The Story of Into the Shadowlands! - Blizzcon 2019 [Lore]

[@Nobbel87]

Hiyo! Update info from the Q&A they did: The jailer is not an entity we're familiar with in the past. It's something new which is super exciting! The contact between it and Sylvanas is related to her dive from the top of icecrown... so not exactly what I had in mind at 2:37 ... still...worth!

[@lolosh99]

Soo basically when she thrown herself from atop of ICC she was judged by the arbiter and went to the same place Arthas went to ? Maybe it was when godfrey killed her ? I guess we ll know soon enough Also on how ICC being an anchor, my theory is that it BECAME an anchor because of the lich kings activities there

[@cahrlloow9843]

@@lolosh99 Lich King did stick Frostmourne in her or did you forgot that? When she was alive and became that being she is. Read some lore maybe or go watch the cinamtics from BFA perhaps?

[@lolosh99]

Cahrl Lööw she saw the “hell” when she died her second death after throwing herself. Go watch the story of Sylvanas by nobbel and refresh your brain cuz you need it

[@BecxIsAwsome1]

Actually wasn't the Jailer part of Azeroth before the Titans even? I thought it was, I'm confused now 😅

[@ns0557212]

I was gonna theorize that her suicide a top icecrown citadel introduced her to this Jailer.

[@EloquentTroll]

Players: "We don't like Battle of Azeroth" Blizz: "Well then you can go to hell!"

[@brunomartinibonaldo5715]

EloquentTroll , Rofl

[@jsc1jake512]

literally...

[@ixidakonixi]

Best part is azeroth is literally hell

[@itsmeitsyou5035]

😂😂😂

[@user-lydia698]

lol

[@gamer65688]

The scariest thing of all... *Mickey Sans Undertale*

[@QuestionableObject]

Ho-ho, gonna have a bad time, ho-ho

[@Typhyr]

Hearing it threw me off, scared the crap out of me.

[@doublem3128]

it's worse than we thought. Sylvanas has the power of disney behind her we are all don for.

[@NBttlr]

Oh my various Gods, that part was hilarious XD

[@archdruidrho9823]

Featuring Monokuma from the Devil May Despair Series

[@Hunter-rr5ue]

02:46 You can feel the EVIL in that voice

[@TheWieldofrost]

Nobbel deserves to VA that guy in game!

[@stephanematis]

I am crying here LOL

[@Dhurak57]

goddamn thank you nobbel for that

[@philippeblais8594]

I was so not ready for that. I'm so lucky I was not taking a sip of my drink when that happened cause I would have spit it out all over my laptop.

[@TheVirdra]

I knew it. The whole time it was Mickey Mouse. Screw you, Disney!

[@EdBurke37]

You stand before The Arbiter as they look down on you with their imperious gaze and tally the weight of your soul. They tilt their head to one side quizzically before nodding and uttering a single word. "Mahogany."

[@fingergains7294]

Edward Burke Super underrated comment.

[@phosphoros9107]

YOU ALREADY TOOK THE KIDS WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!?

[@fumarc4501]

Hell. Strip.

[@ThePitpalacoo]

The Arbiter is in fact Christopher Walken. He looks at you and says... Pineapple

[@leverman2511]

I thought the arbiter was a sangheili

[@sidequest6320]

I really hope we see Broxigar in one of these afterlives.

[@xanderguldie]

Then he should be imprisoned because he was in the neither when he died and as far as I know your spirit dies there too.

[@redjuvee]

@@xanderguldie i thought that was only applied to demons

[@xanderguldie]

@@redjuvee perhaps your right. Still it begs the question what happened to his soul.

[@tellywebsamacharblog]

@@xanderguldie where is Arthas soul ??

[@TirehtooriRIP]

@@tellywebsamacharblog well now that the helm of domination was broken it should be free, so there some hope for Arthas yet

[@menarg1549]

Sylvanas has had a Sugar-daddy all this time omg

[@nickypenn5841]

It's her old...'acquitance/agent' guy back from her days as an elven swimsuit supermodel, just like what Nixx said.

[@ASNS117Zero]

Poor Nathanos

[@serbisthehero1987l]

Val’kyr Weinstein, Jailer of swimsuit models.

[@Nspeedtheone]

So typical for succesfull attractive women. -.-

[@brandySP85]

AND IT WASN'T MEEEEE!!!!!

[@Rumunsko8]

Hope we'll finally get to meet Mankirk's wife in the Shadowlands...

