The SU-34 has the CRAZIEST FLIGHT MODEL in the GAME! 180 TURNS like nothing! - War Thunder DEV

[@play_dude192]

Can't wait for all those Su-34 dudes crashing in sim mode during dogfights.

[@flyinghigh8914]

Neither can I 😂. Especially in Afghanistan map 😂

[@jonroelofs20]

lol rip all the keyboard players

[@LordDarthVader2004]

They will change this flightmodel. I AM sure IT isn't supposed to do that

[@play_dude192]

@@jonroelofs20 i'm personally fine with keyboards.

[@play_dude192]

@@flyinghigh8914 Afghanistan is a nighmare. I remember first time playing there on Buccaneer. Couldn't even leave the field with full bombload.

[@meteorwt2122]

If anything, this certainly makes me exited for the Su-33/30 flight model

[@spacemane_official]

Su33 aint as cool as su30 ;) seen them both life

[@meteorwt2122]

@ do you mean the thrust vectoring versions of the su-30? Or is the su-33 still heavier

[@thatoneguy1741]

Same but US mains gonna get them artificially nerfed again

[@TheDAWinz]

SU-33 is just a heavier SU-27S lol.

[@meteorwt2122]

@@TheDAWinz well the su-34 is an even heavier su-33

[@TheJackSilence]

"The Su-34 is so CRAZY...LOOK AT THIS MANOUVER!!!" *lands in water 😀

[@1Night__Knight]

😢

[@TheJackSilence]

@@1Night__Knight that was funny 😅 the plane is crazy

[@1Night__Knight]

@TheJackSilence Yeap. This plane is funny! If the EU starts to complain about Gaijin and Su-34 getting nerfed again... It will be very offensive and unfair.

[@alwinfrisk1482]

@@1Night__Knight What? You think a single aircraft can just turn on the spot irl? Its literally impossible...

[@francothebrazilian2764]

Does anyone now how mat switches to full control in one click?

[@zero_strategy]

Sadly the Su-34 isn't over performing it is the Mig29 and the Su27 that are under performing

[@Yea.IGetHectic]

" MY MISSILE BUS JET ISNT PERFORMING LIKE IT DOES IN AIRSHOWS" It performs pretty damn close...

[@mexle_96]

​@@Yea.IGetHecticthe energy retention is is garbage compared to real life and I the mig29 can't pull nearly as hard as it should the shitty radars are realistic tho

[@TheDAWinz]

@@mexle_96 Google the SU-27SK aircraft flight manual book 1, open that, take the SU-27 out into sim, cry in shock and horror when the charts line up exactly how it depicts them.

[@TheDAWinz]

MiG-29 is performing how it should, its the F-16 in comparison thats overperforming at critical AoA.

[@Arrozconpanne]

​@@TheDAWinz According to the numbers both the Su-27 and MiG-29 have way too much drag compared to real numbers an the MiG-29 has too little aoa

[@sihgalaxy3846]

4:43 experiencing 47Gs is crazy😰

[@Russão000]

Next Update: Due to US mains Cry the Su-34 Fighter-Bomber will be nerfed until it losses a Dogfight to a B-17 Flying Fortress

[@2goober4u]

I miss the mig-29 flight model

[@F-14-W]

@@2goober4usame

[@issacfoster1113]

We're already dominating for 3 years now, I feel sad for Russian mains tbh

[@sotsnek9850]

@@2goober4u maybe one day they'll give it its true flight model again, instead of this artificially nerfed one, if US mains can complain enough to get it nerfed maybe we can complain enough to get it fixed

[@ichosolemanuel6048]

@@issacfoster1113 nah, before fox 3 update a few months ago russia had the r27er which was completely unfair compared to aim7m

[@Theratsnatcher]

cant wait for su30 and 35

[@jonroelofs20]

once we get those dogfighter monsters, there wont be much dogfights in ARB.. maybe some in sim once in a while

[@britishbred52]

gimme my typhoon

[@Theratsnatcher]

@@jonroelofs20 i mean f18c and Rafal and ef2000 can match the su30/35

[@Rorywizz]

@@Theratsnatcher definitely, i feel like they will mostly be equal unless they are stalling out in which case the su30 will be slightly better because of thrust vectoring

[@vidbobanec8384]

Why wont they fix the fkin su27 fm😭

[@TheDAWinz]

because its literally 1 to 1 to the SU-27SK manual and aeronautical charts. The only problem is the bleed of its speed but the only fix is behind a restricted document. Take the SU-27 into sim and take out the charts and you will see it is correct.

