The Streamer Drama Doesn't Stop

[@pallavparmar9818]

I’m glad a big influencer like you is promoting small creators like Ludwig

[@MercuryLyfe]

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[@ninjaredfirehot]

We love to see it!

[@isaka2248]

Lol

[@PlayGang55]

he is ludwig, why yall confusing me lol

[@thiscallsforboldaction1103]

@@PlayGang55 that was the joke

[@Youzarggae]

Imagine if Ludwig and Mogul Mail met. The multiverse would shatter

[@BluePlaysGames]

You think that would be insane, what if Ludwin clips was already there?

[@h20lucifer24]

Imagine if mogul mail did the mail with moistcritical?

[@Crouza]

I wish Ludwig would consider having Mogul Mail on The Yard. I think he'd make a great podcast guest and they'd probably hit if off pretty good as well.

[@RetroGenetic]

I am sorry for ruining the nice 999 :|

[@StarryxNight5]

The only thing that would rival it is if Schlatt and Big Guy met. And if all four of them met, I think the multiverse might just die and rise from the ashes of reality

[@uhoh1860]

I can’t believe people mistake you for Ludwig when you’re really Mogul Mail!

[@themostdislikedchannel]

I Know!

[@Octanitrocubane-enjoyer]

they’re both so cool, they need to colab some day

[@highdefinition450]

Fucking hate Ludwig, he's got nothing on Mogul Mail

[@markvieyra9950]

I’m just saying, I’ve never seen them upload at the same time…

[@iLikeRantingStaySalty]

Ludwig’s been stealing his style the whole damn time

[@outofstock22]

If only Ludwig was as good at fitting bidets as MogulMail is at storytelling

[@MercuryLyfe]

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[@davidtimlin7607]

I think Lud paid off Mogul Mail to cover for him

[@LightCrib2]

nice Oliver Tree profile pic

[@annoy4nce648]

if only ludwig was as good at giving bidets to people who got second place in his gameshow as mogul mail is at storytelling

[@Play_time7]

About the Carlos situation being too heavy of consequences, apparently Carlos had been pushing the limits a little too much for a long time and after several warnings this was the last straw for riot, so they blacklisted him. When the G2 organisation was made aware of this they decided on having him step down. This was said on a Spanish podcast, I forgot the name but it should be easy to find.

[@therealdarden]

If only Ludwig was amazing at telling stories and a super smooth talker gah

[@eesh]

idk 4:10 is kinda weird

[@roses10k]

i miss ludwin 😔

[@Zerodeaths4]

You mean moistcritical

[@ibus1502]

holy mother of bots...

[@pholtom]

thats why we have mogul mail, who is amazing at telling stories and also a super smooth talker

[@imjusttrin9900]

This Mogul Mail guy is so nice, he even promotes his friend Ludwig in the description of all his videos to get the man some more followers! What a chill and charitable dude

[@simonjohnston9488]

He seems like a bit of a rape culture enabler to me.

[@theblakester99]

Holy shit the bots

[@usans4773]

@@theblakester99 bot invasion

[@soba_fm]

Ludwig let’s him use his yt acc to browse yt it’s a fair exchange 🤝

[@michaelc5398]

Idk why but Ludwig going from house to house “installing” these bidets is hilarious to me. I just figured he would have it mailed and professionally installed. Hard-worker that guy :)

[@ItsJustValHere]

I just picture him leaving a mess in half of streamers' houses and just pretending like nothing happened. Like if the tooth fairy (bidet fairy) had a naughty list or a 50/50 chance of leaving crypto lmao

[@MercuryLyfe]

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[@Boricosa]

@@ItsJustValHere the coinflip fairy lmao

[@invasious]

The whole thing with the G2 story and Carlos stepping down was less about the direct criticism of partying with Andrew Tate and rather, the legal obligation for a company to appease their shareholders and make sure they are happy (I know that's not the legit legal wording, but companies do hold legal obligations towards shareholders). Carlos caused a $10m liability to the company and as such, it was in the best interest of the shareholders for the board of directors to force Carlos to step down, they now see his inclusion as detrimental to the success of the company. That's the consequences of partying with an absolute plague on society, and that's the way business goes. The capitalism machine keeps churning

[@willasplin8347]

I feel bad for Emiru, she found out that someone she lived with and considered a friend sexually assaulted another women. Considering her background with predators I think this has hit her really hard.

