The TikTok Ban Is A Slippery Slope…

Hello guys and gals, it's me Mutahar again! This time we take a look at what appears to be the final days of TikTok in the United States. With less than a week left for anyone to buy it, it's becoming more and more likely that one of the fastest growing platforms may be crippled and it's creators left wandering for a new home, why? Let's find out! Thanks for watching!
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[@Noahpie20]

If the US govt truly cared about us they would place tighter privacy restrictions on Meta and Google as well. Not just ban TikTok.

[@erc3338]

yup

[@WackyModder84]

First of all, they ALREADY ARE looking into breaking up Google right now. Chrome is on the verge of getting separated from Google as is. Second of all, I would MUCH RATHER have my own government taking my data than a FOREIGN GOVERNMENT that has turned China into a totalitarian dystopian dumpster fire.

[@TjJd-f8m]

Man you and I both know they're just banning tiktok because it allows you to speak about a certain belief system the same way the people of that certain belief system can talk about other belief systems

[@tyleredenburn8919]

Is there not an investigation into Googles monopoly?

[@TheMissingDislikeButton]

They already "donated" money to the president so they won't get in trouble

[@dyalani643]

They should ban Temu as well if they are worried about personal information going to China. But they are likely more afraid of Chinese manipulation of political content on the platform.

[@MasicoreLord]

funny you say that, as if they wanted, thanks to that law they passed last year, now they have a possible legal path to effectively do that, TikTok and ByteDance were just their first target.

[@cjc872]

Not about personal information, but information warfare. TikTok has been provably shown to tailor its algorithm to push CCP propaganda both to boost the image of the CCP / China (a hostile foreign nation which has openly hacked critical civilian infrastructure) and to push a “America Bad” narrative.

[@thecrackin-u8p]

Facts, that's 10x worse.

[@KT-pv3kl]

its not about information going to china. tiktok is targeted because its the only popular social media platform that doesn't allow the feds free access to all of its data so they can use it for their own purposes.

[@iiiiiiiiiiiiililiiiiio]

THEY JUST AFRAID OF ANTI ISRAEL

[@PhoeniksStorm]

On one hand. TikTok is absolute cancer on society. On the other hand Government being able to ban any social media is a terrible thing

[@TheRealWinser]

@@PhoeniksStorm the government can do whatever it wants. They very clearly aren't banning ANY app. There is a very clear and present danger with Chinese spyware. This precedent is very specific.

[@kaloyanivanov885]

Why is tiktok a cancer exactly?

[@kaloyanivanov885]

​@@TheRealWinserChinese spyware, huh? Got any proof of that?

[@rami8896]

@@kaloyanivanov885 Isnt the CEO from Singapore?

[@mebep1283]

@@kaloyanivanov885tiktok is created to be the most addictive piece of software ever created. It messes with your attention span and dopamine levels very heavily and there is studies proving that.

[@panqueque445]

Banning individual apps is a losing battle. By the time they get around to actually banning the app, they already have another one ready to go.

[@brenscott5416]

Hence why they turned it into a law so future apps like tiktok can't crop up. This is just the grace period for tiktok since they're about before said enforcement

[@sirmewo5510]

it's about establishing precedence so in future CCP won't be able to pull shit like this

[@CidVeldoril]

@@sirmewo5510 It's not about the CCP at all. It's about being able to shut down social media that doesn't share data with the Feds. :)

[@SlavoidUkr]

RedNote moment

[@panqueque445]

@@sirmewo5510 This won't do shit. Like I said, you ban one, and two more pup up. Literally in this case, as shown in the video. Going after individual apps is useless.

[@chio6433]

as a russian, it's sad when a supposedly free country starts to resemble yours in a lot of small details

[@kylesherman895]

Lol

[@Solo--Solo]

There is nothing free in this world bro

[@Сеньор_Человек]

Русский и американец - братья навек! А если серьёзно, то с подключением. Бизнес давящий конкурентов с помощью государства это не наше изобретение, и к сожалению происходит по всему миру.

[@bozzwick]

Maybe if they stopped banning all of our apps, we could talk. They are getting a taste of their own medicine

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

I disagree. Tiktok seemed to me to be digital cocaine. It's the reason that word of the year at Oxford for 2024 was "Brainrot".

[@giorgio-r3w]

1:24 New Mutahar laughing meme just dropped

[@michaeljmyers1995]

DAMMIT I WAS GONNA SAY THAT HAHAHA

[@Sugarddicted]

LMAO REAL

[@Treevors30]

1:33 you gotta time stamp that shit lol

[@fernandolizano1441]

MOST legendary laugh ever

[@gvwolf]

Muta giving the Joker a run for his money 🤣

[@shambolicc]

Creators who make a living on tiktok bouta become homeless fr.

[@Kennymccormickthecanadian180]

Fr They might just all go to KZbin shorts tbh

[@thegalacticfederation1212]

Homeless Saga, when?

[@fific9571]

Boohoo, they'll have to get a real job.

[@nikolaievans2432]

Will do dances for 40 dollars

[@NearlyAsleep]

hopefully they get a real job instead of making money off of brain rot content

[@Kingofdragons117]

On one hand, I don't like the fact the goverment can just ban a site, on the other hand I hate Social Media. Social media is such a blight, especially short form content. Basically turning down people's attention spans.

[@Dude1923Dumby]

I think the internet as a whole needs a reboot because it turned from good information and connecting with people to a wasteland of the same content rewritten 100 times. Now we have AI pretending to be commenters even worse than ever before and it's being trained on all the shitty Google results which will result in way more bullshit just to serve ads.

