The Top 10 UNDERRATED Attacks in Smash Ultimate

[@ReitheOffbeatOtaku]

The Pits really go to show how much of a difference changing just one move in a character's kit can make when it comes to clones. ...The Belmonts then show us that the change has to be a meaningful one.

[@morphstarchangeling8024]

Daisy shows us that being lazy makes a boring character.

[@waffleman8053]

Lucina shows us that sometimes differences can be make another character worse.

[@Manelneedsaname]

@@waffleman8053 the existance of Lucina doesn't make Marth worse, he's bad either way dw

[@waffleman8053]

@@Manelneedsaname Good point, it might just be the Ult. engine.

[@sheridan5175]

Ganondorf tells us nothing

[@decaf37]

I think a lot of incineroar’s moves are super underrated. They are very clearly held back by poor mobility but his tilts and aerials are very good at both comboing and killing when he does get in.

[@TheSteve5154]

Seriously. He has the strongest killing forward tilt, the strongest killing back throw at ledge, side b which can do 72% in a single move with the help of revenge, and the belly flop down smash a lot of heavies got this game. Down tilt is a fantastic combo tool on a changing can’t combo very well. If he had average speed he would jump up like 20 spots on the tier list.

[@girlsaysripbozo]

On top of that, all of his aerials are really strong on their own

[@esqimo6647]

seriously have you seen up air and dtilt omg

[@nerdyfalco408]

It has the moveset of a top tier and the mobility of a bottom tier

[@maccaburg9574]

I’ve been saying this since forever

[@Lychem]

Honestly, I feel like Bowser's down smash is underrated a lot. This move is faster than Wolf's down smash, has similar range and kills about as early if not earlier. But, in terms of 2-framing, you're just always better with f-tilt, in terms of punishing, you're just better off with grounded up-b, and for killing, well, you're Bowser. You can kill with about anything at 80-90%.

[@tinyclover3849]

not to mention it has armor (not tough guy, actual heavy armor so it tanks more)

[@Lychem]

@@tinyclover3849 Well, all his smashes have armor so I tend to forget about it, but yeah, just icing on the cake for this move.

[@notowen738]

Bowser D-Smash once killed me at the ledge at 70%. I was playing Ike, a heavyweight. So yeah, it's broken.

[@kerwinmaass3731]

I feel like Bowser d-smash isn't even his most underrated move - up tilt is a monster. Massively disjointed anti-air that covers platform, kills, combos with the late hit, and is incredibly hard to challenge if you're trying to land. And yet I barely hear anyone talking about the move.

[@Lychem]

@@kerwinmaass3731 I feel like since Bowser is mostly known for five moves (fair, ftilt, fire breath, side b and grounded up-b), a lot of people tend to forget how good the rest of his kit is. Utilt, dsmash, nair and bair, most notably, are incredible moves, yet aren't talked about as much as the other five, if we talk about them at all.

[@Tahmis_Googboi]

As a Robin main, I wish their down-smash got a fair bit more spotlight. When you’ve got the Levin Sword, it’s strong, covers both sides with a zap, sends at a pretty useful angle, and can chew through a shield if it’s already damaged or if paired with Arcthunder. It does suck that it’s on a pretty slow character, but like most down-smashes, it tends to be on the faster side, making it a pretty clear choice over Robin’s side-smash. I consider it and Up-Air two of their best moves for kills when the sword comes out to play.

[@Tonjit41]

I play against a robin a lot. If I'm on ledge and they space down smash so my get up attack can't hit it, it seems to cover every ledge getup

[@Tahmis_Googboi]

@@Tonjit41 That's another great use for it! It's been pretty handy for covering ledges or even two-framing. I'd say its only downside is that this move requires the Levin Sword, which only gets eight swings on average. That, and you don't start with it, meaning it's something you can't try to go for early on.

[@Mercurius19]

It's also great that down-smash hits twice. It's not too common, but if anyone parries the first hit, they almost always don't know or remember to account for the second.

[@_______a]

Down smash can also two frame :D

[@Xeroxthebeautiful]

Arch thunder down smash is a super fun shield break especially if you aerial b reverse to land the arch thunder

[@CritsuKirby]

I love Kirby’s nair so much. I didn’t think people would use it so little.

[@PurplePikminSupremacy]

It has been two years since this comment was posted and I’m amazed no one has acknowledged the perfect profile picture.

[@igorkim1596]

another underrated kirby move is his upair, it may not be as fast, nor as disjointed but the knockback direction is very nice, especially for the low amount of knockback it does, great combo starter at lower percents, its hitbox is not big but it starts from the bottom front corner of kirby, making it very good for space control, and it always launches upwards with almost no knockback between 0-38ish making it a relatively safe combo starter overall, people may think it is irrelevant since kirby has fair, but they forget about one thing that messes him up, platforms, some of them lead him to cancel his fair after an fthrow interrupting his combo with stunning amounts of endlag, it happened to me in a los of maps with slightly lower plats, but if you use upair u can still combo since it has much less endlag and is almost equally easy to hit, you can regrab if you land on the plat, or make do or a jablock or an uptilt to continue your string, and people may think it is irrelevant since fair is faster, but one thing people dont realize is that kiry depends a lot on his grab for neutral, especially with how disjointed his boost and pivot grab are, making it some of the few safe approach tools he has with kind of a low to mid risk with an extremely high reward, now imagine not being able to position yourself wherever you want because of aiming for a grab, making kirbys already below decent neutral even worse, but if u just make this minor adjustment of using upair u can mix up your opponent and gain an upperhand in damage no matter your position in the stage, for example maps with platforms low enough for kirby to get his fair cancelled hence interrupting his combo game, into an even more threatening thing by cancelling your upair early on and extending your combo, one niche setup I use is fthrow upair(landing on plat) uptilt, reverse uptilt bair, extremely safe, very tight framedata and high damage, plus putting your opponent in a terrible position after the bair, with some characters that fall faster and a less drifty on the air you can make a sourspot reverse upair after the reverse uptilt into bair winning even more damage

[@chessplayer6632]

Everyone in the comments: *desperately trying to think of moves for their mains*

[@tb_awesome]

Yeah, but as a fellow Chess main, we both know that down throw could turn into an amazing combo with that up-tilt.

