The Tribalistic Cultists of MMORPGS

[@madseasonshow]

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[@chrisc7110]

Very grateful for your work ol buddy. Keep it up!

[@playlist233]

WoW so tribalistic it split itself up into 2 versions just to shit on it more

[@charlestonjew7587]

Meanwhile, Activision/Blizzard is rolling around in their money bin since they both share level boosts and WoW Tokens.

[@apolloeosphoros4345]

@@charlestonjew7587 Microsoft Activision Blizzard is rolling around in their money bin now. doesn't that roll off the tongue? At least Bobby is gone, press S to spit. S

[@charlestonjew7587]

@@apolloeosphoros4345 Bobby set standard. I don't expect things to improve under Microsoft. Overwatch 2 continues to fail upward. Bobby's on his yacht as we speak, enjoying cocktails, surrounded by Maxim models.

[@SporkyMcFly]

@@apolloeosphoros4345 Now, you can not even /spit as long as you have a target. It no longer defaults to spitting on the ground, it just does not let you.

[@reffa2858]

I recall people upset that classic wasnt a 1 to 1 recreation of classic WoW even though it was pretty damn close. But the same people are praising season of discovery. Kind of hypocritical...

[@Grizz343]

DAMN you're pumping videos out this year, good stuff bro

[@madseasonshow]

Expect lots more :D, I have tons of stuff in the works

[@gustach6167]

​@@madseasonshowplease share your drugs or at least tell where to buy))))

[@Lucarocks92]

​@@madseasonshow Just don't burn yourself out, we don't mind waiting for your videos because we know they are coming from 100% passion projects.

[@FarelForever]

I remember when the WoW exodus to FF14 happened, and fuel was added to the fire due to all sort of controversies that Blizzard got into. Me and many other FF14 players rejoiced, but Yoshi-P, the director of our game proclaimed that all of this was no reason to celebrate because WoW is a very important game to him , one which he has many fond memories of, and that without it, FF14 would not exist as it does now. Those words really stuck with me... If a guy whose livelihood depends on FF14 making money can express regret over the troubles that WoW was facing... Then who am I as a mere gamer to take joy from the misfortune of people who simply chose another title ? It's a lesson I'm glad to have learned.

[@kraftbaisden3737]

I remember that too, won a lot of my respect for him.

[@tangovicious4224]

The fact that a horse made more money than Starcraft II makes me so sad.

[@roberthansson8222]

Yea and that means there will most likely never be a warcraft 4 or starcraft 3.

[@tangovicious4224]

@@roberthansson8222 unfortunately, yes.

[@andrsl1]

@@roberthansson8222 And the worst part is... that's a good thing, current Blizzard is incapable of making a worthy successor to the previous RTS titles, if its done it would be a hollow shell of a game, remember wc3 reforged

[@mancamiatipoola]

The problem here is not the blizz is bad, or there is no demand for RTS games. Problem is that current blizz is no longer that pioneering gaming company of the 90s with a few dozen employees that was making passion projects and quality games. The blizz now is just a small cog in a massive corporation that just wants to make money no matter how that goes. Most of the decent devs have already left blizz during the Activision days, so the blizz today is not the same company that made those awesome games. It is a bunch of new people that just wanna keep their jobs and do whatever the corpo overlords tell them to do. And most of the time that is a new horse model or a small map or a small anything that requires very little work but will net the company millions of dollars from macrotransaction (cant call them microtransactions anymore).

[@Awisp_Gaming]

Feel like MadSeasonShow had an out of body experience and realized all the addictions/things he put up with WOW and not only is this a part of his therapy, he wants to heal other people/break them of the spell....Mad props

[@mancamiatipoola]

Hehe, one way of putting it. MMO addiction is a hell of a thing because you can;t even feel it creeping up on you and it does not manifest like hard drugs that start to ruin your body visibly. So most people aren;t even aware of it. Maybe MadSeason is starting to look more critically at these large games now that he has left the hype and is an outsider. I remember that after i quit WOW in 2009, i felt great. I fixed my life up, made a bunch of frends and had a lot of social interactions with all kinds of people because i had so much free time all of a sudden. The biggest problem of computer games is how much time they eat from your life until you start to realise it...