[@edattacks]

that'll be a nice easter egg

[@brunom7162]

Yes, we will meet her!! Blizzard already confirmed it during an interview with Lost Codex. Mankrik's wife will be an easter egg in Shadowlands :D

[@phantafalconpunch]

Not even the Devs can find Mankirks Wife

[@phantafalconpunch]

@Peri OListo chuck norris found mankriks wife so fast the game crashed

[@tDream78]

@@phantafalconpunch I legit lol'd at the devs comment

[@KlausiboyZ]

There are 2 things that are generally red flags for me in franchises: time-travel and afterlife-travel. There are various reasons for each, but overall, they share this: they potentially make a lot of otherwise tense and touching moments become cheap and boring. Once we get time travel we can just retcon anything, go back in time and change it. Including character deaths. The same potential issue comes from opening up travel to the after life. If someone dies, what does it matter? We can just go to the after life and see them or better yet, save them and bring them back. Death suddenly doesn't mean what it used to. I've been using the word "potentially" a few times, because a lot of franchises think of decent ways to handle these issues. Like time travel being about multiverses, so you can't really change anything, and after life travel has a heavy toll to counter balance it, making death still be an issue. But on the other hand, there are franchises like Dragon Ball, where death is quickly fixed by Shenron. I'm not saying WoW isn't going to handle these issues well, I'm just being cautious and concerned. It seems like a lot of old characters will be returning after all. I'm mostly worried about what they might do with Varian. His self sacrifice was such a great scene (I'm probably biased). And if they just allow him to reappear and be a badass again, that scene will lose it's impact. I think it's fine if they want to use him to further develop Anduin. Like giving him closure, or test his faith or something, but other than that, I think Varian should stay dead and gone. Still a lot of potential for great stuff, just also a lot of potential to mess things up

[@millennialgamer8907]

I agree time travel and afterlife travel that is anything more than seeing a ghost really cheapens storylines. Like they can't come up with completely new characters so we keep clinging back to these old characters over and over again.

[@shadowgamer4306]

klausiboy kristensen Varian will not appear. He is permanently dead because his soul was destroyed by fel energy. So you don’t have to worry about Varian. The same applies for Tirion Fordring I think.

[@KlausiboyZ]

@@shadowgamer4306 Fair point. But I wouldn't be surprised if Blizz did some retcon BS

[@ciram9082]

First off, the Whispers almost made me die because I choked on my coffee. Second, I like to imagine the Arbiter as Hogwarts' Sorting Hat

[@TheDodoia]

Omg that was the first thing that came to my head after watching the reveal 😂

[@canis2020]

I hope we finally find Mankirk's wife!

[@TenositSergeich]

The True Quest shall be over. The soul of adventurer shall only be set free when they bring closure to Mankrik by talking to Olgra's spirit, and with that, he will reform the Burning Blade clan into becoming the core of the true army that will defeat the Void Lords and bring balance between 6 forces and 6 elements of the universe, making titans and demons, naaru and voidwalkers, wild gods and dead live in peace, ending the cosmic struggle, and dropping the "War-" part to make a game about finding true love.

[@alchaeologist]

I was looking for this exact comment.

[@brandySP85]

@@TenositSergeich Love is the most savage of things.

[@Dularr]

Confirmed, Azeroth is flat covered by a dome.

[@christopherduncan3750]

Azeroth is flat man.

[@razvandragomir7403]

Beware Flatearthers ahead advance of your own peril

[@QuestionableObject]

Azeroth is a cube

[@tarnyowl6068]

I thought it was a big rectangle

[@xaoc6084]

Henry Lidiard I thought it was an oblate spheroid haha

[@terryfunk1728]

02:46 Sounds exactly like Mickey Mouse in south park lmao.

[@brettwallace7687]

"Vengeance is mine! You are all ants and I am your destroyer! Haha!"

[@Cloudseries]

another winnie the pooh refrence!

[@Vektordeformacio]

This is gay mickey

[@Zoey--]

I think that timestamp about sums up Blizzard's current storytelling and what Nobbel actually thinks of it lol

[@rqn2274]

Mr Mouse

[@jakoby256]

02:46 i wasn't prepared for this lmao

[@ALLmasked]

mickey shouldve stayed retired. i mean disney still pay him royalties ... right?

[@wunderdub]

Nobbel has such great respect for lore, the pain wrought by these non-canonical shenanigans probably hurt him the most. =(

[@thedude5641]

I bet (hope) that we see Arthas return in the Maw. "I see...only Darkness"...that sounds like the Maw to me :D

[@razieluchiha7580]

He surely will come back.

[@michaelsuder3956]

Arthas is pretty much every WoW player’s favorite character - especially when he was the LK but unfortunately I think he’s gone. They keep Mary Sue Sylvanas around forever and get rid of Arthas in the 3rd xpac.

[@Faxy95]

@@michaelsuder3956 I'm sorry but arthas was gone way before wrath of the lich king. It's not like they can just keep him around after the story had already happened in Warcraft 3.

