The Sudden Disappearance Of Cynthia Anderson

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A young secretary mysteriously disappears- was it murder or did she flee?
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Any truck is a food truck if you’re a cannibal

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#postmortem what is your guys favourite seasons and why? :)

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# Post Mortem look into the unsolved murder of Dino Bravo

[@rt616]

for the postmortem: what’s your favorite shake shop? like do you guys like sonic? if so, what’s your favorite shake?

[@arsonstanworth5806]

For post mortem: snakes, yes or no??

[@mrs_rover]

"How embarrassing is it to murder with your brother" just made me think: Mom said you have to take me murdering with you

[@Jade-ih2mk]

mom said it’s my turn to use the knife

[@aggiebooth3908]

mom said you have to share...so let me have a go with the knife

[@mayo597]

mom said you can only go to the back alley if you take me

[@bagel5056]

I am now randomly thinking of a comedy sitcom where they're a normal family, but they're also serial killers lololol

[@ghostiee272]

Mom said it's my turn to gouge out the eyes so give me that chopstick

[@laurenboerger602]

“We’re not Comedians, we’re just a** holes” iconic

[@dragonlord588]

should get that on a shirt

[@cordeliaeble4442]

I read this as “we are not canadians”

[@jakirebecca6461]

@@cordeliaeble4442 depending on the situation, this could be accurate.

[@watermelononachair1076]

What's the difference?

[@yadsewnde]

This episode has some of the funniest quotables for one with such eery subject matter imo.

[@anoushkab1079]

Shane’s style is slowly but surely seeping into Ryan’s

[@LB-fg2ph]

It’s like a...slow possession perhaps? 👀

[@mikaroni_and_cheez]

@@LB-fg2ph shaneifications

[@LB-fg2ph]

Miki Kuhl it’s happening..

[@mikaroni_and_cheez]

@@LB-fg2ph the horror

[@atme365]

Shane so aggressively confident in being a weirdo that it's contagious

[@marthabuchert8271]

Anyone else get the heebie jeebies and, honestly, feel a bit sad that Cindy’s father only describes her as “quiet and obedient?” Like not, “she was amazing” or “had a great laugh, always smiling”. The most remarkable thing to her father was that she didn’t question him? It just doesn’t feel right to me, at least.

[@LUTfam4]

Yes! Super creepy 😳

[@cumologist2654]

there's people in the comment saying that its normal and not weird and im like "no??? thats creepy as hell"

[@Zeppelin616]

He was a fundamentalist Christian, many of them view women as subservient and as having less value than men

[@redactedimage]

Yeah that definitely struck me as odd. I was raised pretty religiously myself ( my parents were never big sticklers about it it was mostly my granny that made me attend church ) so it just set off a red flag for me.

[@andreawilliams2421]

Maybe he did not like the fact that she was becoming a "debutante" and focused on her looks and saw these as a threat to the family he has built. Maybe he saw that she wanted to see more of the world and she was less interested in the church. Not saying that she gave u[ but that she just did not want to be so involved. I am not saying that the father had anything to do with her disappearance. It is creepy that he was so focused on her being focused on her looks. Then again we do not know the whole story and everything that the father said to investigators. We are just hearing bit and pieces. Like the boys said I really do hope that she just ran off with an hot heathen, lol! Maybe due to the stress of living under such strict conditions. Maybe she just saw her life narrow like a tunnel and she wanted to branch out like a tree. I am really wishing she just ran off with the "hot heathen", lol! Also living life comfortable and stress free.

[@papayaa2514]

Its actually nice to hear that her coworkers seemed pretty concerned for her safety and had extra precautions for her in case something happened. Sad that all that wasnt enough :(

[@lxrk_8083]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYe4iJhraMd7mpI

[@Chlrintruc]

The world was ans still is a crazy and dangerous place at times. 😔

[@sd8911]

If they were as concerned as they appeared they wouldn't have left her alone at the office period. Could've been a way to cast doubt on a "stalker" when it was really someone from her office. Lawyers know how to cover things up.

[@RH-tv9hk]

Except that they're suspects in her disappearance

[@jjeuwichou2735]

@@sd8911 their life doesn't revolve around someone they just worked with you know. Maybe if her family is concerned about her they would be with her or hire someone to be with her.

[@watermelononachair1076]

The moment I hear a parent describe their child as "obedient" instead of well behaved, I already have red flags going up in my head.

[@MiuXiu]

Obedient definitely gives off a negative connotation in regards to the parents. Sketch.

[@llammb]

They’re a super religious family and I can say from being also in one that “obedient” comes from being obedient to god, like you have to be as obedient to your parents are you are to god so parents of those family’s don’t think of that as a negative, kinda sketchy word

[@mr.frenzy7304]

@@llammb well to be fair..if u think about this kind of situation and it's 80's btw..alot of young women just runaways with there lover if ur family is over strictly and controlling ur life

[@watermelononachair1076]

@@llammb That actually makes sense, thank you.

[@sarahl.5748]

Fr. I thought the same thing

[@ye-average-artist3890]

"Her father described her as a quiet obedient girl." *Me:* now that is a very uncomfy phrasing-

[@aldousrex605]

Bc of that part right........

[@dragonmaid1360]

Isnt it though?????

[@laurakastrup]

@@dragonmaid1360 sounds like he had a “good time” with his daughter... Would be on par for this show

[@kommandantgalileo]

perv

[@catoboman7817]

Eww wtf does everything on the internet have to be sexual ?

[@elizabethlanda5320]

Honestly, the way her dad said that her spending time on her face may have “contributed to her going missing” makes it sound like he murdered her because he didn’t like how she was acting.

[@Kenzie3767-x4i]

Exactly what I’m thinking.

[@jellybeanboy]

"She's wearing a lot of makeup! That's why she went missing!" Isn't a statement that makes sense, so I totally agree with you

[@yeahyeah9869]

or it's because she was an attractive woman and some stalker kidnapped her because that stalker was infatuated with her

[@kordellswoffer1520]

It does not.

[@cosmic7336]

@@yeahyeah9869 still not her fault tho

[@franktherubberducky]

-"Mom I'm going out on a murdering spree..." -"Take your brother along with you Tony."

[@jwinnard]

Needs more likes

[@storywala88]

Ha ha, lol. Sounds like a creepy murder movie or a parody

[@ejsantiago2016]

I'm sorry but I laughed too hard on this 😆😆😆

[@mollymcdade4031]

“Mom said it’s my turn on the knife”

[@sewkrazy]

“Take out the dawg, Jimmy”

[@jimskeuh]

I feel like Shane and Ryan are like moderately smart but when they’re together their brain cells cancel each other out

[@VivianWLumbley]

very accurate assumption. 😂

[@anyablake6253]

who isnt though?

[@jguil0030]

Copied

[@madisonstewart7872]

It’s the “my brain cells are allergic to yours” dynamic that I love about them lol

[@joliebuschlen341]

I’m pretty sure it’s a green screen so the chairs aren’t physically there lol

[@Bookworm045]

Cynthia disappearing herself also makes the “coincidence” of the book being open to the kidnapping page seem like more of a red herring that she planted herself, which is pretty cool of her!!

[@mineshawn8960]

I guess I should run away now... imma live on a island

[@eleanorgouldie9355]

Yeah I thought that, like it probably something my 15 y/o self would've thought would be mysterious and cool to leave behind

[@chachaguillotine187]

Ooh that's a hot take! I like it!

[@internetsapphic8568]

I'd say she's a genius

[@the-decaying-poet5840]

the moment you refer to a human being as 'obedient', particularly if that person is your child, I think it's time to reevaluate.

[@user-oh5gz4ue6r]

huh? a child most often benefits in being obedient to his parents. it's a good trait to have, it displays respect for authority and humility.

[@lwanco1018]

@@user-oh5gz4ue6r Then call them well behaved, obedient sounds like what you'd maybe call a pet, not a child. It's especially strange that it's one of the main things he mentions about his daughter. Not things that made her individually unique and likeable, that she followed orders.

