would reject the Force altogether once absolute power was instated? I'm not sure I think they would do that, but hey it's all conjecture so I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

[@mrblank-zh1xy]

+Kalenz Yeah, this is a point often left misunderstood. The prequels overplay the concept of the Sith as an absolute evil. If the Sith represented total chaos and destruction, they would not have built stable empires that last millennia. The Sith worship order and control, they more represent an anti-democratic, totalitarian philosophy of aggregation of knowledge and power rather than an "evil." Many Sith are "evil" because of the craving of power.

[@junetalon8796]

+sl1138utube Look at the Empire of Zakuul, a former Dark Lord of the Sith formed a nearly perfect society.

[@kennywnorthkennorth6579]

+Kalenz the ends do not judtify the means

[@Kalenz1234]

Kennywnorth Ken North Thats your opinion not the fact. And even if it were it doesn´t change the fact that its the way of the Sith. So I dont even know what you even do here ¯\(°_o)/¯

[@viper1676]

Stupendous Wave your channel is awesome I really like your content good job man ! If you can do if papatin died in episode 3

[@majorleaguegamers9810]

Awsome video!

[@cryptidkeyper4466]

lol darth bane looked like fucking Goldust in half those pictures

[@blazebrown6688]

Goldust was created before Bane so yes.

[@risingofthethorn1197]

there is one Overwhelming problem with the rule of two is that it's based on the assumption that the master would never die. I know Bane used the snake anthology, but it seems like the rule of would be like if you filled a cup 75% of the time and disposed the rest and then repeat the process. Before too long, so much knowledge is lost, it is minute. in order for the rule of two to work, you have to assume that the reason the touch is passed is because your apprentice has surpassed you. The Reality is sometimes 1.people get lucky (as we see with Galen and the star-killer clone when they fought Darth Vader, or 2. They cheat. (As we see with Palpatine) I'd argue that the Sith are inherently and inevitable unsustainable because power is an ends for them, and it will never end it's a consuming ideology and when you consume everything with no other purpose, it will eventually get to the point where you consume yourself. Really the only time the Sith have been partly sustainable is with the Sith empire. Honestly I think if the Sith Wish to be sustainable, they'd have to adopt a culture similar to the mandolorian code.

[@oscarhawkley]

this had been a major issue but there is force wraith which allows communication post death (like a dark force ghost) masters passed all their knowledge on after death.

[@tylerw6053]

+The Stupendous Wave you have been an inspiration to me and ive learned so much more about the star wars universe because of that. I really enjoy the old republic lore, What time period would you say is your favorite? and it would be cool if you could do some podcasts with fans? id love to sit and idle chat about the star wars universe with some of you guys!?

[@bryanlewis1969]

This is actually quite brilliant.

[@mysteriousmistere3641]

darth zannah is my favorite rule of two era sith lord.

[@fatdaddyeddiejr]

+Editj J.E I want an action figure of Darth Zannah to go with the other Sith Lords.

[@mysteriousmistere3641]

that would be sick to have.

[@fatdaddyeddiejr]

+Editj J.E It would fit perfectly next to the Darth Bane, Darth Krayt and Darth Plagueis action figures. And in the books. Zannah was athletic petite woman. So this petite woman killed a very physically strong Sith Lord to become the Sith Master. Had she not done that. Then the rule of two would never had made it.

[@mysteriousmistere3641]

Darth bane actually try to replace her and that was the moment she stuck him down. Which I think is awesome how she put him into a state of ease then took down Darth bane.

[@fatdaddyeddiejr]

+Editj J.E Bane thought that Zannah was going to wait until he died to take the title of Sith Master from him. So he sent her on a mission. While Bane went on his own mission to find immortality and a new apprentice to train. Little did Bane know that Zannah had already had learned everything from Bane. And she was telling herself that this was the last mission she was going to do for her Master. Because when she returned from the mission. Zannah was going to face her Bane and kill him. I would love to see a movie about Darth Bane and Darth Zannah. It would be a nice dark film. And show people how the Rule of Two started.

[@stuartdoesstuff4086]

I think the rule of two is the best thing to happen to the Sith

[@jasonleslie203]

I agree but as we all know no form of philosophy is without inherit flaws or set backs

[@PhantomRedKnight]

The Rule of Two guarantees that each master will be more powerful than the one who came before. It culls the weak. Good for the Sith as a whole, but not so great if you're the one getting culled.

