The TKon Empire

We don't know much about the ancient Tkon empire, except that it could shift stars, planets and build advanced A.I. called the portals to guard over their outposts.
What wiped them out? Why did they vanish? Let's look at what we do know.
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[@Marbo12f]

"There is always a more ancient mysterious precursor civilization." - Last inscription of an ancient, mysterious precursor civilization.

[@JDEhlert]

I still await the return of Ozymandias. ;)

[@jameymckay2248]

Just how close to the creation of reality does the first civilization begin?

[@jameymckay2248]

Also, remember this: The Milky Way is only one of BILLIONS of galaxies. The first interstellar civilization may not have happened here. Good luck finding it.

[@JDEhlert]

@@jameymckay2248 At this point? The Preservers. The first humanoids species in the Milky Way Galaxy. They developed roughly 4 billion years after the Milky Way developed which came about roughly 800 to 900 million years after the Universe left its hot birth stage. Before then...we're looking at any possible life forms being so different that we have yet to fully comprehend them.

[@DogsRNice]

What if we’re that advanced precursor civilization

[@richx5064]

The Preservers, the TKon, Organians, so on. Next video you should put all these ancient races together and draw a picture of what the Alpha Quadrant looked like back then.

[@janreznak881]

Excellent idea.

[@viciousyeen6644]

Great idea! I remember seeing a timeline picture like that somewhere a long time ago

[@keithtorgersen9664]

Somewhere in that mix are the Founders.

[@LickMyRainbow77]

How interstellar empires fall might be a good topic for a future episode

[@ficoe39udovcic40]

Next season of Discovery : Jumps 600000 years in past 😂😂

[@JDEhlert]

@@ficoe39udovcic40 What? And give Picard nothing to do after he... oooh, cookies!

[@anthonyramirez9925]

Usually something stupid

[@Zyrdalf]

When the ancient remains of the Klingon, Romulan, and the Federation are found but bits and pieces left over after many ages, the oldest civilization of all still goes through space. Unchanged for millennia, still searching for things that make them go.

[@LordProteus]

I recall the destruction of the T'kon homeworlds Star was caused by a Q-like being known as Zero, who had a bet with Q, on weather or not the T'kon would be able to overcome the impending supernova of their home-systems star. When the T'kon were about to stabilize their star, Zero made it go supernova so he would not lose the bet. The Q continuum tried to bring Zero to account for this, but Zero had Friends in the Q Continuum who came to his defence and Q war occurred.

[@DocWolph]

The Romulan Homesystem, before it got blowed up, is so weird, having to roughly equal sized planets, Romulus and Remus, in a shared orbit without smashing into each other or flinging apart from the other, it could be artificial.

[@bigguy7353]

*two

[@worldofthought8352]

The artificial planets sound like a good theory It could be possible the Romulans has in fact colonized on long abandoned Tkon worlds, and maybe the Romulans quantum singularity stems from it.

[@jeffumbach]

That and they get so close to each other without tearing each other apart either.

[@hanelyp1]

2 planets sharing an orbit, forming an equilateral triangle with their star, is a nice dynamically stable arrangement. Unlikely to form naturally but not implausible. There's a curious pair of moons in our own solar system sharing an orbit, more or less. One in a slightly closer orbit than the other, until it almost catches up with the partner, and pull each other to swap orbital positions, the former chaser becoming the chased. Viewed from one moon, the other is seen to approach from one side, retreat, then later approach and retreat on the other side.

[@DocWolph]

@@hanelyp1 Just being sure you know. Romulus and Remus do not just share an orbit they actually orbit each other. Two planets in sure a state do not happen naturally.

[@christopherg2347]

One sentence stuck in my mind: "Bipedal form - excellent." This indicates the taking of the form was automatic. And that it was not a given for him, but definitely a preference.

[@uss_04]

My morning blearly eyes and brain read this notification as the "TikTok Empire"

[@Mercilessonion]

I claim this planet on behalf of the TikTok Empire....

[@Glitch_Online]

TikTok Empire is on its way to ruling the world... Space seems like the next logical choice.

[@DMSProduktions]

Oh fuck me!