[@vidbobanec8384]

@TheDAWinz I think the rate speed is way too slow, but if you want the proper speed you need to bleed more energy, which is a huge issue for the plane... It has around 240% increased drag in a sustained rate fight than it should be... I think a guy called "migthuder" did a video about it and a guy posted a comment saying what I just did, but he actually verified it

[@lazer2238]

@@TheDAWinzwe have real videos of it pulling 9gs and not losing 90% of its speed in 3 seconds.

[@sharcc2511]

@@TheDAWinz "Its literally 1:1 the only problem is its not right" lmfao. Speed bleed is a *massive* issue of the FM and would help it hugely if fixed.

[@Someguy12796]

​@@lazer2238no we don't. First of all, that would literally break, no shatter the laws of physics (especially thermodynamics) and in airshow it bleeds speeds very quickly even doing shallow turns. Remember it is a very large plane.

[@ale69420]

The 34 acts like the 27 should act right now in game. Imagine when we get the Su-30-33-35

[@M0LOCK]

"Nose pointing" capabilities of sukhois aways were superior only in WT a F16 can beat a flanker in 1C at very low speeds...

[@Optimusprime56241]

lmfao hell no buddy

[@kerotomas1]

Gaijin nerfed the Gripen’s mobility 3 times just to release this. Lmao

[@Chapelron]

wait till su34 pilots hear about energy retention

[@flybird4629]

4:10 fun fact, the Higher AOA you plane have means your plane is highly unstable. The Canards makes every fighter to have a lower stability, wich means overall Higher AOA. For example: Kfir C.7 vs Mirage 2000. The Mirage 2000 is winning most of the Dogfights, but the Kfir still pulls a sick ammount of AOA due to his Canards that sometimes it can do 360° obviusly most of the times you try this you will: "🛩️💥"

[@thebigwagyu]

Yes, it’s intentional instability

[@angelnunez6476]

Funnily enough the Kfir wins dogfights against mirage 2000s almost all the time unless they go vertical. Even bagged an F-16 because he refused to leave the dogfight and by the time he tried rating he was too slow to escape guns so stalled trying to go vertical right into a perfect shot.

[@flybird4629]

@@angelnunez6476 add me and try me, M2K vs Kfir C.7 RazgrizLea, thats me

[@angelnunez6476]

@@flybird4629 Deal. Mines strangesine8841. Life’s very good at killing mirage 4ks too :)

[@yoesoef4902]

All new vehicle in dev server always like that, flight model like crazy, but different in live server then

[@lars9966]

finally the canards are moving correctly

[@Avationplane777]

I wanna see this vid updated when thrust vectoring is added lol💀

[@Thiago--de6ez]

3:52 U can avoid goin into a flatspin if u press the pitch up button again after it starts goin back to where the nose was originally pointed. When the Su30 is here its gonna be really interesting how they are gonna model the TVC, one thing is they have to give the option to enable/disable otherwise you'll be falling off of the sky most of the time in a dogfight, the nose will point wherever u want to but that will cost all of your airspeed.

[@Armata6348]

They need to add G Limiter because of aircraft like this that pull way to much AoA. (Like a hotkey where you can disable and enable it.)

[@pestomystic]

Doesn't even have TVC yet. The Su-30SM and Su-35S gonna feast I think...

[@Acidl]

Loool can't wait for the proper thrust vectoring jets to be added.

[@Mezedak1]

try doing a kvochur bell with this crazy thing

[@Rorywizz]

i wonder if the 4.5 gens like the eurofighter, rafale and f-18 will be coming after next update

[@yazi_b0i63]

In theory the F/A-18 hornet should be capable of this kind of flight too, like the Su-27, but knowing gaijin, they will probably implement the hornet with realistic wing overload physics that will make them break if you put too many G's on it like in a cobra.