[@alminjusic2867]

Arthas belongs in realm where kael is, he is also missguilded soul i don't see why would he be in maw

[@ninaloveray]

Michael Suder um he wasn’t and never will be. I never liked his character not was I interned in this character. So not pretty much every fans favorite character

[@bindair_dundat]

How can a helmet created only a couple of centuries ago by the Burning Legion open a "portal" to a realm that predates the Titans?

[@shakirashipslied9721]

*Magic*

[@jatabo1574]

Plot convenience

[@TheSilverwing999]

Unless the realm always existed, but the portal is a new creation. Maybe there wasn't always a way to get inside.

[@Scream0134]

When introduced to beings like N’zoth, who has the ability to warp perceptions. Maybe the jailer/untold beings had a hand in placing the anchor (The helmet) by using similiar abilities towards the legion to build/place such anchor (helmet) to have a certain access to Azeroth. Just a personal theory.

[@kaiserhundkek2531]

Bindair Dundat retcons

[@andrewhenderson9616]

"Perhaps you will have a chance to say hello to your son". I would absolutely love it if Saurfang got to see Dranosh once more in game ^.^

[@crysosisback7115]

And ... his wife.

[@erikho6936]

@@crysosisback7115 And his Brother...

[@TheCorgiLoaf]

And MY AXE! wait.. wrong franchise

[@cainabel6356]

You do know that Saurfang died, so he probably already has seen his son.

[@andrewhenderson9616]

@@cainabel6356 Not necessarily. Sylvanas made this deal with the jailer for more souls at some point in the last few expansions. Saurfang's soul could have been claimed by him upon death. Dranosh died a long time before Sylvanas's pact so is probably in Bastion or some other afterlife.

[@torstenrhys7033]

Bwonsamdi's Boss DEFINITELY ain't gonna like dis. Can't wait to meet 'em.

[@brunom7162]

I think it may be the Arbiter. Bwonsamdi said he hates Sylvanas. And now we know Sylvanas is redirecting souls to the Maw. I think the Arbiter is mad with this shit.

[@SiniusAZM]

@@brunom7162 god, just imagine if we see the Arbiter give Bwonsamdi a spanking for being naughty

[@benjaminstevens3788]

Whoever it is I hope his boss is just a stereotypical overworked office manager type character who has no other employees and the wall is full of pictures Bwonsamdi has put up labelled "employee of the month"

[@hxjj111]

What are you, a rapper?

[@klonvomhaus]

The Necromancer, new hero class, would've made a lot of sense for this expansion.

[@clairebear6502]

Nawh That’s literally a death knight

[@alfonsocelis3831]

All the time I see a carry warlock in a raid with the only purpose of summoning people, I think of this new hero class "Dark Shaman" as an alternative summoner and affliction-type disease spreading dps. "Berserkers" as light armored (or none) tanks which basically get furious and harden by getting punched. Vindicators as kinda of a ranged/caster retri paladins... Always imagining how would it be like.

[@nevermore7285]

Would be the priest to the Death Knight’s paladin

[@PillowyMound]

I don't wonder why ice crown is the anchor. I wonder why the helm of domination made by Kil'jaeden is the key for this gateway. The origin of domination gear just sounds like a huge retcon to make this weird story work.

[@razvandragomir7403]

Yeah how the demons are originally from the twisting nether how did they create a gate to another dimension apart from the one who they own. Maybe the dark portal was created the same way. And if it's the same why they did it?

[@LadyAdrasteia666]

I mean, demons have been able to create and utilize the undead since at least the War of the Ancients. But... This did seem like a stretch. If they could tap into powers like this to such an extent, then how were we able to defeat them so easily? It doesn't quite add up.

[@vukasinzivkovic4570]

@@LadyAdrasteia666 Yeah, but in the War of the Ancient their undead creation and manipulation was primitive, as witnessed by Brox. They will probably retcon it.

[@bigpod]

as far as i understood it was created by netrazim who arent exavly demons

[@7Sarutan7]

THIS! it was bugging me ALOT that they retconned this huge lore of the freaking helm just to freaking make sylvanas "badass"

[@KaneCold]

Oh, look ... another tin-opener expansion to savor some fresh nostalgia... time travel didn't do the trick now it's grave robbery :D

[@eltriplej6944]

Sylvanas: Well, Imma head out. Bolvar: Am I a joke to you?

[@DystopiaWithoutNeons]

huhuh nice one, genius comedy you missed one. Nobody: Comments: alright im doing comedy now Comedy: im a joke to you.

[@buferoto6912]

Lack Who pissed in your cornflakes?

[@eltriplej6944]

Meh, it's sarcasm on my part, but who cares. Let 'em have bliss in their arrogance.

[@hxjj111]

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[@brandySP85]

@@eltriplej6944 the saddest thing I have ever learned in my life, is that some people do not comprehend sarcasm. I weep for them, and also avoid them as much as possible.