[@user-oh5gz4ue6r]

@@lwanco1018 obedient only sounds bad nowadays, an older person doesn't really hear that word the same way you do. again, a child being 'obedient' is not a bad thing

[@summeraprile7599]

he also called her a wonderful daughter, literally in that same sentence, and spent the rest of his life looking for her. i have no doubt he said that to show that she wasn't the type of girl to run off or get into trouble, as when young woman with "troubled pasts" go missing they are so often dismissed as just running away.

[@kaemincha]

talk to every fundie ever, they think the highest compliment to a women is to be obedient to God and her husband or father. not out of the norm in that community, sadly.

[@HeyitsBri_]

You just know the lady formerly known as Cynthia is watching this with a glass of wine like, “Yup. Too much church.”

[@crow5326]

😂

[@uglybetty8747]

*church church church ⛪*

[@AirQuotes]

I hope so

[@siobhan-rae]

I hope she’s doing well somewhere

[@hiimriann]

she would be in her 60s now right?

[@jordanwilson8218]

The fact Shane demanded Ryan have some respect for Auntie Anne's sent me.

[@amia560]

can't blame him, auntie anne's is like church in chicago

[@maddiemarlenemakeup8372]

Effing same 😂

[@heynasol5914]

Not enough people are talking about this lol

[@magsvots783]

Rodriguez: “I killed that lady” Judge: “wow.....anyway”

[@catsandcaffine3635]

Anyway chile 🙈

[@alind_.432]

um chile anyways so-

[@DemetriusMoret8291]

@@alind_.432 you called?

[@ttechnikk]

uhhh 😻cool 🐸anyway 😝

[@AkhilRS47]

Oh no! Anyway

[@vasuyadav2931]

If we believe the running away hypothesis, then her leaving the "abduction" page open on the book left on her table begins to make more sense than an actual abductor taking the time to flip to that particular page while abducting someone.

[@Cicadicsaint204]

Amazing deduction! Not unless the abductor is Moriarty to have theatrics, then that page makes a lot of sense if she did it herself and ranway.

[@InitialPC]

or maybe thats exactly what the kidnapper wants us to think!

[@abhinavbaviskar8008]

yadavbrand

[@madiebenson3892]

I was thinking that too! Plus telling people she was having dreams of being kidnapped and killed, then leaving the page open to that.. Hopefully she was just trying to get out of a bad situation with her family and is happy now

[@BR-jt6ny]

postmortem: You didn't actually mention that her running away is also the best explanation for the book being conveniently open on the abduction chapter. As you said, it would have been really weird for a kidnapper to go leafing through a novel for the most appropriate page.

[@erinmckenna605]

I was just about to write this! either that or it was a crazy, last ditch effort on her part to tell police that she had been abducted. or it could have been fully a coincidence I guess but that's way less fun

[@matewhatthefuck6516]

@@erinmckenna605 My thoughts as well

[@rowanelizabeth24]

Exactly, especially considering that she told people that she was having nightmares about this exact situation happening, which kinda sounds like she was planting the seeds in peoples minds to think that that's what happened to her when she eventually left. Seems to me that she saw those words outside her window and realized there was a convenient way for her to leave without a trace.

[@SuperSubzero999]

My theory, if she got kidnapped, the kidnapper could be reading this book, which lead him to follow the events of that book, painting that "i love you" sign and once he got to the abduction part, well he followed it, also dont forget she recieved those calls, problem is, there is that other guy saying he painted that message for different Cyntia

[@AishiteneLove]

But also, a woman who is terrified of being abducted might have a plan to "tell" people what happened to her, so it's also possible that SHE left the book open to the abduction to let people know that she was taken.

[@TheSecondVersion]

Shane: "Maybe she met a guy with a lot of money" Just saying, she disappeared 9 years after a certain DB Cooper jumped out of a plane with bags full o cash

[@lolnothxyt]

Brilliant

[@pins-and-needles9308]

She’s catching all the money as it rained down.

[@nachoman6984]

I love how it Hass to be specifically nine years after he jumped out of a plane

[@forestdriscoll3755]

And thus the shipping wars begin...

[@lisamorrow2734]

This comment is everything

[@acommonbagel2936]

It wouldn't be an unsolved episode if shane didn't hypothetically talk about killing ryan

[@zazaishere]

lol

[@mandalortemaan7510]

Eh he could've done better by explaining how to hide a body

[@AI-gl6gs]

“Hypothetically” yeah, sure

[@sillygirl_444]

or mentioning hating church/god lmao. he’s a demon for sure

[@theallmightymars1]

LMAOAOA

[@revievenger7209]

The guy who painted the “I love you Cindy” said it was meant for another Cindy but they said earlier in the video that Cynthia was the only Cindy that could have seen it...

[@hradipati3560]

exactly, and why paint that RIGHT next to Cindys office window. It’s just doesn’t make sense, it’s weird.

[@revievenger7209]

I know right. And how did she get out of the office if the door was locked from the inside. Was there a vent or something that they could have in fingerprint tests on?

[@itsmalv7365]

He could have painted the wrong window but then he did it again so that's impossible

[@JacksonYT198]

@@hradipati3560 it could be a coincidence but it doesn’t seem like that.

[@cfor8129]

It's a strip mall, just bc no other Cindy's worked there doesn't mean there wouldn't be a Cindy who regularly walks that way

[@EdwardElricLuver1]

As someone from Toledo, there were rumors that her father was sexually assaulting her and that she had confided in people of the church and no one believed her. So she fled the state and hitchhiked up to the UP to start a new life. Not much traction or evidence of this. I heard it while attending the University of Toledo. My grandma went to church with the Anderson family and always told us that their family was a bit odd. She also felt that they didn't do very much to look for her after she disappeared.

[@Allthingsasian]

@Dom Koyuki money and car can be traced back to you

[@mirandagoldstine8548]

Really now…I got the feeling she was suffering from a mental condition and someone (or some people) helped her leave. I suspect she left for a different part of the country in order to get help and build her own life on her terms. I had not heard of the abuse angle.

[@michaelbull4344]

That s weird the family didn’t take her vanishing seriously???

[@proudatheist2042]

If that true, that's terrible.

[@kayleigh3648]

@Dom Koyuki I think ur spot on! The “I love u Cindy” messages were prolly an attempt to give the idea she had an obsessive stalker so they don’t suspect them. Clearly robbery wasn’t the motive so it had to be either an obsessive stalker or like u said, to silence. I think they took her purse to give the illusion that she ran off willingly. And I don’t think it was a stalker cuz if he really planned to kidnap her why would he leave messages with his initials? Although they could’ve been someone else’s initials in attempt to make it look like someone else was stalking her🤷‍♀️. Either way, this person or ppl did a good job at throwing the investigation off and taking the attention away from themselves!

[@AmethystEyes]

I hope Cynthia is watching this from her apartment, living her best life.

[@Mooodyyhhh]

Amen

[@ghostturtle5516]

Amen

[@lavenderandcitronella325]

Amen

[@dodeedo9824]

Amen

[@johanvajse8410]

she's in her 60's by now I hope she's in a house

[@caitlyn1182]

When the dad used the word “obedient” instead of well behaved... that creeped me out

[@eimhirmackechnie4713]

I mean if he’s an evangelist then that’s the kind of mindset they have on children - not to generalise

[@reasons6470]

Yeah anyone who’s calling their young adult daughter “obedient” is creepy as hell in my book

[@jhonklan3794]

Eh, people look into this stuff to much. If all your words were recorded im sure we would notice the odd word placement.

[@victoriaboadu468]

I mean…. obedient is another word for well behaved 💀💀

[@variamente6855]

You people look into that way too much. If you start looking into every single detail even well behaved would be creepy asf.

[@Handlehandlebandlebandle]

I am a Christian. And can tell you with full confidence. *that’s a little too much church*

[@5spec]

I am glad you are a little self aware

[@cinnatarte]

*For Post Mortem:* Did the police ever question or investigate Cynthia's boyfriend? There was no mention of him during the investigations or his concerns about her turning up missing.