[@Nobbie248]

Look what it has done to the youth. It has to go

[@FranklinPugh]

He said on a social media platform

[@ronel7836]

Social Media is a positive and negative, You just saying it's a blight in the world just fills the negative bias us humans love to lean towards. Your just removing the positives that it has, especially for indie developers, artist's, raising awarness, talking to people, etc. Shit, even sometimes it can be what people in certain countries, go to for information that there not gonna find on TV. Once again, I'm not saying it's all positive, that will be a dumb statement, but also saying it's a net negative is just You ignoring all the positives it can bring is just a wierd statement to make

[@sarahtelles1931]

@@Kingofdragons117 yeah but The US corporations who pay almost all politicians off need to profit off of selling their users data on a daily basis China can't be getting it for free now /s

[@grugglethegreat8172]

If American politicians actually cared about citizens privacy, we’d get actual sweeping regulations of all apps and social media in the us. I don’t really care about tictok, everyone has something that waste their time. But I do think that banning it in bad faith is stupid and opens us up to the worst kind of legislation going forward.

[@ollehkacb]

@@grugglethegreat8172 all Chinese company's are required to have Chinese government workers in company buildings. I dont think its as bad faith as people think.

[@DevilsAdvocate_HigherThanU]

Its not about privacy... its about a foreign government influencing citizens. If you don't think the algorithms work then the government is right to protect you from them.

[@victormondragon4184]

It’s not about privacy, they don’t care about that, it’s about national security

[@roscoeorginal]

@@DevilsAdvocate_HigherThanU genuinely, influencing what exactly? The algorithm works to put videos you like in front of you, just like every other social media. Are you against propaganda? Like I want to understand what’s the issue.

[@DeftRevan]

@@DevilsAdvocate_HigherThanU so its okay if The U.S goverment does it then?

[@shiftsync9988]

Bringing "free speech" and "tiktok" in the same sentence is crazy

[@kim-h3l]

Yeah but out off all social media apps except for Twitter, it doesn't censor genuine criticism and politics. Twitter pushes racist and terrible content, insta and youtube's algorithm is terrible.

[@blahblahboii]

@BrilpoetsdoekjePSN CCP is actively pushing anti-israel and anti-jew propaganda. Theyve been internally framing israel as USA's imperial subject in the middle east.

[@Rozarez213]

having big populer application by company owned from other side is better than all application own by only one side. it definitely will give more free speech bcs each application will not ban bad thing about other competitor. theres reason why Telegram are populer bcs its not cencoring ore monitored by the West.

[@ethericbliss23]

@@Rozarez213 WHAT?!? o.0

[@breadogi7118]

@BrilpoetsdoekjePSN can you criticize the ccp?

[@Atlas-c8g]

1:02 obviously this is another example of people associating fascism with just vague authoritarianism, but the root of what she's saying is correct. Banning social media apps is not something a free society should even entertain

[@MrTheinfoman]

You forgot communism as well

[@chuckmarius323]

really? what if someone makes a social media app for say.... stalkers to share potention victim details like that app they have (or used to have) in asia.... a free society shouldn't want that banned then? what if the victims are minors and children?

[@Navi-mogli]

​@@chuckmarius323wtf kinda comparison is that? The fbi take down illegal sites everyday like cp and selling drugs, and stalking is a crime. If you're okay with tik tok getting removed just say that, i probably agree too, its controlled by the ccp and they use different algorithms for Chinese and American tik tok, but dont just use some bs comparisons

[@SituationNormalAint]

what if that app is run by a foreign adversary with malicious intent?

[@pepsusser]

​@@SituationNormalAinthow do you define malicious intent? Seems like an obvious question. But when every other social media acts against consumer interest how do you determine who is truly malicious? It's "but everyone else is allowed to do it! 😡" on a global scale

[@QuadZero8404]

LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU STARTED LAUGHING EXACTLY THE MOMENT SHE SAID FREE SPEECH.

[@camtheman7654]

New muta laugh meme?

[@2358EQ]

Absolutely a deserved "laugh at you" moment from mutahar

[@YusufHassan-y7e]

lol that was too funny

[@thedraftingax5963]

That moment was hilarious 🤣

[@eliaxxz5360]

That shit had me in stitches 😂

[@hateeternalmaver]

_Noone manipulates our people into doing anything, except us!_ -The US Gov.

[@AidenTan-t4n]

Ah yes I remember the us propaganda apps like reels and shorts

[@CyberdyneSystems435]

Best comment!

[@jotarokujo312]

​@@AidenTan-t4n Are we really ignoring how much Facebook and Microsoft cares about your privacy?

[@SituationNormalAint]

​@@AidenTan-t4nUS propaganda? your joking lmao

[@michaeljamesm]

except for a south african immigrant, and maybe russia.. but yea no one!!1!

[@BallisticDamages]

Scary to think i might actually live past the golden age of the internet. I started in the wildwest of the late 90's and early 2000s, so to see the tectonic shifts in the created content and online communities now becoming more and more artificial really hurts. The internet, both as a concept and a community, is honestly so important to me as a person, and i realize this more and more as things get worse and worse

[@averylangs]

If you were online during the wild west pre-corporate era, you definitely experienced the golden age

[@poutineausyropderable7108]

Not just the internet. Either a violent revolution happens or we'll be in the age of corruption. Fucking cyberpunk future without any cool tech.

[@chibiusa]

Same. I honestly hate the way the internet is now. I kinda feel sorry for kids these days, because they never got to experience what the internet was like during the Wild West era, which I personally consider the golden age. We had problems with trolls, sockpuppets, and spammers back then, too, but now, we have spam bots that are out of control and trolls who are given megaphones on all social media platforms to ragebait for engagement instead of being permabanned like they would've been on a forum. It's becoming more and more exhausting to be on social media, especially with the current political climate in the US and around the world and the increase in brain-dead people with main character syndrome accessing the internet. 😭 There are still pockets of the old internet around, but you have to make an effort to find those gems.