[@DMSProduktions]

@@Glitch_Online It's a SCAM! (Like Uber!)

[@carlh-thehermitwithwi-fi679]

1:18 - the T'Kon talked to the Organians" mind blown Wonder how that went!

[@PathsUnwritten]

You guys like Andorian Ale? Hell NO! We Drink Romulan Ale ...war

[@paulnightwolf9043]

Who😏

[@toomanyaccounts]

q continuum novels has the Organians brush off the T'kon and the T'kon left them alone.

[@DoctorX17]

Kinda crazy to think that a society that has dominion over the literal stars and is an interstellar power could be destabilized/destroyed by a single supernova...

[@MandalorV7]

Well one could argue that the home world would still be the center of government and cult. Maybe with the home world gone rival factions began to fight amongst themselves.

[@ManicPandaz]

That’s a good point. Though you have to keep in mind humans are expansionist by nature in Trek. We’re cockroaches... we breed and spread more than most other species. Some Trek species, especially older/ancient ones tend to be a bit xenophobic and very bound to their home star system. Combine that with the cultural storehouse that would be the home planet of a culture hundreds of thousands of years old. Losing the home system could mean losing most of your history... or even population. As their home system would of been heavily engineered to maximize population and production in a species that can engineer entire solar systems. In such a culture all outer colonies could be used to fuel and build on the home solar system. Think of(or look up) the World Ship from the TV show Andromeda as an example. They could of had something like that with most of their civilization in one solar system.

[@DoctorX17]

@@ManicPandaz mmm, fair... Not everyone thinks like humans. Star systems are huge, you could probably fit a few hundred trillion people in various structure in that space, or carefully placed planets all over. I hadn't considered that they might stay in one place due to xenophobia

[@merendell]

@@DoctorX17 If they went full on dyson swarm the number is closer to the quadrillions. constructing orbital habitats and spreading out to soak up all the sunlight from the central star. More if you assume they are not dependant on solar output for their energy needs. thats a fairly safe bet considering some of the other power's they've shown. Frankly most scifi writers are bad at estimating how many people should be in an interstellar civilization. they put out numbers for galaxy spanning civs that could be packed into a single system as long as you didnt confine yourself to earthlike planets. Problem is this makes it even more absurd that a super nova would take them out. There are theoretical techniques for harvesting mass off a star useing nothing more advanced than what we possess today. Just requires space access, lots of automation, the will to initiate the project and time. Its more or less a side branch of the same tech you'd need to house most of your population in orbital habitats. takes hundreds of thousands of years but you basicly pull matter off the star till its mass is below the limit where it can go supernova. going a step further you keep all the non hydrogen for makeing other stuff and carefuly feed the hydrogen back into the star and you can keep it going for far longer than its natural lifespan. The only reason we couldnt start such a project today is we'd need to get sufficient industry out of earths gravity well to bootstrap the rest. look up the "Starlifting" episode from Isaac Arthur here on youtube if the topic intrests you.

[@DoctorX17]

@@merendell yeah, space is *huge*, and estimating how many people can fit... Not something on a scale humans are used to. One of the other things with a star going supernova -- it's not something that happens suddenly, like in a few hours, so you'd think they would have noticed with all their fancy powerful tech and dealt with it... Starlifting does sound really cool, definitely looking into that.

[@NitpickingNerd]

they were the ones that put the 8 stars with a planet in the middle as a warning beacon , yet no one ever saw it until a few Romulan nuns accidently found it , and then never shared the warning with anyone

[@paulgrattan3885]

You just answered your own question. It was Romulans who found it. And knowing the Romulans penchant for secrecy. And since these stars are in Romulan space that explains why no one else knows about them. Starfleet knows next to nothing of what's inside their borders.

[@scottmantooth8785]

*those are some naughty alien nuns you've got there...and i'll just leave it at that*

[@joseaguilar3323]

I dont want to defend that ridiculous cyber Lovecraft plot, but it makes perfect sense for the Romulans to keep that to themselves, based on everything we know about them. The actual plot of Picard was awful, but lore-wise everything was on point

[@NitpickingNerd]

@@joseaguilar3323 except a unique star system of 8 stars would be visible to everyone in the quadrant especially with advanced subspace telescopes . so the federation would know about it

[@Nostripe361]

@@NitpickingNerd All they would know was that there was a weird system with eight stars. Interesting but nothing more than a scientific curiosity that the Federation would never get answers too until the fall of the empire; by which time the Romulans would have destroyed any thing they felt was dangerous.