[@a.m.k101]

sometimes some extra weight can improve maneuverability especially if it brings the center of gravity closer to center of lift.

[@guimbitencourt]

Expectation: do a 180 flip, fire a missile and get the enemy down. Reality: try to do a 180, crash into the enemy.

[@GG2Gaming]

I suggest that gajin adds a new binding for the override aoa cobra system instead it being full real controls and change full real controls because in sim su34 will become almost impossible to fly hope everybody reads this as it might be the difference for the mig29s and su27s to be actually good and start to see these jets start to win more in fights

[@kajmak64bit76]

There is SAS mode... you need to use it on damping or else SU-27 can't really be flown in sim You can disable SAS to Manual and then you can pull a lot more...

[@code6499]

@@kajmak64bit76you can use full real.. just adjust your trim so it doesn’t nose up aggressively

[@kajmak64bit76]

@@code6499 pointless because SAS mode exists and is mandatory to be used

[@code6499]

@@kajmak64bit76 not pointless at all just be gentle on the stick and you won’t do a cobra every second you pull 😂

[@kajmak64bit76]

@@code6499 or you can use SAS and you can pull as much as you want because the plane is now stable no matter what

[@D4nger_CLO5E]

Now imagine an Su-30SM or Su-35 with their Vectoring Engines 😯

[@brokenpenguin-ob4gr]

If that heavy thing can do that image a su37 whit trust vectoring and canards

[@YoRHaUnit2Babe]

honestly I can't wait to master the rudder even more on the MiG-29 and Su-27 designs to do even crazier shit on this one

[@Arocksy]

I’m waiting for a trust vectoring aircraft’s.

[@Und3rpr3ssur3_Gaming]

Can't wait for gaijin to add the Su-30 because this would be common gameplay. XD

[@lowkey724]

Just wondering how crazy it would be in arcade difficulty.

[@wongarnold2879]

Literally draining all his energy in one turn.

[@philiposten2803]

Idk why they don’t fix mig 29 smt model and the SU 27 before even adding Canards to the SU 27 flight model with the 34

[@TallyPatka-dz2cz]

Turn the fly by wire off as well

[@observador.555]

If this SU-34 had an HMD it would be good

[@AZ-dj1ni]

The pilot model have them

[@G3ntl3man95]

and gaijin opinion this jet have "Decent flight performance." and for phantom ice enter in game sayed good flight performance soo....gaijin in drunked or what? its really realistic a ground attacket win in airbatle vs mig29 and su 27 what are designed to be best in dogfight....

[@Dciu]

We going Ace Combat with this one 😂

[@AEX87]

and how to go to full control at once, skipping simplified control, etc?

[@britishbred52]

my only problem is that it turns my engine off

[@pugthug3163]

It has nice pull, but the energy retention is a bit poor, so don't freak out while fighting it, just play the long game

[@miromadrid4641]

Thanks for your videos guys because you post these videos and USA Mian cry then gaijen nerf it to the ground

[@BARelement]

Get ACE VIPER in that thang

[@francothebrazilian2764]

Does anyone now how mat switches to full control in one click?

[@matawg]

its not one click im just clicking really fast haha

[@tacotvgaming6639]

Wait....is that vapor waves on the wings or am i crazy i fr havent noticed it lol

[@wrenchmonkeygames4864]

i call this maneuver , the whopper mig-21 that cant do shit in 1 v1

[@Dart-One]

bro didnt saw me in j10

[@jomni]

Is this plane in the Su27 branch or the Su24 branch? I haven't been researching the bombers so I have a loooooooooooong way to go.

[@MeNamesPoshOpossum]

Su-24

[@jomni]

@ thanks. A lot of grinding for me then.

[@Todd_357]

its nose heavy thats why its so unstable

[@Cooper180]

can you do a tutorial on this really cool cobra manuver that you did in 5:46

[@Kinetic31]

Full real controls and hold s

[@francothebrazilian2764]

@@Kinetic31 Do anyone now how mat switches to full control in one click?