[@rewfdf]

Maybe Cynthia never mentioned his name or identity?

[@Deathmastertx]

@@rewfdf You'd think he'd come forward though and we know that he was part of the church group and was planning on attending the Bible college so he should be identified or identifiable.

[@sandguardianguardianofthes2155]

@@rewfdf if her parents are as strict as they are said to be I feel like they probably would have known everything about him

[@kaepiper]

yea that’s really weird, i even had the thought that maybe he was the one making all the calls that scared her. obviously there’s nothing to back that up, it’s just a thought. but it’s odd he was never mentioned

[@mirandagoldstine8548]

Good point.

[@astrowolvez]

Gotta give the company props though, caring enough for an employee that they would even bother to install a panic button. Most places wouldn't do anything or even fire them for being too much of a hassle.

[@nerdp8469]

That's what i was thinking! Although it wasn't the most practical solution, I was mostly expecting everyone to just think she's crazy and not believe her

[@lurategh]

Ikr, I was surprised to hear that, esp for that time period. I would’ve assumed they’d write her off as a crazy female.

[@sethescope]

@@lurategh yes this! the time period is huge. as is the type of office. I'm a lawyer and I can say firmly that law offices are uhhhhh............ not always the most forward thinking places, to say the least. some lawyers and offices are fantastic, don't get me wrong! but the legal profession is institutionally very conservative, not necessarily in a political sense (although that is often true) but in a sense that we don't tend to respond quickly or dramatically to situations, if that makes sense.

[@LaLaLonna]

Absolutely especially during the 80s.

[@lecanist_GS]

I could not understand why did they not go to Police? They gave her a panic button, which means they believe the thread. Even they were a law firm, they did not choose to report it to Police. Seems weird to me actually...

[@summerallen4444]

“It’s Auntie Anne’s…have some f* respect” then it just continues on with the story. Pure gold

[@rikupiku7137]

For the post mortem: why are you sitting on blocks when there are chairs right behind you? Are they spooky chairs?

[@kaibai2636]

Lmao

[@lixyororke]

i just noticed that this episode too lmao

[@AmeshaSpentaArmaiti]

The video is now ruined for me. That’s the mystery that should be solved.

[@tieiatalks]

🤣🤣🤣

[@cb8456-y1j]

😆😆😆😆

[@Niyonestly]

Why does Shane look like he's taking different majors every episode😭😭

[@griffinharriman4596]

😂😂😂

[@sully1492]

Last episode he looked like a depressed author know he looks like a cowboy

[@krsc1506]

Archeology week with Shanediana Jones?

[@spekify604]

Put your guesses here for what Shane is gonna major in next episode. I'm guessing lawyer because of 2:41

[@senddeee1451]

Sully Madres no a starving artisy

[@Spoonman-34]

I still can’t believe their backs aren’t broken from carrying buzzfeed

[@MDLN-sf9fg]

Probs really strong people

[@courtneystiles8097]

Lol 😆 they're the only buzzfeed related content I watch anymore.

[@ae8710]

Too good for Buzzfeed

[@spicypoptarts662]

@@ae8710 definitely, if they started their own channel I would watch it

[@_aplant_]

@@spicypoptarts662 they did! It’s call the watcher

[@loui4018]

As a quite and obedient child I can tell you there’s a lot of things we keep to ourselves. I’m guessing if we have the same mindset, her parents think they knew her well in reality there’s things that her parents don’t know about. She knows what her parents think of her. Her parents judgement on her are not fully accurate.

[@mirandagoldstine8548]

Yeah. It’s why I want to believe Cynthia left after being exposed to new ideas. I think after meeting someone (who wasn’t her boyfriend) she made a plan with that person to start a new life far away from her hometown. She probably began to realize that her current lifestyle wasn’t all that healthy mentally and she realized she couldn’t convince her parents to change so she decided, for the sake of her health, to leave. She probably changed her name and might have pursued a different career path.

[@Kenzie3767-x4i]

@@mirandagoldstine8548 I hope so, I was also thinking maybe her family was upset by her “retaliation” and potentially did something. Idk there’s a lot that can happen in these situations.

[@mirandagoldstine8548]

@@Kenzie3767-x4i Yeah. I hope she’s alive and has gotten help.

[@xXAcidBathXx]

As a fellow former non- troublemaking child, hit the nail right on the head. Hope cindy’s still kicking and doing well.

[@brendatomlinson]

Yep that was me too, a quiet and obedient child with a whole lot of stuff running through my head.

[@shravimohan5672]

imagine the criminals watching buzzfeed unsolved videos with a bowl of popcorn and seeing just how close the guys get to solving their crime lol

[@ItsTonyMontanaMayn]

Bruh 😂

[@chickennuggets4387]

Are you the criminal 🤔

[@shravimohan5672]

no👀

[@maryspringer7540]

Lmao they’re all hearing the theories like really dude?

[@almu4782]

Creeps.....

[@chickadee1258]

“It’s 1981. You work at Baskin Robbins for a summer, you can buy a house.” 😂😅

[@Dimandblade]

Now you work at McDonalds for a year you can barely afford dollar store tacos

[@Whatintheworld-d7o]

It’s call the Regan era

[@TRaked]

The good ol' New Deal, the golden era. When wages were actually worth a damn. When the 1% didn't know about the slave labor sweatshops of China/India/Vietnam.

[@Whatintheworld-d7o]

@@TRaked it was when people really cared about buying only American. Now we want it fast and cheap

[@TRaked]

@@Whatintheworld-d7o Well, to be fair, "American" back then was super cheap, as well as the international options (e.g. a Chevy vs. a Toyota). You could very much get things for "a dime a dozen" Today, "Made in America" costs an arm and a leg (either financially or time-wise), while Chinese products are a dime a dozen (only figuratively, unless you're looking at the cost of bread crumbs).

[@Yurr851]

Why is no one talking about the fact that Ryan and Shane are sitting on wood blocks while having two chairs in the background

[@jwinnard]

Oh wait ye they do I listen to these like a podcast / radio so I don’t know where they sit XD

[@joscenes]

Lolll

[@523FILMS]

Because that’s the hipster thing to do

[@queendiscombra]

Thank God someone else noticed

[@leedent7260]

Covid

[@Davanthall]

“Also, this is 1981. You can work at Baskin Robins for a summer and buy a house!” As a 31 year old millennial currently in the process of trying to buy a house myself, I don’t think I’ve heard a single piece of audio on the entirety of KZbin that made me experience more seething anger than that one.

[@jlgrizzle7186]

As a gen-z thats in her late teens and planning things like that at the moment and realizing I’m kinda screwed same here

[@ella17734]

It's quite an exaggeration...it wasn't that cheap or easy to buy a house in 81', but I hear what you're saying.

[@galacticbreadboi9796]

@@jlgrizzle7186 as a fellow gen-z planning to move out asap- this also pisses me off

[@WhiteChocolate74]

Ehh you don't want the interest rates of the 1980's

[@Erinator9000]

"Sounds like a terrible place to work" *glares into the camera in buzzfeed*

[@lizsimes3455]

underrated comment

[@Kazoo_Itchy]

Ahahah

[@Anipue]

THE SHADDDEEEE

[@frostyskeletons8950]

I hope Watcher keeps growing and they can leave fully. They deserve it!

[@gint.6633]

@@Anipue hey Harry, big fan

[@panipoori4311]

Ryan: Actually attempting to solve the case Shane: *CHURCH CHURCH CHURCH*

[@threesackofpotatoes]

😂😂😂that part killed me

[@DeinosDinos]

to be fair any church is too much church for a demon so I get where he's coming from

[@dashacasciero5371]

Omg when I got to this part, I busted out laughing even though it's 1 am and everyone in my house is sleeping. 🤣

[@brey1720]

🤣

[@brey1720]

@@DeinosDinos lmao 🤣

[@griffdale1556]

Theory 3.5: she got a phone call that morning and it scared her into leaving, couldn’t handle the stalker any longer and started a new life because of that and her parents strict nature

[@MrCool-zv8ul]

Sounds legit

[@tilinapple]

Maybe the phonecall was from her dad

[@storywala88]

Sounds quite legit

[@daburgerbandit1598]

Honestly, I really like that theory. Running away with a lover somewhere wouldn't explain the scary calls she had been getting, but this idea would.