[@Zyrdalf]

“There’s always an older fish” - a quote from a long time ago.

[@nelsoncabrera6464]

That Voth burn had me in stitches.

[@CZ350tuner]

Actually they've not achieved much in the 65 million years that they fled the Earth.

[@WallyBChamp]

Lol that ending is awesome. "Except that group, they suck" ha ha

[@benbrown8258]

This race has always fascinated me. Thank you Rick greatly for covering them and I hope their descendants show up within a solid Cannon somewhere in the Star Trek universe.

[@Timberwolf69]

"Within a solid Cannon"... Uh... Why should someone show up inside a cannon? Except for a 'living cannonball' artist shooting themselves across the fair, perhaps... 🤔 But from the context, I guess you thought of a well-written story that fits nicely into the established canon.

[@markv1974]

Mzkenzie calhoun

[@toomanyaccounts]

there is a series of very good Q novels you should read. ties up a lot of loose ends in the Kirk era as well.

[@dupersuper1938]

According to the Q Continuum novels, the T'Kon nova was caused by an evil being named O.

[@bigness4231977]

good novels!!!

[@drachasor]

Oh

[@xXKirkSoloXx]

Those novels are half fun time and space adventure and half crisis on a damaged Enterprise described in excruciating, tedious minute-by-minute detail. (iirc)

[@JDEhlert]

@@drachasor My she has been around a long time, hasn't she? ;)

[@Sephiroth144]

DAMN YOU SANDRA!!

[@zeroworldcraft]

This channel is my peace-time. Needed it!

[@bear8696]

"pull your socks up Voth" that was funnier then it should have been today

[@jeremymunsch8592]

Very enjoyable, didn't know much about the Tkon or their place in the time line. Thank you!

[@alex30425]

They play a big part in the new Star Trek: Resurgence game.

[@northernwisp]

Best one yet, nice Video.

[@jasonryan3541]

Another great video. Thanks Rick.

[@finregan9322]

Ooooh yes please...Keep the worlds and planets coming Rik....Splendid

[@Kalrell]

Ohh hai Azys La. Such a fantastic location. 👏

[@nobleactual7616]

Oh hai Mark

[@carlh-thehermitwithwi-fi679]

0:02 - clicks 'like'...says "hi Dr. Rick!"

[@aholland20132]

As a general comment, I would like to say how creatively and satisfyingly Rick connects existing canon to the various topics he explores. Some things that I have been myself confused by in my "head canon" are explained with a degree of consistency that is surprising. I always look forward to Rick's commentary and opinions - and if he ever opens up a Patreon page I know that I'll gladly support it!

[@robertfarr9186]

So these guys are the next baddie “back from the past to take over the present” guys in STOL?

[@JDEhlert]

There's also the Solanae, and... Andromeda.

[@toomanyaccounts]

@@JDEhlert you mean the many tentactled aliens who can take humanoid form and turn people into salt whatever geometric form that they did

[@NoJusticeNoPeace]

@@JDEhlert I was convinced that The Burn from Disco was going to be related to the rising radiation levels making the Andromeda Galaxy uninhabitable that the Kelvans talk about. It would have been much better than what we got.

[@worldofthought8352]

Seems bit of a short sighted trend from many sci-fi writers who do this. 'This civilization, old and advanced...clearly evil who want to destroy the younger present civilization we been watching so far.' Would that mean then if the Federation never collapses in the centuries to come that it too will be fated to become ancient but evil empire to any younger civilizations thousands of years from that time?

[@plantguy9]

The voth have a holier than thou attitude to us "lowly" mammals.

[@DocWolph]

And it is not really deserved. They pick on one lone Starfleet vessel, Voyager, without knowing just how easily the Federation could steamroll them.

[@tepacana6319]

Imagine taking longer than 20 million years to pass the singularity. Cringe.