[@JackABoi69]

The chess devs have to nerf queen

[@chessplayer6632]

TBH I’m still waiting for them to announce chess 2, I mean it’s been how many years?

[@tb_awesome]

@@chessplayer6632 I think they did announce it, but they’ve been matching bugs for like, 3 years? It’s pretty obvious it won’t come out.

[@Xxblade17]

Facts

[@chessplayer6632]

The fact that all three Kirby characters are on this list makes me so happy

[@julesmcbride2692]

kirby's inhale is the most underrated move because his hats are funny

[@ImmaFarmerInMalaysia]

Little Mac's Straight Lunge is one of the most underrated moves in the game. Outside of being an amazing shield break punish, it's a low commitment ledge trapping tool as it allows you to punish roll, ledge attack, and neutral getup on reaction all in one move while allowing you to quickly cancel it in the event that they ledge jump or stall (you can even cancel directly into up smash). It also has 8% base heavy armor starting on frame 1, which lets Mac easily bypass the opponent's primary juggling tool in many relevant MUs such as Game & Watch, Palutena, Byleth, and Mythra. Of course, this is something that can be baited out, but just the fact that it starts on frame 1 is a huge deal that eases Mac's otherwise awful disadvantage state by forcing his opponent to respect the option. Nobody talks about Straight Lunge, but there have been many times where I've felt genuinely neutered while I had KO Punch because of how good this move is.

[@nintentwins1867]

Bump

[@ivrydice0954]

Otherwise bad disadvantage?

[@chrishoenscheidt6627]

Also I know we’re mostly talking about moves in regards to competitive smash, but straight lunge is also the flat out best free for all / casual move in the game.

[@Clepto_and_Co]

I never thought much of this move until I saw peanut super armor cloud's limit blade beam, or shield cancel up smash

[@nintentwins1867]

@@Clepto_and_Co fun fact. It also nulls limit cross slash, limit climmhazard, and finishing touch. Finishing touch will even still do the screen zoom even though Mac doesn't budge. Also nulls Hero Magic Burst, which is hilarious.

[@Rean.Schwarzer]

I'm not surprised no one talks about it considering most people barely remember Robin even exists, but Robin's jab is absurdly good. It comes out frame 4 with a disjoint, Jab 1 hits unreasonably high up (even onto Battlefield platforms) and sets up for the rest of the move, the Elwind finish does 18% overall and can be a kill move occasionally, the Arcfire finish is massive and kills quite early (especially at ledge, which is really powerful considering it's frame 4), and every other Arcfire jab is essentially free on durability cost with how Arcfire's durability works. Really, the only bad things to say about it are that Jab 2 has some issues connecting and that it costs durability, but those are rarely a problem. Also saw someone else mention it, but I'll also just quickly mention Levin Down Smash. It's not particularly fast, but it's Robin's strongest kill Smash (on the character with Levin Sword, remember), and it has a monstrous hitbox that hits all around Robin, even _above him._ It practically handles ledge trapping all by itself, and this is on the same character as Arcfire. It's also his best Bronze kill move, for... whatever that's worth. One other quick one, Min Min's Down Smash. Her Up Smash is the infamous one, but Down Smash is just as stupid; hell, it's even _faster._

[@Mercurius19]

Yes. I'd argue that Robin's jab is one of the best in the game. Another thing about it is that if you mix up which finisher you use, you can get people to DI into the blast zone. I once managed to kill a Fox at 75% or so be tricking him into DI'ing out after the fire finish because he was expecting the wind to send him up.

[@RacingSnails64]

Great info man. I have a soft spot for Robin's playstyle and feel they're much stronger than people give them credit for.

[@RacingSnails64]

@@Mercurius19 LOL nice!

[@Rean.Schwarzer]

@@RacingSnails64 Man, you have no idea how much I wish I agreed, ha ha. As a Robin main, I'm pretty convinced they're not actually all that good. ...But I suppose a lot of players say that about their mains. But man, even if I don't think they're _good,_ I have so much fun with him. Their playstyle just fits so perfectly for me, and it certainly doesn't hurt I really like the character too.

[@theblitz1070]

I think Greninja’s grab is honestly kinda nutty. It’s frame 10 so it’s slower than most grabs but in return it has a ton of range, particularly the pivot grab being slightly slower than most grabs but insanely huge. Seriously look at the hit box if you haven’t. Plus it has about as much end lag is most regular grabs. It was basically a slightly slower version of Palutena’s pre nerf grab since it has such a large grab box. On top of that he has a great early combo throw into his up air which is kind of his entire game plan and leads into his ferocious juggling or drag downs into jablocks. I’m not sure if people talk about how good it is but I think it’s really under appreciated.

[@nerdyfalco408]

I don't think its throws have that much combo potential

[@the0therethan]

Gren’s grab is good but it’s not exactly underrated. Frame 10+ grabs are actually awful in this game. The problem woth palu’s grab wasn’t necessarily the range, but the range combined with its absurd speed and safety

[@nerdyfalco408]

@@the0therethan and combo potential and kill power, while greninja's has none of these

[@the0therethan]

@@nerdyfalco408 you’ve never seen a greninja before lol

[@nerdyfalco408]

@@the0therethan I've searched and I've only found up-throw up-air, which explains why I've never seen a greninja going for that, since dash attack is way better for that, also greninja really doesn't lack combo starter (dash attack, d-tilt, falling nair, even falling fair and footstool on grounded opponent are more reliable than up-throw). I've also found a weird kill confirm with down-throw which is DI dependant though, so, still, not a true combo. Also I have seen greninja players, that's why I find it weird that you all say that its throws are good, they're litterally its worst moves

[@Aivo382]

Rosa nair. -that shit covers her entire body -late hit has smash 4 hitstun -one of the most consistent combo starters even on very late percents

[@cloudmonkey6952]

As Rosa advocate, yeah, her nair might be as good as Ike’s or palutena’s, it’s fucking nutty

[@esqimo6647]

Lumas rising nair comboing into Rosa late hit rising nair is gross

[@Aivo382]

@@esqimo6647 trust me, that shit is very hard tu pull off

[@epicmarschmallow5049]

Watching Dabuz play has fully convinced me that move is insanely good

[@KevSB07]

I mean, it literally combos like prepatch Ike nair, as in, it confirms into *all* of her aerials, sometimes for a kill Compared to Palu nair though, it has a massive shortcoming in that you have to choose between doing rising or falling nair depending on how big the character is and whether you want to anti-air with it since while it does cover her entire body with a disjoint, it’s not all at once, and you can be hit or whiff if the wand isn’t in the right spot at the right time

[@DinoSmashDK]

Dr. Mario's N-Air is quite an amazing move that isn't talked about a lot, even after it got buffed in the Byleth patch. It kills, it edgeguards, combos into grab at low %, and sets up for jab resets. This move does a lot of stuff and it's weird that people rarely talk about it.