[@datemasamune2904]

Solas: Nice to see a fellow elf tearing down the boundaries between dimensions.

[@Rewwgh]

I laughed at that Mickey Mouse voice so much and suddenly that I spat in my own cooking while listening!

[@Clartred]

@@MatadorMedia rip

[@robertgabrielzaharie5405]

Enjoy... I guess

[@joemartin7451]

@@MatadorMedia enjoy your journey in Maw

[@mariovaudry6272]

You probably wont read this but man do I love your videos . Thanks for all the comments , story , explanation you are bringing around . Been following you for years buddy , keep up the good work !

[@NicholasTough]

Garrosh - *divides the horde because of his warmongering. Hides in an alternate time line* Sylvanas - *divides the horde because of her warmongering. Hides in the after life*

[@unholyallen9572]

Sylvanas didnt hide, she straight sent us there

[@TheRealRealMClovin]

"Without Their master at their command the scourge army would ran across Azeroth and destroy everything in their path" Took Tyrion Fordring with Ashbringer, many players/champions and many vengeful souls to kill the kich king. The lich king/Bolvar lifting up 3 giant ice spikes easily with one hand and not even flinching, but can't escape some chains. Sylvanas "hold my beer"

[@PixelatedFireball]

Just let me see Broxigar and Saurfang chilling together in the afterlife somewhere. Thats all I want.

[@EdgarTheOgre]

The Lich King's powers came from the Shadowlands. When Kiljaeden created it, he probably made some kind of "channel" that connects the shadowlands and pumps power into the helm of domination. When Silvanas breaks the helm, all that power, that does not belong into this world naturally, just followed its natural path and tried to return to its origin. But it was so much that it broke the veil of reality actually opening the portal; like too much water contained in a dam. That's my explanation.

[@tyrdravok]

I get the feeling arthas was stronger than bolvar.

[@_Sami_H]

Well he had a blade empowered by like half of lordaren.. So you know.. take it how you want.

[@Havenscythe]

No shit

[@hilnnerfarias913]

Arthas had half of azeroth souls in his hands to give him power, Bolvar still has a heart, and he would never even use frostmourne

[@_Sami_H]

@@hilnnerfarias913 I douth he still have heart Given what he allowed or said to the player with the Red dargon flight..

[@simonkryer6867]

@@_Sami_H No, it's Frostmourne.

[@CPPpotkustartti]

Nobbel, what do you think happens to Ner'Zhul? Is old Orc Shaman and First Lich King powerful enough to have escaped Maw when Helm was split (that is if Helms destruction freed his soul from it or has his influence been carried since Arthas "killed" Ner-Zhul way before?)

[@karisumataichou]

4:38 Ice Crown is saturated in the blood of Yogg-Saron, the "God of Death" aka "Fiend of a Thousand Faces" aka "Beast of a Thousand *Maws*" aka "Hope's End" (Hmm... Lots of quotes from Sylvanas about ending hope this expansion... I wonder why?). He was able to create a pathway to the Emerald Dream, so if the Shadowlands is the dark cousin to the Emerald Dream, it wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility for him to converge with it. The Frozen Throne was revealed to be a gateway into the Shadowlands. What are the Frozen Throne and ICC forged from? Saronite. I wouldn't be surprised if we found Yogg-Saron causing chaos in the Shadowlands.

[@OscarMega2000]

Maybe the jailer is Yogg-Saron in another form? Hmm interesting

[@klonvomhaus]

Imagine Sylvanas now turning into a 4th-Wall-Breaking character, speaking about how the ceiling of the world always bothered her when she flew out of Undercity, straight up, and banged her head against the invisible wall, and now that it's broken, she enjoys her freedom. And how everyone in WoW is controlled by a puppeteer and how she is free now and everything...

[@sarahclaasen4317]

The side quest could do something with Elune's disappearance.

[@Bleiser3]

What disappearence? Since when did she disappear? wut?

[@stealthyspy1012]

@@Bleiser3 during the burning of teldrassil elune apparently she abandoned them

[@sorrowday838]

@@stealthyspy1012 in the book she didnt.... and is a hug plot hole

[@stealthyspy1012]

@@sorrowday838 yeah but I'm saying that's what Tyrande and some of the night elves think. I hope it isn't true and she's still with them

[@peacku]

They think Elune disappeared because they went straight to the Maw when they died because of Sylvanas. Otherwise they'd have met with the Arbiter and probably would've ended up with Elune.

[@MrMunchrooms]

Ardenweald is such a nice zone, it'll be my permanent hangout spot for all of Shadowlands.

[@Enderlinkpawnu]

Nobbel cracked the code. The Jailer is really Mickey Mouse.