[@gmaildiscord8336]

And she purposely turned the book to that page to make it seem like she got kidnapped? 🤔

[@Xplr42]

I’m honestly glad they installed an emergency button at her desk. Her coworkers cared about her. Now a days people would dismiss it and say she was being dramatic.

[@becaboo-dv8dp]

As someone who goes to church, still gotta agree with Shane on this one: that's too much church.

[@blackrose25555]

Also a regular church goer/ religious person and I totally agree. That church had way to much control on someone's life.

[@trinityj134]

i go to church too and that seems overbearing to me. forcing religion down people’s throats is not a good sign.

[@trinityj134]

@I made Pumapunku they also did youth group, church sports, church swimming, and other church days

[@feliz5919]

@@trinityj134 As yet another religious person, I agree.

[@nautikient2151]

Cause youse are going to the wrong church

[@prince-of-water]

Somebody: "I killed that person!" The police: "No💖"

[@Idkwhattoputatp]

Why doesn’t this have more likes?

[@abbiaca-3288]

I believe criminals that are going down for a rather long time tend to lie about crimes to get something, like some people claim more kills just to get more attention and would admit to any murder put infround of them. Some claim to have information about a high profile murder to get a reduced sentence ect. Someone admitting to a murder has something to gain so I would never trust them. The Des case, that guy would make up victims to send the police of a wild goose chase for his own entertainment.

[@chrisp7110]

Yeah I noticed this is a trend with alot of criminals. They would confess and there is no proof. I remember there are so many people coming to the police with "I am Jack the Ripper" or I know someone who is Jack the Ripper and so because of cases like that, they would ruled it as a no unless there is clear evidence to show that it is possible.

[@lolwut6635]

@@Idkwhattoputatp It's got 1.2k likes

[@エレダー]

it's like Among Us, try to be a good murderer

[@-.DIO.-]

"If I went to church that much, I'd kill someone." Shane really IS a demon. The most powerful demon.

[@bartolomeufroy4795]

He's not wrong tho

[@boombabyjones8768]

Thank you for pointing this out

[@astrideatscaca]

😳 coming from Dio-

[@whataboutantelabbit1419]

he said that because he knows he'd be incinerated if he was in a church that long

[@Rmry_Gryffin]

Great value Mark Zuckerberg demon

[@hugocardosoveloso6769]

Her running away makes the most sense: strict household, creepy father, a stalker... Only have 2 things throwing me off: 1- The nail polish remover scent: Why would she do her nails? It honestly sounds more likely that the scent came from chemicals used to wash something... possibly blood. Rather then she just decided to take do her nails out of a sudden. 2- How would this woman, with almost no cash, be able to dissapear in the middle of the city? She didn't take her car so she would need to walk somewhere, take a cab, public transport, rent a car, how would she do this without being noticed at all? How did she get a new identity? Get a new job somewhere? All without ever being noticed? If she really did run away... she's a goddamm genius and Im impressed

[@AtraeaIthil]

Nah shes been kidnapped i think. They use nailpolish remover to put on a napkin or something and press it in their face to make them lose consciousness. Thats why there hasnt been sign of struggle. It was probs that cleaning man, she didnt suspect him of anything, he attacked het from behind with it and just took her. Thats my theory tho. But i hope yours is the correct one haha

[@arii6135]

@@AtraeaIthil i agree and the cleaning man would know exactly where he office was to easily put up the i love you thingy 🤔

[@ingridaguero6460]

Those 2 things are pretty easy to explain. 1) do you have any idea how boring it is to be a secretary? You do things to pass the time. Also there are people walking around you at all times caring or cleaning things. The smell could’ve come from them. 2) it’s the 80s. People were still high from the 70s. Plus no cameras, or crappy ones at least, won’t really do much. If missing person didn’t come out right away people wouldn’t even know who she is. Also, a simple change of hair could solve that problem.

[@ancs1231]

@@AtraeaIthil nail polish remover (acetone) pressed to your nose doesn't make you pass out lmao? thats chloroform

[@ancs1231]

i dont think it was actually nail polish remover but some kind of cleaner with acetone since the smell is distinct

[@opticalspider7003]

They kinda ragged on the company for their precautionary measures but it’s more than a lot of jobs would do so consider me impressed

[@halehalehale]

Especially in the year 1981. They did more than most companies would do today I think.

[@opticalspider7003]

@@halehalehale exactly like imagine how much installing that button cost them for an employee they knew was leaving soon

[@no_peace]

I thought that too, comparing it to current day companies One time i went to view a townhouse and the landlord asked if we had any weird ex boyfriends or anything because he didn't want to rent to someone who would have a guy outside disturbing people or messing up his door

[@paperheartsnreal1s]

Definitely. Even telling her to keep the doors locked during business hours. They were actually concerned for her safety and did something to make it a more secure place for her to work

[@victoriamahon3765]

Exactly which is why I think they got rid of her themselves and did it to cover their own rear ends and make themselves look sympathetic to her. It would’ve been very expensive to install something like that and back in the day you could hardwire alarms to police departments directly so there would’ve been no reason to hardwire it to another business instead unless they wanted to be sure the police were not summoned. Totally think one of the attorneys or someone on the inside of that office took her out. And I think the phone call after the fact was just someone trying to cover their tracks. And throw off the investigation.

[@yazminmercado5075]

I think it’s possible that she was actually being stalked and threatened, and that she “disappeared herself” to get away from the stalker

[@inthemaze7441]

Another good idea !!

[@trashedeggnog3858]

same idea!

[@gpaderx6105]

Nicee

[@leelee353]

that would make that phone call she was scared about make so much more sense!

[@ebullience4647]

And she might have left the book on the table on that page to make it seem like something more sinister was going on, when it really wasn't.

[@rigobertogonzalez-serrano4436]

Did she ever clock out? imagine all the overtime pay if she didn't.

[@princessnini4273]

😹😹

[@lydiarose2259]

Cynthia walks up after 40 years: “hey I here to pick up my check” *smiles with grabby hands*

[@LindaC616]

@@lydiarose2259 Did you hear of the 2 guys in Seville, Spain, who got caught after about 20 years of never reporting to work? It was a couple of years ago

[@BelaHetaRus]

At a certain point it becomes job abandonment and she wouldn't qualify for OT

[@hansonel]

That was all part of her plan- millions of dollars in overtime. Payday baby!

[@goodguynow]

I don’t understand why they chose to sit in uncomfortable stumps instead of the chairs behind

[@maetodecember]

It's Buzzfeed Unsolved so you know.... We may never know.

[@nousername4125]

maybe social distancing? idk

[@bodeboop-6360]

@@nousername4125 I thought that too, but also... why not just move the comfy chairs farther apart 💀I guess it will remain unsolved

[@avisarkar1534]

That's what you don't understand?🙃

[@Ammut6]

Because it'll attract more comments like yours.

[@sydnegernaat195]

"Quiet, obedient girl" "Very attractive young woman who may have caught the eye of a passer-by." "Spending a lot of time on her face." 2 minutes in and I'm already uncomfortable.

[@garnerday7149]

Right? Why does that make me uncomfortable? Is it the misogyny? It's probably the misogyny

[@ivy4177]

@@garnerday7149 it’s definitely the misogyny

[@liak.6778]

It's understandable how she got to dieting and using makeup. Most of the girls I knew, myself included, who grew up in religious households where our lives were dictated by church and church activities eventually busted out and tried all the fun stuff we were never allowed to have or try. What I hated the most is Cynthia's father saying that makeup and dieting is why his daughter went missing. Not all sickos care if a girl is wearing makeup or watching her weight, they're just looking for someone to do terrible things to another human being.