[@Obelion_]

really enjoy your new "do whatever i feel like" style. your unique way is really enterntaining no matter the subject

[@szymonmilosz99]

that factorio soundtrack during a part of the video about game addictiveness is a nice easter egg lol

[@YokohamaBandit]

Loved your deep dive take on this whole topic. It is incredible how much you can notice in simple things if you zoom out and take your time to just think what is happening around you and inside of you. Thank you for your personal thoughts. Peace

[@cloudstrife2131]

You've seen how the MMO developer performs his tricks, and now the magic is forever lost. That's the price of enlightenment.

[@StinkyBagel]

Hit the nail on the head. Fantastic video

[@ZombieTreder]

This felt like the intro to a much longer video.

[@Zentarius]

The intro music

[@uppsie]

there was always some people in the ffxiv community polarized against wow but they were often a very small portion of the community, a large portion of the community had either never tried wow (and were more likely FFXI players) or had dropped wow long before picking FFXIV and had no real emotional attachment to it. That is, of course, until the huge explosion of people came during Shadowlands and the big controversy at blizz. Feels like FFXIV got a lot more anti-wow tribalist when a bunch of recently-quit-wow players came over and made that pretty much their entire personality.

[@jacknapier2089]

Being set for Life and Satisfied are antithetical to MMOs. MMO Andys who have ten wives, 16 kids, 5 jobs are drunk with the wines of Dionysus, they scream and throw monkey poo at normal people.

[@CarnageO31]

For me anyway, I feel like the sheer amount of time I put into wow is why I have so much distaste for it now. I was addicted to the social aspect and definitely wasted years on it. While I was never addicted to 14, I did thoroughly enjoy the story.

[@kristopherscott9511]

I went from hardcore pvp climbing for a taste of R1 now im so casual I can barely break 1500, I 100% get were your coming from Carnage.

[@mancamiatipoola]

MMO addiction is a hell of a thing because you can;t even feel it creeping up on you and it does not manifest like hard drugs that start to ruin your body visibly. So most people aren;t even aware of it. Maybe MadSeason is starting to look more critically at these large games now that he has left the tribe and is an outsider. I remember that after i quit WOW in 2009, i felt great. I fixed my life up, made a bunch of frends and had a lot of social interactions with all kinds of people because i had so much free time all of a sudden. The biggest problem of computer games is how much time they eat from your life until you start to realise it...

[@seriall1337]

You've really been pushing out some great content lately. It's greatly appreciated!

[@ninnoofthelastunicorn]

I remember during the wow exodus to XIV, so many folks spoke about WOW like it hurt them and their family. And, it kind of did. Playing a game for over a decade only to be felt ignored and neglected can feel like it's an old friend doing that to you, not just a game. I'm firmly in the boat this is the best time to be an MMO fan because there's so many options now. Even if XIV and wow are still the biggest, between the two are such different experiences, you really can find something you want between them.

[@user-fv7jd4xj5n]

xiv and wow have such different positives and negatives, that if the positives were combined, you would have the best mmo ever.

[@ParabolicGains]

It's kind of telling when everyone I played Vanilla with is still doing the same thing 15 years later..

[@AKS-74U]

All of these new MadSeason videos are really good for my soul. Long form, short form, doesn't matter. I'm here for all of them.

[@mitchconner2021]

He said it was the year of Madseason. I think he was right. Our boy pumping out the video's this year let's goo

[@raze667]

1:50 hey loop hero. BANGER ost

[@Reac2]

Blinch is a banger composer

[@apolloeosphoros4345]

great video my man, not just excellent quality video production but also some fresh original ideas for the discourse. Sorely needed ideas too. One thing I've noticed about MMOs is like no other genre there's a lot of legends, storytelling, drama and deep lore of just the community itself. Read some old MMO Champion threads for example! Anyway, that was great

[@Cynidecia]

I have waited so long for someone to call out this behavior. It's literally killed whole servers and communities.