[@ABAgamer_]

Some say that Doc’s n-air is “mediocre at best” but like you said it’s quite underrated. It lasts longer than you think and can even be better at edgeguarding than his back air if used properly. In fact, I’d say that Dr. Mario’s moveset is very solid in general despite the slow mobility, similar to that of Incineroar.

[@znerd3664]

People dont talk about Dr. Mario's Nair because mario exists

[@malezra-7407]

It just loses points because it's a much worse out of shield option. Up-b fills that role to a point, however it's much more risky of you miss.

[@biocta]

It’s just another sex kick, they’re pretty much all good

[@artimist0315]

Well the thing is most nairs in this games are amazing, to the point where multiple characters like ike and fox use it in almost every situations (no I won't talk about palu, this moove is overrated and over-hated) and most of what you have said apply to multiple characters that are much more popular.

[@bigmilk13_]

"Quite possibly the best jab in the game" Chroy: >:(

[@biocta]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking too. Specifically designed to combo and the jab to bair kill confirm is one of the stupidest in the game

[@simeonellinger2064]

Laughs in Ganonese

[@Metalc]

@@simeonellinger2064 ganons jab is definitely not even close to being the best lol.

[@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569]

@Aris Velasquez If Falcon had Chroy's jab then he'd be a super top tier, like top 10 at worst. Jab into knee at ledge is enough to make anyone want to start calling for nerfs, and even jab into knee just for percent wouldn't be too bad either considering knee without stale does something like 23%. Also if Puff could confirm into rest at rest kill percent she would also be very broken, possibly best in the game.

[@MrMockRock]

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[@Kaabiikaze]

As someone who uses Kirby, nair is one of my favorite sleeper tools. So many people don't realize just how nasty of it can be, especially with how the patches made it more potent.

[@Underworlder5]

trying to do that slime spirit spiritless taught me how devastating kirby nair can be

[@wolfpack_104]

Always a pleasure to see my boy Lucas getting some love. Great job on the video overall man!

[@MrMockRock]

Thanks!

[@Kragglover2003]

Lucas gang :)

[@sweetlol_]

Another one of mii swordfighter's moves is really underrated; down tilt. The move is really fast (f5), combos for quite a while and sets up for platform tech chases, is pretty safe on shield, and the ENTIRE ANIMATION lasts for 19 frames, which means that before the opponent can even realize you used a move, it'll already be over.

[@chasesmith9156]

I feel Zelda's up tilt is quite underrated. When talking about Zelda, most just talk about her down b and maybe her forward smash. However Zelda's up tilt is insane as well with a massive hitbox, great combo potential, low startup (frame 7) and the back hit can kill confirm and is relatively safe on shield.

[@ParakeetDSi]

Sizzle. Sizzle is a good move and nobody really talks about

[@esqimo6647]

Ngl sizz and bang by themselves are pretty noteworthy

[@KotaWebb]

Everyone knows it’s good but you’re not guaranteed to see that in the menu, if sizzle was his neutral B, everyone would talk about it

[@DementedDoritoOfdoom]

As a hero main, I agree. It covers a decent amount of the stage, comes out fucking quick, and has decent damage output and kill power

[@CoinBox170]

K. Rool's Blunderbuss is a move that deserves more recognition, being a great neutral tool allowing him to approach, a combo starter at low percents, sets up mind games, and comes with a free command grab.

[@eddy796]

It also has a nice combo is used up close, since he’ll suck up the cannon ball again, and potentially do more damage when he shoots it out again. It’s honestly a really nice move.

[@ari90i]

it gets tons of attention tho

[@mcihele]

One move I think Is really underrated Is samus' bair. It kills super early, has a lot of confirms into It (chargeshot, dair and d-throw) and Is soooooo satisfying to land

[@esqimo6647]

tipper bair is disgusting for literally no reason

[@petergriffinsonic4825]

True, I've been killed at ridiculously low percents because of it

[@yoyoguy1st]

I don’t think samus b-air is underrated at all, everyone knows that move is good

[@andresmiltongutierrezorteg2764]

@@yoyoguy1st Don't think any of her moves are underated, maybe missile but that´s a personal opinion

[@researchinbreeder]

@@yoyoguy1st It's the same level of "unknown" as Isabelle's jab and Silver Bow imo, so it fits.

[@enchilordo8562]

I feel not enough Dededes use his up tilt. It’s surprisingly strong and is much faster and easier to use than his up smash. A good quick combo I like to do is nair to up tilt on low percentages

[@andrewbaek6691]

all ddd do it. what do u mean?

[@Squibob]

They're too busy using Gordo

[@shathuishjannarendran3707]

DDD main here, I absolutely abuse that lmao. It's a good combo starter into up-air (and sometimes another up-tilt on heavier characters) and is one of DDD's fastest moves. It also has good kill power (killing at around 110 on most characters) and you can neutral-b into up-tilt for an easy kill confirm. On top of all this it's a pretty solid OOS option, the only thing it struggles against is shorter characters because sometimes the hitbox won't reach.

[@eddy796]

I found out how gross Isabells jab was a few week ago! I usually used it to troll my friends when I played as her, but then I discovered how many combos you can after it and now I’m banned from using it. Another move id say Is underrated is King K Rolls side b, the amount of damage you can get from a good throw is nutty.

[@Tonjit41]

K.Rool side b is good on paper, but you can just jump over it and grab him. Most throws have invincibility so the crown doesn't hit you on the way back.