[@x8Ball]

please make more of these, they are like actual history classes for me XD

[@jordandavies2175]

The rule of two was a brilliant and essential philosophy for the Sith. The method of the student destroying the master in order to transcend them not only shows how effective they all were at teaching the Dark Side, but also in choosing worthy apprentices to whom they could pass on their knowledge. The Sith leave selfish, prideful lives, dedicated to the pursuit of power yet, almost ironically, a Master's last acts as Dark Lord is entirely selfless to the Sith Order. A Dark Lord of the Sith must constantly and selflessly pass his knowledge and power onto his apprentice, even though they know it would result in their eventual death. The idea of all of this accumulating in Palpatine and finally Anikan just makes them all the more fascinating as characters. Thanks for the video!

[@ocadioan]

The Rule of Two seems far too prone to accidentally wiping out the Sith Order completely, or at the very least, losing massive amounts of knowledge along the way. It ultimately doesn't focus on anything other than one-on-one combat, as everything else is irrelevant to succeeding the Master. That means that plenty of non-one-on-one-combat knowledge could be lost with every iteration. Not to mention what would happen if the Master and apprentice were on a ship that accidentally exploded. Plus, you say it was a success, but given the 1000 years it took to achieve galaxy conquest for 2 decades, I would argue that pre-Rule of Two Sith were far more successful. Not to mention that when push came to shove, the Sith that had ended up after 1000 years of Rule of Two were only barely better than the Jedi that had basically had no major opposition for that millenia. Now, if I was to design my own system, it would be the Rule of 2nd Order. Basically, there is 1 master at the top, which has two apprentices. When the master deems them ready, they can take two apprentices of their own, and so forth it goes. Whenever an apprentice wishes to advance a rank, they must first duel and kill the other apprentice, and then their master, who is to always tell his master what his apprentices have not yet been properly taught in(to make sure that nothing is lost upon advancement). When an apprentice wins over his master, his apprentices must duel the apprentices of the other apprentice(slain earlier) for the right to be the new two apprentices, and if they have apprentices, the same applies to them. The same system applies if the apprentice loses the duel against the other apprentice or against his master. This system has the benefits of providing the Sith with as many levels of apprentices as they can hold on to(giving them the ability to not only work in the shadows), and provides for a clear cut advancement policy that always makes sure to have spares to ensure the Sith order's survival, even if an event takes out the entire top management.

[@samuelthestranger12]

ocadioan to be fair though the Force always ways balances itself out there could never be the dominant side of the force it will always tend to balance itself out with such as Anakin he brought balance

[@joshuaquinn4201]

ocadioan Read the Darth Bane series and you will be able to tell why that would never ever work. The apprentices would temporarily team up to destroy their master then turn on each other just like they always do and always will. Any master who takes more than one apprentice is destined to fail.

[@phousefilms]

Joshua tells the truth. And Bane even sees the two weaker Sith defeating the Master, then killing one or the other will make the order even weaker.

[@13MakAtak]

Darth Plaguies is the most interesting of the Sith Lords I know of, however, they are all interesting in their own right. I hope the new cannon can explore the Rule Of Two Sith era in more detail. #MakeBaneCannon

[@TheStefannafetS]

Bane is canon, he appeared in The Clone Wars, his holocron at least. Not surr about his books though.

[@woutermouwen6270]

YESSSS finally a video about revan, best sith ever

[@musicsmoviesofficial]

Thanks for making me smile every day with your videos! :)

[@leojean3185]

+Epic Music Movie same

[@harrykinskywalker3349]

You're spamming channels please stop.

[@Blastanker]

Stop spam self advirtising

[@andrecpg8959]

No. He makes them feel good. It's freedom of speach.

[@cuthbertmuckley9773]

+Andre ExoDust speech

[@manuej1083]

Stupendous Wave who's your favorite sith? Love your content bro!

[@TheStupendousWave]

+Manuej I am torn between so many but my top 3 are Bane, Krayt and Sidious.

[@byronvanleeuwen4087]

The Stupendous Wave Would you like to see Kylo Ren killing Snoke and Rename himself Darth and making his own Sith Ren Order?

[@050HAR]

+The Stupendous Wave Do you reckon the story of revan will become canon in some way shape or form?