[@disruptive_innovator]

Everyone: It's Arthas. Blizzcon Blizzard: No no no guys, it's a whole new character. You can't even fathom who this new character is! Shadowlands Launch Blizzard: Just kidding. It's Arthas! We fooled you! Psych!

[@mikkelolesen6292]

I hope they hire Nobbel for voice actor for the Jailer.

[@tellywebsamacharblog]

So are wo going to see Arthas too along with Uther and Kaelthas 😅

[@michaelsuder3956]

Wait....Kael’thas is dead? I must have missed that

[@FaeFemboi]

So, trying to answer the question "What will the side-story be" retroactively, I would say that each covenant has their own side-story. Ardenweald has the Drust and Ysera, Bastion the Forsaken and Uther, Revendreth with the Light/resistance fighters/nathrezim sneakiness, and Maldraxus with Kel'Thuzad and the Primus.

[@Ribblelum]

Honestly, Sylvanas did Bolvar a favor by destroying the Helm, and freeing him from its corrupting influence, if for nothing else. He's finally free to join up as a Major Character for this expac, and we all know that there wouldn't be such a negative response if Blizz did the safe WoTLK 2.0 that everyone thought was coming

[@bigpod]

idk if helm was actualy corrupting imo it was just a tool to store souls of the lich king and i also think that bolvar was as much in control as was the lichking, my guess is bolvar was the one dks talked to thats why red but sylvanas fought lichking thats why blue eyes and what were plans for everything that was probably bolvar speaking as well seen all this he became from this hero to something of a not hero

[@christophermeador4828]

Hes free at the cost of all those undead being now rampant

[@notoriousbig3k]

@@christophermeador4828 the undead died their souls were linked by the crown and the one waring it ... no one wears it then they run ramant no crown they are bonemeal

[@Levitiy]

He was immune to its corrupting influence though. Thanks to the dragonfire.

[@Ribblelum]

@@Levitiy When Sylvanas pulled the Helm off Bolvar, he says "That power ... will be your prison." there's obviously negative side effects of wearing the Helm, like personality changes in Bolvar's case

[@obiwanwatson]

you need your own podcast. instant subscriber!

[@vokani5421]

Mickey Mouse Jailer: "You look mighty scared! If only there was some place you could hide..." (Seananners fans would get the reference)

[@NBttlr]

One thing that puzzles me still is the fact that the Shadowlands runs off of Anima. ... Hadn't we heard that term somewhere before? Seen that substance put to use? I'm referring to the Mogu. Lei Shen learned of anima and created the Animus boss we fight in the Throne of Thunder raids. Lor'themar then gained some of said animus constructs for his own which he and his forces managed to fuel via blood magic. Is this the same "anima" that the Shadowlands works off of? And considering that all manner of creatures possess it, much like blood in one's veins, could that also mean certain creatures have more quantity/potency? (Largely remembering Ra'den and his seeping wounds...)

[@TheMisleduser]

You think one of the main plot points is going to be forging a new helm to return control of the scourge to Bolvar?

[@JonnyBeetle]

We Deal with the scourge in the pre patch

[@jhamietanricss4968]

Well i think if things goes well in shadowlands or after shadowlands expansion maybe there are no longer scourge. Their will be balance between death and life so no more dead peole coming to life. Just my speculation

[@YohXoX]

My theory is that "by jail" Sylvannas means she doesn't want to live but she also does not desire eternal torment. She just wants to rest and destroy the Maw, then die by hand of us, Champions.

[@quchi7232]

There’s this underrated game called Little Nightmares that has a place named The Maw, I thought their purpose is the same in WoW. it’s a great game.

[@maddawg69]

I still enjoy watching these lore videos, the story of Warcraft was incredibly attractive to me while I was growing up. I started playing roughly around the launch of Wrath and played consistently through Mists. With that said, my memories of the franchise are incredibly positive but it saddens me to see the almost unbelievable direction the storyline has taken. Given how the support for the game has regressed over the past few expansions, I hope the new expansion is a drastic improvement no matter my inability to play.

[@jeramiahvanelgort3913]

Aren't the Shouderpads Arthas' old shoulders? They look almost identical

[@notoriousbig3k]

No the lich king corruption creates armor on ure body

[@borisfrlic]

No, its very similar but not the same

[@drzoidberg1702]

Best 0:35 seconds ever Noble, keep up the great work, leaving a like because of the spoiler warning

[@donlukebeck20]

What happens if we glue back the helm of domination tho? Will that fix the hole in the sky as well?

[@xaoc6084]

Don’t think it’s that simple haha. It shattered the magic which forged it and kept the two different planes separate from each other (in a physical way at least) unless this was a joke haha

[@lordofduche4002]

Asking the real questions

[@sofialaya596]

maybe the quest will be to reforge it

[@donlukebeck20]

@@sofialaya596 🤔🤔🤔 did we just solve the end of the expansion

[@Nobbel87]

FLEXTAPE

[@AndreLopesMrDRJazz]

lol this intro you made dude was epic !!