[@Kinetic31]

@@francothebrazilian2764 he doesn't do it in one click he quickly presses it 3 times

[@lasteagle2940]

I don't know what else you want, the cruise missiles have been removed and now you just want to weaken the movement.

[@GeneralArmchair]

I'm sure gaijin will decrease the AOA and triple the drag before release while buffing F-15E's engines.

[@sidtasker2937]

No R77 for Bison and we Riot

[@sweJEverywhere]

go ahead wallet warrior

[@TheKaMeLRo]

shooting down noob F-4S in current BR is kinda already fun.

[@sidtasker2937]

@@sweJEverywhere mate I’m level 80 I have the USSR and UK Tech tree grinded out

[@sidtasker2937]

@@sweJEverywhere I have over 900 battles in the bison

[@CruLisP]

​@@sidtasker2937lmao level 80 grow up wallet warrior

[@xxblackyxx901]

When comes the update to the live servers

[@VogxelFPV]

Ok so all you need to do is take it two circle

[@wartheunderbro]

I think it should have a HMS

[@Acelafan2030]

When is this update coming out

[@stringzzzzz]

Little do people know the j10 can literally do a backflip

[@Frost_x_NB]

I’d say the flight model needs to be tweaked a little bit but it is justified.

[@mich421]

This plane needs hmd

[@Paulinator-nh7ev]

Never had one

[@GeneralArmchair]

@@Paulinator-nh7ev There are conflicting claims about that. Arguably this version of the particular version of the F-15E shouldn't have one either.

[@ClankerWanker]

4:22 well yes you won that because you came from underneath

[@bnhvan]

This thing defeated 3 patriot missile in Ukraine

[@fischkopf3561]

Its funny that they showed a Patriot shoting a missile on a su34 in the Trailer and it also survied in the trailer

[@PHENOMAS_YT]

Ace combat in war Thunder

[@Mahazu.]

Might I ask how you swap to full controls so fast?

[@kraktor7368]

Is there a way to turn off this virtual joystick, when in full real control, playing on pc

[@Falseffort]

meanwhile: JF17 on release

[@werewolvedragon]

mat idk if youll respond but when u enter the full real controls how did u get rid of the giant circle with the dot? ive always had it with the giant circle and it always levels out your aircraft and its somewhat annoying. im not sure how to change it to what your using

[@ScriptDogeloll]

crazier than the f117 in full real?

[@ЭдикфуфикФуфик]

we need SU30SM3

[@Янус_Ырт]

Can't wait for it to be nerfed to Su-27 level

[@sooryan_1018]

Next patch: Su-34 has been nerfed till it matches the FM of Pe-8 due to US mains concern

[@topaz2821]

Idk why people are amazed by this thing. Sure, it can pull insane AoA, but it’s really not great in a prolonged dogfight.

[@50KV57]

youre gonna get it nerfed like the groms got nerfed...

[@maxosaurusrex9575]

Try it in Arcade 😅

[@NilsNeras]

this dude is yapping as allways lol

[@gaiofattos2]

SU-34 seems lighter than the mig-29 and su-27.

[@PotatoBreadYum]

cause gaijin didn't fuck up the fm yet.. watch it not even be able to pull 11 g's in live version

[@MeNamesPoshOpossum]

It’s just the canards that make it pull more

[@relentless4o]

compare this to the grippen

[@MoisesMartinez381]

And the Americans new F-15 doesn't get new engines

[@igorlopes8638]

No realistic rwr bcs its a game, but full realistic control is ok in rb 🙏

[@Destined619]

Hey Matt how do you get that square radar screen I’ve been trying to use it on the su27 sm but I can’t find it

[@Elaina_The_Ashen]

Go to options and select air battle options. I’d advice against using the square though, it’s no good as show position relative to nose (like when the regular sweeps left and paints an enemy you can tell just how far left it is but the square one you can’t tell much at all how far over it is.

[@Destined619]

@ thanks

[@mythology1986]

This is silly canards arent magic they do not work this well

[@STRYKER1467]

The craziest fly model nah... its correct for the very first time but then again its for a fighter bomber instead of a multirole fighter jet, which is sad.