[@Walterion]

This mad man is on an editing roll! Glad to see all this content coming through, mads!

[@ChessJew]

Loving all the work - you're doing more while keeping your quality high, which is a hard balance to keep.

[@viva3401]

I suddenly have the strangest urge to try my hand at Loop Hero Act 4 again, even though I know it's mathematically impossible

[@Reac2]

Act 4? Omega is beatable I did it first try o.O

[@Reac2]

Act 4 was Omega right? Lich, Angel, Hunter then Omega? It's been a year

[@robcrossett5417]

I loved the Apple montage at the end. I was always in a guild, for 15 of the 17 years i played wow, so I totally get the tribal feeling. You would see those people who came around on patch day, played for a week or two, and moved on to something else. During that week or two when they were around, people would invite them to groups immediately as if they were revered for their flip-floppiness. I knew all too well it was a pattern and stayed away from those players. The two years in BfA when i was without a guild was probably some of the best times i had in wow. It is how i made millions of gold because instead of focusing on *the guild schedule*, i got to spend time by myself and see what really interested me about wow, and gaming in general.

[@maxkammer9847]

A lot of the point you make in the video with tribalism can also be applied to car brands I'm a BMW owner and love the brand but there's groups out there that if you criticize or critique the brand in anyway will go ravid over it

[@ajgiov]

Audi here 100% agree

[@udotheworthy9100]

I'm glad I can come to this channel to hear a sound mind talk about things. Thanks for all the effort you've put in this year.

[@insecdroid]

As someone who is a part of both the WoW and FFXIV communities (if I’m far more involved and obsessed with one compared to the other) I have definitely seen this play out over and over again from both sides.

[@KibaPwnU]

I spent 15 years playing Wow because I loved the story. After Shadowlands they lost me when it seemed clear they had no clue how to make an engaging narrative and I discovered that FF14 was a far superior experience in terms of story telling, so even tho it lacks in other areas it has become my favorite mmo.

[@johndeljoy8071]

Lovely to see another one of your videos MadSeason

[@kristopherscott9511]

I love the style of your videos for w.e reason it just hits home.

[@Kralchen]

Well said and well put together.

[@Moonlight-pg4ru]

GoatSeasonShow Really appreciating the last videos man So fun to watch even for games i dont play like Tarkov or Diablo

[@lucassilverblade913]

Love you Season

[@danielgranda896]

Thanks for this great content. I am really enjoying your series! Your vintage cuts are uber nostalgic for me. The bit with the AOL Messenger chat had me laughing so hard I woke up my kids! Not only could I hear that ubiquitous 56k modem “handshake” it totally reminded me how of how in mid/late 90s we would troll chat rooms and spam “wanker” and “boobs” over and over again.

[@PureKino]

Wow so early this time! Love the content Mad!

[@Pembo-vn7qq]

Your editing is outstanding, well done sir!

[@glizzardo2692]

“ITS NOT A CULT” says every cult ever

[@rosspritchett8423]

As every non-cult ever says too. tf are you talking about

[@glizzardo2692]

@@rosspritchett8423 lmao no one’s bringing up cults if it’s actually not a cult gtfo 🤡

[@Kaptitanbear]

if you could 'steal' ideas/content/exucution from one of the two big games and implant them in the other, what would you steal? eg, how cashshop works in ff into wow, how raids are made in wow to ff, etc

[@JungleKluya]

I would want wow to have trials like ff. More one boss raids that have fun mechanics.

[@undercoverspy123]

But FF raids are already better, I dont really know of much FFXIV can steal other than like the glamor catalog from WoW, that'd bang.