[@ManicPandaz]

The entire point of the Voth episode was to show how religious dogma can hold a civilization back, not matter how advanced. The Voth history is filled with their biases slowing advancement, like with trans-warp technology. Their obsession with genetic purity/superiority would probably hold them back from any form of ascension to an extra dimensional plane. Why improve your species if you already think you’re the best one out there 🤷‍♂️

[@DocWolph]

@@ManicPandaz I was a given. I was drawing inferences with Christianity before the Reformation. Also the "Humanity First" mantra running through Sci-fi and fantasy, in the last few decades. I wonder how Starfleet would handle a truly advanced species and/or civilization that really was not held back by such attitudes, and really put humans on the stump for acting advanced when they really weren't. "One does not have to tell others he is a man, it is self-evident upon first sight." or "One does not have to tell others they are [advanced or evolved], it is self-evident upon first sight." The Q tried to make their case, but really come off as mere people with hyper-advanced toys, like the Greek Gods. I think two of the very few truly advanced species ever encountered in Star Trek were the Prophets(DS9) and the Organians(TOS). "Adults, who are not their parents, do not play with children."

[@andrefalksmen1264]

@@DocWolph I think it's pretty evident from their position of both transwarp as well as their ability to beam Voyager into a cargo hold and disabled its entire systems, that the Voth are the clearly Superior species, even if it took them 20 million years to get there.

[@billberndtson]

Great video as always 😊

[@multivex6448]

Great video. Similar one about the other various precursor civilisations would be cool

[@darinbauer8122]

I totally forgot that the Voth had intraphasic cloaking! Another excellent video!

[@MrAndyoneill]

Another great video.

[@justinberdell7517]

I always loved the TKon empire! This channel always has great topics

[@patrickmccurry1563]

Why do they keep making habitable stars go supernova in Star Trek? Only giant stars that won't last even 50 million years let alone the billions required for life to evolve go boom like that.

[@zacm.2342]

Of all the things in Trek, you're questioning that?

[@ManicPandaz]

That’s a good point. Especially when any star about to go super nova would of been lethal to organic life long ago. The death throws of a star going super nova would kill of a civilization millions of years before it went boom. The star Betelgeuse would kill of any life in that solar system with out even going boom yet.

[@stanislavkostarnov2157]

supernova are just a form of weapon used by section 31 to wipe out species when they are no longer needed in the timeline. if you got the math worked out, you can get a star on a decade precise fuse billions of years in advance....

[@AnonEyeMouse]

@@ManicPandaz Tox Uthat. Some one is exterminating space faring races and they have been doing it for a very long time.

[@benallen7704]

@@AnonEyeMouse they need a flashlight for the forest is quite dark at night...

[@CZ350tuner]

The Voth fled the earth 65 million years ago, believing that the Dinosaur Doomsday asteroid would destroy the planet.

[@gas132]

who knows, maybe they collapsed in on themselves multiple times over, losing their tech along the way we'll never find out

[@ManicPandaz]

@@gas132 A large part of was religious dogma. As stated that their dogma kept them back from trans-warp tech for ages. The Voth are an example of how religious dogma and racial biases can hold a civilization back... for millions of years.

[@toomanyaccounts]

@@ManicPandaz also it wasn't stated that they themselves left. another species may have transported away from Earth and they continued their evolution elsewhere.

[@GySGTGerman]

Well considering that the "Guardian Supreme" appeared as a Human instead of Ferengi, I like to think means they are the first evolution of this frame. Which would mean that some either came here before the issue or they came here as a result of the Super Nova. They used their form of transport to show up here when the Dinos were alive, which one might say helped the Voth escape Earth from asteroid destruction and fast forward a few centuries or more and they meet Voyager and also take them out bc they were knocking holes in their "Origin Story" which almost got them into serious trouble...

[@jeremy1860]

Season one of TNG might not have been the most enjoyable, but it definitely had some decent ideas behind it 😊

[@deadpan2866]

i like how in the episode that introduces them, there is clearly a disconnect between riker and the tkon, as in, they dont respect eachother from having the same ideology, they clearly dont since why would riker a ideal federation citizen wannabe hold sun tsu so high in regards, but their ideologies overlap and from their they find common ground. its nice because it isnt respect through being the same, its respect though acknowledging the other person as not an insane little monster who uses lazer whips and lies all the time.