[@joshentertainment2]

How can you call that misogyny

[@cocoacrow]

@@joshentertainment2 insinuating that her paying attention to her looks got her kidnapped is weird and victim blame-y, and the way they describe her is just a lot of "good girl" stereotypes that almost always fail to represent the whole person and are usually just people around them projecting their own ideas of what she should be onto her without looking further into her character. Basically just mirrors a lot of other situations that have lots of misogyny and it sets off some alarms in the back of my head.

[@skeletonizer9529]

Love that the dad was basically like "She started wearing makeup so that's probably why she disappeared"

[@daisyjoy242]

What does her wearing makeup have to do with anything

[@derp195]

That’s fundamentalists for you. Blaming the victim because their god wants you to look like you’re from little house on the prairie.

[@azazelvictorique]

That's kind of why I like the runaway theory, her dad was seemed to victim blame his own daughter. I sure as hell wouldn't wanna stay with that type of person

[@joka_jinx]

@@AxxLAfriku Huh?

[@daisyjoy242]

@Hannah Avila I mean the comment he made with the makeup, avila

[@sergestorms8044]

"it's auntie anne's...show some f**kin respect" 🤦😂

[@shannononeill5027]

that was my favorite part

[@tiffanyteko]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@S.B.A.N.05]

i literally paused the video when I heard this and came to the comments because ik I'd see someone quote it lmaooo

[@ghoullovinbutch]

He’s violently Midwestern, put respect on his name 😤

[@numi5138]

6:33

[@tehreemraza123]

I hope Cynthia is watching this with a child/grandchild and chuckling to herself how she got everyone fooled.

[@mirandagoldstine8548]

That’s the most likely scenario. I hope she found her true passion, a passion not dictated by her fundamentalist family.

[@battlesister1559]

I hope she is also reading the comments and seeing the supportive ones and the funny ones too. I hope she is alright and she just wanted to escape her family and the stalker

[@mirandagoldstine8548]

​@@battlesister1559 That’s my hope as well.

[@bhargavipba]

She definitely ran away. All the clues are just too systematic. The "I love you Cindy" message worked out in her favour because then everybody would suspect that she was killed or kidnapped, giving her enough time to change her identity and disappear somehow. If you are reading this Cynthia, I hope you have a good life. As Shane said, it definitely was too much church.

[@sateclipsin]

EXACTLY WHAT IM THINKING

[@iamtheaceupmysleeve1687]

She’s not just an “obedient girl” if that’s true she’s SMART and lucky

[@raymoney6503]

Why wouldn’t she take her car or her belongings though

[@sateclipsin]

@@raymoney6503 i feel like they could trace that back to her maybe

[@bobeetalmao]

I feel like that theory’s solid except for the guy who came forward about the I love cinthy sign.

[@jackosharkpie3892]

The “I LOVE YOU CINDY” sign that stayed up for 6 months reminded me for a sign I saw on the side of a barn that says “she said yes” from the time a couple got married around 15 years ago but unfortunately they got a divorce for unknown reasons a few years later but the sign is still up to this day.

[@gwendolynrobinson3900]

Damn, it do be like that I guess

[@venerandoalamaresjr.8910]

I’ll be damned if those two signs are actually connected

[@deadliest_angels]

That made me sad

[@deadliest_angels]

At my old high school at the old wooden bleachers on the bottom metal bars, there is a message that a couple left that was from 2008. Made me think about where they could be now.

[@robinmcinarnay7827]

The guy comes forward (eventually, years later) after 𝘍𝘐𝘕𝘈𝘓𝘓𝘠 bagging him a Cynthia to solidify this alibi!!

[@cry_stain]

"She disappeared almost 40 years ago!!" Oh so like the 60s or something? "The year is 1980" :O! Goddamn time flies

[@parkersairpods]

I THOUGHT THE SAME THING

[@RocioCeleste.89]

SAME I FEEL SO OLD

[@fatehahmad93]

I thought ur name was Cynthia lmaoooo

[@frostyskeletons8950]

@@fatehahmad93 lmao, I love the idea that Cynthia was watching and was like “wait....it’s been HOW long?!”

[@vishred2899]

I can't believe that 2010 was 10 years ago. Perspective of time is so messed these days

[@clementinekitten8305]

i'm really caught on the smell of nail polish remover hanging in the air. acetone can be used as a cleaning agent to dissolve hard to get rid of stains and scuff marks, as well as as a degreaser. i once got wood stain all over my hands and had to remove it with turpentine. it's highly flammable but as far as cleaning agents go, it's really easy to get ahold of. i wonder what the significance of this was.

[@pixiestxNyomouf]

It aggravated me how that detail was glossed over like, they didn't find nail polish in her desk or the remover there? Did she have a history of doing her nails at work? Was there a janitor? If so, could that be how they got in?

[@KaoruSan241]

@@pixiestxNyomouf it could have been that maintenance guy

[@huexia_97]

@@pixiestxNyomouf If it wasnt what Clementine Kitten stated, then I have another good theory. Chloroform (the stuff you see people put on those rags in movies to drug someone) has been described to smell like nail polish remover/nail polish/acetone. If she was drugged with Chloroform, it could also explain why there were no signs of a struggle

[@pixiestxNyomouf]

@@huexia_97 you're a genius! I completely forgot about that. But if that was the case, since she set off the alarm that means she had time before she was possibly chloroform. Would that mean she had time to to defend herself (or maybe not since she focused on alerting someone that she was in danger) and possibly leave signs of a struggle

[@americalainez7998]

She used it to remove her nail polish, a woman is recognizable by her nails. Thats pretty much the last thing she did. She took the bottle with her.

[@dguiol15]

Rodriguez Jr: Yeah, I killed her. The Judge: Pics or it didn't happen.

[@user-qh6gn8lf7k]

“RECEIPTS RODRIGUEZ”

[@aldousrex605]

The Judge: That's CAP

[@KingEDZKY]

Theory 3 really makes the most sense, the fact that the book was turned on that page, she's the only one who knows that book after all.

[@yilianabadillo2247]

so true

[@sney7972]

Or she could just knock some things over to show a sign of struggle.

[@mrredlapel]

If someone stalked her they would know what book she was reading

[@puck8413]

@@sney7972 but then people might try looking for her more, because they would be sure she would be in danger

[@sney7972]

@@puck8413 people are going to try looking for her anyway though, right? .. guess we'll never know

[@Sy-cm2rs]

“Too much church” -Shane Madej 2020 No wonder the demon king / genie is so against church.

[@juliusseizure4983]

It's almost like Shane got a bunch of comments saying how funny he is and he let it all get to his head because his jokes were trash this episode.

[@1..0w0..3]

@@juliusseizure4983 I think u are a religious person, who is really mad, as he said "too much church". Cuz Shane, JUST NOW, said how he and Ryan aren't comedians and they're just assholes. But here u are, twisting it around. As if he is the egoistic one "letting it get to his head". Nice try. But it's you, who has the sin of pride, overflowing your cup's brim.

[@nanhty8321]

@@1..0w0..3 That was honestly so eloquently written you should write poetry

[@juliusseizure4983]

@@nanhty8321 This has got to be sarcastic lol

[@nanhty8321]

@@juliusseizure4983 I’m actually notoriously bad with sarcasm so no, it wasn’t. I just really enjoyed the way they wrote it, especially the last bit ‘overflowing your cup’s brim’?, that bit was real nice. Had a kind of rhythm or something to it

[@cleowithmayo9359]

Just here to note that the book page being open to that scene only adds credibility to Cynthia organizing her own disappearance. She could have read that scene, gotten the idea to stage that and then left the page open to that on the day she bounced.

[@PrettyPinkPeacock]

If she staged it, why not break things? Show signs of a struggle? And if it's not staged, how does she do it herself? Why would a stalker do it? I'm more inclined to believe it was a psychotic break reaction to the book than a deliberate fake kidnap.

