The Talaria Sting is NOT Just a Copycat Sur Ron Clone

[@GhostOutTheShell3035]

You and Andrew my fav PEV reviewers. Y'all aren't so exaggerating, biased and pandering on Brands. I watch you guys act and talk normal, not so teenybopper trendy on everything with excessive antics etc. Thanks, forever loyale subby 💪🔥

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

Thanks for the kind words and being a loyal sub. Jimmy and I have day jobs, and riding PEVs is our passion. We love sharing our experiences with everyone good or bad. We're just two guys living it up, getting to try all the latest and greatest gadgets!

[@seoulmandan]

I wonder if a rivalry will form between Talaria and Suron that will lead to each company accelerating in developing innovations that will become implemented in their upcoming models.

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

Competition leads to innovation!

[@cognetic]

Amen to that!

[@ChrisxStyleZ]

they sure will. talaria sting r vs surron ultra. in the end theyre both great bikes

[@domslivin]

Our little Jimmy is getting famous, I feel like a proud father :) Colorado Represent! Another great video, lot's of fun and good times.

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

Thanks papa!!!

[@gavnunns]

I love seeing more options of fun, functional e bikes! I don't see the Talaria being different enough to swap from my Sur Ron, but if I was buying fresh it would probably have the edge just because of the size and being able to fit a wider rear tire.

[@zeroboyrick1717]

I've had both sur-ron and Talaria. I own a Talaria now, it's more comfortable because it's bigger and the battery cover blends in with the seat more like a regular dirtbike. In defense of the sur-ron I don't think there are problems with the belt secondary drive until you add way more power x3, if then. My Talaria came with CST full knob tires. I'm pretty sure the owner of that bike added the Shinko dual-sport tires. I use the same tires and a 52 tooth sprocket.

[@rigatoniphoni8247]

Lost me at oil change. I put over 7000 miles on a 72v Segway x260 in less than a year just ripping around on my free time. Running 15000 watts, only thing I’ve had to replace is the tires. Sure to each their own, but the hype for the surron/Segway is there for a reason. Great vid tho! Love the content and loved the review

[@ebikecnx7239]

Agreed. I have had a SurRon 2 months and already did 2000km. My motorcycles are hardly used at all now. I even charge the battery for free using a solar panel.

[@rigatoniphoni8247]

@@ebikecnx7239 amen brotha! Happy riding 💪💪 glad you’re enjoying it

[@ebikecnx7239]

Actually, now I did a ride and review of the first Talaria Sting in Thailand I really like it. Oil change in that gearbox is no issue really, very quick 120ml every 1000Km. It's stronger frame is nice. However I am keeping my Sur Ron as the Talaria is too expensive here, as it's a lot more for some reason. The Sur Ron is more agile and flickable.

[@Simonisms]

I love that you ran into some guys randomly and made a great review just on the fly Top work 💪

[@gritred5500]

Add a comment... Grit Red 1 second ago You said turning radius is shorter but because the sting has a wider front the steering bumps up to the fatter front and there wheel does turn as far. The back has play in the bolt. The gear box is yet to be proven less maintenance as it may be a failure point. The reason the sting has more punch at the low end is because the throttle was not mapped properly. The throttle is not considered an improvement as it is more difficult to turn and people complain about it. the motor was shown in a break down to be identical except for a couple small inconsequential differences. The battery is more power per pound so that is considered a higher power density. the seat is considered to be more comfortable but the bike weight makes it more difficult to throw the bike around and load into a vehicle. these are from comments i’ve read fyi.

[@SkarmGamerLPs]

This thing looks soooo cool! I want an ebike in the higher range and maybe I’ll check this one out eventually :)

[@freshlycharged]

These Ebikes are next level!

[@jeffoh5787]

I bought my Sur Ron two months ago and couldn't be happier. Was considering th Talaria, but the Sur Ron is where it's at!

[@ebikecnx7239]

Agreed, I just reviewed the Talaria on my channel, but prefer my Sur Ron which I use every day now and did 2000Km in 2 months and honestly it's better handling, more flickable.

[@jondoe6618]

Have had mine for several weeks. LOVE IT!! No regrets!! Cant wait to update to the bac 8k and 72v battery.Even tho my wallet does not agree lol.

