The Toxic GATEKEEPING Culture of Tech

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[@dummycodes]

You let me know in the comments, what type of toxic people have you encountered in tech?

[@karieltheone]

That type of gatekeeping comes from a place of insecurity, their are just people that need to put others down to make themselves feel better. Many times these are the same type of people that get enraged when someone gets to the same point as they have with less work, like they feel personally attacked. This reminded me of an interview I had at Samsung, it was a panel interview with 5 engineers, this one guy came 45 minutes late to the interview and as soon as he got there he started asking general physics text book questions, mind you, at this point I had been doing engineering related work for 8 years, never been fired, perfect reviews, all my background was with large successful companies...and here is this 20 year old being disrespectful by asking me basic science questions, with a very aggressive tone. Then when I replied all his questions he went into a rant on why pure 'traditional' engineering degrees were better than engineering technology degrees, because his program had Calculus IV and Differential equations as mandatory subjects, and most engineering technology degrees only saw up to Calculus II. Completely moronic. Mind you, at this point I have over 10 years in my industry, I work in one of the largest companies in the world, doing electrical engineering related work, in a group that does research and development...I have yet to use calculus or differential equations once at work. People are just dumb.

[@AnnaSzabo]

I just did 😬

[@BillClinton228]

Gatekeepers and toxic devs don't believe they are either... they think they are good people trying to teach less intelligent people basic concepts.

[@lecryptojames]

It shows insecurity. True professionals are not only solid in their tech skills, but also their tech mentorship abilities.

[@dummycodes]

Some of the greatest programmers are the greatest communicators too. Can’t do much if you don’t uplift the people you’re working with

[@lecryptojames]

@@dummycodes So true!!

[@BillClinton228]

Yep, another trait of a junior dev is tech stack favoritism, I always laugh when I hear people saying Node and React is better than C# and Blazor. Seriously who cares... our job is to write code to solve a problem, you can write that code in Assembly for all I care

[@ronaldcollins-noaaaffiliat7464]

I been writing code professionally for 30+ years now. I've worked for several companies and as an independent consultant. There are always going to be those who think you are a genius and those who think you have no idea what you are doing. My advice, ignore them both because neither is right. LOL! Sometimes you are the smartest person in the room and sometimes you aren't but NEVER let anyone treat you like you and skills are not an asset.

[@kolyxix]

Hey man, you completely nailed it. It is those kind of people, geek, who feel insecure because their coding skills can now done by anyone who dont really have a computer science degree, so they get bitter and angry about it. They will even write article about how to code properly or how they will reject anyone how doesnt have a computer science degree. What a waste of time. And now with CHATGPT in the picture, things about to get very interesting, i mean very very interesting

[@Yesitsmedaphne]

The ultimate gatekeeping I've been seeing lately are the entry level positions requiring 2-3 years of experience. Like how do you need experience to get experience 🤔

[@yass3lon]

I couldn't agree more with you! 👏👏👏

[@jollyjjo]

I saw an internship wanting previous intern experience ...💀

[@BillClinton228]

They call it "entry level" so they can pay you less, some of the salaries I've seen for junior software developers are at just above minimum wage. I've even seen senior software developer positions advertised for $45 000 a year. That's absolutely laughable especially when you consider how many technologies and languages they expect you to know for that kind of money.

[@kolyxix]

It is such a shame

[@stayflyndev800]

The gate keeping is so crazy! The Ego is even crazier! I have been on the side interviewing devs that would be working with me and on the other side being an interviewee and its disappointing how some companies make it difficult to get in the door. Don't give up on yourself if you are struggling to get a job because when God says YES, these people can't tell you no.

[@perezident14]

Okay, but let’s be real. Software developers are usually people who don’t really know what they’re doing as they code all day. Software engineers, on the other hand, are usually people who code all day and don’t really know what they’re doing.

[@BeastMaster228]

I'm not going into coding anymore but instead going into UX/UI. I hope the same thing isn't over in that group.

[@dummycodes]

Ahah definitely is. But don’t let that stop you from learning

[@La-libellule]

It is haha

[@michaelbrock6255]

I worked in satcom same shit nerd culture has a lot of awesome things too it unfortunately quite a few people feel insecure about being a nerd so they hyper fixate on their own intelligence with the end result being putting others down

[@steamyrobotlove]

I used to have a couple friends, super smart and brilliant coders (I think, lol), but they were definitely the toxic “RTFM NOOB LOL” types. Which is what mainly dissuaded me from pursuing coding professionally. Now that im older and disconnected from them, I’m really interested in it again! Never let others prevent you from exploring your interests!