[@eddy796]

@@Tonjit41 that is true! You whiff a crown and it’s almost a free punish, though sometimes the crown will save you on the back swing but like you said throws are just free.

[@Tonjit41]

@@eddy796 I really like the move. Maybe it would be better designed if it went much further and has less endlag. Then it would be more useful for covering space and forcing movement from the opponent.

[@ImLuna_az]

Banned from using it?

[@trmp3tply3r3]

I would absolutely love to see a sequel. Here's some algorithm food since I couldn't think of anything better

[@ChristmasPterodactyl]

I've heard that the algorithm ignores any comment with the word "algorithm" in it. No idea how to fact-check that.

[@ncooc1533]

@@ChristmasPterodactyl I don't know how true that is considering there's many communities that use "algorithm" as a term for something. I mean an algorithm is a series of steps to perform an action, so it would be weird to kill channels for using a basic word in the English language

[@MaxWelton]

That voice for the ad read was amazing.

[@Scorpio3002]

Glad you finally gave Lucas f-tilt some love; it's exclusion from even an honorable mention in your "Best Moves" list was criminal. FWIW Lucas's fair is even better than f-tilt (and *certainly* better than Mewtwo's fair) since it's better at killing and comboing off the sourspot, but has the benefit of being mobile.

[@captainmega6310]

Don't think i agree there with it better then mewtwo's , but fair certainly good

[@L1N3R1D3R]

I'm also a Shuriken of Light defender. Given how reactable and punishable Gale Strike and Chakram are, the option of quick chip damage is nice. I suppose the close hitbox not flinching is to prevent it from true comboing into anything, since it has lower end lag than many projectiles. If you space it right while approaching in the air, though, it can true combo into F-air or U-air, which can kill.

[@jackanderson368]

If you do short or full hop Shuriken it reserves swordfighter air momentum. Meaning you can use it as an approach option. Using shuriken and chakram, swordfighter zoning is so good. He out camps samus, link, and belmonts. But gale stike is solid in specific match ups like sephiroth, or Steve.

[@theopolise2077]

I think gannons jab is super underrated in his kit no one talks about how good of a get off me took it is

[@waveburner1254]

Agreed. It's fast and they removed the sour spot.

[@malezra-7407]

Yes, and also hard to punish if he spams it on shield.

[@LloydTheZephyrian]

I dunno... It's kinda slow for a jab at frame 7, and only has 2 actives frames. It's -8 on shield, though, and if I'm not mistaken, that's somewhat safe.

[@ShinSHOGO]

Not sure if it’s well known or underrated, but… Samus’s Up Tilt While it doesn’t Meteor like Falcon’s, which looks similar, the sheer power it deals on aerial opponents never fails to cause a “WAIT THAT KILLED!?” response to a lot of players who get hit by it.

[@Tonjit41]

Have you seen the hitbox on that thing? It's bigger than some of the Shotos

[@nicocchi]

being on the receiving end from my friend who is a very big fan of Samus-all three of them in this game-I can confirm I've been on the WAIT THAT KILLED side a lot

[@blaz_69]

And it can combo into kill moves and combo into itself at 0 for free 30% or more

[@L1ttleWarrior13]

As a Samus main, hitting people's ledgestalls with uptilt as soon as they become vulnerable is super satisfying

[@Endershock1678]

It's also great for platform tech chases.

[@Odyssey_Central]

Another great video! I think for a sequel I’d have to nominate bowser Jr’s cannonball. I don’t think it’s nearly as good as the other moves in this video but after seeing players like Ketchup use it to edge guard or make room for a safer recovery I definitely don’t think it’s among the worst projectiles in the game like a lot of people say it is. Maybe this is more of an “underrated move” rather than a good one but I think it’s an interesting move regardless

[@InumiDarkness]

There's also a weird property that I've discovered by playing Jr for a while. At some point, the canonball has two hitboxes, making it extremely good against shielding opponents and people thinking it'll only hit once.

[@UmbraStarWolf]

Wolf’s down tilt is slept on most people would rather use f tilt at ledge but down tilt sends at a nasty angle too Also trips at 0 and combos into a lot of his other moves. Wolf has a lot of good moves and people dont use down tilt as much as the others.

[@somebol9047]

Bowser Jr's up air is crazy. For an aerial designed juggling it's damage output is very respectable and it's speed let's you combo it into itself at lower percents. The back hit of the move is especially is great for this. Not to mention how many ways Jr has to set up his up air chains like Up throw, Clown Kart Dash and even falling Up air. You can eat a solid 50% from this move at the start of a match which is wild to think about.

[@nino4242]

Finally, someone who won’t be surprised when Kirby nair kills

[@kaderpotater7]

Banjo’s down tilt is secretly his DLC move.

[@BrennanMaphet]

tbh fox down air is super underrated, a frame 8 out of shield option that consistently gets combos, sets up for kill conforms, all while rising instead of just landing.

[@Davey_Tooie]

Seeing Dedede with his mouth agape just whizz on screen with no warning made me feel inexplicable things.

[@LegacyKricketune111]

I think Ridley's Plasma is a heavily underrated move. While it doesn't control neutral as much as other projectiles (something the rest of Ridley's kit already covers), when you're given opportunities to charge it, it becomes one of the most oppressive projectiles in the game. To speak nothing of its edge guarding capabilities, where the move really shines, the move also allows massive zone breaking both on hit and on shield. It also forces opponents upwards onstage, which is where Ridley wants opponents 90% of the time. It can even combo into a lethal dash attack when used appropriately.

[@Pigmcginnyrig]

All of Kirby’s tilts are very good

[@AverageDoctor345]

Correction, all of Kirby's tilts are broken

[@grev7891]

I will forever stand by the opinion Rosalina has one of if not the best nairs in the game. Ike's nair but you can rise with it, lingers for so long, and has a huge hitbox already and luma makes it even bigger. Fantastic move imo

[@Metalc]

Lucases f tilt is amazing! Great list man! Edit: also Mario’s fludd is a great move and I agree with it being on this list

[@CrimsoniteSP]

Falco down tilt is pretty underrated. For a move that as universal as a swiss army knife, I hardly see other Falcos using it. It combos, it kills, it's safe, it shield pokes, fast, 2 frames, kill confirms, good damage, decent range, and spammable, but no one really uses it that much. Sure, up tilt is more rewarding and nair, dair and fair can all lead to kills more often, but when the opponent is stuck in shield at 140% and nothing combos anymore, down tilt becomes one of the most important moves in Falco's arsenal.