[@AutomaticDuck300]

Seems more likely that it's a coincidence. Why would a kidnapper leave a page open about an abduction, even if it was from a work of fiction? I don't think he would go to the effort of being theatrical.

[@hnichole]

@@AutomaticDuck300 That's what OP is saying though. That it probably wasn't an actual kidnapper, that Cynthia may have just read the book, gotten the idea to stage her own kidnapping, and then left the book to that section to try to throw people off from the fact that she organized it all.

[@nerdzy5006]

For Post Mortem: The only reason I don’t believe the intentionally vanishing theory is because of the ominous phone calls she was receiving, and she genuinely seemed frightened. I don’t know how those phone calls would play into your theory.

[@sabcayen9814]

Yeah that's what I thought. There must have been someone she was frightened of.

[@wise_girl9388]

Unless she intentionally left to get away from the creep who was making those calls.

[@adrichungriko9784]

@@wise_girl9388 I don't think it's the best choice though... If we assume that the stalker was following her all the time i just don't see a way for her to run away from him. Especially when she decided to not use her own car. Unless she knows the stalker at that moment and for some reason able to dodge him and run away which seems a bit too much.

[@maturelydisapointingmember2699]

I went down to the comments to find this one! The purposefully vanishing theory looks good, and then theres the phone calls! Its kinda ominous...

[@bea8727]

maybe she ran away to get away from whoever was leaving the calls

[@shafiqhakimi2738]

She probably ran away. And about the quote in the book, she must've read the book already and opened that page to throw the people off

[@avamiller347]

@painttrees Good acting...? If I was running away I would definitely plan something this elaborate.

[@katherineamelia98]

@painttrees she could’ve done that as a red herring for people to think she’s in trouble

[@peytonm.2794]

@painttrees Maybe she tried to vanish because she was being stalked? If the police weren't making any headway in discovering the stalker, and it was so bad that she had a panic button, maybe she made herself disappear before the stalker could make her disappear.

[@elizabethification771]

@painttrees what does the nailpolish smell imply?

[@mmxmeASMR]

@@elizabethification771 well acetone is used in a lot of household products, including cleaning products and floor wax. It could be that

[@pallama2255]

*Did...did the father blame his daughter’s growing interest in looking pretty the reason why she disappeared???*

[@minime3550]

YEAH LMAO WHAT DOES HER TRYING NEW MAKEUP HAVE TO DO WITH IT

[@kendolandon]

@@minime3550 didn't you know? The bible says if you wear makeup, you're looking for attention and that leads to death. /s (obviously, yeeesh, blaming it on her interest in makeup is some grade a victim blaming.

[@aminatamaiga1]

Yes I agree

[@cheese8878]

I think it was more the point that she suddenly started doing things she hadn’t before (putting on makeup). I think just the fact she started behaving differently was what made him suspicious, not nesasarily that it was makeup itself. But yes, it’s totally reasonable that she might’ve just wanted to try it and her dad was... reacting weirdly? I dunno, just my opinion

[@surjozharf]

The sudden attempts to look pretty were suspicious in her father's eyes. Obviously her father knew her better than you and I do, hence he felt it necessary to mention this.

[@brettj724]

Shane dressed like he’s gonna be panning for gold

[@rughani132]

For the postmortem: I have one question: what the frick happened to the boyfriend?!?!?!

[@nyxldx]

exactly! thank you!I was wondering about him

[@anthonybenitez3958]

Oh yea answer please

[@amandapowell4576]

I think I might know: church.

[@denayysherea]

Church.

[@redwasnotimposter7676]

among us piano... kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJa5an2Ih92fpac (i am not the creator, you don't have to watch it, just want to spread positivity) 🤍💖

[@Stefania.Ferrario]

I always get way too excited when a new episode with you guys pops up!

[@kurkgamesnl3951]

Same here

[@dierlesss]

Always

[@k1mm3e]

me to!

[@sebastiantorres1750]

Same

[@dogman6687]

I got so excited i pooped my pants a little

[@EmotionalSupportBees]

Even as a Christian, I have to agree with Shane: that was a LOT of church. Cynthia might've felt smothered by the sheer amount of church-ness!

[@luthientinuviel3883]

Same I consider myself pretty religious, but too much church can be exhausting. You have to balance it out.

[@ineedabadbleep1557]

me too

[@joeysba]

@Isaac Lukose i was raised in a christian household and i agree. the whole being forced to go to church sometimes 3+ times a week was exhausting and it really created this religion trauma in me which is why i’m not religious anymore

[@seafoambeachcomb]

It's up to the adult individual how much they want to fellowship, I think.

[@ocean7889]

Same, I go to church sometimes, but that much? That would kill me

[@psychedelicpsycho]

This series needs to not end? This is what made this channel and Shane and Ryan are the best storytellers!

[@shaliekk]

As a Christian, I can confirm: That's a lotta church

[@notaccessible3741]

I too am a Christian, and yeah that’s far too much church I would loose my mind.

[@alethieamoore1606]

Yeah, same too much Church

[@lawliet2263]

Too much sex

[@jwinnard]

@@lawliet2263 ?

[@Jewelstarr208]

@@lawliet2263 huh?💀

[@IvxyzbcavI]

What if the GW initials stands for Guess Who

[@aimeea.3775]

That was a fun game. A bit racist and sexist tho

[@mangotango2404]

@@aimeea.3775 wait what

[@lays9402]

@@mangotango2404 Guess Who, it's a board game lol

[@outlaws2945]

The band? I love that band

[@carissanami5824]

@@outlaws2945 me too. anyone here love Pinball Wizard?

[@eddiej3189]

Bruh..this has nothing to do with the case, but I swear that stock photo they're using for Cynthia is my mom! She modeled in the 70s and did some bridal shoots, and remembers a dress like that. And it really looks like her smile! We're both kind of wigging out right now!

[@ajknight8640]

what a weird but cool coincidence!

[@IAmMyself3504]

Is your moms name Cynthia by any chance?

[@curseofremains1905]

That's neat as!!

[@user-hb6yd4nm3h]

Wow thats so cool

[@susanthefish8940]

@@IAmMyself3504 woaaaaaaaaaaah

[@ashleygale4815]

"We're not comedians were just a couple of assholes" no words were more relatable than that 😂

[@yamatoofredania9829]

Ryan: "Aunt Anne's" Shane: "It's Auntie Anne's. Have some f*cking respect" XD

[@elguap7200]

I lost it on this one 🤣🤣

[@Idkwhattoputatp]

I’ve always called it Auntie Annies...and no one bothered to correct me

[@puppiedog0594]

@@Idkwhattoputatp that's because it IS called Auntie Anne's 😂

[@youwilleatpasta212]

What time??

[@amateurpotter776]

@@Idkwhattoputatp SAME it happened until I said it with some friends and they were like “what’s that? you mean Auntie Anne’s” bad times 😔

[@shannontobin7825]

The weird thing is: Cynthia could still be alive RIGHT NOW if she wasn’t murdered Edit: If you’re out there miss Cynthia, I hope you’re living a happy and healthy life

[@UnknownGodOfCelestia]

I think there’s a small chance of her being alive today.

[@KWithaFont]

She could be watching this video rn

[@miikages1212]

@@KWithaFont cynthia,finding this comment: aight imma head out 🏃💨

[@MixedBeauty01]

I’m just fine

[@josieholland2386]

@@MixedBeauty01 an I oop

[@jannatulshoilee1443]

#Postmortem I'm with Ryan on this one. I think she ran away. Her father calling her "obedient" and basically saying her wearing makeup was the reason she disappeared, her family being famously "strict"....everything points to an abusive environment. Maybe she wanted out and didn't want anyone following her. Maybe she opened the book page to throw off the police.

[@wafabhayani7815]

ah yes our favorite duo: Rayan and Shayne

[@darlenetennille4383]

maybe her uber strict father "got rid" of his troublesome daughter. Her using make up and becoming more independent and her father's obit saying she proceeded him in death.