[@munch-]

Yeah I think Mr. Mail’s little Kanye joke on this was in poor taste given the context of the clip/Emiru’s past experiences

[@charlesm.2604]

She downplayed Miz involvement after knowing everything and tried to protect him from criticism. Every single streamer in existence is a bad person to some degree, they just hide it for as long as they can.

[@Sephiroso.]

@@charlesm.2604 Streamers are just as human as everyone else so that statement isn't only true for streamers. It's just human nature in general.

[@bradysmotrilla5788]

I see you subscribe to the Behavioral theory

[@brandon678]

@@triglyceride1160 Who asked?

[@ivefistedyourpet]

If only Ludwig was as good at fitting bidets as he is storytelling

[@ddvsgd9508]

Mogul would have been able to fit that bidet 😏

[@Oglokoog]

Who's Ludwig?

[@mootwo_]

@@Oglokoog he flooded hasan's bathroom or something i think. seems like a pretty sucky guy

[@abhinavranjan98]

Who's Ludwig? This is Mogul Mail

[@cope1492]

Ludwig?

[@Marselo-]

I highly doubt someone as busy as Ludwig could be running a second channel. Mogul Mail is waaay funnier too

[@jornavyr2459]

Sitting at home making videos everyday isn't that time demanding though. Especially considering that Ludwig doesn't edit the videos. He literally just sits in front of the camera and records them. He could probably have twenty channels and still have spare time in his day.

[@dashielcockrill998]

@@jornavyr2459 No chance there is a lot that goes in to making a interesting video

[@EquityUK.]

@@dashielcockrill998 be on twitter for news then say it on a video while recording then upload 1 hour max

[@teslagasoline5629]

@@jornavyr2459 what do you mean?? You think this guy is ludwig? This is Mogul Mail dude. Seriously these people gotta stop thinking every white guy with similar hairstyles look the same

[@Aesyaan]

@@jornavyr2459 R/woooooosh

[@attackop]

This amount of drama just in the last couple weeks has been insane thanks for summarising all this Mogul Mail, definitely not Ludwig.

[@ReidTheRulesGuy]

I love how Mogul Mail immediately called Ludwig "me" while denying them being the same person 😂 *ladies and gentlemen, we got him*

[@zoutewand]

I first came across you via random KZbin vids and while I liked the vids I was afraid you were gonna be some dodgy guy with weird opinions/behaviours. I'm so happy you prove time and time again you're just a wholesome dude who wants the best for wveryone. Thanks for that lol, I'm happy people like you get the respect you deserve and are seen as rolemodels by a lot of people

[@MercuryLyfe]

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[@xn1438]

Frfr

[@passingby3184]

I was genuinely so surprised to see emiru and codemiko somehow getting themselves roped into all this drama bs

[@OmegaQuinn]

If it’s about the crazy slick thing I remember seeing something about how Slick was also creepy and very touchy with Emiru right after she left her state to get away from a stalker but that’s about as far as my knowledge goes. Don’t know why there was a video about her calling CodeMiko fake though

[@revi925]

emiru is a roommate of slick. She was part of this drama from the beginning

[@giantpunda2911]

It's just high school drama shit. Codemiko wanted to get in on drama farming when it was mostly over by then and give her 2 cents. Emiru didn't appreciate one of Miko's takes about her and Emiru flew off the handle. This kind of this could resolve itself if the two had a direct one on one chat when shit dies down. It was a real nothing burger on both their parts.

[@passingby3184]

@@revi925 true but her stream about the situation was full of bullshit, I thought she’d know better but I guess she is still a streamer after all

[@BobBob-zk8zo]

@@revi925 she didn’t live there yet when slick committed SA so she definitely wasn’t part of it from the BEGINNING. Not to say she isn’t involved at all but I don’t think someone with a one punch man icon in KZbin comments is qualified to make that call 😂

[@noone-ld7pt]

That we live in a timeline where the nr 1 chessplayer of our generation casually shoutouts Ludwig in his official interview after absolutely crushing the world elite in a tournament just makes me wierdly happy for reasons I'm finding very hard to explain!

[@MercuryLyfe]

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[@poseidonm7]

I'm having the exact same emotions right now, I'm so hyped.

[@hopesy12u4]

who's 'the world elite'? the allegedly cheating with anal beads guy? how is he a symbol of the world's elite?

[@graphis36199]

Glad Ludwig finally gets to use his journalism degree for something important.

