The Surprising SCIENCE of True TOUGHNESS w/ Steve Magness | Rich Roll Podcast

Rich Roll talks with writer & coach Steve Magness about unlocking true mental toughness, leading others to optimal performance, & working with Alberto Salazar. To read more about Steve and peruse the full show notes, go here👉🏾bit.ly/richroll686
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00:00:00 - AD ROLL
00:00:36 - Intro
00:03:38 - Steve's New Book & Retiring From Coaching
00:05:22 - Steve's Running Background
00:13:22 - Steve Begins Coaching
00:16:41 - Working with Alberto Salazar and N.O.P
00:20:30 - The first signs of trouble
00:25:26 - Steve uses L-Carnitine IV and is manipulated by Salazar
00:32:46 - AD BREAK
00:36:02 - Steve's Courage to Leave
00:41:19 - Steve learns of Mary Cain & decides to blow the whistle
00:48:17 - Aftermath of Whistle blowing
00:58:11 - What Steve learned through this experience
01:01:15 - Rethinking what it means to be tough in sports
01:13:27 - The importance of responding vs reacting
01:17:49 - Steve's Book and new perspective on doing hard things
01:19:09 - The first pillar of toughness: embrace reality
01:26:05 - On Motivation
01:36:05 - The second pillar: Listen to your body
01:47:40 - AD BREAK
01:49:31 - The third pillar: Respond, don't react
01:56:21 - Flow state and Clutch State
02:04:32 - The fourth Pillar: Transcend discomfort
02:12:46 - 6 year old marathoner and sports parents
02:20:36 - Final Thoughts and Practical Advice
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[@kevinhaskins6619]

I think you are incredibly bright Rich Roll. You are gifted in your interviewing skills and I think you have found your calling.

[@dylbot6218]

damn this is a good one. RESPECT Steve Magness! balls of steel my friend

[@mirceabranda]

"confidence needs evidence". just wow. thank you guys!

[@catherinekasmer9905]

This is the first podcast that made me cry. Steve’s essential goodness as a person comes through and I was so moved by his gut wrenching story. There is a bigger story here about greed and power and corruption that is relevant as we as a society wrestle with the dark forces gathering in our government and abroad. I hope we all can muster the courage that Steve demonstrated. Personally, I was alarmed and dismayed way back when the truth about Nike’s use of sweat shop labor in their quest for riches came out. Since that time I never purchased a Nike branded product. The whole quest to get an athlete under 2 hours in the marathon rubbed me the wrong way- and I didn’t even know about how they were treating women. The win at all costs mentality destroys the joy of athletic endeavor. And we all deserve that joy, whatever our natural ability, limits, resources or ability to train. I’m a recreational runner who started at age 54- after adopting a plant based diet to address multiple health concerns. I remember the anxiety about being good enough and then the shame I felt after showing up for my first half marathon race. Here I was, worried about being good enough, and during the race I encountered a person who clearly was a cancer warrior and another who was blind, running with a guide. There’s more to life than the outer wins. The inner character is far more important. Thank you for this wonderful interview!

[@bro7269]

@18:45 “We don’t have rehash all the details of that.” @50:00 still rehashing the details….! 🤣🤣🤣 Glad you did because I hadn’t heard that story.

[@IvyPerez_DreamBuilder]

What a gut wrenching story. I SO felt his pain & angst when he questioned what was being done. How unsettling. And the manipulation by this individual … just awful.

[@IgnatiusCheese]

A RETURN TO RATIONAL CONTENT THANK YOU RICH

[@hurricanejanko7394]

I was about to say is safe to listen now ? Since covid I had hard time finding meaningful content on RR

[@darrisnelson5223]

Steve is one courageous man. It’s interesting to hear his story of manipulation and abuse. I am familiar with these tactics and it all starts out with someone knowing what’s important to you and exploiting that. Steve story is so important for everyone to understand. It doesn’t matter how intelligent you are, how worldly you may be, You can be manipulated. In my opinion it’s inappropriate for the court system to allow the abuser to be in the courtroom when the victim is testifying. There’s so much more to say about this but I’ll leave it at that. Another great episode… And subject matter thank you!