[@beatricesomeone3300]

Hi Rick :) never knew anything bout them, nice u told me :)

[@HitodamaKyrie]

Ey, its the Flagship in Azys Lla! So presumably that was an ancient Allagan super dreadnought airship but I can never tell with its design whether it should be coming or going, haha. Though I also suspect it was heavily modified when they set it up to be the heart of the Azys Lla installation so that likely contributed to its freaky look. It isn't sci-fi of course so most of your audience may not be interested but personally if you ever wound up doing any lore/etc videos on FFXIV I'd find that really awesome. And now I'm imagining a playthrough of ffxiv's story with the same skill and production quality of your STOSS series. That'd be incredible but also such a burden and you work hard enough as is.

[@sterio2235]

Man just took the opportunity to flame the Voth

[@markvaughan653]

How about a video on the Husnock? Not easy since the only references I could find was the TNG "The Survivors" episode and the novel "Fortune of War." I was hoping you could find out more.

[@matthewdavies2057]

Seen one Dowd, seen them all ..

[@scottmantooth8785]

*if the Husnock were eradicated by the Dowd could it be that he totally eliminated them from ever existing in the first place?...nothing to find even if you wanted to*

[@NitpickingNerd]

Kevin did the Federation a favor . Another potential hostile empire wiped out before doing any damage Except 1 colony

[@RickySpanish12344]

@@NitpickingNerd Conspiracy theory: They were there for Kevin because of the danger he posed to the galaxy.

[@NitpickingNerd]

@@RickySpanish12344 nice

[@keithtorgersen9664]

“Hi everybody!” “Hi, Dr. Rick!”

[@Seven35888]

It’s cool how entropy will always win and any civilization no matter how advanced or powerful will eventually fall and give way for other civilizations to spawn and assume power

[@dominicvandermerwe2092]

What a concept - "Stella-Forming".

[@samueleveleigh2767]

to be fair, if you follow the theory that most technological advancement is due to conflict then its a wonder that the voth even got as far as they did. we saw that voyager, a lone ship what was only slightly ahead of the rest of the quadrant managed to outclass pretty much everyone they encountered so the voth had 0 need to advance since they were safe

[@pfzht]

Iconian but a typo they ran with. STO is awesome.

[@morrbydick5957]

"Hi Loremaster Rick!"

[@BladeValant546]

How a multi star empire falls is beyond me.

[@RickySpanish12344]

Yeah, I didn't buy it either... it would be like saying the Federation went away because Earth's sun went nova. No, a lot of people would have died but the Federation has billions and billions of people, planets, star ships ect ect.

[@robertpanek5944]

This is why I never understood the fall of the Romulans. I just don't buy it. They were too powerful to fall because of one planet.

[@Timberwolf69]

@@RickySpanish12344 The Federation is a multi-species body. There isn't a single species ruling all the others. To such a single-species empire with many colony worlds, the loss of the 'homeworld' can be a severe blow, even if they didn't lose many souls. The central point of identification is lost, new generations grow up without this identification and identify themselves via the place they live in. This causes the different solar systems to slowly drift apart, weakening the empire in the process. This is a slow process, nothing that happens over night, they don't suddenly falter but slowly crumble apart.

[@Timberwolf69]

@@robertpanek5944 The Romulan Empire wasn't as stable as it may have seemed. Incidents like the Shinzon affair are merely the tip of the iceberg hinting at the lack of internal cohesion of this 'empire'.

[@RickySpanish12344]

@@Timberwolf69 they were so powerful they could move stars... Oh but they weren't able to tell that there's was going to go nova. It doesn't make sense.

[@robertmiller2831]

Hi, Dr Rick!!!!

[@CTLamp]

You touched on the idea here when talking about them being able to move stars but it’d be interesting to see an in-depth discussion about Kardashev scale societies. Are there any Kardashev 2 or 3 scale species or groups and barring that why there are not.