[@lukamitro273]

The way Nobbel says Shadowlands. "The ShadowlAAAndsss" :D

[@HavocHounds1988]

Correction, only mortals go there when they die, other beings such as demons still go the the Twisting Nether, beings of Arcane would probably go to some Arcane plane of existence etc.

[@touchingisjustthefirststep]

Revendreth seems just like the place where Mal'Ganis and the other dreadlords came from and not the burning legion.

[@sycamore2656]

Honestly that retcon makes sense

[@Markis2bi4]

Will we be able to do cross-faction group ups, now that we are all in the Afterlife together?

[@benjamindivner3860]

Nobbel87: *Dies* Arbiter: GODSPEED STRAIGHT TO BASTION YOU GO MAGNIFICENT BASTARD

[@thegameghoul3442]

4:33 I think It's the first answer because it's probably just choosing that area because of how much there was, not where the power came from, because it would explain why Bolvar, of all people, would be the one who came back to life instead of the hundred others, it knock some sense in Ner'zul and making him realize that he's become a pawn of the jailer and realize his crown became the only thing separating the Shadowlands (therefore, the jailer) from Azeroth.

[@SilvershoresRecords]

Redshirt guy in me: Now crossing the veil of death.... Can we go back and forth between the shadowlands and Azeroth?

[@TheW11slim]

Etienne Chandonnet its a legit question

[@m.m.5448]

Yes you can. I even came back!

[@nicolek5461]

We have already been to the Shadowlands actually.. everytime we died in-game.

[@astralogion3296]

Question; Could The Lich King be the Avatar of this Jailer? Just like the Avatar of Sargeras but for the Jailer instead. I mean, the Lich King is afterall called "The Jailer of the Damned". Maybe there's some sort of hint there. Although, gameplay cinematic, he speaks of how he failed his job and getting a look at the Jailer, Bolvar says something like "Within the realm of shadows...lies the darkest of terrors...which should never be set free." So maybe not. Any thoughts?

[@SousukeAizen421]

lich king was made by kil'jaeden by enchanting a spirit of an orc shaman ner'zul into a set of armor(including the helm) to weaken azeroth defenses before the legion invasion in wc3

[@astralogion3296]

@@SousukeAizen421 Yes, but obviously, it feels weird if he just did this randomly placing the Frozen Throne right underneath the tower in the Shadowlands etc. To me, it seems information has been left out purposefully. Maybe Sargeras knew about the Shadowlands and intended for Kil'Jaeden to do it this precise way for some weird reason, we don't know yet. Maybe the helm and everything was crafted just so the Jailer could have a footing on the plane of Azeroth or some shizz. /shrug

[@adamk8073]

@@astralogion3296 I'd imagine it was something along the lines of Kil'Jaeden being aware that Icecrown was a strategic location to place The Lich King due to its Shadowlands connection, but the personal ambition of Arthas meant it wasn't fully untilized as he just wanted to dominate Azeroth with The Scourge. However, Bolvar has been trying to keep The Scourge under control so has probably been looking into the power beyond just controlling a vast undead army, so we'll find out soon what he knows about the whole situation!

[@MrExoticify]

Couldn't a story line in the new expansion be that we in some way create a new Helm of Domination for Bolvar so that the now restless undead becomes jailed once more?

[@Anne231154]

Maybe but he should at least give Taelia a hug first :)

[@cvanims]

How did Bolvar get out of the ice? Did I miss that part?

[@garrisonmoncher5461]

So here is a theory: The Halls of Valor is one of the realms of the Shadowlands

[@eduardelric]

Makes sense!!!!!

[@brandySP85]

Valhalla holla (holler)!

[@risso2309]

This is less a theory and more of a fact, literally, look it up.

[@yoyoipwn1]

I wonder if Teron Gorefiend will show up. Considering he's the first Death Knight and all, maybe he has some insights in to the Shadowlands for us.

[@khadorstrong]

"we're going to discover new areas/new lands" "Actually Nobbel knows it all already"

[@TheDezicious]

Most people do due Blizzcon, so it`s not like hes an exeption

[@khadorstrong]

@@TheDezicious what does that even mean

[@johanah.693]

I think the bargain of Sylvanas was definitely before Teldrasill (therefore before BfA) because Ion specifically said that "Sylvanas is doing a lot of stuff that would produce the biggest amount of dead" with the picture of burning teldrasill on the presentation...I think Saurfang is indeed in the Maw together with all the souls from Teldrasill and BfA casualties, which induced the problematic growth of the Maw that was mentioned by Ion as well.

[@jamesc7894]

Waits for Disney Copyright strike....