[@samanthajeffers9339]

I’m trying to make a website on neocities because of this

[@GM-Shenmue]

@@samanthajeffers9339 yahoo geocities 😢

[@clauskong4183]

she's right though, the point of the ban is supressing freedom of speech. they even said that they think the reason young people are against israel is because of tiktok.

[@TjJd-f8m]

Yep, that's it, there's a clear double standard that exists in the west in regard to how Jews can talk about others and how others can talk about Jews. This fact alone of which I just pointed out would receive immediate backlash to unequal degrees than if I said this about Christianity. You can dedicate a whole show around insulting Christianity funded in the millions, but if you tried that again Judaism you'd be crushed like a bug. Pointing this double standard out is a moral obligation.

[@ratgreen]

Its not about free speech, its because the Gov agencies cant access all the data on its users like it can with meta / google etc. Instead its all going to china (and their gov).

[@ethereal76]

Question: Is the Kabbal the same as the Jew and is the Kabbalist the same as the Jewish?

[@grabasandwich]

The next big thing will just get ruined by corporate interests anyway. The internet sucks now.

[@F40-c4i]

So they create and ruin stuff for fun?

[@ronel7836]

Making a generic comment before watching the full video is an intresting move

[@F40-c4i]

Gen z sucks, boomers were cooler.

[@SynicaIlI]

​@@ronel7836 Their comment doesn't say anything about the video in terms of things talked about in the video itself. They just gave their opinion or thought beforehand

[@WhyDoIHaveAHandle517]

Boomers suck, silent generation were cooler

[@DJchestr]

Tiktoker rants about how bad USA is and how free China is. Then scoffs at the idea that Tik Tok could do exactly that...

[@Warheadson4heads]

yep, this is exactly what the ccp wants

[@Kuggles]

ye thats funny, wait till she finds out about the surveillance

[@FaceBack18]

I swear, any Americans that say shit like this have never been to China in their lives.

[@blahmonmonmon]

@@FaceBack18 how many americans do you think can not only afford to, but choose to go to china for ‘fun’ aside from tourists or misguided exchange/postgrad students?

[@myintmaunmaun]

FABULOUS! Next ban will be fried rice!

[@SlapStyleAnims]

Wish this didn’t have to be a Supreme Court issue because of it setting a precedent if it is banned.

[@PortoDylan]

precedent of what? banning a foreign company because its a security threat? lol. theyre not gonna be able to pull this willy nilly with a homegrown American company 😂

[@GyMntg]

​@@PortoDylan❤❤❤

[@memebump7612]

​@@PortoDylanIf this was because of a security threat, then why aren't other Chinese apps that collect the same data being banned?

[@tfuenke]

Smart guy comment

[@tehbeernerd]

@@PortoDylan the legislation is a bill of attainder (explicitly banned by the American constitution) and the government shouldn’t have the power to shut down a private company. That’s the precedent.

[@lorekeepermeerah]

I gotta say, I dont use tiktok and Ive never been fond of it, but the implications the bill has for banning ANY app that is produced outside the country is scary. I am native american/indigenous, so im already very anti-american lmao, I didnt need an app for that. And what about all the manipulating and data selling american apps and algorithms do? Why arent we protected from them?

[@n1gtwhisper158]

They don't care about user privacy, they care about big data harvesting, which is by far the biggest intelligence threat.

[@maverick9708]

That's how democracy works, they vote to ban tiktok and then it becomes so. Some say it's like 2 wolfs and a sheep voting on dinner but what do I know 😂

[@ghostly5866]

I think shorts should be removed from youtube as well, since it's basically the same thing and a lot of tiktoks end up in there anyways. Insta reels while we're at it. I honestly believe short form content is the gateway to brain rot and content farms.

[@askindale4943]

Huh... What was that? did you say something? Grug read cave painting that move quickly. No time for talk.

[@gairisiuil]

shorts and reels get the government a lot of easily accessible user data. they would never.

[@bayzul7405]

Swear first girl is the teen angst when you learn Hitler in history class, then compare everything Hitler

[@Payton-x3y]

I swear first comment is the teen incompetence when you learn grammar in Language Arts, then compose everything mistakes.

[@GrievousReborn]

I just think it's hilarious because Communist governments also ban freedom of speech.

[@CBonduMiel]

​@@Payton-x3yits probably a bot bro.

[@VikingTeddy]

​@@Payton-x3yShould have asked a Chinese person to proofread.

[@ryelor123]

Yet she'll grow up to be the kind of citizen who would support a man like him.

[@etoillenoir6169]

It’s an unsettling precedent. Saying the government could take away apps whenever they wanted

[@KerzacTransformed]

Not particularly

[@H4L0GUY117]

i mean fair but i think removing tik tok specifically is a net positive, there's a myriad of not so good things that app is responsible for, and that's before the governments reasons

[@AdApT3Rx]

They’re already coming after Tencent and when you look up, how many games are made by studios that are owned by Tencent or majority owned it’s bad

[@no-ic5gw]

​@@KerzacTransformedblind

[@brenscott5416]

I'm sorry, did you think they couldn't before?

[@h24812h]

I swear if someone buys it right before it gets banned.. ugh..

[@ashy_washylmfao]

what? you gonna punch the walls 😭

[@la_woo]

@@jamiedonnelly5436 they won't sell it to anyone that isn't a chinese company, especially not with that algorithm

[@jeffreyvsco]

mr beast 🤣🤣

[@xbabu142x]

They rejected that offer, they insisted Bytedance had to be the owner. They had option to sell so servers were on US soil.