[@goobergobber]

@i better call shut up

[@T0NI_]

Well hold on, let’s not go calling this important

[@name8329]

@hope. 0/8

[@antonmanuel2047]

@i better call Thanks bro

[@Specisight]

Nah bro this is Mogul Mail he proved it in the beginning

[@kratos2112]

I pretty much agree except for the Carlos one. Riot wants nothing to do with Carlos because Riot also dealt with sexual assualt allegations. It means G2 will be cut off from Valo and League. Carlos diff isn't enough to overcome being out of two of the biggest esports

[@_A.t.g]

Yup. With or without carlos ignores the fact that he is SA carlos who's image is very different to what it was before

[@EleeBot]

😂These mogul mails are so satisfying to watch with Ludwig's smooth storytelling

[@Rant.]

Ludwig wasn't in this video besides a screenshot at the beginning

[@grieve6959]

this isnt ludwig tho? he just said

[@j_g94]

Who’s Ludwig?

[@EleeBot]

@@Rant. dang you right

[@EleeBot]

@@grieve6959 oops sorry

[@dallasdavis3437]

Man I used to joke about my girlfriend getting into Shane Dawson drama and make up youtuber drama back in the day and now I literally have no connection to any of these people other than you talking about it and man am I hooked. I think the disconnect is nice.

[@86aidan31]

Hahaha “girlfriend”. We all know Ludwig fans get no play. Good joke though 😂

[@InsideAssassin2]

@@86aidan31 Ludwig? This is mogul mail.

[@weirdokate8840]

im on the side where i was very invested in the shane dawson/JS/JC/Tati make up youtuber drama (if you can call it that, some of that was just straight up crime) and now im watching all of this unfold. The disconnect is nice! Its a decent dose of dramatic events that arent happening in my life

[@86aidan31]

@@InsideAssassin2 oh shoot!! I got them confused. Maybe he does have a girlfriend...

[@InsideAssassin2]

@@86aidan31 yup chad mogul mail viewers>beta Ludwig viewers

[@zerglinggorbak254]

I'm so glad Ludwig came to YT. His content has gotten much better!

[@MercuryLyfe]

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[@Twizzyrih]

tf up

[@LiIBeary]

Why are you commenting about Ludwig in Mogul Mail's video? Go to Ludwig's video for that, they're 2 different people obviously

[@SECRET-qb8qq]

Follow Ludwig second channel

[@SECRET-qb8qq]

twitch.tv/izzyfr4l

[@trashcan1288]

its crazy how people call carlos getting fired form g2 as cancel culture like he didnt cost the company millions of dollors

[@urbainleverrier1]

I love all these dramas surfacing up recently like a kaijuu showing up from the depths of the ocean because I get to watch people like you and Charlie react to it

[@derrickwn18]

Gonna be real. The Chess boxing announcement and Magnus/Hans drama is almost perfect. Im actually hyped for the Chess boxing event!

[@MercuryLyfe]

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[@xTylerJames]

I am still waiting on the day we see these two collab. Now that would break the Internet!

[@MercuryLyfe]

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[@ultra_exists]

we saw that notification where's the video Madge

[@dinofish67]

very nice to see mogul mail logged into ludwig’s youtube account. really shows how close of friends they are

[@daniwlr9106]

Scary how Ludwig has never been in the same room as Mogul Mail 😟

[@TheLonelyMoon]

@i better call of my dad coming back with milk?

[@ankoftheA]

It's the old Pewdiepie and Felix Kjellberg conundrum

[@CaseyTyler357]

This has been an insane week. Thanks for the recap! Can't believe people would mistake you for Ludwig, though, you're obviously much funnier than that guy.

[@MercuryLyfe]

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[@GiganticPawUnit]

"Emiru calls CodeMiko fake as fuck" well i can't argue with that, she's literally playing a cartoon character

[@GarryFPV]

She’s quite literally the least fake of the vtubers since her modal is mostly based on herself and she’s on camera irl all the time.

[@MercuryLyfe]

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[@WanderTheNomad]

Interestingly enough, I feel like having a mask can sometimes allow you to be your true self.

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

@@GarryFPV least fake vtuber Lol

[@odeliahandy7991]

@@WanderTheNomad wow that's deep

[@MIKEZGAMER-g8b]

It stops when you quit lookimg at it! Drama KING, i thought Ludwig was more intelligent!

[@melissaq8854]

I disagree about removal being extreme for the CEO in the first drama story. IN the gaming space everyone should feel safe and having a CEO who runs groups you may go against openly supporting Andrew tate can make you feel very uncomfortable, because what does that say about their views and who they hire on

[@TheGrimRaper.]

quit being such a wuss lmao

[@kahssie]

+ he cost the company, literally. We are talking millions in shareholders who were disatissfied w his behaviour and left. Even if not a moral one, they had to make him step down to retain their shareholders

[@Casperr]

The fact that the new Abroad in Japan video came out over 12 hours ago at the time of recording and you still hadn't watched it is the real big drama here

[@alexandrebelair4360]

Why would anyone want to watch those boring ass videos?