[@danito20]

+HarleyAR Considering Darth Bane made a cameo appearance in SW:CWs and Bane learned from Revan, I'd say it's somewhat cannon

[@dubiouswatermelon159]

+HarleyAR I REALLY hope it does! If not, I'll probably lose faith in humanity.

[@spencermyers3964]

I love darts bane

[@spencermyers3964]

Darth

[@drxshock6957]

Bane's a dart player?!?!?! xD

[@darthmaul54sith7]

great video

[@Wilfer88]

You show great understandning of the Rule of Two. I was waiting for a mistake, but dident found one. I have read Darth Bane-trilogi to many times to count so it is nice to see others that really grasp what its about. And you did presented it 5 times better than I ever would in under 10min. Some points however. Was longer time between Revan and Bane. Deception, betrayal and cunning was tools of the dark side. Those was less used before Bane. Thats why he went into hiding, instead of building great armies like the sith of old. No mention of Lord Kaan or Brotherhood of Darkness, but okey, not super-relevant. Also, Lumiya did kind of follow Rule of Two, as did Darth Caedus. They where part of the old canon like Darth Krayt. Great video. I would sub if I already havent done it.

[@Arcky-ykcrA]

what if the jedi had adapted the rule two?

[@Yusuf1187]

+Arcky aka. ArchSyker It would turn them into Sith because of the necessity of seeking personal power and limiting cooperation. Or it would just be impossible and nonsensical because it wouldn't fit at all with Jedi ideology. He explained the fundamental differences between the nature of Jedi and Sith, and therefore the reason for the rule of 2 in the video.

[@dionr1168]

I find it ironic that the Jedi used an eerily similar strategy (mainly due to scarcity on their part) to take down the Sith once and for all.

[@minecraftpeplayerpro6783]

well done i never new that

[@mma17addict]

subscribed!

[@joeybaggz3537]

All hail Darth bane, the one true lord of the sith

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

All hail Darth Vader. The 1 true Sith'ari!

[@Quint-fg7zl]

actually, the book of sith says that King Adas was the Sith'ari so, All hail king Adas the Sith'ari

[@logical-functionsmodel9364]

The rule of two is stupid in my opinion. The idea to purge a peoples and keep those peoples at the brink of extermination is far more extreme than tweaking a philosophy. The original purge was necessary, I will agree, but the order should have changed its values to a more self sustaining one. As an example, the peoples could aspire, not for themselves to become the strongest, but to create an ultimate being. A cult with rigorous discipline to subscribe to the ideology of the strongest group, rather than the strongest individual. So like Mandalorians with the force.

[@Wilfer88]

+Logical-Functions Model 93 The big problem is Sith ambitions. Say you have 1 real strong Sith. Then 4 less strong Sith. The less strong want to rule. They combine their strength to overpower the real strong one. Now there are 4 less strong and no real strong. That what Sith ambition, the craving could do. Very hurtfull. The brink of extermations part however. Totally agree, its dangerous. If both did die, then all would be gone, if not someone actually did pick up some stored sith knowledge. Then it could begging again.

[@logical-functionsmodel9364]

Wilfer88 Yeah, but the problem ceases being a problem when you change the mindset of the "Sith". Combining my solution with your example, instead of 5 Sith with an individualistic mindset, you have five acting for the greater good of their group. Basically, they would be a brotherhood that understood their place. The 4 would not unite against the 1 for the 5 of them would be stronger than the 4 of them. Like I said, a change of philosophy, (in my opinion,) would have been better, easier, and cheaper.

[@Wilfer88]

Logical-Functions Model 93 Yes, but the Sith ambition is part of the dark side, it comes natural from it. The "greater good" was exactly what Lord Kaan wanted and that would fail the individual Sith. Darth Bane killed them. The Sith Order is there to uplift the individual, not the other way around.