[@steenclifton]

Yea, byte dance have already said they are not selling

[@ghostsys3699]

Kinda expecting my comment to fall on deaf ears, but I'm disappointed by this take. I'm not going to sit here and pretend that Tiktok doesn't have a privacy issue, however, the point has flown through your head completely. The United States has been barrelling torwards an Oligarchy, and I feel like it's easy to miss that, when you yourself do not live here. For you to completely miss the point of a video, and then laugh is so extremely tone deaf. The TikTok ban is proof that the US government does not care about our freedom of speech, or our privacy. If they did, Tiktok would not have been the target for the ban. I wish you would've approached this topic better, rather than straight up laughing in people's faces for a very real issue we are currently facing in the US.

[@kessy628]

Perfect example of the government identifying a problem and then doing a terrible solution.

[@n1gtwhisper158]

What would the solution be? Bytedance refused to sell.

[@kessy628]

Enact actual data protection laws that apply to all social media companies. Tiktok is a special case because of it being owned by Bytedance in China, but I genuinely don't think that it would surprise me to find out that the equivalent data is easily available to the Chinese government via data brokers that just gather data via American social media. Same with the manipulation concerns and advertising/astroturfing on American social media. Imo, the issue isn't Tiktok, it's the general American information landscape. If Tiktok is banned, that doesn't fix the root issue.

[@n1gtwhisper158]

@kessy628 what do you mean by enact "actual data protection laws". TikTok is a Chinese app, it wouldn't do anything.

[@n1gtwhisper158]

@kessy628 what "actual data protection laws" do you mean? TikTok is owned by Bytedance, a Chinese company.

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

⁠@@n1gtwhisper158Something like GDPR equivalent. Force ByteDance to engage in disclosures and compliance checks.

[@wisdomleader85]

I recall that several years ago, I watched an interview with an Indian scientist. He said that when he was young, he dreamed about advancing the world with science and technology, but as he grew older, he began to acknowledge human nature and gradually became conservative. By the time of that interview, he was in his 60s and had shifted his focus to solely preventing science and technology from falling into the hands of those with malicious intent. Unfortunately I don't think our society was mature enough to be aware of what the aforementioned scientist realized when we entered the information age, to effectively regulate data collecting.

[@goldanfeed]

1:24 New laugh dropped

[@Soshikix]

My kid plays the old one on repeat, she's gonna be ecstatic

[@TheWalk-r7q]

Number #1 in my books Long LIFE TO MUTHA

[@chefboyardee9618]

Maybe the best one to date

[@V3LDORA]

If you think banning tiktok is going to improve the world in a meaningful way. I have a bridge to sell you.

[@karumine98]

Tiktok, Instagram, OnlyFans. Also pornography should only be accessible to people who pay. Porn, thirst traps and unrealistic expectations have actually ruined people's mind and morals. This isn't unthinkable. The energy that you spend doing something is gone. And the more you do something, a habit starts to form. It's so disgustingly easy even for children and teenagers to have access to adult content and distractions, that to me it's absurd how anyone can think that these bans *aren't* the right thing to do. To go as far as to accuse the government of fascism is ridiculous. The freedom to do whatever you want shouldn't be confused with the freedom of doing harmful things.

[@MrBeetsGaming]

I hate tiktok which is why I don't use it.... It annoys me so much though to watch a bunch of grown ass people cheering for the government to "ban" it as if that is a good thing, the government has no business telling us what apps we can use.

[@McNyloLT]

Exactly. Funny how these people will distrust everything else the government says, but immediately trust them because le tiktok cringe!!1!1

[@InsincereMotives]

@@McNyloLTReally, not that serious. The US government isn’t suddenly gonna become fascistic and more authoritarian because they got rid of TikTok… You sound like an old man who’s crying about the government’s control, like seriously chill. Both OP and you. Yes, it may be a minor violation of free speech, but it’s TikTok. It’s a net negative, so I can understand getting rid of it. If they start getting rid of things only to restrict freedom of speech then i’ll have an issue. But that isn’t the only case against TikTok, and every other case i stand by, even if it’s done by other social media. TikTok is much more popular among the younger generation than other apps of the same nature. Yes you can cry about “why this and why not that 🥺” but i’d rather they get rid of one than none.

[@OlegVolgin]

4:59 That's literally what's happening in Russia right now. KZbin is banned, Discord is banned, Meta was banned way before, X is banned, I wonder when they are gonna take Twitch from us

[@GM-Shenmue]

It's a favor they are doing to you, they saved you.

[@trumpetmasta92]

Red note is so wholesome, most of my interactions are people asking me to pay the cat tax, which is how they ask for pictures of your cat. I love it, even learned some Chinese already.

[@Naruxos07]

How wholesome. You should make some wholesome and informative world history content that covers events like the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre. There's nothing more wholesome chungus 💯 than truth and facts.

[@trivialqed]

crazy how no one links this ban with the palestina conflict. the bill to ban tiktok existed for yrs but didnt have enough votes to be passed. after oct 7th suddenly had overwhelming votes from both parties. if this was just a national security issue it would've been passed yrs ago

[@leitmotif7268]

Muta’s seriously missing a lot of the intersections of this situation and it’s annoying.

[@lordripage1853]

Let's not talk about how Facebook had been caught selling user data before

[@senpailucy22]

22:24 either your keyboard is haunted or R6 siege is calling you

[@slayer_west]

underrated comment

[@Order182]

I don't need the government telling me what app I can and cant use. The fact people actually need this type of government help is sad

[@michaelfrieze]

Yeah, kind of weird to see Americans supporting this.

[@admiralkaede]

@@michaelfrieze its very sad and this comment section is concerning but then again it explains why he won

[@blahblahboii]

gotta cater to the lowest common denominator- the type of people who see tiktok misinformation and take it as gospel truth.