[@melaniemagolan2241]

I think she felt trapped in a relationship with her church BF, maybe had a secret relationship outside of the church, and ran away before going to bible college with her church bf. Work is bad, family is overbearing, and going to college with the boyfriend isn’t going to be an escape. Even more out on a limb: secret side-piece, non-church boyfriend left the “I love you” message, and Cindy was just scared it would cause their relationship to be discovered.

[@AtlisDe]

@@darlenetennille4383 that wouldn't align with the work situation where the door was locked still. At some point with missing persons, after so many years you have to assume they've died, unfortunately. If we were to look at the obituary, it would be to whoever wrote it, don't think that should be marked against him.

[@andilove18]

@Angel Baby also she had her own money in bank for a 19-yr old. It doesn’t look like her family was that controlling. An interview with her other siblings if they were not too young would’ve given the cops an idea of the household situation.

[@rainbow.rivers]

"the guy came forward and said the message was for a different cynthia" but... didn't they just say there was no other cynthia in that building???

[@SirSproutsALot]

I think it was that side of the building, still a possibility of another Cynthia

[@cupcakeprime559]

Cindy isn't just a nickname for Cynthia...

[@ArcanineEspeon]

​@@cupcakeprime559I can guarantee that if they found a Cindy, Cinderella, or Cendrillon in the employee directory then they would have counted those too.

[@sudinathapa3406]

*two nicely arranged chairs* Ryan and Shane: *sITs oN WoODen bLOcks*

[@laurenm7352]

They're for the ghosts to sit in

[@jorgecepedavillagran7398]

I thought the same . Guess the chairs were props

[@emiltoteb]

Came for this comment and this comment only!

[@sav1737]

@@laurenm7352 i thought social distancing lmfao

[@tjharts]

@@sav1737 I think it’s funny that they social distance in the videos but I’m positive they don’t when the cameras aren’t rolling😂 I’m not hating btw, I love em. Just think it’s funny

[@Euronius]

For post mortem: Any more details about the fact of her office smelling like nail polish? It could’ve been chloroform.

[@milesendebrock373]

Yeah that was my thought too. I'd like to believe the runaway theory, but that possibility was a bit of a sticking point for me. It would also explain the lack of a struggle, because she wouldn't have been able to put up much of a fight if she were chemically incapacitated

[@fearlessartist3457]

You need a couple of minutes to knock out someone with chloroform, if kidnapper would use chloroform there would be definitely signs of struggle. So i dont think thats the case

[@milesendebrock373]

Fearless Artist Ah, fair enough. I’ve always seen the Hollywood version that if someone struggles they’ll inhale it faster and be out in seconds, but I never researched it to confirm or deny that

[@fearlessartist3457]

@@milesendebrock373 To be honest, simple chokehold, done properly, would put person to sleep in seconds, that would be more simple than using chloroform

[@foreverinafantasy]

Nail polish remover works as a sedative too.

[@Jo-rm7eq]

for the post mortem: as someone who left a fundamentalist christian household, her father might have been able to see her bank account and figured it out if she withdrew a large amount of money, or he might have even had control. plus, she might not have been depositing all of her money in there, keeping out small amounts from each paycheck or withdrawing a little bit over time. also, the phrase "quiet obedient girl" sets off all sorts of controlling parent alarm bells for me, and his statement about her "spending a lot of time on her face" sounds like a fundamentalist parent mad that his daughter is getting "too immodest" or "too caught up in worldly things." her going to bible college with a boyfriend from the same church really sounds like they were trying to keep her within their sphere of control. i often disagree with your "they just ran away" theories but in this case, it seems like it could definitely hold water!

[@Ana-su3fb]

Have you left religion for good, if you don't mind me asking?

[@ellag3265]

The parent also mentioned that he thought her spending time on her face was one of the reason's she got kidnapped, like looking pretty lured in the kidnapper. That gives me bad vibes.

[@mitchelreimer7230]

@@Ana-su3fb its sad when people hold distain for religion because it was forced on them by their parents, same thing happened to my cousins. if you read in the Bible, it even says God doesnt force himself on people! you can only be a christian if you want to. i just wanted to say that

[@actinium_]

yeah the part where he said she was a quiet obedient girl was unsettling for me too.

[@libbym6307]

@@mitchelreimer7230 yes! Thank you. I was wanting to comment the same sentiment, but I didn't know how to word it.

[@francesmiklovic5624]

She also could've been pregnant and ran away to have the baby to avoid scrutiny from her family, and it gave her more motivation to just leave her family and church life. The book on the table was definitely either coincidence or something that she thought of to suggest she was kidnapped.

[@moonbook12]

Agree

[@hannahcarpenter4188]

For the Post Mortem: is it possible that Cynthia disappeared due to her paranoia? If she had been paranoid for several weeks or months about a possible kidnapping due to the phone calls and bad dreams, reading about the woman in the book being kidnapped could have caused her to make a snap decision to go off the grid out of fear. Leaving her car, bank account, and family without looking back out of fear that she would compromise her "safety" would make sense. What is your thoughts on this? Loving this Ghoul Boys content!

[@joshentertainment2]

I think that or someone from her work kidnapped and/or killed her

[@ckonen]

this is actually exactly what i was thinking especially with the book being open to that page

[@lxrk_8083]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYe4iJhraMd7mpI

[@khadeejaarjumand7896]

I love this theory!!!

[@reica_aesthetic_98]

I also considered this option! Like that's what I'd have done too honestly, you can't just keep on living knowing you could end up slaughtered any day

[@camillem7029]

“ we’re not comedians, we’re just a** holes” both start laughing like maniacs

[@Planetariess]

xDD

[@TheIceboundthrath]

Lmao! Shane: “This is 1981, you work at Baskin Robins for a summer, and you can buy a house”.

[@qiongsi1994]

That hurts so much for us millennials

[@amandahunter7737]

Don't worry, it's an out and out lie. My mother working full time with the school district made 80 dollars a week. The median house cost was just shy of 50k.

[@Travel_with_Gigi]

I had an old man telling me about how working his dads I’ve cream truck route the summer before college paid for his tuition fir two semesters. He paid for his entire college by doing a part time summer job every year. His college for all four years cost him about $8000 . He said he can’t stand it when the young kids complain about paying for school, because they obviously just aren’t working hard enough.

[@helenaravens6812]

@@Travel_with_Gigi that just boils my blood considering the difference between how much a part time job pays and how much college costs🤬

[@amandahunter7737]

@@Travel_with_Gigi this likely occurred in the 50s/60s. There were plenty of stories that I got too. By the late 70s the economy was screwed over

[@gabrielleharris5785]

As a receptionist at a law firm who has dealt with a stalker while working here, this is freaking me OUT already!

[@pavneetgill2156]

im just waiting until one day Ryan and Shane accidentally solve the mystery.

[@esmeray9704]

Same #postmortem

[@MegaLpso]

They just look at eachother and go "oops!"

[@johnotoole6659]

The closest we got so far is the boy in the box episode

[@unicorn1876]

the boy in the box

[@pavneetgill2156]

@@unicorn1876 they got pretty close but they never truly answered it.

[@zzzimzalabim]

#Postmortem Could it be that cynthia was the one who also flipped the pages in the book so that it would create confusion and no one would think she ran away?

[@dreagreuel5829]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. It seemed a little weird for a kidnapper to do, and Cynthia would know where in the book that page was. Also, they mention earlier in the episode that Cynthia has been having nightmares about being kidnapped, so why would she be reading a book that involves kidnapping? I think that would be a little traumatic considering.

[@augustussinclair1626]

@@dreagreuel5829 exactly! That's my opinion too - the poor girl has had too many restrictions, no one would blame her for ditching it all.