[@tellywebsamacharblog]

Is there any chance to see Arthas in Shadowland ? 🤔

[@vellexander4422]

Arbiter: MAHOGANY

[@WhismurWanders]

Random Thought: Didn't the Dragons fly up to Northrend and into the frozen wastes when they sensed they were going to die? Seems like Northrend already had a connection to the Shadowlands before any Lich King shenanigans, so maybe the Helm of Domination absorbed latent power from the area itself.

[@goldfishprime]

8:44 that actually looks EXACTLY like the Halls of Valor...

[@Taenlyn]

Valor Kyrian. Val'Kyr. Geddit?

[@Curls_Cards]

It is also likely what Odin saw when he looked into the Shadowlands. Then he created his lands based on what he saw

[@RileyRivalle2]

How's this for a plot hole: Odin created the original Val'kyr that now act as Spirit Healers on Azeroth (while simultaneously being in the Shadowlands like our spirits), and now we're told they're older than him.

[@_Sami_H]

@@RileyRivalle2 ya something got retconned.. Like they said the first Valyire was Halya ( i think that thats how you type her name) And now the are saying that those valkyire are there way before he ever existed.. Unless ofc they mean that Halya is His first ever valkyire... and that the concpet and the idea of valkyire is an ancient thing that Oydn just coppied or understood when he made the trade with the anicent spirt (problay muzala..) and then it somehow make secne alltho that is if the trade with muzala happended before he made his first valkyire

[@RileyRivalle2]

@sami hirsh It's Helya. And Odin, Val'kyr and Mueh'zala. You raise an interesting question - are any loa/gods on Azeroth older than the Keepers? All the ones that fall under the category "wild gods" were born in Freya's gardens, but what about Mueh'zala? Although, apparently Blizzard has clarified that the shadow creature behind Sylvanas in the trailer is just some new, random Death thing we haven't heard of before.

[@atibamaule]

Sylvanus soloing the Lytch King is basically any one of us taking our max level toons and fighting a level 80 Artus while we're at 120.

[@arrynn1622]

Ah so the evil man is revealed It’s Mickey Mouse, it all adds up, his cult destroys all good things

[@suokkis]

What intrests me is what happens to the denizens of Shadowlands when theyre killed, since we can kill mobs there. Are they just send back to their respected realms to be reborn by the Arbiter, or do they go to the Maw? Or somewhere else? Is there an afterlife to an afterlife?

[@FBI-1987]

The Lich King drew upon the necrolords? Sounds like a retcon, cause the Lich King used the NERUBIANS as the basis for his architecture. Then again, this entire expansion is a retcon.

[@Dimaskoda]

I spit my tea after that Jailer Mickey Mouse impersonation , thanks Nobbel , you made my day :D

[@friskybitzboi]

Do you think when we die in the Shadowlands, we’ll be back in regular Azeroth

[@VelvetKitsune]

Going to be one hell of a corpse run.

[@j9ke3r]

Taliesin & Evitel tried it on stream at blizzcon, the corpse run is not black white, it's in full color and your "soul" look completely different

[@MegaChickenfish]

4:35 That's my headcanon at least. Basically a leyline for death magic.

[@Jay-kr7kt]

One interesting thing to note: During the Legion questline when helping Anduin around stormwind to then take him to the broken shore and obtain Shalamayne, he states "Since you brought my father's compass back to me, I've prayed to the Light for guidance, and to know his spirit is at rest. The light doesn't answer." I think Varian is also trapped in the Maw and we might run into him during this expansion as well!

[@AtamskArchadian]

People wonder about Blizzard seemingly retconning the statement about the fact that there must always be a Lich King or the scourge would rampage across all Azeroth. Well I have my own thoughts about that. Seems to me like the one giving Slyvanas her power has a link to the helm of the Lich King or more accurately: the power within the Helm. If you look at the helm the prisoner (The Jailer) is wearing you’ll see it resembles the Lich King helm so for all we know, the helm may have been a conduit that removed and trapped part of his power in it, thus keeping him trapped as well as bestowing the essence of his corrupting power upon whoever wore it. So now that the helm is broken his power returns and barrier to the realm he’s imprisoned in breaks. As for the scourge it may be that they are only a threat so long as the prisoners power remains in our world without someone to control and direct it or restrain it, depending on the wearers intentions and willpower. Now the power returns to its source leaving the creatures in thrall to the previous bearers as little more than husks and bones. Just a theory.

[@lolosh99]

Nobbel please its 2:00 AM i have college tomorrow YOU CANT DO THIS TO ME 😭 Ok i guess one more video wont hurt...

[@Declipsed]

you have college on sunday??

[@lolosh99]

Maik Arts yes

[@Pixelynx]

@@Declipsed -- Yes. Colleges have weekend classes you can choose.

[@Clartred]

How can imbeciles who write comments like this go to college????