[@1ViivviiX1]

WoW has been in my life longer than literally any other thing then my own body and a handful of family members. I've played it off and on since I was 6-7 yrs old during OG vanilla. I think that if the community was more healthy and not as off putting as they can be, the game would do better and more people would play it, and in turn the company would be incentivized to keep up the good work like they are doing RN in Dragon Flight. I am all for people having their favorite expacs, their opinions on how the game is now, but WoW's community is one of the only ones I've seen that even after some people havent played the game for over a decade will still go out if their way to bash the game online, in KZbin comment sections, and have no idea what state the game is truly in now cause they haven't played it in multiple expacs. I didn't play BFA when live and I have seen/heard all the systems in it that would've made me probably not like the game very much myself. But now I'm playing in Dragon Flight and played the end of Shadow Lands, and I'm thoroughly enjoying it and the game has some things that make it significantly better than it was even just an expansion ago. (Talent systems, so many routes to gear up, being super alt friendly, etc.) And atleast fron what they are announcing and showing off for The World Soul Saga (starting with The War Within) is going to be going even more in a direction I'm gonna enjoy. The way I see it is that it's so unhealthy, almost like staying in contact with a bad relationship you've had in life just to constantly drag yourself into a negative mindset, while also trying to deter others from even playing it or hating on them for enjoying it. It would make alot more sense to give the game a try yourself again, and see if it is better (or worse) for yourself, or just walk away and let it go (and stop fueling unhappy/negative feelings interacting with something you obviously have disdain or a hatred for. It's like saying you hate a person, but then purposefully choose to always linger around them just to make yourself unhappy. From my personal experiences, i know thats a really unhealthy way to live. But hey, it's people's own lives, and they can do what they want with them. But on the same note, people shouldn't have the audacity to try and make other people hate something the way they do. Just let people enjoy what they enjoy and you can enjoy what you enjoy. Different strokes for different folks, especially when it comes to preferences in some recreational activity you do for FUN such as video games. Rant over, good video MadSeason. Keep it up. 🙏🔥🖤

[@Xexurra]

awesome insight, as always I was "addicted" to wow for a decade, and I saw myself in the video a couple of times. Now, I have a job, a healthier lifestyle and play more games casually instead of going hardcore. My perspective about things has changed and I agree with your observations

[@sleepysoup4567]

THE INTRO YESSSS. day is all better now with a mad season video

[@qu3nt]

as a old wow player, i feel the same tribalism and toxicity on COD Warzone Mouse and Keyboard vs Controller Aim Assist

[@Nishinga.]

It’s awesome seeing you uploading man, always makes my day ! Also the thumb reveal at the beginning! 👀

[@grip7777]

It's not just investment, but also the fear that the investment should have been placed in the other camp. People moving essentially means your investment is less likely to matter, also this is why some people are against stuff like improving the new player experience as well as legacy stuff returning in small amounts or with a different coat of paint. This isnt something inevitable though, you can fight tribalism. I have almost all the mage tower skins and would LOVE to see them return so other players can earn them for themselves.

[@AUZlE]

Dude loving the consistent content!

[@DeflatedNarwhal]

so many bangers keep it going madseason!

[@bmo14lax]

0:35 this is why we love you MadSeason

[@mcfarvo]

7:13 "RPG games" ATM machine IFAK kit Etc.

[@slimebuck]

guilds is the reason I got addicted to WoW. Not only did you havew to pay to get on the server, but you had to socially prove yourself to enter a guild. I was so SICK of dealing with air head noobs, chumps, bullies, overly angry for no reason people ect ect and found that the more barriers to entry, and the harder it was to get into a tribe, and group of people it weeded out people who where toxic and people who put no effort in.

[@fev0r]

Good job. Very well done as usual. Must say the cosy music of your past videos was nicer

[@Jeficus]

I think most of the things you presented in this video could be linked to any video game genre. Fantastic job!

[@Bartoc1988]

Not just games. Look at sports or clothing brands.