[@therevelator6554]

This is something that needed to be said. It's more than just bitterness, it's insecurity. It's been a thing for a very long time. Unfortunately, this is nothing new. I've been in IT for over 30 years, but not in coding (I've been working on that off and on for about 7 years, though). If you have the interest and the drive, as with anything else, just go for it. Fuck whoever else thinks different. In the end, those jokers don't realize that the next crop of people have to take the mantle or otherwise, when the vets fade away, the industry suffers and dies right along with them.

[@BillClinton228]

30 years ago, programmers wore a tie and people called them professionals because they were professionals, they were adults. Now its a bunch of hoodie wearing kids with a God complex. No wonder salaries in the software field are going down.

[@A.M.1.]

Hey larry hope your doin well. Your channel pops up in my reccomended like every year and you share alot. Wanting the best for ya bro

[@letgabeequaltrue9097]

I haven't seen a microphone that long since Bob Barker. I kept waiting for you to ask us for a starting bid. Great Video.

[@dummycodes]

Ahahahah

[@user-lm4sl7rb2w]

Glad to see you uploading again! Always enjoy your content.

[@dummycodes]

Only gonna drop more :)

[@mathengenewton9953]

welcome back man

[@dummycodes]

Thank you!

[@nickdaone]

I think why gatekeeping happens is seeing a huge influx of competition. I know personally you have felt this including me that when there are 20k new batch of software engineers coming out of college, there is only so much that a company can hire. Roughly half of these degree holders don't even use their degree (some go under business, finance, real estate, start-ups, etc.) which makes me confused as to why they even when down the rabbit hole.

[@AnnaSzabo]

Gatekeeper in tech (Salesforce consulting specifically) caused a dude to bully me in a multi-paragraph letter telling me how worthless I am because I earned 11x highly-technical certifications in 7 months. I felt shocked 😳 but discovered that it’s common.

[@samuelcooper9880]

Drink caffeine... Read the docs... Wake up in an alternate reality.

[@essaali1982]

Hi Larry pls come back

[@JohnnyUtah269]

Oh man I’m only a min In and this is reminding me of my first internship where this dude vocalized his judgement about me using a mouse instead of only just using the keyboard. Like I was a noob because of it…

[@tonidezman7033]

I am a vim/tmux user and I like to use mouse. If you find somebody like that again you tell them that you know a vim power user who doesn't mind using mouse and track pad :)

[@mycodehan]

I noticed that on stack overflow smh

[@sipp5657]

LESSS GOOO

[@Vino359]

Heey where's my man at, I hope you are well bro.

[@SimGunther]

6:45 Don't let the corpos bring us down with that narrative. Improve education and let's all be kinder, more professional, caring, and scientific about the craft. Ellen Spertus has some work on this topic and it's well worth the read!

[@tonidezman7033]

You are not a good coder. You are a GREAT coder

[@Handle1298]

I'm glad you spoke up about this because the toxicity in coding community is ridiculous and idiotic and I 100% agree: if you are going to code, you must have a progressive mind.

[@croak8575]

I am late to this video, but I want to second the Udacity recommendation. I started my career with Udacity and it changed my life. Sr. Software Engineer 5 years later.

[@stayflyndev800]

As much as I have interviewed, taken 2+ hours test, etc you realize how these interviewers don't know much more than you. If anything they are looking up the answer on stack overflow and pretending they came up with the solution on the top of the dome.

[@pablitocodes]

LOTS OF THAT GOING ON BRUH..

[@fredoverflow]

Handholding a shotgun microphone? I'll allow it. Sounds great!

[@KineticCode]

Yo, I like your attitude when it comes to "Get as many people in as possible", but I personally feel like junior(and maybe even mid-level) are getting severely clogged with applicants. I have trouble finding work as a qualified programmer, and I'm sure many of the people entering software are having the same struggles as me

[@dummycodes]

Completely understand that argument . But also feel like the hiring system should be better. The programming interview at all levels is all over the place.

[@KineticCode]

@@dummycodes Yea the current state of the job market feels like a program that was sloppily thrown together with outdated libraries and dirty code. We need to refactor it lol

[@karnez05]

Aww man my dog, I hope you doing better.. my dream was to be a we dev, time I seen all the blocks I said fuck it

[@deonbuckets1004]

I committed 100% to coding for the past couple months and the stack overflow part is accurate like I just came here to get some help or advice not to see a paragraph of complaining

[@PythonCodeMan]

I am the first buddy here!!

[@dummycodes]

appreciate you pawtna

[@rocknation7065]

🤔

[@heman1320]

College is so expensive, and it was a boy's club anyway. The internet has all the knowledge you need to be a competent engineer. The trick is getting the experience. And those who spent the money usually want to gatekeep to make themselves feel better about spending that money.

[@connerwhite5351]

Definitely full-blown insecurity

[@Zoooooooooooo]

livin like larry?????????????????/

[@John-wu4rc]

Lol. These same people are in the hiring process. Good luck with that.

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