[@n1gtwhisper158]

​@@admiralkaedeTrump is against the ban lmao

[@thecrackin-u8p]

​@@n1gtwhisper158 HE STARTED THIS SHIT 😂😂😂. I voted for him but only reason he switched was because he saw how much attention and eyes tiktok brought....

[@YoungUsurper]

Hey Mutah, hope you are having a good day. I've been reviewing your Linux content, and just got my old laptop on Mint. Its brought a whole new life to my old hardware, and inspired me to take my home system security more seriously. Keep up the great work! Many Thanks, J

[@510DeshawnPlays]

what was that chick even saying? why does my generation act like we know everything

[@Matt-md5yt]

because some powerful people filled them heads with wrongs

[@LizardSpork]

She's been raised on social media so her ego is hugely inflated.

[@Decton]

Because people get sucked into political bubbles and loose control of it, that's why it's always left vs right, why not just have the good ones of both views?

[@yoshikinanami7434]

She was doing well in the first half, but then she completely tripped and fell off a cliff at the second half of the video

[@maninanikittycat4238]

She didn't pay attention in history class

[@FelixTheGat]

And RedNote goes wild!

[@Matt-md5yt]

ikr

[@Pizza21002]

I met someone today who said they're using it lol

[@redgradiantman9588]

More CCP spyware! Yay🎉

[@Pizza21002]

@@redgradiantman9588 happily giving away their info, then in 6 months will be surprised on why there's a fake profile of them scamming people lol

[@Majoraexp]

It's really popular right now I noticed lol

[@mountainmonkey15]

I got banned from Rednote already for posting the XI jingping Whinnie the Pooh pic lol

[@BlackTiger3410]

Tiktok is owned by a Singaporean man who uses chinese servers because it’s cheaper, and doesn’t even use the chinese servers for American Tiktok because American Tiktok, has its own data servers.

[@alicevioleta3184]

it's been proven in court that tiktok is not chinese.

[@rami8896]

@@alicevioleta3184 Seeing the senator being racist to the CEO was disgusting. Im surprised he didnt say "whats the difference?" when he said "Im Singaporean"

[@iaarsoismdiab7620]

This is wrong. The Singaporean man is the CEO of Tiktok not its owner. Tiktok is owned by the Chinese company ByteDance.

[@kylesherman895]

@@BlackTiger3410 ByteDance literally has a CCP committee

[@freezingferry1412]

Banning tiktok is not gonna fix anything. All the tiktokers are just gonna flock to youtube shorts and maybe reels

[@keithtiger3947]

that's kind of the point. It's just an anticompetitive move to boost U.S. social media and feed the pockets of zuck and melon

[@steenclifton]

Don’t know if anyone watches those though?

[@brownseed777]

That's their plan b. My girlfriend is a tiktok addict and that's her and all her friends plans to do if it gets banned

[@skiez7430]

Bold to assume tiktokers would switch to shorts considering how hated it is

[@diegomedina9637]

not quite... KZbin might have copied TikTok with their shorts but they never took off as they did with TikTok.

[@reniorjd]

lol funnier considering that India also banned the app too.

[@TriloByte101]

If IT guys says it's a problem, you better believe it.....

[@kaloyanivanov885]

​@@TriloByte101They already had a hearing and congress made a fool of themselves. Not to mention the entire bill BS. It was in the same bill as supporting ukraine. Educate yourself, lil bro. Not to mention those "so called experts" that manipulative pricks like to use only take advantage of your ignorance. Don't believe people just because they are "experts"

[@rami8896]

Lol so the US is just like India

[@reniorjd]

@@rami8896 nope China is just that much of an issue. Outside of just banning it many others countries view the app with suspicion and also restrict it usage on more sensitive devices.

[@vishishify]

And it got replaced by like 6 other apps that do the same thing.

[@sbjchef]

As a Brit I can spot an empire when I see one and I can't tell the difference between the USA and China just different versions of exploitation, neglect and control, Empires all have one thing in common; they fall.

[@leitmotif7268]

That’s literally the discussion happening between Chinese and American users on Xiaohongshu right now if Muta wasn’t too busy laughing at a woman to notice

[@stevendashley6209]

why cant we ban foreign interests from buying us property?

[@pauls5745]

ikr. Many countries in Asia don't allow foreign ownership of property. Works fine for them.

[@michaelpfogerty]

2:10 I've never seen a thumbnail come to life before

[@BillyHan]

Tbh Tiktok has the worst algorithm for me compared to KZbin and Instagram

[@Helfirehydra]

Tick-tock’s algorithm is designed to push brain rot to American users Because the communist party literally pressure TikTok to create algorithms that make American children stupider And they create algorithms that push educational information to Chinese users To make their population smarter

[@Yaboyshock]

Were all moving to rednote big dog its been pretty funny cause the Chinese natives have been making jokes about being spies and there's been this cool culture exchange of memes and shit

[@tsl-p4q]

The fact that those two presidents have been going back and forth about banning tik Tok to me means that they ultimately think that the threat pose by it is either minimal or manageable. Feels like what they are doing here are just drama to get that large chunk of tiktoker vote.

[@Andrew-so8td]

They should go after Facebook first, cause the amount of shit happening on there, never mind fucking twitter, or war thunder forums

[@CREDLACE]

Let's be honest, kids shouldn't be allowed into any social media, period. That being said, parents also should be aware of what their kids are using and actually f*cking raising them instead of using an iPad.

[@nickmudd]

I think the issue is EVERY social media and their algorithms. They feed you content related to what you usually watch, so if you start watching questionable videos, social media will feed you that and put you in an echo chamber so the user thinks "everyone" thinks the same as them

[@verskarton]

Don’t see why the USA is limiting to only TikTok. They also need to ban Temu, Shien and Genshin Inpact.