[@AYAKXSHI]

@@Bartoc1988 even cars

[@Bartoc1988]

@@AYAKXSHI Yeah, and pretty much everything else. People love tribalism.

[@AYAKXSHI]

@@Bartoc1988 it’s apart of human nature

[@DrRockso71]

Bro i am loving all these videos! Im sad i didnt find this channel sooner

[@scehr]

We are being blessed with all these videos, man. Love it. 🤙 Enjoy what you do and don't burn out. ❤

[@silvafangtv]

thank you for the video Mad

[@barneypanofsky1957]

03:16 that strapped LOTR poster made me grin my own teeth, R.I.P.

[@william7th88]

Love the new form content! Keep it up

[@dissell2112]

I really appreciate the loop hero music

[@BirdmanPRRT]

Fantastic as always, Mad.

[@dungeonsanddisclaimers4950]

Yay mad season is back and inspired! I hope u enjoy this again because we are!

[@PeterChnupa]

Here I am, thinking that you were going to do a deep dive into this trope of tribalistic cultist mobs INSIDE the games. And all of the time you were going for the most vicious cults of all. The actual players. Lol

[@zukacs]

Damnnnn each video better then other

[@doveydove96]

Dang. DANG. Thanks for putting words into what we all see and know.

[@kamileon9958]

7:21 showing dark cloud content ❤ love that one and dc2

[@fuzzylumpkins6034]

That phone brought back every 976 number I saw in my dad's hustlers lol

[@FknTony]

Loving more videos from you!

[@AsprosOfAzeroth]

Remember when SWTOR was coming out and there was a movement online called "Tortanic" that wished the game to fail. It was composed by Bioware fans that did not want them to go MMO and WoW players that wanted to bullie the competition.

[@ChessJew]

And after all that, SWTOR killed itself by being bad. Ironic.

[@charlestonjew7587]

@@ChessJew Yeah, they should've focussed less on the MMO aspect and more on the class campaigns because I did enjoy doing my class missions. They were fully voiced with cut scenes between missions. The gameplay was ok, at least for that aspect.

[@AsprosOfAzeroth]

​@@ChessJewIt was mostly the engine that did it, coming out of WoW the moment you move a character in SWTOR you can tell I do return to SWTOR once in a while for the single player stuff. There is good story content there!

[@ChessJew]

@@AsprosOfAzeroth Exactly right. I took up the game on launch, and it was basically unplayable half the time just from framerates

[@iaobtc]

Based

[@Torbarian]

One of the biggest reasons for Tribalism is engrained in society we think in 0 sum and people feel as if my product I enjoy cant just be good it must be the BEST and destroy all others or Im wasting time

[@Lanu790]

5:07 Factorio's theme

[@faithful360]

MadSeason bringing the truth and facts!!

[@weedaura4087]

that unreal tournament footage brought me back.

[@badwolf8112]

I long for a time when I'll be able to feel and be lost in a mmo that feels like it's own world with high popularity and social hubs

[@c0ldsh0w3r]

Man, your music choices are stellar. Factorio tunes are epic

[@dannyp9210]

If only someone would make an MMO that merges Classic WoW and OSRS...

[@apolloeosphoros4345]

i am already blinded by a sea of glinting hairless scalps just thinking about it

[@TomGotGanked]

@@apolloeosphoros4345lmfaoooo

[@Zoibek]

​@@apolloeosphoros4345the joke is there is a person working on it

[@karstenkunneman5219]

If only

[@Yungshamgod]

I would die. Please unsuggest this idea

[@TreesPlease42]

Glad to see you speaking to the effect of tribalism in entertainment and its role in our culture

[@monkpawfire]

the music from loop hero was very fitting nice use.

[@blech71]

Oh Man U speak to my heart on one game in particular and its community; POE. Shout out to the G2 chat crew. I don’t know what the community would do if they couldn’t absolutely shit on another AARPG from LE, LA and ofc D4:BAD. So it’s not just the classic version of the MMORPG like WoW/FF14 but also AARPG’s that have like community structure.