[@wilmagregg3131]

in RL i belive the answer is there are no tier 3 or tier 4 civilizations currently active in the milky way as there megastructures cant be found or detected but that still leaves room for tens of thousands of tier 2 and to low tier 3 out there which includes most of sci fi with only the culture the xeelee the foundation forerunners iconian etc etc being beyond said tech level

[@jay_kay709]

ive never heard the term word of god, thats interesting. cool vid.

[@toomanyaccounts]

its an old term. it traditionally refers to the Christian Bible or testament of the Christian god. in regards to tv series etc it means the word of the show creator or head writers or from the show Bible. honestly are you that uneducated? i am an atheist and even I know that.

[@MutantDalek]

It'd make sense if the "old ones" from What Are Little Girls Made Of were another lost colony of the Tkon. According to Memory Alpha their star began to dim 100,000 years after the fracturing of the Tkon Empire possibly due to loosing the stellar engineering technology they seem to have. And then their fate after being driven underground by the surface of their world freezing is pretty much identical to the civilisation on Aia. Developing androids that eventually kill their creators. Though these androids would eventually die out rather then ascending to another plane of existence

[@tazchanday2422]

So many potential prequels, don't know if I should be happy or sad

[@cambrown5633]

Hi Dr. Rick!

[@SnarkNSass]

I ❤️ Ric!! ✌🏻🖖🏼

[@THATGuy5654]

1:11 when I notice that Data is wearing a Chinese finger trap. 😐 "Forget it, THAT Guy. It's TNG."

[@LoopyLucy95]

Interesting that the new game treats Portal like a role that was a choice made by an individual, not an AI.

[@LoopyLucy95]

I'm pretty sure he even talks about his parents

[@animal16365]

Can you do a video on the Sheliak

[@pocketheart1450]

The Voth are seriously hampered by Doctrine. Without Doctrine, they would be even more advanced.

[@Dynamaximometer]

Since the Tkon empire excelled at stellarforming, I wonder if they were involved with or knew who built the Dyson sphere.

[@Leifthrasir]

The image at 1:05 is a reference to the Allagan Empire in Final Fantasy XIV.

[@corssecurity]

Malcuas the mighty personally ruled a large swath of the Alpha and Beta quadrant for ten thousand years. Which is a very long time, but in universal scale there are stars older than our galaxy

[@BirthQuakeRecords]

Has the Picard connection been confirmed? Did I miss that in a Michael Chabon Q&A?

[@SatomiForward]

Let Picard stay in it's own cannon

[@aholland20132]

@@SatomiForward Typo: "it's" means "it is". And Picard is the same canon, so I don't get that.

[@justkidd1980]

He looks similar to an Oria priest.

[@followerofjulian1652]

1:13 The Organians just smiled politely as they gritted their teeth and made plans for the Pakleds to conquer the Tkon Empire! 🤣🤣🤣 5:59 Cylon wannabes.

[@MinesandMC]

I just realized that was azys la in there!

[@lanceheaps581]

Serious question does anyone know if when this was written it was known that there is no way intelligent life would have enough time to evolve on a planet orbiting a star large enough to go supernova? Not sure if it just was not known at this time or the writers just chose to ignore it because supernova is a cool way to end a super advanced civ?

[@hotmailcompany52]

I just like how nonchalant Data is about having his fingers in a finger trap lol

[@omega311888]

it always bugged me that he was stuck by that toy. yes, i know it was meant to be comical but seriously, did the writers expect us to believe that his brain couldnt figure it out? crappy, first season writing.

[@hotmailcompany52]

@@omega311888 I figured he just didn't know what it was but I've never seen a finger trap irl and don't even know how they work lol

[@patrikhjorth3291]

I really liked Star Trek: Picard, but I'm not a big fan of the series essentially ripping the core concept from Mass Effect. There had to be a smoother way of building that story line.

[@Marin3r101]

How so the whole story started before mass effect?

[@thecondescendinggoomba5552]

Ancient advancesd races have existed far longer in fiction than mass effect

[@generalkenobi7148]

*"Hello There My Friends!"*

[@SuperSlowmobile]

HI, DOCTOR RICK!