[@DrClef_1]

Matt please. Videos like this are the reason why russian flight models change so much. Its as fine as it is, stop it

[@prokadetgaming4745]

Finally a russian plane that not get nerfed instantly :D but just need to wait for us main cry's then everything will be changed

[@joaquinsalahel-din5810]

Sorry to dissapoint you Matt but in my oppinion pre nerf Mig-29 was the crasyest airframe ever, i mean u could outratefight the block 10 F-16 without even trying our using smth like the offset 2 cirlcle. But to anyone beliving it will stay like this the su34 will get nerved anyways on realease so dont be to hyped.

[@garlic5065]

You really could not out rate the f16

[@myffical.]

How would the j10 fair against it? Also is china getting something like that? Or their j15/16?

[@lazer2238]

The J10 is literally better if you play smart and not one circle it all the time. This it’s cobra is a gimmick that doesn’t work as much as you think it will.

[@myffical.]

@ right right cause I haven’t played since update before j10 was added I am thinking of grinding it out but I can’t be bothered to get that 410k I don’t wanna get anymore prem time or talisman a plane

[@1Night__Knight]

This aircraft is based on the Su-27. It can do similar tricks and maneuvers. You have the F-15 as a fighter, and the F-15E as a bomber. There is almost no difference between them.

[@spookygulag9342]

Pls don't bully Su34 , we finally got good looking jet which doesn't succ , letc all love it (He-he johns get fucked Air rb is now under Soviet control SURRENDER TO THE RED FLAG)

[@TorstenP-cq4gl]

Dogfighting in this thing won’t work because like every Russian plane, has to have some terrible drawback, the drawback being a lack of proper HMD so good luck using this thing as a fighter 😒

[@cainmcdermott8121]

Does it not get hmd 😢

[@Redragonytb]

The flight model is surely fucked up like the F-15I or the squadron Chinese plane. I think so cause fucking hell if it’s like that then the USSR tree will be the most op shit with mig 19s SU-27s and the 34 💀

[@ToogaLaSueSauce]

Is this realistic ?

[@mythology1986]

No its not you can look to things like dcs and see planes like the SU33 even with canards cant just pull cobra maneuvers over and over again like in war thunder it stalls out immediately and takes awhile to recover unlike war thunder canards arent magic

[@ToogaLaSueSauce]

@ I didn’t think so. This looks very weird to me

[@TheDAWinz]

@@mythology1986 DCS, and especially the FC3 modules like the SU-33 are not realistic in the slightest. For example, the SU-33 has SPO-15 which it never used in service (it had no RWR until the L150 entered service). SU-33 and SU-27 in DCS are further from the real FM than War Thunders.

[@mythology1986]

@@TheDAWinz the flight models themselves are the most accurate we can get, in war thunder currently i can do a cobra immediately off of takeoff in the su27sm and not fall back into the ground in a stall, there are huge problems with the flight models of these planes in war thunder and/or low speed thrust just somehow making the plane not stall

[@TheDAWinz]

@@mythology1986 Lmao the SU-27 in DCS is the least realistic you can get. Take out the SU-27SK flight manual book 1, and compare the 2 aircraft in SIM/DCS. DCS is farther from the actual flight manual than War Thunder's SU-27 by far. And if you refuse to do this or take the word of people who have done these tests themselves with the primary sources, then you are simply arguing in bad faith.

[@Gurubashy]

yes, it loses more speed than mig 29 and su 27 combined at every turn. Such a nice plane, flight model top notch

[@Gurubashy]

I wonder how the real life Su 34 in Ukraine managed to dodge 3 patriot missiles going only 399 km/h while manouvering. Such a realistic flight model man I can't believe it. Better than DCS I tell ya.

[@patriktoth6258]

​@@Gurubashy They were guided by ground control and outrunned 2 missile while the 3rd only managed to damage the comm system on the 34. Also there was a 4th missile,but that one got intercepted

[@Gurubashy]

@patriktoth6258 they did but you can hear the pilot pulling high Gs, meaning they are turning. If we try to put those same turns in war thunder the su 34 will be so slow a patriot would get tho it in no time.