[@cindyscott8470]

Steve Magness shares this issue same issues I have experienced. I am so grateful that he has, and hope he can help others to see when this is happening.

[@calonstanni]

MAN this guy ...he's really amazing.

[@yvonnekiwior9633]

I hope they make a movie! Speak the truth man! You are a hero in the minds of people who appreacate truth!!!!!❤

[@vondawray2314]

WoW!!! I have lived in Eugene, Oregon all of my 54 years and am totally shocked to hear about Alberto Salazar!!!!! He was always heralded as a runner who was a hero. I do not ever remember hearing about Salazar's disgrace? So proud of Steve for speaking up! He is a real man! Steve is a real hero!

[@B_hash]

L

[@brandonrothsman2665]

@@B_hash ratio

[@drts6955]

Please tell the dude my friends tried to buy shrooms off in Eugene in 2010 that he's an asshole. Just took their money and ran

[@bijanbayne3259]

My cousin ran against Salazar's h.s. teams in Greater Boston. Same conference

[@GOD999MODE]

Always look forward to a new RR upload!

[@CFCMahomet]

Really crazy to think of the power that Nike has on college campuses and athletes. My wife works for a BIG 10 university in their sports department and Nike has a great degree of control, from what athletes wear to how they perform. Add to that their control in professional sports and the gateway for college athletes to the pros.

[@helenachase5627]

That's terrifying. How could any company desire supremacy that badly. That's fucked up

[@gemmabelfrage6691]

Sweet amazing man Steve kudos to you for surviving a narcissist and abuse cycle you have achieved more than that soulless freak EVER will you are truly amazing and now even running and gym sewing and working again. Dating men isa wholle other story but one day I hope someone I can trust I meet. I needed 2 years of therapy after abusive narcisist and am now learned I'm back on my feet and feeling human again. Never doubt yourself I know what it's like from one survivor to the next you rock

[@0ptimal]

Rich is the optimal guy to interview Michael Jordan. I've long tried to think of who would be best to actually dig into his mind properly, and I couldn't think of anyone sufficient, until I realized Rich is that guy.

[@Vered.movement]

Great attitude for life , thank you . this is an amazing podcast !

[@delphinelisabeth]

dude ... Steve the part you talk about the injection and giving into that procedure ... you are human. I believe you when you say how hard it was to still address that part. Thanks for sharing your journey.

[@hopemullins7430]

As always, an excellent conversation. I’m looking forward to reading his book. Thank you, Rich, I appreciate your work.

[@unboxingjavascript3138]

Wow...his story could easily be adapted as a movie/show.

[@maksun66883]

fascinating discussion on mental toughness 👍🏻 and how to motivate people 👍🏻

[@albertoduqe]

So interesting. Thanks for these fantastic conversations with all their resources.

[@CoolInOlympia]

Wow! What a brave guy!!! I have never heard his story, before!!!!!!

[@0ptimal]

Me, neither.

[@itsdixi_not_dixie]

What a fantastic talk! So good!

[@kimedison6677]

Great interview! Thank you RR

[@iandoherty9089]

Come on Steve 3.59 lets go!!

[@paccarcrap]

I'm not even an athlete, trying to hit the gym more, but this was very interesting and the train your brain to do hard uncomfortable things and be in situations applies to MANY THINGS.

[@paolap3384]

Incredibly intriguing - great talks as always!

[@user-bd4bo4tb8u]

Fellow Cougar, here! I so wish I’d been interested in running.

[@profitneselen2138]

Wow! I have never heard about this story

[@drewe9514]

Amazing interview from two super nerds!

[@Teabonesteak]

Great podcast.

[@ramalheira]

Great stuff! Congrats Rich and Steve! So worthy!!!