[@Tory-JJ]

@@alexandrebelair4360 Why are you allowed to breath our oxygen?

[@XDGamerMusic]

i love your videos bro ❤

[@honeyfrog8986]

This month has been crazy in twitch and it’s oddly satisfying seeing greedy people going downhill

[@Me-ui1zy]

Pretty sure a lot of greedy people did very well off of the drama lmao

[@muditupoda9827]

Just wanted to ruin ur 111 like ...hehe

[@torisu_exe]

this drama has been filling a succession-shaped hole in my heart

[@simonjohnston9488]

It's pretty gross seeing people be entertained by the fallout of the cover-up of sexual assault.

[@Swope00]

@@Selfinflictedhummusrocket bro what

[@fluffffycat]

4:40 OMG mogul money isn't ludwig its KANYE WEST !!!

[@mikellamont18]

I think it's interesting how in the live stream minx did where she said the SA accusation was only for clout, when talking about coverups she said that's not even what Mizkif is trying to cover up...so what was that then????

[@imorvit]

I love it when lud deletes a video before anyone can watch it

[@grabe1556]

It's crazy that Mogul Mail and Ludwig Ahgren are both hosting chess boxing events at the same time! God these guys sure are alike huh

[@SpeedHunter020]

Emiru doesn't have anything to do with the drama directly, but she lives with Mizkif. People were speculating OTK was making her stay quiet. She was kinda forced to stream and make some kind of statement. It'd be very strange if she continued streaming like nothing happened. People would have questions because she lives in the house with Mizkif and CrazySlick. She had to say something. Of course, she had nothing to add to the story. It happened way before she became a member of OTK, and it's not like an organization spills all its secrets to you when you join. She was aware something happened, but took the explanation the public was given at the time. So she had nothing to add to that story. The only thing she could comment on was how she was doing. I think it was crappy how everyone was trying to analyze her stream and say she was faking it. She wasn't involved in the drama, but it was directly affecting her life. Of course she'd be upset learning her friends were monsters/creepers. I like xQc, but he was absolutely shitty about it. As for the CodeMiko thing, Emiru is relatively young, so maybe she's a little naive. I know some people keep work strictly for work and don't make friends at work. And some people like having friends at work; it makes the work experience more enjoyable. I'd say CodeMiko is in the former camp and Emiru is in the latter camp. CodeMiko is like 7 years older than Emiru is and it's usually older workers who keep work strictly work. Emiru seemed genuinely upset to me. It'd be very embarrassing to just bawl out of control on stream and I don't think she wanted that. A key point she made that everyone seemed to ignore was that she was upset that CrazySlick was given a second chance when he should not have been. I can agree with that, but that makes the Mizkif part worse because he was the one providing that second chance. Emiru seemed to have a hard time reconciling that part.

[@charlesm.2604]

Brother, Emiru is 26 let's not act like she's some inexperienced teenager. Not only that but she has been in the industry for 6 years while Miko has only been streaming for 2. She knows how this shit works. Miz knows how this shit works. LSF clippers are now talking about Code Miko.

[@fluffycone6723]

These videos should also be uploaded to Spotify as "short" podcasts!

[@MercuryLyfe]

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[@frozenbolt9829]

We have the the worlds best detectives on this mogul mail Ludwig case.

[@DanielFlailed]

Magnus is a great friend for helping a short little streamer with an event

[@phoenyck]

"How's it going, all" not "How's it going, boys", proud of Lud for building up that female audience

[@bl0ssum143]

can confirm as a member of the female audience

[@wormlington]

Who’s Ludwig? This is mogul mail.