[@Rarest26]

I guess it being frame 8, his slowest tilt, as well as the sweetspot being the closest hitbox might have something to do. At least it's better than it used to.

[@aleksijuhola7071]

Bowser Jr's Up Air is one of the most underrated moves honestly good range + disjoint FAST really good combo potential + combo damage Do i need to say more

[@AverageDoctor345]

That move's crazy, I think it's better than Mario's.

[@kerwinmaass3731]

@Zooker Yeah but nobody plays Bowser Jr., because of the misconception that he's a low tier. People literally don't know that Jr uair is that insane. Other underrated Jr moves are nair (disjointed, lingering, combos, edgeguards, busted), dtilt (very fast and safe for a ground normal, can kill, good disjoint) and fsmash (a safe on shield, disjointed smash attack which 2-frames and kills at disgustingly low %s)

[@KingBobbyG1223]

I'm kinda surprised I never see anyone talk about Banjo's Breegull Blaster. I know it's largely due to his lack of representation, especially at higher levels where the move finally starts to see more use because of its complex nature, but it's such a vital tool in his kit, helping him close gaps, start and extend combos, and even net kills as early as 60% once you've mastered the KFC tech and all of the wild confirms it opens up

[@Patrick-bn5rp]

I'm glad to see Marth dancing blade get some recognition.

[@thunderd7904]

I think Bayonetta’s up and side specials would be broken on any other character or if Bayonetta just had killing aerials. You need both to really make it work, but it would just turn into a repeat of Smash 4 and they’re great recovery tools as well.

[@esqimo6647]

specifically a killing fair or uair, her bair is pretty strong, but because witch twist always sends diagonally up and forward, its hard to connect up b bair without doing some multihit shenanigans

[@dxrkness4802]

@@esqimo6647 Actually, from 70-80% (60 on some characters) she can do a pretty easy combo to kill you off the top from on stage ending in fair. She does have a killing fair

[@esqimo6647]

@@dxrkness4802 sdi lol

[@andresmiltongutierrezorteg2764]

@@esqimo6647 Totally in most scenarios you would end using fair or uair after using WTw or ABK but even at 100 that won't kill in some cases even near the blast lines, so by tha increasing their knockback, people would start to fear getting caught in a combo of just being aware of smash attacks or bair, the jab buff really help to punish people who likes to dodge, thought it could be better if it wasn't suceptible to be escaped

[@thunderd7904]

@@dxrkness4802 Ya it kills, but it doesn’t kill very well. It’s probably the weakest fair in the game next to Little Mac’s. Not the worst since it’s good for combos and damage, but still among the weakest in terms of knock back. Imagine how broken she’d be with a Mewtwo forward air or Chrom up air. Oh wait, I don’t have to imagine that since it would just be Smash 4 and we all know how busted she was there.

[@waffleman8053]

Mewtwo's jab is Crazy good! It does more damage than most of his combos.

[@Xeroxthebeautiful]

My brother mains Mewtwo so I'm very well aware of how it feels to eat 60% cause I got jabbed by ledge

[@ShinyMew76]

@@Xeroxthebeautiful I main mewtwo I can confirm getting a free 20-30% feels great

[@xHongxKongxHK]

Mewtwo’s Fair is ridiculously good and I don’t hear people talk about it enough. Safe on shield, can combo at early and mid percents and can kill. M2 has a lot of other underrated moves too (down smash, down tilt, disable) but I think fair is the least talked about.

[@cullenhutchison6528]

Ike's ftilt is definitely underrated. It has great horizontal range, high shield pushback and good shield damage, and can be impossible for almost every character to whiff punish or punish it out of shield-Ike can often get another ftilt out before the opponent can reach him. It's also decently strong and can be a good kill option, especially in a ledge trap scenario.

[@lasercraft32]

As a Dark Pit main (and NOT a Pit main) I agree that Silver Bow is underrated. Like, you can't really get snipe kills as Pit sooo... case and point. (Okay so you can but its harder to do, unless its just gimping their recovery... its just not the same).

[@Anton-n4n5n]

keep up the good work man, your videos are entertaining, super distracting (in a positive way), most videos can't really grab me but there is something special about yours move recomendation for sequel: ike's dash attack. this move is a beast and i dont really see enough people talk about it and mostly his recovery gets the attention but MAN when you are facing an Ike player that is good he can just deny your stock from even existing AT 70% god that move is busted.

[@MrMockRock]

Ike's dash attack was on my original brainstorm for this video, I just didn't want to place too much emphasis on characters I play. Not out of the question at all!

[@Anton-n4n5n]

Thanks for reading my comment I like playing ike but I'm not really good with him but the dash attack is just like a tiking time bomb to me

[@brromo]

Gunner Fair, it basically doubles her movement speed and horizontal recovery

[@rabidfurify]

Gunner utilt is a fairly disjointed frame 5 anti air which kills, it's pretty amazing. I feel like gunner suffers a bit from what I call Incineroar Syndrome, they have strong moves which are overlooked because the character has poor mobility (but unlike incineroar gunner has ways to compensate for this)

[@MattDustyParker]

Great video as usual Mock. Some interesting choices, a few eye openers like Meta knight. Lucario's Aura Sphere was the first move I thought of. Charge "fireball" moves are nothing unique to Lucario, nor is the wavebounce movement and maneuverability. What is unique to Aura Sphere is the active hitbox while charging. Lots of shenanigans there including shield break set ups; a good excuse to talk about Aura Sphere. Incineroar has plenty of worthy moves, as pointed out by another commenter. Incineroar has tons of actually great moves, with the sole restrictions being his mobility. Suplex on Mii brawler is kinda disgusting. 22% in a one on one when not stale. But a funnier move for content would be his counter throw. Specifically if you showcase it working on moves like Puff Sing and Banjo Wonderwing. And my last suggestion is Hero up special. Even after the last year or so with it being used more by hero mains, I still think it's a great OUt of shield option on top of a funny ledge guarding move. Have a great day Mock!