[@BlackHoleForge]

Stellaforming FTW

[@Gudarien]

That would be how Stella got her grove back.

[@angheritagecebu1121]

"Hi everybody" *Dr Nick Riviera has entered the galaxy*

[@vicarofrevelwood]

Age, eon, 2600 years. The long year is 26,000 years the time it takes for the the Galaxy to revolve once. Since in theory these extinct civilizations are in the milky way, the long year should be standard.

[@tylerryan713]

I wouldn't be surprised if they were an intergalactic species. If you can generate the power to move a sun several lightyears you probably can move something as small as a ship very fast.

[@Bludvarg]

Would've been cool if they'd remembered the Tkon empire in Voyager...

[@jamiejones7730]

Since we're on ancient empires how about Necron/Necrontyr ?

[@Mdhneo007]

So the T'Kon are Reapers is what I'm hearing through my RLM/ME3 perceptual filters...

[@ericmci]

Great episode as always but-- How could a civilization that can create solar systems be undone by one sun even their homeworld sun going super nova? It would seem they could 'fix' that or easily just move elsewhere?

[@hamanu666]

They were a type 2 civilization and had thousands if not millions of stars at their disposal. It makes no sense for their empire to collapse just because their home system went nova.

[@AnonEyeMouse]

Super Nova affect star systems for light years around them. It COULD be that the very fact that the T'Kon could sculpt systems was why one super nova was so devastating. Think about it, lesser sp0ace faring races need to travel TO valuable systems. The T'Kon just went to the closest system and sculpted it to their will, reducing travel and communication delays. Chances are the T'Kon Empire was densely compacted, with every system in close proximity to their homeworld being heavily populated and developed. No need to expand across a quadrant for them. A neighbourhood of 100Ly could support a civilisation larger than the federation. All well and good until their origin star starts misbehaving. They attempt to fix it, triggering a colossal Super Nova which bombards the surrounding space with a massive Gamma energy burst.in the span of a century, the devastation could spread throughout an empire. No warning eyond the silence from the core worlds and the fact any ship going to those core systems is never seen again.

[@Sephiroth144]

They were like salmon- could only breed on their home planet. Hey, if you can pull a better theory out of the air...

[@toomanyaccounts]

read the Q Continuum novels. Give you a hint their extinction was not natural causes.

[@Leachyboyo]

The Q Continuum book series is a Great read lots anout6the T'Kon empirw

[@meme9492]

Yes. In the book, one reads that the Tkon actually were succeeding in replacing their dying sun, using a type of lattice work around the sun that would subeseuently transport the dying one out and have a nother one transported in. Spoiler alert. Q had his hands in their failure to do it. He effectively interfered and the system was destroyed. Tkon Empire declined after that.

[@Leachyboyo]

I would say Q was indirectly involved

[@tomshon175]

Read the book . Recommended

[@Leachyboyo]

@@tomshon175 already read all three

[@meme9492]

@@Leachyboyo I'll have to reread them again sometime, but IIRC, it was an argument between Q and Picard. Q did something and Picard accused him of interfering.

[@tom091178]

I heard a theory that the dyson sphere also built by the TKon Empire.

[@jcjunot7311]

🖖🏻

[@henryheavy8044]

can you do Starcraft lore ?

[@orangeSoda35]

Is everyone going to ignore his Simpsons reference?

[@flygonbreloom]

It was perfectly cromulent.

[@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164]

You are nothing until you become the God Emperor in Dune, Star Wars Galactic Empire Emperor Palpatine. Palpatine can force hurl objects the size of vehicles.

[@alexxbaudwhyn7572]

The Tkon Empire kicked ass, but forgot the names

[@stcredzero]

Wear robes. Have staffs. Long grey hair. Make solar systems and planets. How are these guys not Slartibatifast and the Magratheans from Hitchhiker's Guide?

[@cmdrtianyilin8107]

Actually, moving stars is helluva lot more easier than FTL travel. Shkadov thrusters is just a huge dome of Aluminium foil, on the "North" of the sun can use the radiation pressure of the sun to propel itself. That's it, just an aluminium foil.