[@simaknaveedakther8755]

Genshin Impact is from South Korea

[@GM-Shenmue]

@@simaknaveedakther8755 it's from China.

[@cassette_tape]

Agreed

[@fry1458]

Why do you think that? Genshin is from China lol

[@simaknaveedakther8755]

@@fry1458 My bad I'm not a big Genshin gamer 😂

[@thechartech]

Tbh I would partially agree with that first video. US just wants you to use their app and wants to monitor and control your information wholly. Sure china does it too, but 'murica. Gotta limit freedoms if we aren't the ones controlling that freedom.

[@nofbi8582]

Have you ever thought that's because there are corrupt people in the government who are wittingly and unwittingly work with foreign powers to disrupt bills to protect the citizens, push ideologies in our media and government, and use social networking to distribute propaganda? Like the CCP has been admitting they are doing for the past 10 damn years? Shanghai United Media Group, FBI, CSIS, CIA, ETC. all making many documents describing how China is using things like web brigades to convince a massive amount of the population to not trust our police, firearms, military, and government socially and economically dividing us... LIKE CHINA HAS SAID THEY ARE DOING MULTIPLE TIMES. smh.

[@evillecaston]

To be fair, I agree that TikTok is an existential threat. For that reason, we need to keep it up, so they stay contained there.

[@imliterallyadachi]

cornball final boss

[@ethericbliss23]

Sounds idealist in and of itself... and in which fantasy setting would this ACTUALLY work??? XD XD

[@ginqus]

what kinda existential threat you talking abt? you think the humanity will die out outta pure brainrot or something?

[@ethericbliss23]

​@@ginqus I don't think they're "worried" about "brain rot," as that entails actual necrosis, and at that juncture, the afflicted isn't going to be a threat to anybody. Now, 'programming' is something altogether different. As idealists can be willing to do atrocious things not only to themselves, but what's worse, is what they are willing to do to OTHERS. I swear, the BLATANT ignorance is astonishing... or is it malice?! Either way, it's completely unnecessary and uncalled for. : / in RE to, @ginqus' RE below: what kinda existential threat you talking abt? you think the humanity will die out outta pure brainrot [sic] or something?

[@Brizizaz]

That laugh man had me dying lmao, wish i could subscribe twice lmaooooo

[@memebump7612]

Muta laughing at that woman is the first time I've ever been annoyed with him. He chose to become the living personification of 'umm, actually...' In that moment and completely missed the point.

[@verdancyhime]

The great firewall of China is real. But the girl is still correct. Muta is not a propaganda guy tho he's a tech guy. I'm a propaganda girl. China has no vested interest in the USA maintaining their status quo. Chinese companies also make more money when people in the USA who are regular laborers have more disposable income, whereas the US government wants college to be too expensive so young people join the military and gets donations from big banks who profit off consumer debt.

[@bakedtiger413]

Same, with him being Canadian he is looking at our situation from the outside. For us in the US this is terrifying because TikTok gives us unfiltered news and media from around the world that isn't filtered through American media. Tiktok is such a big eye opener for a lot of Americans to see how the rest of the world functions, and functions better than the US. We are going to be losing those connections to the rest of the world, which is terrifying to us.

[@zelohendricks51]

Nice to see folks not blindly agreeing with Muta

[@Inspirator_AG112]

*Being kind of an O.G to the Internet, I prefer KZbin, however, I still don't think TikTok is worth banning...* (Yes, even with the history of bad trends. Contrary to popular belief, that side of TikTok is not the majority of its userbase.)

[@fallenlegend8888]

It's funny considering a lot of people enjoy the content from KZbin shorts which are mostly reuploads from TikTok lol

[@Decton]

​It's the same shit but instead from china it's from the u.s

[@ollehkacb]

What about the fact that all Chinese owned companies are legally required to have a ccp work post?

[@WanOlDan]

FInally, someone with some common sense.

[@phatmartyplays332]

I’m glad you have brain cells the other people in this comment section don’t and assume that tik tok is nothing but brain rot cringe when they have never used tik tok so they don’t known

[@uros.u.novakovic]

The only reason why I want TikTok to remain is because if it goes down, those idiots who use it will have to find a new home. And that means they might come to apps and platforms that the rest of us use.

[@Mamazephis]

update its gone guys, rest in peace tiktok (for now)

[@Masterbates-Conner]

Deleting socials is the best decision I've ever made, it's nice not seeing slop given to me. KZbin is literally the only Internet I use

[@astherphoenix9648]

When it comes to Israel and Palestine, the news I got from tiktok was way more clear, factual and nuanced than other apps tbh

[@netrodex]

look... I never liked tiktok, but! I understand, why they like it. the gov only give a damn about this ban, instead of the LA fires! Jesus.... also... you know what happened to KZbin when vine got shut down. Anyways, I'm not pro this Ban. as much as a Dislike tiktok, it deserves a place. it took me years to realized that.

[@SlavaArduino123]

Gentlemen, synchronize your death watches.

[@ashtonhowell3038]

While I hate tik tok I hate the government more. This is a complete over reach and the government should be forced to change their ways by the people.

[@user-Roosie_Roo13]

TikTok acted fast when I was underage going live. I didn’t know the age limit because I was over 13 and didn’t know you had to be over 18 to go live, but less that 2 minutes in it told me I could no longer go live. I know this doesn’t prove anything but I js wanted to say this.