[@patriktoth6258]

@@Gurubashy They dropped all their ground ordinance. Su34 literally exhausted the Patriot by manouvering. Thats what i meant when i said they basically outrunned the Patriot

[@Mit-dr3zj]

It's funny how in this game pilot can lock missiles through plane in close combat (dogfight). Pilot even don't have such overview. The only plane that have such capabilities in close combat it's F-35 and maybe F-22.

[@Pradatoru]

This is more of a disadvantage than a advantage 😂😂

[@costmceleoy4531]

Do not try this you will flat spin

[@crimzonempire4677]

Meanwhile my F-15 at 600kmh AOA AOA AOA AOA AOA STALL STALL STALL Me: is this a fucking joke F-15 in sim can’t even handle a 45* bank angle Without screaming AOA which isn’t so much an AOA issue But war thunder has some of the worst flight models I’ve seen Especially after they nerfed the F-15s mode to begin with Like it’s a fucking fighter jet Somehow can’t handle a Sustained mod bank angle going 600 Without stalling or giving a fuck about AOA? I’d get if I was going maybe 250kmh But even then with acceleration on 100-110% throttle That shouldn’t be an issue Ugh just so frustrating Trying to dogfight in the thing Is interesting because of this issue Now Let me clear this up I’m not taking about yanking on the stick for a sustained high G turn I’m talking just 5-6 turns lol

[@yuanfurbax]

Stop exagerating it doesn't a 180 not even close to easy

[@kurnass2000]

Dont get excited USA mains wont let something be better then the garbage F15 so SU34 will get artificially nerfed

[@Sabre613]

Ussr players are becoming the very thing they complain about. All you do is “cry” about us mains “crying”. 😂

[@aax960]

@@Sabre613 you know why? because its true. they artificially nerfed the fm of the mig-29, su-27, removed r-73 and added r-60ms to mig-29 (which it historically couldnt even mount), and never gave the smt/sm its uprated engines because they cried so hard

[@Sabre613]

@@aax960 It’s true for every nation in the game man. US planes are also constantly nerfed and don’t get me started on the French aircraft in wt.

[@TheDAWinz]

@@aax960 The Mig-29 entered service before the R-73, how could it "not mount" the R-60M when even basic deduction would tell you it could? Not to mention the fact its listed on its weapons manual and a simple google search will show you mig-29s with R-60ms.

[@aax960]

@@Sabre613 nope, US/sweden aircraft are overperfoming. F-16 can pull 42 AoA sustained (???), f-15 beats out su-27/mig-29 in both 1 and 2 circles. JAC-39 gripen overperforms by 130% SEP value, even after nerfs. i agree, the french have it really, really bad. it cant pull and turn as well as irl but loses speed at the same rate, kinda bs

[@allessiobuonfiglio6702]

People trashtalks the mig-29 and su-27 for being realistic even tho they can still perform very well in the meta It’s not the plane it’s u that sucks

[@ICECAPPEDSKY]

I had mig 23’s and Mig-29 players calling me a cheater because I beat them with the damn F-111

[@Optimusprime56241]

@@ICECAPPEDSKY most skilled mig fighters lmao

[@banalnapato10]

“It only lacks HMD” Yeah, gaijin will add that soon to maximize the bias it can give.

[@pugthug3163]

It loses speed quickly when turning and has short range missiles for the most part, just rate fight it or outrange it

[@banalnapato10]

It’s gonna destroy ground rb like what the su-25sm3 did

[@pugthug3163]

@@banalnapato10 Literally just use jets against it

[@banalnapato10]

@@pugthug3163 easy to say that when russia got their 18km spaa missiles while leaving the other side with max 12km missiles. Not to mention rwr’s gonna get nerfed and su34 got 6x kH38 that it can dump 8km away from the furthest NATO spaa missile reach. The usual russian bias treatment. “Just use your jets” LOL

[@pugthug3163]

@@banalnapato10 I have the Pantsir, it isn't hitting things reliably past 10km unless the thing is flying straight, and if that's you, then skill issue.