[@AverageDoctor345]

Suplex is legitimately one of the best command grabs in the game and no one talks about it, I don't know why.

[@malezra-7407]

Ridley's up smash is super underrated, the charging animation doesn't give much of a clue to how big the move actually is, it's kill power is huge, and it's a good out of shield option to specially for a character like ridley who's only real out of shield option is nair. One of the best anti-airs in the game.

[@zacharyalford8185]

Right? Also it covers any tech option on a battlefield platform and the Ridleys foot is intangible during it. Truly underrated move

[@Qwert112]

Hero's up b is easily one of the most underrated moves in the game, and easily his second best special after Menu. People usually think of how early neutral and side b kill when they think of his specials, but woosh carries his entire kit. It's a frame 7 oos that gives him really good positioning freedom afterward which makes it a great escape tool, it can combo into kill setups on platforms in some maps, and LSK sets up a really difficult to deal with edgeguard that kills extremely early

[@esqimo6647]

woosh into utilt/usmash and kaswoosh edgeguarding are some of the most oppressive oos and edgeguarding moves in the game

[@Qwert112]

@@esqimo6647 plus tokyo drift woosh onto top plat on bf/yoshi's with the lingering hitbox, shit is so fun when it works

[@ObservableFiction]

Focus attack. I don't believe anyone thinks it's bad but then again I never hear anyone talk about how broken it is. It's a frame one full body invincibility. It lasts for a couple of seconds, it can be directionally canceled and has a hit box with 20% damage if fully charged. Landing it may not be easy but it's definitely possible as a mix up, and if it does land you can get ridiculously early kills since it also crumbles to let you get the combo/kill confirm of your choice started. You can also B-reverse it, which means you can change direction in the air a total of 3 times (B-reverse, directional cancel into directional air dodge). Mixing these three directions up basically makes you a little down B spamming Samus at times. Also, incredibly, it does enough shield damage and shield stun it can be used for the most amazing shield break set ups (check out RoninX's video on it if interested). I play the FGCs, and focus attack is the only attack I really miss going to Terry or Kazuya.

[@ericab3919]

Samus zair alone makes some matchups like 70% +. The other move I can think of is min min's grab. While it is slow, knowing how to use it is a requirement for min min, as it catches landings she cant cover with arms without getting punished for swinging arms into a shield while being too close.

[@sphen9800]

Pikachu's skull bash is actually kinda busted. It's not one of the rat's best moves, but it makes his recovery and disadvantage sooo good. And it's safe on shield to boot.

[@sladewilson2753]

Hot take: Ganons nair is one of the best in the game. It’s huge, does 24 damage out of a full hop 18 out a short hop, kills, aka active for 20 frames, and huge

[@ragnarok3703]

It’s def in the better half, but I think the poor safety on shield and trouble connecting into each other hold it back

[@stefano2884]

Actually it's not underrated at all

[@kots8956]

That's not a hot take at all it's like top 20 naira

[@yoyoguy1st]

Yeah not much of a hot take. We all agree it’s good, it’s just that it’s on Ganon.

[@Mixa_Lv]

7:06 That wasn't a tipper, that's exactly what's wrong with Marth, you don't always get what you see.

[@FirstTryFred]

Hero's Zapple is really underrated imo. It does around 20% damage, covers so many get up options, isn't a projectile and has range beyond believe.

[@alexpotts6520]

Feels weird to call a move with a depletable resource attached "spammable", but if any move fits that description it's Zapple.

[@MrBond-xs3cr]

As an isabelle main, I gotta say- yeah. Her jab is crazy good. It's super easy/reliable in jab locking (which she gets a lot off of), the wobelle exists, it combos into things when not on ledge, etc. It's just really, really good.

[@alexjohnson6271]

Another underrated move for me, a Greninja main: Greninja's shadow sneak is very good. It's easy to guard against if you know what you're looking for, but if you know how to mix it up it can just be straight up an Uno reverse card. My favorite use is bypassing big projectiles for a surprise ko, but its recovery use is equally great. It has stupid horizontal range (and you can still hydro pump after that) and can completely flip the script against edgeguarding, allowing you to get behind them in midair. Mixing up shadow sneak and hydro pump can help you avoid most edgeguarding. With the right timing, you can use it to get midstage where people attack from. In midair it doesn't have the shadow indicator on the ground, so it can very suddenly end a match. It's also not bad as a repositioning tool, though the animations are a bit slow.

[@ShinyMew76]

Comment: I may be a bit biased here but I will say Mewtwo’s fair, and down b, as well as incineraroar’s down b Mewtwo’s fair is spam-able, has incredible KO power, and is a combo tool, has decent range, safe on shield. It can combo out of shadow ball, another great move, and it makes for good follow ups as well. Down B: it’s a fast move, it’s intangible for a few frames, it stuns, if you catch your opponent of guard (which will happen semi-frequently) your opponent basically gets KOed by down smash at 65 Incinaroar down b: it’s a fast counter, doesn’t have much lag for a counter, and if you build it up enough you get basically a free 70% from side b which can go through shields. I have a few other moves to mention as well G&W fair: it’s overshadowed by up b, dtilt, bair, and other moves. What’s funny is you can set up a fair into a side b and potentially get an instant KO off the 9 Mii Swordfighter Nair: this is seriously one of the best not projectile ledge trapping moves in the game in my opinion. You can spam it, it has decent range, lasts a long time, and often it covers quite a few options Mii Swordfighter Gale Stab: if you run shirakin of light, you can pick this move up. Incredible horizontal recovery, great burst option, decent damage, and it’s chargeable. Mii swordfighter burning blade: call gale strike op all you want but this is basically Mii swordfighter’s version of flashing Mach punch, it deals great damage, it can be turned around. It’s overall a solid move, don’t count it out Plant side b: it gets great praise already but here is the catch. You can grab someone while they are inside the fully charged cloud, you can pummel them and when the poison goes away you can throw them, deals massive damage. MK nair: it’s a strong KO option, combo tool sometimes, and it’s pretty fast. Overshadowed by up air and bair which are also great moves

[@mikeychrisanthus9948]

I think some Zelda moves are forgotten. I first think specifically f-tilt, up b, and all of her aerials. I don’t know if these moves aren’t talked about since I’m not extremely involved in the smash scene, although, I believe most people remember her for phantom and little else.