[@mynameisana09]

Haha, how great it is when someone coaches you. When I was about 18 I ran 5km (I think that’s around 3 miles) puked, nobody told me to do anything. I then told myself that running is not for me. 😅

[@eggzappa]

"Show up to the TurKey Trot...", felt the love come through Rich. Ya had me by the funny bone!

[@kinolima235]

❣️🌍 Thank you very much 🌎❣️

[@oneleggedturkey]

I think the most impressive thing about Steve's story is that he can run outside in Houston.

[@richjlaw]

I love Steve - great book/s.

[@diegonayalazo]

Thanks for sharing

[@jennifergrainger2480]

I hope Steve Magness watches Andrew Huberman episode on trauma. He’s definitely been through the wringer.

[@OlympischbriesjeNadaAverage]

I had a coach with his tribe of talents, I outperformed them all a a newby, but he cracked my back by having people twice my weight judoing with me. He became the national coach. I'm sure can outperform him as a coach too. But it's a silly world. Thank you for this wonderful interview.

[@arlinegeorge6967]

Great video, We are all manipulated puppets. Money and power is the need of the hour for a selected few, or u can call the few chosen ones ! The weak ones are forced to open up and shout out to the world like this one. A similar experience myself has gone through by the officers of the Indian Armed forces, and now mystical wonders are still being manipulated. The universe is warning us by slowly Steadily and Surely the death in different ways. Some are lucky to get justice some are unfortunate . Prayers and support for all the weak ones who are unfortunate like me to have the duty of making the world know, you are not alone abused and manipulated but would let people judge you for what people with money and power are able to. Love and peace to all.

[@gianpierotti9423]

500 commercials but a good interview.

[@ivanalexandr1262]

Excellent

[@laprepper]

People need to understand just ONE lap in 60 seconds is fast, two is impressive, 4 is god level

[@dagreatstoney.5869]

Great show tks

[@hnttakata713]

1978: Eugene, Oregon was a great place to see others, Mary Decker, Alberto Salazar and Rudy Chaparral compete and be considered heroes for us, couture athletes.

[@lj9524]

Love it❤️👍🏻

[@secondyaya]

Powerful interview. I kept thinking, I wonder what David Goggins andJoe De Sena's perspective would be on this?😅

[@emillsommer-kt4mb]

Stay soft

[@KK-qc5ct]

In flow= finding your groove

[@enatp6448]

Trust falls are awesome for creating connections. Someone hosting their version of a dinner party, ain't going to cut it for everyone

[@calmestlad]

Elite

[@jdt8983]

"We gotta keep our composure!" - Will Ferrell

[@TrainerLiz1]

Please list the plant-based nutrition delivery services that you mentioned earlier

[@user-ey9bt7fs6n]

When will the follow up podcast air?

[@tomaspuskas950]

Pls, Which other podcast did you talk about Nike and their behavior to women in?

[@pollyburns1700]

The one with Mary Cain. Very powerful episode.

[@ybanzen]

aaahhhh thats so interesting, the only times i ran a half- marathon (not a very hard one, here in toronto) were also (outside of yoga and meditation) the times i felt like i saw God, i have never heard anyone describe it that way, but thats honestly how it felt (specifically remember at km 17 i was like omg im either WITH god right now or i am GOD)

[@johnnyleemail77]

Brilliant :)

[@michaelaobrien3508]

I 100% understand this. My take: I am. (God)

[@laprepper]

We had a former Olympian at our high school coach xcountry but I still never got fast because I only gave 80%. Maybe I almost ran a 6 min mile once lol…

[@alexandrevaz941]

Interesting, but I think many discussions (and this conversation is a good example) assume that smart training is the one who is optimized for results, and I believe many amateurs and professionals alike have in training a goal in itself. Performance, health and pleasure in the processes are not necessarily compatible.

[@eb1184]

at first glance i thought this thumbnail read “do hard drugs” lol

[@Cruncherss]

Lots of easy running. Occasionally going hard. Very very rarely go see god. First marathon coming up I'm gonna go see god that race trying to get around 3:20.