[@OriginalKasym]

So. I'm still confused, Icecrown was the anchor to the Shadowlands, but why was breaking the Lich King's helm the thing that opens the Shadowlands? And why hasn't there been any corruption or influence of the Shadowlands around Northrend? (Like how Val'Sharah was heavily influenced by the Dream)

[@brandonphelps5433]

So we’re going in the upside down to fight the demagorgan... awesome.

[@brunom7162]

I don't know if Saurfang would be sorted into Bastion or Maldraxxas. He had a life of service, being loyal to the Horde, and this seems like a Bastion thing, but he's also a relentless, warlike spirit. He never bowed to Sylvanas. This seems to be a Maldraxxas thing. And Garrosh is clearly Maldraxxas :D

[@Beribei]

Sylvanas reached ultra instinct

[@youstolemyhandleyoutwat]

Sylvanas is gay af.

[@Ashod00]

Uther, Kaelthas, Garrosh, Gromm, Cenarius, Variann, Anduin (original), Arthas, Broxigar, Saurfang, Cairne, Terenas, Medivh, Aegwynn, Guldan, Nerzhul, Drekthar, Orgrim, Durotan, Vajsh, Deathwing, even Azshara possibly? The list of fallen characters who we may get to see again is very exciting.

[@Virimesh]

This is the coolest shadowbringers headcanon I have seen. I really like that new deep dungeon they are releasing for ff14. Oh....wait a minute.....

[@touchingisjustthefirststep]

Wait Ner'zul was the one that made Frostmourne or did they retconn that as well?

[@nevermore7285]

Originally, it was KilJaden and I believe the dread Lords who made it and the armor. It seems like they now either stole it, or the Dread Lords added a bit extra

[@rambobatman990]

sooo in the most mysterious and badass place in wow universe, the most unknown and powerful, there are bunnies...ok

[@clintthomas9194]

Yeah, I feel you. The cinematic is so dark, and unknown when the sky opens up. Then they show you fluffy bunnies and bright and colorful zones. I'm like " joke right?"

[@nicolek5461]

@@clintthomas9194 Exactly! Not looking like Shadowy lands at all. Too colourful and all, not that it looks bad, but it is not so fitting in my opinion.

[@vaquinhadaora676]

Not everything in the shadowlands has to be edgy tough

[@nicolek5461]

@@vaquinhadaora676 ofcourse it has to be. Why else is it called Shadowlands? Call it something else then like Spiritlands or Ghostlands if it also has some brightness to it. Just my opinion though.

[@mechanicobra]

Okay but, as much potential as there is in Shadowlands there are already a few glaring lore plot holes its made. Hopefully the explanations we get in the expansion will at least patch over most of them. But my biggest question is this. Where do the things we kill in the Shadowlands go?

[@KiroTheZeru]

That's Evil Magic...DISNEY MAGIC! 02:46

[@Ryxxi_makes]

BTW, if you guys noticed, the helmet still has the stone in it. Sylvannas didnt break the stone. Only the helmet. So I bet there will be a quest to Fix the helmet and restore balance. Mages will keep the portal open for us to visit shadow lands as usual.

[@ConnorNotyerbidness]

Best news of all though: LEGENDARY WEAPONS WILL FINALLY BE TRANSMOGABLE

[@Kakyoin489]

Unless there updated they look like shit other then shadowmourne and the rouge daggers

[@LerRhann]

@@Kakyoin489 they're

[@ConnorNotyerbidness]

@@Kakyoin489 warglaives? Thoridal? Tarecgosa's rest? The lucky few with atiesh??

[@delsorou]

So my take is that the Helm of Domination and Icecrown itself, were/are specifically designed to create this "anchor," as a necessary part of granting the Lich King his power. Just part of the recipe Kil'jaeden used to create the ability to effortlessly raise and control an entire army of undead.

[@MrBluecharisma]

Oh god,are we really going to see motherfucking kael'thas again,finally a chance for blizz to somehow fix his story after they butchered it so bad in TBC

[@xersys]

Robert Vonya burning crusade was merely a setback.

[@sudowoodo9579]

So is KT never going to come back since were not going to a scourage expansion? Or is he actually dead for real now?

[@kouzinha]

Perhaps... We will see my Arthas again? I'm begging so much for that...

[@LadyAdrasteia666]

Oh I really hope so!

[@bobobserver8990]

Given Genn and Sylvanas's history there is one soul I'm curious to see show up, possibly in Bastion or the Maw. Genn's son Liam. Since Legion he's been brought up a few times (the Stormheim cinematic, the discussion with Jaina's mother to try and save her daughter). It would definitely be a nice closer to Genn's story, especially if his tale possibly comes to an end with the next expansion.

[@Nocure92]

Next villain: Mickey Mouse confirmed.