[@logical-functionsmodel9364]

Wilfer88 Which is where the change of philosophy comes into the discussion. The way that the Sith order would become stronger is if they had focused their energy on changing the philosophy rather than changing their numbers. To compare what they have done, imagine you have a chaotic nation, (like Japan in the Sengoku Jidai,) now Bane's solution would be like saying that since everybody wants power and prestige that we should purge everybody save two to continue the nation. My alternative is to say that we need to purge impurities, but we should allow the nation to come back with rigorous guidelines and focused philosophies. Ambition is a broad and complicated issue. From by brief studies I would say that it comes from a survival compulsion to attain the "best" situation with the minimal energy required. I would think that it would be safe to assume that the reason that ambition is a drive for the Sith is because of how easy it is to gain instant gratification to seeing the progression of their powers. I would say that the easiest sweeping statements of the Jedi and Sith is that they embody two popular survival methods that evolution has given us. Those strategies being, cooperation and competition. However, I must mention that these are philosophies. True, Sith are compelled to ambition, but so are all living organism, (although we experience it in different ways.) My point is that it is the philosophy of the Sith to embrace "darker" emotions (and then realizing that, de facto, having to shun all "lighter" emotions,) not an irresistible urge.

[@Wilfer88]

Logical-Functions Model 93 The philosophy of the Sith could really be one thing, but the nature of the dark side is always persistent. Old ways dident work for the sith, Rule of Two dident really work spott on when it comes to results, Rule of One neither. The point with Rule of Two was to in the best possible way to let philosophy help the individual in the nature of the dark side. You cant stop the infighting of the Sith becouse of the dark side. The old ones, strong in the force, alway falls becouse of it. But with Rule of Two, it is always the weakest one in the force, that die in the infightning.

[@mt.killermaninjago3042]

Awesome!

[@zacharycappiello1264]

good vid keep it up

[@jackwolfe8206]

good video as usual, Stupendous wave. Hey, on an unrelated note, I think I noticed something to look into in Star wars force awakens: In Rey's force vision, we find her younger self crying after a leaving ship, doesnt it look just like Han Solo's freighter in which he used to retrieve the Millineum Falcon? That would tell me Han left her on Jakku. Just a bit of food for thought. Keep up the good work, Wave!

[@seanrobinson4894]

Great video! Do you think there is enough information to make a video about all the known Sith lords under the Rule of Two? I know there are many gaps, but it would be interesting to see the known lineage discussed.

[@calebbuck6767]

I think the rule of two makes perfect sense love your videos stupendous wave

[@arian0091]

the force is strong in this channel

[@drumd00d]

You should do a video on what would have happened if Anakin hadn't saved Obi Wan from Count Dooku's "finishing kill" on Geonosis in the hanger. Like how would the rest of his life carry on if Obi Wan died there. Love the videos btw

[@anddumber2328]

Could you do a video about Dooku? Mainly his life when he was a Jedi. I've always wanted to learn more about him

[@frankludwig4268]

så intressant video

[@trence5]

Given that before the rule of two, the Sith were their own worst enemy, it makes PERFECT sense. You've got to admire the patience of Bane - enacting a plan he had to have known he would not live to see it's fruition.

[@351cleavland]

This is interesting!!!! Please, do one on the orgin/discovery of the Force!!!!!

[@LanzerYT]

Great video! Here is some food for thought. The Rule of Two took 1,000 years to plan with the start of Darth Bane ending with Darth Sidious. It lasted 20 years before both the apprentice and the master were destroyed. I'm not sure the Rule of Two could be called "brilliant."

[@manuelmateo3392]

Sith are so in-effective and self-defeating it's amazing.

[@crysispersists9972]

Could you do more videos on the history of the Sith and Darth Bane. i love that stuff!

[@Fez4277]

Bane and Zannah are my personal fav. But I do like the credit given to Revan in this video

[@decenthumans]

Thanks for explaining! Still not my favorite element of the lore but at least I understand it.

[@robsobi]

I had a friend that told me that the actual reason for the Rule of Two came from the ancient Sith that possess others after their death. So rather than an actual apprentice they were merely creating a vessel powerful enough to contain their dark essence when they needed a new body. But I haven't actually read that in any of the stories I have read or heard about. Did he dream that up on his own?

[@aylix2137]

What he says at 7:30 -ish is so true, and I think that the book ends of the rule of two era held the most powerful Sith (Bane&Sidious) Particularly because it was many years, not until Bane was well past his prime, that zannah dared to challenge him, leading to that slow increase in how powerful the sith needed to be to suffer a bit of a tremor in the early days of the rule of 2

[@Ludsama]

That's an awesomely detailed explanation. I always thought that the Rule of Two stemmed from Darth Bane, and didn't know that Revan originally devised it. Makes sense. If a man could think of such a revolutionary concept that made the Sith so efficient, it's HIM. He was a true genius at understanding people's minds.