[@mikeychrisanthus9948]

Also, a lot of people just straight up say she sucks in terms of viability which I still don’t quite understand other than the fact that there are so many characters who are high tier material

[@sherbertshortkake6649]

Kirby's nair is called 'Twinkle Star'

[@benjaminlalande4188]

Incineroar's down tilt is SO underrated! Combos, two frames into kill moves all while being invincible!

[@mr.cereal599]

MockRock put it in his video for that list of the best of every move in Smash Bros. (he believes it's the best down-tilt in the game).

[@benjaminlalande4188]

@@mr.cereal599 now that you say it, I remember! I actually think it might be the best one

[@jdon6484]

I switched to melee fully around 9 months ago, but you’re practically the only Ultimate content creator I still watch because the quality of your vids are so high. Entertaining, informative, and well edited. Nice job as always

[@EtiKai13]

Great video, I definitely don't regret subbing to ur patreon! Love these early acces videos

[@XSaintsofDoomX]

Wolf’s down tilt is well overlooked because of his monster forward tilt, but I find it a reliable trip mechanic into a free grab or smash attack at low percentage and a good poke on shield.

[@bryancartmill9096]

mii brawler soring axe kick 1 it can kill at 0 with no effort 2 it is a fast out of shield option 3 it is rally big 4 it is vary good for recovery

[@potfriendd]

I honestly think Ridley has a top 5 uptilt. It is extremely fast and low lag for what it does, being frame 8 and having 17 frames of endlag. It has a massive disjoint because of the lack of hurtboxes on most of his wings + Head/Wing intangibility for the whole move allowing it to beat plenty attacks generally only losing to the biggest of disjoints. On it's own it deals acceptable damage but it also combos into itself, aerials and jab on some characters, leading to excellent damage. It combos up to mid percents before becoming a kill confirm tool into Upair at around 90%. It can even kill at high enough percents (but at that point you could also kill with Upsmash which is only 4 frames slower and has leg intangibility). It's wide arch allows it to cover entire platforms, catch jumps, call out or beat landing options and even cover plenty of space at the ledge (It hits roll on the front hit). It has decently safety being -12 but the range can assist with making it a bit safer. It has it's weaknesses, being it can struggle with low profiling and it's activity being a bit low only having 4 total frames. It's such an underrated beast of a move.

[@seamusflannery3374]

Not top five, but I agree that it’s underrated

[@ppbacik]

Sheik needles - they double as a long range harassment tool, incredible combo starter or extender into kill confirms, and their disgusting angle is amazing for edgeguarding (mostly carried by bouncing fish but needles would be great on any character)

[@mxtoastytoad]

Our mindsets are like night and day.

[@BigLord]

Ridley's dtilt is usually ignored but that move's range is quite simply *not okay*.

[@aqgpandemic5406]

Yes finally someone mentioning Kirby nair, when I wanna meme on people I used to just use Kirby nair and it worked way too well…

[@Gradient___]

Wow... I've literally never seen that Shuriken of light move ever used in Smash Ultimate. I mean it, I didn't even know it existed until now.

[@superkernel442]

As a wii fit main, I’m surprised not many people talk about her nair. Its -4 on shield, combos to hell and back, has a first hit that combos later than both, is a multihit that is harder to parry, it has it all. The hitbox isn’t even bad, its a very stupid move.

[@omarjanabi5801]

Ive seen many people talk about that move its absolutely broken xD

[@jonathangough5331]

I feel like lucario’s down air is heavily underrated. Is great for edgeguarding, can stall your landing and comes out frame 3 so can be a good out of shield option if . It’s also a pretty good kill move if you’ve got enough aura and can be comboed into from aura sphere charge. It’s only problem is that the second hit sometimes doesn’t hit if used out of shield, but you can actually get a super janky kill confirm if you buffer a side B when it doesn’t connect.

[@ZanWhen]

Pac-Man's Down Special. it's insane how well it controls the stage, to the point it can win you matchups all by itself. I can't really say anything in Pac's kit overshadows it but with how versatile it is, especially in tangent with Bonus Fruit, it feels a bit strange that I don't see more about it. Edit: I know that hydrant is talked about and used a lot by Pac players. but there isn't a lot of talk of it outside of those players, and how much the move is used by the character doesn't seem to matter in this context, at least, in my eyes.

[@Tibovl]

I dont think that move is underrated tho. Most pac-mans spam the hell out of it

[@Endershock1678]

In no Universe is that underrated, its one of considered Pac's most important tools.

[@kidkruschev]

Can’t be underrated when Pac mains spam it like it’s gonna get removed

[@highnootnoot7254]

Another amazing video! I can’t see any criticisms. Amazing sponsored segment that got me purchasing it within 15 minutes, incredibly put together points that I agreed with, and the editing, script and music is all just amazing! I’m astonished that you don’t have more attention than you already do!

[@aidenvega6306]

Mewtwo rapid jab. It does like 40% or if you're on a platform it does 70% and if you're on yoshis slants it does 120% this is with SDI btw. Also, in my opinion, mewtwo has the best charge shot in the game. It does more than samus' in just about everything. It deserves far more credit. Buff mewtwo grrr

[@KotaWebb]

I agree with the rapid jab but samus’ charge shot is honestly a lot better the combos samus gets from it are insaneeeee

[@lucg4005]

Jab is good, though you are over exaggerating the damage a bit. Samus has the better charge shot though, that thing combos forever, and the combos do stupid damage and even kill.

[@aidenvega6306]

from playing m2 since day one of ultimate, I've never gotten anything shy of 40% Shadow ball can 2 frame (usually), combo into just about whatever at low percents, lead into a fair or grab at mid and kill at high. The uncharged and mid charge combo as well. Sure it doesn't stun, but it has a great pressure game. Also wavebouncing it or using its fancy momentum in the air could help mewtwo pull off some dirty offstage tricks.

[@fatedforge2869]

K tools up air: yes it’s slow but it’s fast to come out, powerful, but most of all versatile. It helps recovery, it’s a combo breaker, it’s provides the fastest ledge getup in the game… it’s really good

[@anon1652]

Recently I've been playing toon link and it's real fun to just do grounded up-b to punish rolls for a free 15/20%

[@cloudmonkey6952]

Bomb, boomerang and back air would be busted on someone else.