[@justsomekirbowithoutamusta1852]

Disappointed, women and our non-binary mates are boys, too

[@ratedpending]

don't know a lud i only know a mogul mail

[@gdogsgdogsgdogs]

I smiled when I heard him say “all”

[@sathyamsharma6971]

Regarding the SA, W take my man. The clear respect, empathy & morals you always show is why we love you as a streamer. Love to see it

[@morgue01]

you know there's a lot to cover when one take jake had to delegate his duties to five take freddy

[@FreekoTravis]

Well atleast it's just mogul mail quiting, we still have Ludwig atleast

[@spicyryne23]

Being blinded by friendship is a real thing my friend robbed a store and I straight up lied to a cop about it felt so guilty but he was my friend and I didn’t wanna see his life get ruined but now I realized he needed to learn a lesson at the time

[@marinvuksanovic1988]

The kanye reference with emiru killed me

[@iamgoo]

Wow that was a smooth cut at 1:48. Top tier editing

[@LittleMsInk]

Honestly, my issue with the Twitch drama as a woman is that ALL THE TIME abuse allegations are downplayed by people in the content creator industry yet zero people with any actual reach or platform talk about it (except in cases like this, where it was initially Trainreck mentioning it for self-serving reasons imo). The size of this story is the exception, not the rule, and I don't think you'll see similar issues within the space get addressed seriously anytime soon. One case for example that always bothered me was Wubby downplaying the abuse Sabrina faced by another content creator (Gus Johnson). Wubby did so in an extremely gross fashion on stream, yet people still treat him like he's never hurt a soul whilst also in the same breath condemning Miz. I love MoistCritical, I think he's great, but it did hurt to see him cooking with Wubby whilst also condemning Miz within the same week. I know Charlie likely doesn't know about what Wubby did or the extent, and I don't blame him for not knowing something, but it does perfectly convey my overall point. These stories conveying the frequency of issues like this do not get picked up in most day-to-day examples, and most people just simply don't know. It's great to care about the abuse Adrianah faced and to want to do something to make it so she can get the support she wasn't given when it happened. However, is the standard we're going to set that we only start caring about abuse and protecting abusers when a male streamer mentions it? Prior to then, it was just something only a few people care about? I just dislike that dynamic intensely. It feels like the takeaway that 'abuse is a consistent problem and not an isolated incident' is lost on most people. I hope this energy to hold such people accountable is maintained not for drama’s sake but so abuse victims have an easier time dealing with it when it involves people within the public eye and more importantly *being believed.* As for the example referenced involving Wubby, there's a Nickisnotgreen video (a friend of Sabrina and former friend of Gus) that does an excellent job covering Wubby downplaying the abuse Sabrina faced, i'd recommend it as the entire thing is too long to get into in this already long comment and there's no way I can convey how serious this topic is and how this very much isn't an isolated incident with just words.

[@theblobconsumes4859]

I fully agree with everything you say here. It's tragic how much these things continue happening.

[@Sarah04527]

This is very well worded. I agree with everything!! I am nervous but hopefully that this is a sign of change for how these things are handled/reacted to in the future

[@buchstaben-suppe]

can you link the video? i would like to give some engagement :)

[@Android480]

A 10 mill mistake would get many, many CEOs fired

[@sdetkin]

When mogul mail is on yt, he is logged into ludwigs account. More evidence that mogul mail is Ludwig

[@Account-kv3jc]

Bless your heart for dropping videos for your graveyard folk. My lunch is in 6 minutes and I now have something to entertain myself

[@MercuryLyfe]

GOLUM. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYiTk3aMrdedeKc

[@layk]

Wrap it up Ludwig? Nah. This drama will never end.

[@cowboyoctopus2738]

Whos Ludwig

[@sushi_17]

@@cowboyoctopus2738 i want ludwig and mogul mail to collab, add ludwin to that and it's gonna be the best crossover ever.

[@slatx1]

He's not ludwig bruh

[@Alexm0321]

Did you not watch the video he’s clearly Mogul Mail

[@cowboyoctopus2738]

@@sushi_17 thats what Im sayin

[@Hi-zn6lf]

I can’t believe people mistake you for Ludwig when your clearly mogul mail.

[@Nachtness]

that's so nice of Mogul Mail supporting small creator like Ludwig by mention him in your video

[@AI_Ghostwriter]

I love Mogul Mail. His raw unedited footage combined with his effortless coolness reminds me of original Ludwig before the fame changed him.

[@mangiwetterrence1766]

I dunno what's up with Drama Alert but yah... I love the basic delivery of Mogul Mail/Ludwig and Moist Critical/Charlie

[@DiamondSRL]

Now guys, we can only dream to see Mogul Mail and Ludwig in the same room. We got pewds and felix in the same video, i think we can do it

[@peonies-]

I really never knew he did these during the livestream. Impressive ludwin

[@DethInHFIL]

Ludwin? This is Mogul Mail

[@Thiccjimbobway]

i hate andrew tate but carlos didn't get fired just because of him, he got fired because he chose to hang out with him and doubled down on being around him. he's dodging accountability even after being let go

[@thatsludichris3932]

Like 4 different people ik in 4 different friend groups all watch you to keep up to date with stuff, love the good stuff

[@atljacksonlive]

nah if lugwig did the news the news would have the best records on tv since the late 1980s.