[@eddib17]

The whole reason I'm watching this is I just bought a Talaria from someone back at home but haven't seen it yet so I wanted to know what I'm getting into

[@AMP3083official]

For what my opinion is worth - I think it would make more sense to know what you're getting into before buying an expensive product like this, instead of buying it first then watching videos.

[@MrMikekenney120]

You guy's are great, Andrew you are a Rock Star!

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

Thanks for the kind words!

[@jiashung1317]

What's the best height range for Sur Ron and for Talaria?

[@gammaraider]

Such a friendly group. Good vibes guys

[@shanew7361]

I love it! Great product and video, ty gentlemen 🙏

[@freshlycharged]

Thanks for the support!

[@aintnobodygottime4dat]

Love the enthusiasm of these engineers👍🏻

[@Inmate533]

The most beautiful part of the video was the big fluffy golden though…lol

[@freshlycharged]

Cuban is such a good doggie!

[@Inmate533]

@@freshlycharged I have a golden Maggie and a black lab Mollie. Life is great when they’re around. Is Cuban part of the Jimmy Chang team?

[@jonwivccc7926]

I almost bought a surron 2 years ago so happy I didn’t .. gald I’m letting all the bugs and glitches worked out .. let more and more options hit the market and we’ll eventually get a good e dirt bike at a cheaper rate then 5-6 k .. don’t buy these quite yet .. let them sit and drop in value there still toys at the moment

[@cjvalverde7660]

You should of bought one a couple years ago lol would’ve saved a few hundred

[@royrodgers3296]

You’ve never rode one, you have no idea of what you missed out on. Had one for a few years now, nothing but fun

[@jonwivccc7926]

@@cjvalverde7660 lol a few hundred 😭😭🤡goofy .. ima stick with the numbers and facts .. flat screen TVs were thousands when the tech was new and “ ripped ppl off for years “ now you can buy one for a cold coke . Or a 150$ you know what I mean .. ima wait until the inflated ahhh value leaves the room and pay the product value 🙃

[@cjvalverde7660]

@@jonwivccc7926 well it was 3700 2 years ago now it’s 4300 so good luck with that. Ima have fun riding my sur Ron:P

[@Zackattack94]

The price point is worth it for the compaines because they are making a lot of money. Theres almost no chance stock factory bikes will drop in price. Youre going to want the aftermarket reseller market to get bigger so that you can find cheaper used bikes. Thats the inly way to get into it with paying over 4k. These bikes are unique and are in a class of their own. Premium mtn bike parts plus primium dirt bike mods. Theres no way the price drops. If you want one get one sooner then later or waste your life dreaming

[@tdeb5504]

"But officer- I have a sticker that says "class2!"

[@rayreese7285]

Nice vid !!! love the bike .No offense to you Jimmy but Andrew wasn't asked to take a parting photo . And you guys are joined at the hip. Just and analysis lol . Glad you graced Cali. With your presence.

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

Lol, Harris' friend asked to take a picture with both of us. Jimmy started the channel so I take no offense to it at all. I just love that I get to try out all the latest and greatest PEVs.

[@rayreese7285]

@@Andrew-vt4jt I'm just charging your batteries.Thanks for the back and forth.

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

@@rayreese7285 thanks for tuning in and the friendly banter.

[@ExelArts]

i wonder what sur ron will do to counter this bike i cant wait to see hopefully they do something

[@OregonMotorcycle]

Talaria all day 😊 Cool vid.

[@freshlycharged]

Thanks! You have a great channel btw!

[@cosmiccharlie8294]

Would be great at the hunting shack or ranch. More suited to a rural setting than an urban one.

[@davestevens4263]

For sure it’s easy to sneak up on animals & people.

[@barkbros123]

A better version!?

[@stealthyguy1784]

I'm getting a talaria very soon 👌

[@truesightgrabber]

Any mods for tall people on this model ? Like for surron ?

[@josephhoward2971]

So being 6-6 is this a better option?

[@jasonbrand5762]

Waiting to see a street Moto version of these

[@mixflip]

Ok now I want to sell my ebikes and buy the talaria!

[@freshlycharged]

What’s your ride right now?

[@mixflip]

@@freshlycharged I have the 750 watt version of the ariel rider grizzly. I love it but I'm ready to step up my game.