[@Malignantt1]

I dont care as i dont use tik tok but saying youre banning tik tok for security and privacy reasons is a load of bull shit, every american platform does the exact same shit but were not banning them

[@Adel69702]

U did by commenting

[@Malignantt1]

@ nice rage bait Nate H

[@Adel69702]

@@Malignantt1 there's no rage bait it's common sense

[@morrisdennison8039]

lol everyone moving to red note is hilarious

[@SkiryTheRat]

I got it today and I love it, the community is so welcoming and funny

[@leitmotif7268]

Hilarious how bad most of our social media apps are compared to just Xiaohongshu. It’s basically the best parts of instagram, Pinterest, and TikTok with yelp reviews for restaurants too. The UI was fairly easy to navigate yesterday in spite of the mandarin but since then they’ve been working like crazy to make the app accessible to westerners and the Chinese users have been very friendly and welcoming, teasing us with memes and demanding cat photos. Students are asking us for help with their English homework. There are posts asking for questions about how American/Chinese are perceived and propagandized to think about the other, the cross-cultural communication happening on that app right now is probably making both our governments lose it.

[@tehbeernerd]

It’s legitimately better than TikTok and it’s a valuable cultural exchange hub

[@roscoeorginal]

They just us, with a language barrier

[@FaceBack18]

The brainrot in this reply thread makes me laugh.

[@thetexassaint6571]

Yet Tencent, owner of Discord is still hanging around all good. Look that company up.

[@StephenMcGregor1986]

They been declared a Chinese military company and "have to stop"

[@amematoi]

they also own Epic Games, right?

[@StephenMcGregor1986]

They own, are involved with, have shares in so many things. Gonna be hard to eliminate dealing with them despite the declaration of classing them as a 'Chinese Military Company'.

[@unknownman5090]

@@saltysprixels9115 Being majority technically turn you into the owner. I don't know about america but the decisions literally yours when you become majority stakeholder.

[@unknownman5090]

@ That is what I mean technically. Your "Yes" and "No" is more powerful than a whole essay if you a major stakeholders. that's why some only limit outside party to only 49%.

[@miguelguillermo6159]

That was a good Mutha laugh man, I'm glad you're back on content you enjoy!

[@3_character_minimum]

My bigger concern as a non TikTok user... is the tumblr effect... where are all the tiktok degens going. FB is just trashed thier fact checkers, and X is a dumpsteer fire already.

[@koifishlovr]

you cant cry about data when you use twitter and facebook lmao

[@JessicaWhite02]

Naitional Security, right... What worries me is the precedence this will set. What if the government just decides to ban any app they don't like? That would be concerning.

[@HoLDoN4Sec]

just that the whole national threat opposition to TikTok was that it is actually and quite literally OWNED by the Chinese government (basically in China, every single factory and company is owned by the government by law and must oblige with whatever the CCP orders them to do otherwise they will be jailed). TikTok has shown in more than enough examples that its algorithm is basically socially manipulative and that by design it was brought to the west solely to shorten the attention span of young people and make people ignorant and dumb about everything. thats the whole reason why TikTok is on fire and is concerned as a national security risk by the US Government, the European Security Council, India, Japan, and the UK. that is not to say that Meta/Facebook are not doing the same thing, but unlike TikTok they are not owned by a communist enemy government which are the biggest threat to the modern world and the biggest alarming country which will initiate world war 3.

[@nofbi8582]

They aren't just... banning any app they don't like lol.....

[@overthinkinggamer7377]

um tiktok is banned in China. They have their own version of the app. Also, it isn't "owned" by a chinese company: it's 60% owned by international companies, not bytedance. Also, I just gotta say it: shitting on tiktok in the year of 2025 just makes you sound like such a boomer bro. It's the same thing as the boomers before shitting on youtube or Twitter, or Facebook saying how attention spans are lower than ever. This shit's been said for so long and it will be said till the end of time. I was the same way at one point until I started using it and my life has been made better because of it. I get privacy concerns; I'm just sick and tired of people shitting on things they don't understand or don't use. It's so easy to do and so braindead.

[@MrLucky5001]

they should be happy that don't live in a country where VPNs are also not allowed

[@MasicoreLord]

Assuming that ban is finalized, TikTok will unlikely be able to stay on the Google or Apple app stores, since those companies are based in America (so they are unlikely allowed to even let the app be published there at all). So the platform itself is likely in trouble beyond America too, as it won't be as easy to hop on.

[@mirainosymphony]

For android they can let users download apk files on their own website or third party website, or make it available on Huawei AppGallery type of alternative app stores, since Android allows sideloading. Also there's Altstore for iPhones (which is bit tedious but doable every 7 days). Maybe Android might get some advantage in competition for tiktok users.

[@MasicoreLord]

Update: Apparently assuming TikTok's American branch isn't divested by Sunday, TikTok plans to shutdown for Americans, letting creators on the platform have the chance to get what was posted there.

[@carpetburns1222]

Not sure why the government would want to ban tiktok when it provides so much growth and economical potential for businesses which in turn helps increase profit for everybody.

[@dethon2legs]

because it's allowing for the sharing of ideas between current generations which the 90 year olds in congress hate

[@yittmashups]

50 cents earned.

[@s3s_]

To be honest that was one of the apps that wasnt suppressing the genocide

[@alicevioleta3184]

that girl is spitting pure facts. she's using fascism wrong, but she's right.

[@slash4660]

she says tiktok Is not a security risk when it absolutely is

[@SuperBoop]

​@slash4660 what giant tech company isn't a security risk? I'm sure TikTok operates Similarly to Google or Facebook. And I don't know why that's so hard for people to understand. It doesn't matter where the company or developers originate from, the goal is money, user data, and keeping people on their services.

[@lJ0blixen]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@BartEnder2006]

@@slash4660i just want privacy, but everything is a security risk.

[@InsincereMotives]

Girl is absolutely not right, what are you on.