[@TheTitaniumSamurott]

Damn Mogul mail and Ludwig must be great friends, Ludwig even let Mogul mail borrow his KZbin channel to watch videos!

[@ilovebirds23]

i think its time to reintroduce professionalism and holding higher ups accountable for acting in ways their subordinates would be punished for but they arent. i don’t really feel that bad for a rich guy getting fired for being dumb and unprofessional when no one would care if it wasn’t the ceo, that could be just me tho.

[@sw4mpy]

Exactly. Kinda rubbed me the wrong way, what Lud said. Shouldn't matter if he "made them who they are" or whatever. If the CEO is willing to associate with a horrible misogynist (and potential sex trafficker), then I feel like that could affect the rest of the company and possibly create a bad workplace culture, like with Blizzard. I think G2 made the right call, and I don't think a hypothetical future where they're not top 5 should be what makes them throw away morals and safety.

[@henrylo6773]

You find that weird? What's weird is how he criticized the CEO way harder than Miz and Maya who werent just associated but who had a hand in downplay. Lud and QT turn me off for saying nothing about it (even joking about it) but being the most vocal preachers about meToo stuff.

[@iPancake3]

If I knew my boss was an Andrew Tate fan/supporter, I would not feel safe around him and would be concerned for anyone working under him. "Oh no, they'll make less money!" Who cares about some big companies profits if it means giving power to some misogynistic asshole?

[@qinram]

Personally, I don’t hold people accountable for who they hang out with. I don’t think someone should lose a position for hanging out with someone. If it turns out that they are a terrible person, then of course fire them, but it’s just odd. I live by the philosophy to not judge people except by what they’ve done to me because I find myself happier when I don’t hold people to societal status. Now yes, there is a huge difference between sex trafficking and being a normal jerk, but I still think it’s weird for firing the ceo for that.

[@eunnikins]

Yeah, it's not just about "feeling" safe & heard, having someone like that at the top of a company actually impacts culture in the e-sports industry and who gets to be a professional player. If Carlos *really* cared about the future of G2 he would have known why it was harmful. I think sometimes Ludwig may not notice how male certain spaces are and some reasons why that could be. Something you can laugh off to one person is a potential threat to another. But I appreciate him being honest about it because some people wouldn't say that publicly, and it is good to know someone's history before the newsworthy moment.

[@lilfroozy]

4:29 nice kanye reference lool

[@ItDitry]

Hey I like some of the Gaga songs, what the fuck does she know about cameras 🤨

[@rennaaa6667]

Hey man, i never really watched you on twitch, wasn't even a follower, but i love these videos! Proud of you, keep it up.

[@exalt.]

Never thought I’d see Ludwig quote Kanye but here we are

[@Nuttist]

I saw that cut. imagine being a 2 take tony

[@harrywitz.mp4]

i feel like i am always most impressed with streamers like lud and hasan when they speak so effectively about such hard topics. just random, obvi youtubers like mogul mail do this really well too as seen in this video

[@Dayman420]

I consider myself borderline r*tarded and my ramblings are more coherent than anything I’ve heard Hasan ever say, effective is the last word I’d use to describe him 😂

[@akshay4107]

Hasan isn't coherent. He takes one hour to make a point.

[@DethInHFIL]

Lud? This is Mogul Mail

[@matoozxzo2026]

Hissan🐍

[@northernnaysayer1240]

@@Dayman420 good job no-one asked. 💀 Jokes aside, if you're struggling understanding the simple stuff Hasan goes over I'd recommend just getting some basic college textbooks on sociology, economics and politics just so you can follow basic news coverage. I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say we all believe in your ability to learn basic concepts so you can at least follow what Himbo news bring to us.

[@DatRollingOre0]

This year we might aswell get a drama rewind ….

[@DatRollingOre0]

@UC77B60S5nNmgaoipvE5IVrg hell yeh

[@Hideyoshi1991]

and in this year's top 12 most dramatic moments, coming in at number 7, allegations were levied at several streamers of a sexual assault cover-up?... Before we get into the details, make sure you're Subscribed and remember to ring that bell and Smash That Like Button!

[@Sensugoi]

Actually not a bad idea..