[@mixflip]

@@freshlycharged btw your link isn't working for the Talaria

[@mixflip]

@@freshlycharged should I wait for a 72v talaria?

[@freshlycharged]

Tough call. Even if you order now, you are gonna have to wait. Ride now… or wait for more power and ride in the future… that is the question…

[@aldousbwilson]

Great review . When is the review of the "Dualtron X2" getting done as well.

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

Coming soon!

[@legion1te]

I have a question, what are you guys going to do with the crashed Begode Master? Are you guys looking to fix it, trash it, or sell it? And if you are to fix it, how are you to go about that?

[@theanimalplanet7031]

1.Talaria initial surge of power due to unrefined, the increase of torque is not gradually like Sur ron. 2.The front wheel tend to flip but hard to maintained a wheelie, but you really need 72v to sustained a wheelie. 3.It has a thicker frame but top speed is the same as Sur ron. 4. higher sitting possition and higher motor clearance for better extreme trail riding. 5. the one plug sounds good but Talaira has less copper contact.. Final thoughts: its too similar to buy another ebike (Talaria) if you already own a Sur ron. If you like riding in extreme trails that required higher clearance, than Talaria is for you. Otherwise, I would choose a Sur ron.

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

Very good points. Both are fun and have its pluses and minuses.

[@SummerlinRealtor]

Great review of both bikes. I love my Sur Ron and I’ve had it for two years now and have 1,800 miles on it. I street ride and off road ride it and love every minute I spend on it! Jimmy, what’s the range difference between both bikes? I average 35-40 miles on a full charge…just wondering if it’s worth upgrading from my Sur Ron?

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

I would expect you to get 15% more range.

[@geemy9675]

maybe if you can get a very good price from your used sur Ron (resale value seems very high) but otherwise you could just upgrade the battery on the sur ron. the biggest difference to me is the size..I've seen sur ron in person and it's hard to imagine myself on such a small bike

[@grantadamson3478]

@@Andrew-vt4jt This bike is a lot heavier so I don't know how you have arrived at that conclusion. Perhaps you could let us know how you arrived at that 15% figure.

[@ExelArts]

is there a more powerful motor or are you stuck with the one that it comes with? same with sur ron does it come with a better motor?

[@tbbainter777]

These bikes are great. Def recommend upgrade controller to bac8000 or similiar , just opens bike up to next level.

[@juzeljames7793]

How fast will it go with the upgrade?

[@mmmasterscross7915]

Awesome ebike! Thanks for sharing this video !

[@mikes.8305]

So SurRon vs Talaria for my wife? She’s 5’ and realistically will not mod. I honest want one too even though I still like my KTM 350…

[@Passionfriut]

What tires are those?? Need to know before I buy the sting

[@lukemcelligott505]

Talaria sting is the better option my opinion I have both bikes and my biggest reason for picking the Talaria is the battery range

[@randbaldwin]

Have you tested both batteries in both bikes fairly? Link your video so I can see how you tested both.

[@michaelbacile8439]

Idk, I think they’re all to expensive. They should come out with an economy type model sub 3,000$ For people who want to get in but don’t want to finance one. They’re cool as hell don’t get me wrong but 4,500$? Mods are 250 for a light? I’d love to have one but I don’t see more than about 2600$ of value there. I already own a very nice MTB and could go get a pretty nice motorcycle for the price of one of these.

[@robyg7037]

SE Asia has boo coo motor and electric bikes with brand names for way less than US and Euro markets; 50% cause they make them there ! Agreed they need to be lower priced maybe due to import regs and fees !

[@koraegis]

what bout the seat? is it good for long hauls?

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

I need to try it for a long ride to decide. You could always upgrade to a custom saddle.

[@koraegis]

@@Andrew-vt4jt thanks. Do you know about the Manitou fork version and where to get it? Apparently it's the most expensive version?