[@maxolus858]

Ah that Cowboy Bebop song at the beginning I could have guessed earlier that one of the highest quality KZbinrs is also a enjoyer of the highest quality series.

[@seventus]

Wow, showing a NiP vs SoA match, massive nostalgia!

[@TiesOfZip]

Aww, that intro clip. I missed that

[@skippyzk]

2:33 My disdain goes so much deeper. I loathe reality. Real life is an obstacle.

[@meteorwalkergg]

"Why It's Rude to Suck At World of Warcraft" by Folding Ideas explains this feedback loop with academic citations + mathematical data

[@PrimordialNightmare]

that video hurt me on an emotional level, because it's so true.

[@T3hG4m3rz43v3r]

Another chadseason video? ITS EARLY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!!!

[@Typhoonis88]

Loop hero may have been a small game but man is its OST a complete banger!

[@ithiusdomino]

I'm a simple man: I see a Madseason video (which are always high quality), I give it a like. You, sir, are a talent and I appreciate your work, ty.

[@heathercarney4967]

Hugs and much love! Than you for your content!

[@Liqweed1337]

10:43 very strong point!

[@PainfullySubjective]

nice one, madseason!

[@reffa2858]

Ive never experienced MMO tribalism. But I was well aware of the console wars between Playstation, Xbox, and PC. Ive never witnessed them physically harm others over their preferred console but I do recall people causing harm to themselves over their love for the games these consoles had. Like the kid that shot his parents over Halo 3 on xbox. Or the korean adults that started dying because they played Diablo on PC for too long. I dont recall playstation ever having these types of fans though.... Nowadays the console wars seemed to have died down with the consoles being more similar than ever. And things like cross platform and cross play merging the identities of these consoles.

[@cardboardempire]

I started playing Ultima Online in 99. I would make a pretty good living buying and selling accounts especially houses on Ebay. I progressed into Diablo 2 and sold items on Ebay, but WoW was another obsession completely. As close as I would get to a drug habit.

[@alexbe4221]

I now like your videos before even watching them, and I will destroy anyone who dares critique my decision to invest my clicks this way. Great content as always, man. Keep it up!

[@sarysa]

That now 40 year old Macintosh ad at the end only gets more and more ironic every year. And oh boy is cell phone tribalism a thing...

[@mcfarvo]

I am glad I quit WoW back in 2010. I enjoyed vanilla through WotLK as a teenager, then got out before the game could ruin my life.

[@Conorp77]

THAT INTRO

[@a.9913]

Hell yeah, another mad season

[@ArchonZach]

Why did so many WoW players buy that one specific store mount? Was it some creature players wanted to have access to for years and years did it have some kind of perk? Cause that's a lot of damn horses!

[@genghismckhan.]

There was one sparkly flying horse that was sold alongside a full year sub and a free copy of Diablo 3 at launch (an insane deal by today’s standards). The cost was the same as a 12 month sub. I don’t know anyone who bought it for the horse but I know several who bought it.

[@TarlukLegion]

A) it did have a special perk, and it was the only one of its kind at the time as a mount that was account-wide AND scaled with every riding level, so you wouldn't need to bother getting the ground and then flying mount if you were leveling ults; you could just use the Celestial Steed that you were given from the get-go. so a LOT of people leveling alts wanted that convenience B) it came out at the absolute peak of WoW popularity, back in Wrath of the Lich King

[@hazardeur]

the reason is just stupidity. and man, there's a lot of stupid wow players, that's for sure

[@Electric_]

Also it was the first. You had a lot of people that up until that point collected EVERY mount. Some couldn’t stand the thought that they might not have one of them. And at $15 it seemed easier to obtain than many they grinded for.

[@meowspark9]

Once I stopped enjoying/playing MMOs I found it really hard to interact with people who obsess over them. I usually just stay avoid them now tbh.

[@lucasreiYT]

Alienate another player and the possibility of meeting an eventual ally. Seems relatable 🤓