[@daniwlr9106]

Still not convinced that Mogul Mail isn't Lugwid, would like them to collab to show proof

[@SahilFR]

100% sad how a video (or picture I forgor) got a person's career entirely gone

[@alecsmall]

"Mogul Mail Out" is a game changer. I will watch every new video in anticipation for those three sweet words. Very excited for the new content.

[@Jichlin]

Great stuff as always Mogul Mail! My favorite internet drama channel

[@simonjohnston9488]

Saying Carlos' sin is being friends with Tate is extremely simplistic. It's much more than that - surely nobody needs it spelled out.

[@OopsAllFrench]

This did not age well unfortunately

[@buchstaben-suppe]

@@OopsAllFrench oooh what happened? i smell new drama leaked

[@irangrymom]

I don't get how he can talk this long without needing editing. Next level lud.

[@deatheater6222]

This isnt Ludwig,what are you talking about?

[@nunothedude]

I can do that too its called streaming

[@Surfordie]

This is one of the few thats actually edited. At 2:25 he started talking about a false report that Riot is making him sell his shares in G2 but cut that part out.

[@user-sf9gs2pg1b]

I think it’s because he’s used to live streaming. I completely agree though, I was very surprised at how good he is at talking like that.

[@matoozxzo2026]

You are All so unfunny WOW

[@Jyang.11]

This is such a problem. Every time someone says this isn’t me on something like this “Ludwig/Mogul Mail” it gets me confused & I’m just thinking “what’s the reality?!” 😂😂😂

[@seeps9353]

Ludwig and Mogul Mail should team up with Charlie, Moist Cr1tikal and penguinz0.

[@ThatOneGuy-qj1vh]

There’s no way that you could be Ludwig despite a video going up on his channel saying it was meant for you for some reason

[@ThatOneGuy-qj1vh]

Also he’s sucking up to Ludwig in the description which is a little strange must be a big fan

[@Lucy_Heart03]

Plot twist: this is Ludwig evil twin brother Peter.

[@justinjpagan]

Lud you should start making playlists of series of news/related videos so viewers can have easier access for first time viewing or rewatching

[@nmxsanchez]

I think the g2 thing is a tragedy. Who cares if he parties with tate? I don't like tate but he's not a hitstorical German autocrat

[@cjchazy2539]

“How’s it going all” instead of “boys” was jarring to hear

[@Uns0mniac]

Ultimate crossover Ludwig, Mogul Mail and Ludwin

[@austinkentner1771]

Don’t worry mogul mail, your channel is growing quick and maybe someday you’ll be big enough to collaborate with Ludwig!

[@lokinorsea456]

Lol Lud’s Emiru take is spot on. Like why get involved? You see how messy this has been, you’re literally only opening yourself up to trouble, which she did. It’s the exact position Minkx was in, just DONT defend bad ppl just bc they’re nice to you!

[@NoahFabbs]

people would have shit on her whether or not she said anything. kind of similar to pokis "pr voice." poki would have gotten the same amount of shit if she joined in on the screaming match.

[@dekuwashi]

Because people were literally spamming "omg Emiru was friends with Slick so either she knew and was hiding it or must be victimized" and were literally losing their mind on LSF and shit, so she probably felt like she HAD to say something. Also considering how much Miz helped save her from a dangerous situation and she opened up to him about being an SA victim she's definitely in denial about Miz being a bad guy.

[@kaktus9258]

Ludwig I know you usually do alot of research on the topics you talk about but I'm surprised you completely missed the mark with one statement in this vid. Emiru has something to do with the drama because some people/viewers expected her to leave otk due to what happened but according to her she escaped some form of abuse or stalkers by moving into the otk house where she felt safe for the first time in her life but as it turned out one of the friends she made was a creep living just under the same roof as her. She talked to him about very sensitive struggles she's dealt with (even ones similar to what slick was accused of) and he always reacted with empathy hiding who he really was. I agree that many if not most streamers involved in the drama or not are milking it for clout/views but emiru is absolutely not one of them.

[@shishi8706]

I was surprised he didn't mention that but he *possibly* could've meant not directly involved in the incident like Slick, Miz, Maya, and Mitch. She wasn't pt of OTK during that time and may or may not have a biased view of the situation due to being close to Miz. Not invalidating how Miz helped her out throughout her career and personal life but it would be better for her as a noninvolved member of the case to not comment on someone's innocent/guilt until the investigation is over. Emi lashing out in Miko's chat when Miko is just speculating/commenting on Emi's behavior on her stream wasn't a great move but I also get it bc Emi is under emotional distress abt the whole thing

[@diddlebop7481]

Also pretty ironic that Lud complained about people talking about it and instead of just saying that and moving on he starts to get into it too.