[@sdcaclint]

I just checked out the link, and it looks like the tires are not the same as the bike you tested. was that bike upgraded? not having to swap over to the tires on the test bike was an option I liked. thanks guys

[@jacobtran7721]

He said the tires were upgraded

[@Gassten]

i dont know about the gear box yet seen alot of problems with it, and for power there is a VS video and they preform like totaly alike.. belts are easy to change but how does one repair the gearbox if broken? But its nice with competition ! =)

[@junbugmax4700]

How tall are u man I’m thinking of getting this or the suron x I like my feet in the ground when I stop

[@PlatinumPlopper]

I need one of those Class 2 Stickers lmao

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

Lol, we will have to ask Harris where he got it from. Overall, I'm not sure if you will fool anyone cruising about 30 mph and showing them the sticker.

[@onetwo937]

@@Andrew-vt4jt haha hey Andrew, Harris here! I got the class 2 stickers form eBay, they cost around $10 and they give you 2! It was Awesome meeting you guys at voro!

[@ben6bh]

How long dose the battery last what sort of mileage can u get per charge

[@gill_rides7618]

I would wait a few years for the sting to get better and more after market parts but I think is the better of the 2

[@user-jk9zr3sc5h]

I love how you slowed down "Wider Rear Swingarm" so you wouldnt tongue tie it lol

[@freshlycharged]

Guilty as charged!

[@soffianfar1d559]

Hello is it faster than the dualtron Achilleus?

[@fokker34]

I should have sprung for the Talaria, instead of my Sur Ron! 6'4", 210 lbs.

[@116thcrazy]

What is that scooter with the thin tall tire?

[@billyjenkins3015]

Lol, “much easier to plug in the battery”. That second plug takes forever to plug in on my Sur-Ron. Come on Jimmy….

[@Aaa-ob5nk]

Just bought one and it’s minttt

[@rubberguy1982]

can i get the front and rear tire specs? Are they still on the stock 19'' wheels? I need new tires already on my Talaria.

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

If you use the link in the description, they have some great tire options.

[@A.B.O.156]

Please, where i buy cheapest Talaria but sur ron thank you

[@donaldschuster9304]

Not available in the US?

[@stevenboelke6661]

Even just a three speed gearbox would offer a lot more versitility. If you've got the gearbox anyway, why not?

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

I wonder if you could custom design one for it.

[@ericjimenez2448]

One thing I don't like is when u do a welly it's hard to left, I heard it from sur ronster channel hope they make new throtl for easy left up welly.

[@randbaldwin]

I'd be interested in knowing the business background connections. They are too similar for cooince, so the root trace back to the same.

[@LambrettaJet200]

Cool ebike but love the sound and smell of a 2 stroke dirt bike.

[@Leorgo]

the surron belt is problematic? im still on the stock belt after 9000mi lol

[@smob187]

Are thes 5k too

[@Eclection]

That's OhManDan

[@TheDarkMan01]

What is the process to launch in India

[@moosestanggang]

There is already a stock option 2 street legal 72v talaria..

[@FarmerYuHaden]

Why 19 inch rims 20 inch is everywhere in bmx please explain?

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

I'm not sure. I would like to know as well. As the saying goes, bigger is better!

[@mrhasib8213]

How to order from Bangladesh

[@davetheordore3136]

Very familiar door 😀

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

Legends have walked through that door like the great scooter scientist!

[@davetheordore3136]

@@Andrew-vt4jt like you guys 😁

[@ZenLee]

this ebike looks awesome!

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

Better tell your friends so we don't sit at 66.6 subs.

[@freshlycharged]

We took care of that.

[@smoxesss]

chaine diven i have chaine drive e scooter time for me to max the specs out of it end of year people hate chaine drive i like it reminds me of a motorbikr snf the engineering is differnt from hum motor i have both types od scooter chain drine i will be using for off road use mainy

[@haraldkrull8096]

How tall are you?

[@MrsMagnum19]

stealth bomber with pedals rides free of insurance and helmut you can beat the shit out of it it keeps going low low maintenance

[@geemy9675]

class 2 ebike sticker is just for show. even a class 2 20mph throttle ebike needs pedals. without pedals it's not even a moped, it's a motorcycle

[@-meganeura]

I would prefer the Kuberg Ranger. :) gime gime, I want one sooo bad.

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

I wonder what that is.

[@-meganeura]

@@Andrew-vt4jt Hi Andrew, The Ranger is a standup mountain escooter developed and produced by Kuberg in Czech Republic. A cross between trial bike, standup scooter and a mountain/downhill bike.

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

@@-meganeura thanks for the info!