[@joshuamccall8599]

Ludsama Revan didn’t create it. The video is wrong

[@jimmymiller5445]

do a video on the rule of one, awesome video by the way...nevermind you covered it

[@ryebread0844]

Sid had Maul, Dooku, and to a certain extent General G all operating in apprenticeship at the same time, no? Love the videos!

[@Burning-Twilight]

+Ryan Wesner "Maul" was basically an assassin, "Grievous" had no force powers he was just a cyborg that could use lightsabers.

[@LordDarthHarry]

+Ryan Wesner Dooku replaced maul when it was tohught he was dead. Grievous was not a force user and was trained by Dooku not sidious anyway. Ventress and Savage were trained to be Jedi killers, nothing more. When Ventress started becomign too powerfull sidious had Dooku kill here (wether or not Dooku wanted to use her to eventualy kill Sidious is debatable).

[@nicholasdurer5010]

whooooo bout time

[@staticmunk7777]

it is very logical to undergo such a strict rule but in doing so they did indeed amplified the next generations powers and cunning like you said like a power cycle that gains power with each rotation, and did kept the sith in line and thus keeping them into existence til the end.

[@daveslyker4431]

Darth Bane is definitely my favourite. He was adamant that Darth Zannah kill him and angry that she refused to challenge him. He cared more about the rule of 2 and the progression of the Sith order than his own preservation. He sacrificed everything for it and his apprentice proved worthy

[@rudydragoo8422]

#Suggestion: The Yuuzhan Vong had used genetically altered bio-mechanical DNA to create armor, weapons and ships. A group of Kaminoans was sent to the Yuuzhan Vong's location to get all of their bio-mechanical technology so that they could alter it to make more stable weapons and technology. Finally they completed their task and set aside a group of clones to experiment on. The Kaminoans created a super set of body armor that was able generate bio-mechanical light sabers grown from the forearms of a humanoid host after the bonding process was complete along with full body armor that would make itself appear to protect the host from any bodily harm or at the host's command. CT 5689 (Hex), CT 2715 (Blackout), CT 4987 (Saber), CT 6612 (Doc), CT 8156 (Hawk), and CT 8693 (Rhino) were troopers that were specially selected for this bio-armor bonding process according to their areas of skill and for the long-term use of them in the future. When their bio-body armor would surface, they each looked like biologic clone troopers (like living clone trooper armor), had light sabers, blasters and various other weaponry grown from their now altered bodies. Then they wanted to retract their armor, it would go back inside their bodies and appear like any other Jango Fett clone. Also their bio-armor became part of their genetic structure and it could be inherited by their descendants. Blackout, Doc, and Rhino left the Imperial army after order 66 because like their other 3 comrades, their new bio-genic armor automatically repaired any abnormality in their bodies which included disintergrating their inhibiter chips, and reduced their aging process 5 times slower than the average human. These three also joined the rebellion almost as soon as it was formed after their defection from the storm troopers. Rhino found a jedi female that was running from the Inquisitors while he was still in the recently renamed storm troopers and he was stricken by her beauty so he called on his bio-armor and used his light sabers and superior combat skills to kill the attacking Inquisitor. Master Teriah Vintus was grateful to Rhino and she and escaped with Blackout and Doc after they succeeded in their battle against the other 3 members of their special commando unit. Saber woke up from his unconsciousness to find the bodies of Hawk and Hex beside him and anger swelled up deep inside him until he let out a blood-curdling cry and wanted revenge against Rhino, Doc and Rhino for turning against his unit. Saber was greatly injured himself and he called out his armor again which began healing him at an accellorated rate then he also left the Storm troopers to exact his revenge on his brothers. A few years later Saber was found by Master Mace Windu who had became a dark jedi that also could wield force-lightning. Mace took Saber as his apprentice and he taught him Vaapod (combat/light saber dueling), shatter point, and all of his other force knowledge including force-lightning. Rhino was taught how to be a jedi by Teriah Vintus (his wife) and they later had a son named: Jango Vintus who after he was 14, his own bio-armor 1st appeared.

[@princesscadance197]

Anyone else think that his description of the Sith before the Rule Of 2 kinda sounded like a group of little kids working together? Them all fighting and nearly destroying one another