[@kaktus9258]

@@shishi8706 i totally agree with you, emis message towards Miko was very emotionally motivated (although miko was unecessarily trying to get involved imo but that's besides the point) and I think emi defended miz out of pure denial of who he really seems to be since they are/have been close

[@DethInHFIL]

Ludwig? This is Mogul Mail

[@guitarsolos89]

Never watched Emiru's streams but she always struck me as someone who just want to stay out of trouble and drama.

[@franciscolaurean8550]

Can't believe people confuse mogul mail with Ludwig when mogul is more handsome

[@luvmelxs]

thank you Mogul Mail for the update on the drama

[@Greenadine0]

Carlos leaving G2 is something that should've happened like 8 years ago. Him leaving is a good thing

[@AhriHentai]

Because?

[@Greenadine0]

@@AhriHentai About 8 years ago he hired one of the game analysts of Riot (LS) for a coaching session for G2. They came to an agreement that he would be paid for it, but he was never paid. LS was ofc pissed and gave proof of them agreeing to paying him, but instead of doing so Carlos started saying on stream that LS was mentally ill, and was being homophobic towards him (LS was already openly gay at the time). Carlos is a very toxic guy in general, and doesn't deserve the position he has been in for all this time

[@Camzlive]

Best channel on KZbin. Love it man.

[@supakritpulmanausahakul1650]

Not like that guy Ludwig who is copying Mr Mogul mail’s set

[@Magic_Squid]

@@supakritpulmanausahakul1650 Stole his mic thing, hairstyle and lights and got far more subs smh.

[@GoufinAround_]

If you're the CEO of a company, you're obligated to ensure that you keep the company and its brand looking good in the public's eye. If they can tie back to losing that massive Valorant spot back to that video with Tate, then the company would not be doing their due diligence by just turning their head

[@funkle2645]

yeah why tf did he say they went too far, now I know Ludwig would vote to keep that scumbag CEO in similar situations

[@henrylo6773]

He should drop the topic if he can't criticize Miz and Maya the same way. He had more words for a CEO who was doing his thing with an alleged SA (SA without concrete evidence mind you). I dislike the Tate guy as much as the next person but if Lud and Qt keep on preaching MeToo (even go as far as to say evidence shouldn't be essential in an accusation for MeToo because that's the point of the movement) then they should keep their money where their mouth is.

[@xjun91]

I'm pretty sure hundreds of CEOs have been hanging out with Epstein yet none of them were cancelled. However one single night with Tate and boom you're gone. Now tell me between Epstein and Tate which one is worse? Also don't forget everything Epstein did has been proven while Tate allegations hasn't been proven yet.

[@eliashaapala6859]

The internet is crazy. You cant party with people that the media doesnt like lmao

[@TrueOracle]

@@eliashaapala6859 yes, if you party with Putin then I think you should get some flak.

[@xxminecrafterxx1266]

4:42 " i like some of the Lady GaGa songs, wtf does she now about cameras "

[@poolist]

Ludwig and Mogul Mail would be the BEST collab on KZbin history

[@hippowafflesify]

its gone so out of control. especially the other streamers reviewing it again and again. I'm kinda glad some people have stopped talking about it. Just wait for the investigation, let the authorities deal with it appropriately and then they will fix it amongst themselves. I hope the yard, fear& or even mogul mail do an interview with kai cenat and their community someday, its amazing seeing him break records on twitch recently.

[@vextor1603]

yeah honestly, hope hasan can sue for the toilet damage...

[@mrperfecttakesakarobloxmon4217]

Yeah that would be nice but Everyone with half a brain Knows that there are 0 Authorities (or Any Valid group with integrity) Actually looking into the Allegations. There probably won’t be any Legitimate reports on the situation. So we can’t really blame anyone like Destiny trying to look deeper and figure out what Actually happened and Who’s at wrong.

[@biancadias7618]

Saying Ludwig is Mogul Mail is the same thing as saying PewDiePie is Felix. We all know they're two sets of twins split at birth

[@greglane334]

I get where Emiru is coming from. She wasn't directly involved in the drama but she spent a lot of time with an alleged abuser.

[@dwayne8798]

She had zero reason the to do that stream expect to protect her friend / business partner

[@flaviusarcadiusvibes]

Can't believe you got away with saying "the skinny of it" twice.

[@Kuupidds]

Its so nice to see a bigger channel like Mogul mail shouting out the smaller creator like Ludwig