[@davidsaade4682]

I love how TikTok is considered a threat while I got a COMMUNIST AD on this video

[@Autumnsauce]

I work in federal contracting and our company has a strict no TikTok policy on work phones. I thought that was the norm heh

[@Gagarinaut]

TikTok had it's pros & cons. It helped to capture breaking news, and sadly allowed social degenerates cause chaos in social settings. The Chinese connection goes without saying.

[@libertariansasquatch]

Is it really about the money they put into the algorithm? Or is it that they don’t want you to see what the algorithm promotes?

[@kingpotato1583]

Mostly disappointed because it was a reliable to find out what was happening in the world that the main stream/ US media wouldn't write about. Also the memes on there were the best and the comments were almost always funny. Unfortunately the main social media websites are way too overrun by propaganda bots and some of the most hate filled brainwashed people.

[@phatmartyplays332]

I agree for example its where I got my weather I love those short tik toks that talk about the weather patterns like the artic blast and what to expect

[@phatmartyplays332]

The idiots in this comment section must think they’re cool saying they hate tik tok and that it should be banned because it’s nothing but cancer when they don’t actually use tik tok

[@Numbuh4Forever2010]

I hope they don’t ban it

[@TheDieseI]

A former TikTok employee put up an AMA on Twitter One of the top questions was the following Q: Would you let high school aged kids use TikTok A: "Hardest no possible" That is the reason why the ban is good

[@venusluv-i1v]

Let's be real, though, TikTok being banned is about free speech, not protection. Visiting a website is like visiting another country. Are they going to infringe on our right to visit and explore other places? I get that accessing data is a concern due to privacy, but then that can apply to any country and every company. It just feels like an overreach.

[@DevilsAdvocate_HigherThanU]

Not about privacy, its about influence. If you don't understand how tiktok influences then the government is in the right to protect you.

[@accountname7738]

I thought this was bad too until I realized it's only banning companies from *HOSTING* tiktok and it's services, meaning, Apple and Google need to remove the app from it's stores. However, the tiktok domain and website should still be accessable without any restrictions. If that's the case, I'm all for this ban. It'll stop 95% of people from using Tiktok, without violating open internet policies. This is great!

[@user-dr2sr9ft4x]

It also means your ISP can't connect you to it, what would the point of the bill be if it only blocked the app?

[@accountname7738]

@user-dr2sr9ft4x No it doesnt put any mandates on the ISPs, they can still allow you to access the free and open internet. The point of banning the app is to stop 95% of people who won't go out of their way to access it via other means.

[@nofbi8582]

@user-dr2sr9ft4x This is not how this is going to work... LOL, Tiktok is not becoming "Illegal" There will be fines, fees, and dues for sending information back to China. If tiktok moves all their servers and operations to the U.S they can continue... BUT they'll never do that because the propaganda AI they use to push certain things to certain people all operate on CCP servers You don't think they use propaganda algorithms? Man you'd hate to look at what patents bytedance and tencent owns.

[@idanthyrsus6887]

Tiktok let people Criticize Israel and the jewish owned governance can't have that 😢 shut it down

[@openperspective5423]

tiktok probably dont know tiananmen square and winnie the pooh

[@katierobbins1961]

I feel like this is also Meta/Facebook/Instagram lobbyists because this only became big since Reels has come out, I think it might be Meta trying to get its hands on every single social media format. They tried with Threads to get Twitter's market and they basically want Meta's apps to be the only option to get the short-form content fix. I don't think this possible monopoly would ever get broken up because there's been little action against the data collection and based on the Snowden leaks, these privacy breaches are beneficial to the US government.

[@Doo-l5x]

5:25 unless the government is limiting your free speech in the public sphere. Incorrect, the tiktok ban limits tiktok's freedom of speech. If they KZbin, your speech is limited, no doubt. But the actual limit on free speech is on KZbin's free speech. Keep in mind, YT can limit your speech as the company is private. But, the government banning YT, seems to actually limit speech in the public sphere

[@DaACTUALLYREALReddie]

Bro changed the title and thumbnail, TWICE.

[@Mimiiii_VEV0]

muta needs those slop content clicks

[@home3363308]

Its a YT feature that changes it to reach more audience.

[@Mimiiii_VEV0]

@home3363308 oh what really? Wasn't aware that was thing, seems kind of cool but at the same time confusing for people whove already seen the video

[@ImARealHumanPerson]

The ignorence in the comments here is off the charts 😅 Dunning-kruger effect in full swing.

[@RealZerenaFan]

Wikipedia Says: “The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people with limited competence in a particular domain overestimate their abilities.”

[@N0lukc]

​​@@RealZerenaFanwell, how astute of you. Lol

[@tafYT.]

they told me.. they told me i was CRAZY for uploading on youtube shorts.. now look at them.. weak.. PATHETIC!!!

[@The_Defiance]

My question is not what will happen after the ban, but how the doublehander they’re gonna enforce this. VPNs are most likely just gonna help people use tic tok essentially making the ban useless. It’s literally a second prohibition era but instead of alcohol it’s a media app

[@Sydscam]

What has you laughing like such a fool? She's has a lot of points

[@Gravitypiece]

I don't care about tic tok but don't like government getting involved

[@chavito808]

"Eh" - Huey Freeman, The Boondocks ("It's a Black President, Huey Freeman")

[@_Forty-2_]

Let me use this overused phase: We got new Muta laugh before GTA 6.

[@squirlequirrell1700]

Ppl don’t realize that tt is such a diff social media than any others (in a good and bad way). It being banned removes a large form of internet discussion that is absent on other social medias (yt, insta, x, etc)

[@BingeHD720]

1:30 that laugh was amazing. Brought a smile to my face.

[@NothingBeatsHomeMade]

Any creators who make a living off TikTok who consider themselves ruined after the 19th should probably have listened to the old adage: Don't put all your eggs in one basket.