[@toomanyaccounts]

this was swapping two stars by teleportation. they built basically a cage around the two stars that when activated would swap the stars.

[@cmdrtianyilin8107]

@@toomanyaccounts I was thinking of more real life counterpart.

[@Acc0rd79]

Always makes me go uhh.... how are you destablalized when you KNOW the sun is going to super nova. You probably had more than enough time to literally rebuild a new home planet and just uproot everything. If you can create star systems you can make a whole new homeworld with ease and move the entire planets population to it and just keep on rolling!

[@musicking9540]

they should give us more, maybe in discovery or picard

[@RickySpanish12344]

ugh... those shows don't exist to me... They are loosely based on Star Trek. They are not Star Trek though.

[@robertpanek5944]

They should give us less Discovery and Picard. They should give us more actual Star Trek. Axanar does a way better job, than the writers of the mentioned show. Hell, The Orville is better at being Star Trek, than current Star Trek.

[@qdllc]

My guess is a shift of power. If earth fell, would the federation endure? It seems humanity was key to its formation and growth. Maybe if the key race diminishes, the other races don’t remain cohesive. Sort of like when a matriarch or patriarch passes and a family splinters and goes their own ways…that person was the only thing holding the family together.

[@jaywentz7770]

Pull up your socks, Voth................LOL!

[@deathstrike]

I gotta say the story of the T'Kon Civilization and the planet IA, seem to resemble another story. Told by the ancient books and the Book of Pythia, it almost resembles.....you guessed it!! Kobol!! The Thirteenth Tribe were exclusively Cylon, and tried desperately to leave from their "Earth" to warn the colonies of mistreating their Artificial Intelligence. And this all occured over 160 thousand years ago. So could the ancient planet IA NOT possibly be T'Kon but perhaps the Cylons who left Earth after the survivors of the 12 Colonies landed on their "Earth"? As for the T'Kon themselves, as the video says, information is apocryphal. However, there is a NON canocal source book that gives a bit of a glimpse of the origins of the T'Kon. They were influenced by the incredible "Devil's Heart" or Ko'n'ya from Vulcan history, or Klingon History and the Pagrashtak. Even the Iconians as well calling it the "Dream Gem". All of these races were heavily influenced by its powers, and all burst into incredible splendor (except the Vulcans, it was taken from Vulcan by the Romulans) and the stone's power made Romulus a powerful state. The T'Kon were also discovered to be influenced by it. As they were described as a "Simple hunter/gatherer culture until the stone burst forth from the sky and landed on the T'Kon Homeworld, they scabbled at the dirt and from that became a vast and extremely powerful stellar empire". So if anything the gem that was a seed of the Guardian of Forever "Meant to grow in better soil" says the Guardian. But the architects were mortal, and as they died a million years before, the gem found and manipulated history between Imperial Splendor, waves of murder and war, and just the greedy and savage scrabbling for the merest scraps of its power. It created greatness and tragedy, it gave Empires the hand to rule the galaxy, only to be betrayed by it, when the gem wanted to leave it. For reference of all this, this information was obtained from a NON canocal source called "The Devil's Heart" by Diane Duane. It is an STTNG novel, and is also on KZbin as an audio book. Well worth your time.

[@Thaumh]

Wait! . . . Didn't you point out that Seven/Annika's Alt-Timeline badge had eight stars on it?

[@ColinRichardson]

hmmm, TKon Portal vs Borg..

[@hellishhybrid1839]

Any time I see you using something from Discovery or Picard I just tune out.

[@Zachomara]

On the Voth: What do you expect when they have Iguana brains?

[@tazchanday2422]

If they could form their own solar system , how are they extinct? With so much power, it doesn't make sense

[@toomanyaccounts]

star system. sol is the name of the sun. solar means the sun and the planets in the system. Solar System is only one system not multiple. star systems is plural systems but each system if it has a named star would be refered to by that stars name. read the q continuum novels. they detail how the T'kon went extinct.

[@duozero00]

It does rase the question what if the borg or other cybernetic being trying to retrive the information would they go crazy too or be indoctrinated

[@DMSProduktions]

That planet, devoid of all life?? Really? WTF were those PLANTS growing in the background???