[@OneWheelMan]

Looks pretty cool, oil change every 1000km sounds like it'd be pretty annoying though (especially if you ride a lot)...although, I'm used to my electric unicycle (which just needs tire changes)

[@fuzecap]

Litterally the easiest think to do I dont like this bike but thats not the issue

[@OneWheelMan]

@@fuzecap I'm not saying it's difficult...but I think having to do 600 mile oil changes on an electric vehicle is a bit ridiculous/that's more maintenance than a gas vehicle. Low maintenance is one of the reasons I like EV's.

[@fuzecap]

@@OneWheelMan It most definitely doesnt need to be done that often that is the factory recommendation for perfect performance. The same would be said about washing your bike after use which we all do at our own discretion. If there's anything that's good about this bike its the gearbox

[@-meganeura]

On the DT X2 where the steering column meets the deck, 6 small screws hold the entire front of the scooter, that´s the weak point on these scooters. Other than that I love my DT x2 UP, definitely not for hard offroad only light trails at low speed. for real offroad fun and go to inaccessible areas, I want the Kuberg Ranger!

[@jessedirazonian9742]

They cool but I think still way too under powered I used to race moto x I don’t think these r gonna b the future until they on par wit traditional gas powered engines

[@freshlycharged]

e-moto is in its infancy. Give it time. It will get there...

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

Stock they come underpowered compared to a traditional dirt bike. However, I think you would be impressed with an upgrade 72v to 100v system. Some of these are insane how powerful they can be. A 100v Talaria would smoke a traditional dirt bike off the line.

[@michaelbuteau4183]

This sting and surron our owned by the same people and I don't think I need to explain to you why going into competition with yourself makes you a lot more money than coming out with a new model

[@abderrazaczogar4175]

Good job

[@AMP3083official]

Oil change? Nah, I'm good. I'll stick to the Surron.

[@codyhahn6748]

Ugh I want one so bad it hurts.

[@grantadamson3478]

6:30 many of us ride way overpowered ebikes and the police leave us alone FOR NOW but please don't be that idiot that draws attention to us.

[@josephwah5394]

I need one

[@bajasgarage3174]

Would love to have that over my stealth bomber

[@bobmarley2140]

Bigger heavier and slower your statement about it being more powerful is incorrect.

[@nfswift]

The sting looks like a toy in a lot of these shots, I heard it was noticeably bigger than the sur ron? Being 6'3 sucks if you want to get into emotos hahah.

[@maciejburchardt7927]

Same problem here. I’m 6.5 tall.

[@ugutierrez55]

Yeah y’all will look like Shaq on a bmx lol 😆

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

@@ugutierrez55 🤣

[@skipj3940]

6’3” and my wife says that the bike looks to small for me. Then I twist and leave, don’t have to listen to it.

[@roz4747]

Monkey humpin a football ay……

[@digitaltrip420]

About to sell my Honda Shadow 750 an buy a Ebike

[@theneverman]

Who doesn't greet the dog first? Buncha cat people I tell ya. ;-)

[@kimnielsenthewordyvikingett159]

You forgot to mention (HOW MUCH DOES IT COST) I have no clue if I'm interested or not!!! Just saying.

[@freshlycharged]

Pricing is constantly changing. Check link in description for up to date pricing...

[@kimnielsenthewordyvikingett159]

@@freshlycharged Thank you so much for your reply sweetie will do.

[@fabriciosoaresferreirasoar4480]

It makes a lot of noise, there are those that are silent.

[@bj97301]

I’ve heard the gear box does not hold up well when upping the power.

[@FarmerYuHaden]

🔥

[@вечная_мерзлота]

Spikes on wheels are thing of the past. Would be nice to see a maintenance free wheels on it.

[@Max-kj1xb]

I thought this was a dirt bike. Riding on the street is just going to speed up laws to stop this and makee more enemies for us. It's a dirt bike!!!

[@jean-noelcollard4583]

Juste un cadre et une fourche différents...

[@CAMO-hb8wc]

Looking good \m/

[@smob187]

I have 1000.00 to buy my 11 year old daughter an electric scooter she wants one so bad she has a mini bike and tired of that gas engine ya kno. Help

[@laryangel4082]

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[@fpvflyriding]

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