[@Endershock1678]

@@cloudmonkey6952 Toon Link isn't bad by any means, he can make great use of those tools with his size and speed better than many, he's just help back by his mediocre neutral.

[@Tomas_Real1]

If you ever make a follow up video, I think dk's hand slap (down b) is amazing. I don't know if underrated but I don't see it talked much for a move on the ground can easy tech chase, lead to combos and kill confirms, break shields, safe on shield, and has huge range. In the air it's even better, as a -4 on shield move, kill confirms and combos, a long lasting spike, b reverse for good mix ups, and leads into grab which is what dk really fishes for. I like the concept of this video for bringing light to less known moves that are really good.

[@Brion15]

Isabelle secretly top tier

[@flabchunky3068]

Thank you for mentioning mk down tilt and Mario flood - those moves are crazy. Really good video, I’d love another like this!

[@finalmix4375]

I hope Isabelle gets buffed in the next patch, she has so many cool thing and i would love to see people using her

[@fluffyadit7899]

That would be nice, but I think they have her Low-Tier on purpose. I you look at her character from the AC games, you can see that she’s one of the hardest working characters in the game, since NL. I guess Nintendo was trying their best to match everyone’s character to their lore from the games the best way possible, w/o breaking them.

[@fluffyadit7899]

I mean, as much as people like Little Mac having aerials, it wouldn’t make any sense to give a boxer jumping ability’s and good aerials if they are meant to be on foot.

[@finalmix4375]

@@fluffyadit7899 That doesn't mean anything, they just need to fix some tools, it's not about the canon of the character

[@TinkC43]

I want Lucas buffs

[@nero7862]

@@fluffyadit7899 i mean kirby is god killer, still low tier

[@thespanishinquisitionprofe2151]

K. Rool's crown is underrated. The throwing animation has armor on frames 6-63, meaning even if the opponent reacts to the startup, their move might not do anything. It has a long range, combos on the way back, and deals 14.4 percent (or 12 percent if you're not playing a 1v1,) making it in my opinion one of the best zoning tools in the game.

[@malezra-7407]

Is it really underrated when every single K Rool uses it every chance they get?

[@thespanishinquisitionprofe2151]

@@malezra-7407 Its utility is rarely acknowledged by anyone who doesn't play K. Rool.

[@seansquiers6506]

I'm so glad Lucas' f tilt is in this. I love his f tilt and fair.

[@PloStreams]

Fox down air is kind of swag money as well. It’s a phenomenal combo starter and kill confirm, but it’s overshadowed by his other phenomenal aerials so it doesn’t really get too much recognition. The last aerial hit box is super safe on shields, it has a landing hit box that, while it’s not safe on shield leads to upsmash at a silly-large window at kill percent. The low launch angle is also great for tech chases and early kills off the side. The auto cancel window isn’t necessarily easy to get a hang of but once you do it’s a super threatening move that you can get away with spamming. Leads to a guaranteed 20-40% combo on almost any character and sets up for easy shield pokes and kills at high percent in any matchup.

[@connerkuryluk193]

Kirby’s F-air is underrated in my opinion. It can combo, edgeguard, kill confirm, and has pretty good damage. It’s like a Swiss Army knife

[@kidkruschev]

Underrated how, every Kirby player uses it

[@jeepers3222]

Literally Kirby’s worst aerial

[@connerkuryluk193]

@@kidkruschev Does this move get talked about outside of Kirby mains?

[@connerkuryluk193]

@@jeepers3222 Worse than his up air?

[@spacewarp5850]

I am shocked that Inceneroar’s down tilt didn’t make it in considering that you even put it in your best moves list.

[@malezra-7407]

I think that since he went so in depth on his best move list he didn't put it on this one.

[@dementedgastly5050]

I want to thank you for giving Dark Pit's arrows some credit. He is my main too and doesn't get enough love. Also Pit nair is a great move too.

[@CarbonMalite]

I love shuriken of light cuz it conditions the opponent and has fun properties not seen with moves like Falco lasers but honestly it needs less lag/more hitstun so you can do anything with it as the incredibly slow Mii Sword

[@EvanMcShepherd]

Based Isabelle placement

[@tofu5722]

So very random praise but I actually like that you use costume when you show of something technical to drive a point. It makes it a little bit less alienating and a lot more interesting to look at. Keep up the good work!

[@squishy.mp4]

This list was more of a “lets talk about moves on characters you don’t see much” rather then a “underrated moves tier list” i don’t think anyone is calling any of these moves bad or seeing them in negative light they just don’t get talked about due to lack of representation with the exception being Mario.

[@captainmega6310]

Hey dude. That's what an underrated move is. Not being talked about still means the same underrated

[@bloodydoll5897]

i love the approach to the intro, it simultaneously discourages people from being mean about not including their underrated move, and ALSO says that they can still share if they want because it will help you! its one of those awesome positive feedback loop things, and it lets you write more freely! my friend and i play marth and we both agree that if dancing blade didnt require a phd to use then marth would easily be high or top tier, without any debate

[@aidenvega6306]

I genuinely think that there are a lot of broken projectiles. One being hero Kaboom. It's broken. I think it's the best one in the game. Zelda phantom its just so good. Shadow flair is so good I think. It does everything and more. And finally, mecha koopa. It just doesnt work for bowser jr. These are just the underrated ones on my list.

[@tymunster]

I might be off the rocker here, but K rool up air feels heavily underrated. It's fast to start and a strong as hell kill move with a small amount of vertical movement. If that move didn't have 2 years of end lag, it would be one of the best up airs in the game. As is, I definitely don't think it's anywhere near the *best*, but I'd say its better than Banjo's, Kirby's, and a few others in the game.

[@ashtmslf2315]

Are you kidding? That move is awful, the hitbox is tiny and it has WAY too much startup time and endlag

[@tymunster]

@@ashtmslf2315 actually it's among the quickest moves any heavyweight has at frame 7, and the poor reputation of the move means it will be landing more, since nobody expects it. And when a move that kills that hard lands more, that really hurts