[@canyonhaverfield2201]

One heck of a super talk..love it! A gotta say, momentum is gathering towards a sinking of the pureness in all sports. Its happened in golf-tennis- GP racing, motocross, skiing, gymnastics, sailing,NFL.. even climbing. The raw purity has been raped by the lure of high end sponsors. I can no longer attend any of these events for the purity has been hijacked.

[@joanolmstead1219]

i don't want to buy another Nike product in my life...... bitter taste. why did i not hear about this. peace Steve glad you reported what you saw

[@AwakenWithLove]

@1:25:22 ***** You have to Earn confidence it cannot be a story.

[@davidarbelaez2012]

That table is so long they could have zoom called. 😉

[@marniebrimhall986]

Hahahahahaha!!!! Yeah!😁

[@qqq111444]

Lol

[@cindyscott8470]

You are not listening.

[@paulin1160]

😂😂😂

[@CoolInOlympia]

I love that table! It even makes me, as a listener, feel calm.

[@emillsommer-kt4mb]

"exactly"

[@richardmiddleton7770]

You also need to rest! Doing hard things all the time is exhausting! Having elevated cortisol gets stuff done but isn't healthy long term!

[@nkululekondhlovu4020]

Jurgen Klopp is doing podcasts now?

[@adrianwenger3584]

Why is there so much advertisement?

[@seanhaworthvii]

Cuz ya boy has gotta get paid.

[@enatp6448]

The example of how powerful people exploit people's drives. It's what women have been trying to explain for a long time. Hopefully coming from a man in a non sexually exploitive scenario shows how these power dynamics unfold. It's insidious!

[@esgee3829]

saw galen and alberto roll through an airport on the diamond league circuit. alberto was holding a styrofoam box, 20cm^3 labeled 'galen'. i almost pissed myself. who wants to guess what was in the box?

[@raginald7mars408]

... as a German Biologist - this is about conditioning of PAIN - Reward Patterns - when do you sens even imagined “PAIN” - and need instant BIG Rewards - a chain reaction of Rewards - that becomes an even bigger PAIN - when you imagine , it STOPS: As any sort of “Addiction”. It takes intense Endurance Training to accept prolonged discomfort, PAIN, Thirst, Hunger, hurting body - and still keep going without any Reward in sight. In essence a sort of NAVY SEAL training. As it is almost impossible to talk to any Cigarette Smoker about those chain reactions - it is a Genetic profile to accept this concept of Endurance - and always keep going - no matter how BAD you feel - knowing - it will go away - and you reach a goal you could never imagine to reach... thank GOD - nobody listens...

[@jamesburns2524]

Way too many adds.

[@lindsaydaniels998]

Host looks like Jurgen Klopp

[@marcimareburger2524]

Found this episode to be less enjoyable. Thanks for sharing anyway.

[@spencerbrown6214]

Boycott Nike 👍🌎

[@meaningoftheunicorn]

RR is so bae... my fake husband. lol

[@calonstanni]

no he's NOT! He's MY fake husband!!!!

[@mapleleafer74]

4:21, not 23.

[@jamesharris184]

An hour into it and they really haven't hit the point time to move on

[@namu5583]

Ngomongin apa ini teh?

[@kit-ja]

Lol

[@mapleleafer74]

Host is corrupt too.

[@brandonshapiro3194]

Wow, let’s get huge soy boy and have him talk about toughness.

[@fredrik1337]

lost credibility at the vegan promotion

[@mapleleafer74]

Exemptive use? Don't be stupid, any testosterone med note should make you act.

[@mamipapi5811]

Sorry but I has to move on due to the unclear speech of the host.

[@mapleleafer74]

You cheated, knowingly. It doesn't matter that you blew the whistle! Matters not what you say now. Why don't you get that??? If you were a clean enough person with high enough morals, you'd never have taken the needles.