[@ida6950]

That’s what I was thinking! A little dramatic for the kidnapper to leave the book open. No impossible, but it seems unrealistic

[@redwasnotimposter7676]

among us piano... kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJa5an2Ih92fpac (i am not the creator, you don't have to watch it, just want to spread positivity) 🤍💖

[@robinlinger6545]

that’s what i was thinking, it would be clever way to send authorities in the wrong direction

[@pamelanewton1873]

Only 9 minutes into this, but the initials GW could be "Guess Who"

[@hazycosmicchild9672]

No, she's being stalked by George Washington

[@jadyngraybill1158]

@@hazycosmicchild9672 George Washington's ghost, to be exact

[@rizwanx7482]

Did the investigators ask the guy who came forward why he wrote gw?

[@isabelleg2672]

@@hazycosmicchild9672 i wish i could like but youre at 69 likes

[@cronusdox9592]

Nah gee, it’s the Greater West from Sydney

[@LaDiabla1219]

The way her workplace cared and gave her that buzzer.

[@littlemissliv100]

“Vanished almost 40 years ago...” Me: “ok so like 1970?” “In August 1981....” Waitamin. Mentally I’m not ready for 1981 to be almost 40 years ago.

[@penguin__queen26]

I said the exact same thing! lol

[@tashina9287]

ME TOOOOOO

[@chicaarguendera5659]

Me being born in the 90s thinking the same thing. I can’t believe it’s been 30 years since then

[@nickreiter4452]

I did the same thing XD how can the 80s be almost 40 years old that’s crazy

[@daisy10lg]

😱😭

[@dreamlord7820]

"How do you plead?" "Guilty. I killed her, I killed Cynthia Anderson." "...Nah."

[@victoria1835]

For reals they were like “k. Anyways-“

[@ducksaysmeow]

"oh no! anyways-"

[@MandyDeadite]

"It was for a different cindy" even tho cindy was the only cindy in view distance of the creepy message....They should have looked into that guy more. That's very suspicious.

[@johanvajse8410]

Cindy is a common name and different from Cynthia guy had nothing to do with it, didn't even know Cynthia

[@johanvajse8410]

@M M you know what teenagers are, right? who spray paint messages to their girlfriends, right? cuz you were also alive in the 80's and know that was a common thing and not "stalking"

[@Hshxhxbsjskzn]

Johan Vajse 3:15

[@nav5738]

Yeah that's wierd they didn't talk about that

[@johanvajse8410]

@M M nope I am a woman who got the heavy breather - who said threatening? you have issues

[@elizabethhoskin9987]

Dawned on me (a year later…) her stalker was in the office. They created “safety protocols” knowing they could circumvent. Almost always, the perpetrator is someone close to the victim so she may have left thinking it’s her boss or friend taking her out for lunch?

[@ArcanineEspeon]

Kidnapped while on lunch break? Oh, my, that fits a lot of pieces together.

[@SnoodleNoodles]

I personally like to think she is living a good life somewhere

[@ehveen]

Heavily doubtful. Her savings were untouched so i just dont think she would up and leave out of nowhere

[@dankestranch8738]

Unfortunately doesn't look like it

[@user-km7bv5tg4j]

Sorry bro your reality isn’t that real anymore

[@user-km7bv5tg4j]

@lewis mole idk either bro

[@user-km7bv5tg4j]

@lewis mole you just started talking about hentai all of a sudden lmao

[@jamessjurset7273]

Theory: She got sucked into the pages of the book.

[@claire7913]

Harry potter style

[@jannatulshoilee1443]

@@claire7913 that doesn't happen in HP.....

[@claire7913]

@@jannatulshoilee1443 it does. Remember when harry gets sucked in tom riddles diary???

[@oceanoflotion8630]

This would have made a good episode of are you afraid of the dark

[@bananabandit5376]

“Take on me...”

[@oleanderglenie9895]

"almost 40 years ago" me: so 1960 right? "1981" me: hhhhh no

[@barbarafaraco2]

Omg, same

[@JoseGutierrez-rf1so]

But its almost right. its 2020 minus 40 its 1980 it not exact so what the "hnnn" for

[@cats1970]

Man I’m from 1995 and thought the same thing. Kids born in 2000 are babies no one can convince me otherwise

[@carolinagoldgirl8706]

Lol I thought the same! 🤣😂 1995 over here too. 2000’s kids are still kids.

[@carolinagoldgirl8706]

@Deadly McGuire old people? Lol I’m 25. Geez. Don’t worry you’ll get there too.

[@dheeyasingh216]

imagine Cynthia chilling somewhere watching this episode like.........."yeah! that's exactly how I disappeared," with a bowl of popcorn and soda in her hand.

[@tamzyns5126]

I’m surprised they didn’t mention the smell of Nail Polish remover again after the beginning, Acetone is an ingredient for Chloroform 🤔

[@omisapanda6348]

Chloroform is a different compound altogether. To get the compound we can use acetone with bleaching powder. But I doubt the kidnapper would have had time for a gimmick

[@abhishekdasgupta9239]

Then again chloroform is actaully not a very good knocking off agent. It actaully takes a lot of time to knock someone off with chloroform. Films and TV shows have popularised its effectiveness but no real killer would probably use it, it's just not good

[@kaspbrakie]

@@abhishekdasgupta9239 i heard about a swedish case that happened in like the 60's, a guy broke into a girls house when she was asleep and chloroformed her and she died pretty quickly before the assault even began (i could find a link to the doc but it's in swedish with no subtitles lol)

[@abhishekdasgupta9239]

@@kaspbrakie cases like that are possible, although it's real tough , pulling one of these with chloroform. You can do it with chloroform but yeah as I said there are better and faster alternatives. Chloroform cases are pretty rare tho not impossible.

[@abhishekdasgupta9239]

@@kaspbrakie and yes as you stated, chloroform may actually kill the person if used on the victim for a prolong time.

[@ratacus]

My issue with the 'there was no signs of a struggle' argument is that (especially if you are a young woman), instinct for self preservation is not always going to lead you to fight off or struggle against an attacker or abductor. If you can clearly see that your attacker is bigger/stronger than you and you are scared, many women (and indeed some men! but more commonly women) will freeze/cooperate rather than fight or struggle. The idea that a kidnapper can't or would only rarely be able to scare an unsuspecting person into compliance is ridiculous to me. The fact there is no signs of a physical struggle, while it can't confirm that she didn't go willingly, in no way rules it out or casts doubt on that possibility for me. This issue is brought up in a show on Netflix called The Fall, where a woman gets abducted and her husband sees the fact that she went with her abductor as some indication that she /wanted/ to go with him, when in fact she was threatened and scared and trying to preserve her own life as well as her family's. Obviously that's fiction, but I think it brings up an important point that isn't always considered when it comes to violence and crimes against women.

[@miamafalda1118]

You actually bring up an excellent point here. It's also possible that she was held at gunpoint or something and did not have the ability to struggle.

[@starlightsystem4065]

thats very true, i wondered that myself. well said!

[@lex7492]

Especially since she was specifically described as an obedient person at that

[@frostyskeletons8950]

Yes! It’s Fight or Flight or Freeze. Women often freeze, and unfortunately this fact has been used for the “she wanted it” argument for ages since many women are aiming to just stay alive rather than fight and get killed. This results in a lack of self defense marks and jurors are idiots :(

[@sney7972]

Yeah exactly. And if she did want to run away and make everyone think she got abducted she would definitely leave a sign of struggle.

[@Gaurav-bn1rv]

Imagine Cynthia confessing that she had run away in the comments....

[@kristen-8923]

she says “hey y’all i’m good, just living off grid.. YOLO”

[@randomuserwitharandomname6183]

jk haha... unless...

[@MixedBeauty01]

I ran away

[@mortomusic8072]

I now have 6.8 thousand comments to look through. Give me a moment

[@stern0wl153]

@@MixedBeauty01 ......that's not you is it? -___-

[@Funkylittleguy27]

If the runaway theory is true I want to imagine a 60 year old Cynthia clapping slowly and saying “well done,you did it” in front of a collection of monitors.