The Trouble With Health Podcasts, Calories In/Out, & The Carnivore Diet | Layne Norton

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00:00 Intro
00:50 Weight Loss Medications
21:00 Why Misinformation Sells
31:00 Where Are The Experts?
39:00 The Problem With Podcasts
43:40 Health “Fads”
51:00 Mass Media Hypocrisy
58:28 French Fries / Reading Studies
01:12:35 Gameifying Healthcare
01:20:50 Distrust In Science
01:26:00 Nobel Prize Syndrome
01:30:50 Number Needed To Treat
01:37:00 Researchers vs. Clinicians
01:54:00 Dana Whte / Gary Brecka / Recommendations
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[@basil806]

"Can't eat carbs, can't eat fats, can't eat proteins. Everyone photosynthesize and hope for the best" 🤣🤣🤣 I feel this quote with all the conflicting information out there.

[@LGBTQLegend]

Let me just get my leaves ready and stand in the sun for awhile.

[@Kibannn]

Photosynthesis produces sugar (glucose) though so that's also not allowed, unfortunately

[@elliez7269]

@@Kibannn😂

[@jillapalooza]

So… does this work or…

[@LGBTQLegend]

@@jillapalooza Don't know. It's now dark so I can't tell.

[@Mark-zn6ek]

"we have a ... maintenance problem" applies to so many other things too. Doing the initial thing is relatively easy if it's a one-off, but keeping it up forever is hard.

[@unprocessed_life]

because so much of society is unhwalthy and addictive

[@ACNPCC]

As far as the nutrition aspects it’s more so people who lose a lot of weight do it by following unsustainable/ fad diets they don’t enjoy and doesn’t keep them satiated. If someone can master those two aspects of their diet it’s easy to keep the weight off long term

[@jennysheng54]

Thank you Dr Mike for scrutinising over how you utilise your platform to make sure that your audience isn’t receiving misinformation or information that may be misconstrued. With countless successful podcasts not taking their platforms seriously when it comes to public health, it’s becoming a misinformation epidemic - very disheartening. Your integrity is so incredibly valuable.

[@alecrechtiene558]

Yeah it’s impressive. I was skeptical of him bringing Gundry on at first, even if he was critical of him, but when I see him bring Belardo on and making it really clear that this is not what he believes is correct, I felt more comfortable.

[@FitnessWithMellyMel]

💯💯💯

[@AJ-vy4yu]

Norton and Mike always talk about "evidence" and "science", and when they show their "evidence" and "science", they show weak epidemiological studies when there is higher level evidence that debunk these studies.

[@AJ-vy4yu]

Norton and Mike always talk about "evidence" and "science", and when they show their "evidence" and "science", they show weak epidemiological studies when there is higher level evidence that debunk them.

[@buttsexandbananapeels]

No joke. These two guys (and the others fighting for legitimate scientific literacy in their respective fields) are the antidote to the unqualified bozos running misinformation podcasts like Rogan under the guise of “just asking questions.” It’s a shame more people won’t pay attention to this nuanced conversation about not just nutrition, but how to spot the BS.

[@bellaqueen7654]

best quote ever: “if the house is on fire get out of the house”- and encapsulates a truth that is insightful af *and* practical

[@FortheBudgies]

Unless your body is on fire and you can't escape it

[@iwnunn7999]

There are a lot of house fires no one's fleeing..

[@argh01hass]

It's absolutely great advice. And I feel like that's exactly what the pharmaceutical industry provides - an exit ladder to escape from acute danger. Meanwhile the health and fitness industry (the responsible ones at least) show us a slightly improved / more fire-safe strategy for building a new house. But the problem is that most people want to live in the same fire-prone neighbourhood that they were in before. The real work is to change our social and cultural expectations and build truly safe communities where it's easy to be healthy.

[@omohiodeo]

18:25

[@l.a.8709]

Psychologist here who works with people suffering from T2 diabetes, eating disorders, metabolic disorders, etc. and find this life-changing work incredibly rewarding. Much respect to both of these men! PS - we are built for survival, not enjoyment.

[@katbryers667]

But we learned how to survive and that survival will draw us to things that we actually enjoy like sugary things and craving for salt. I think. Don’t really know but kinda makes sense at least to. But I totally agree with how the body itself works. =^_^=

[@l.a.8709]

I agree with you but believe we ‘enjoy’ sugary, salty, & fatty foods because eating these rarely found in nature foods likely increased our ancestors’ likelihood of survival. We’re still built to enjoy them but they are no longer ‘rare finds’ in nature but ubiquitous. Adding in tolerance (or habituation) we naturally develop in response to frequent exposure (similar to the caffeine example they spoke about), we need increasing amounts of these to feel or notice the ‘up’ feelings. BTW - love your signature 😻

[@elusivecamel]

In your opinion what is the main cause of the low willpower a lot of people exhibit when it comes to their bodies? It may sound reductionist but when someone continues to choose to do something that they know is having a negative outcome because changing is "too hard", I start to wonder how so many get into and stuck in that mindset.

[@l.a.8709]

@@elusivecamel I don't believe people are actually choosing to do something they know is having a negative outcome. No one I have worked with wanted to be physically or emotionally where they were (hence, seeing me). Even when truly motivated to have change in their life, effecting the changes necessary for that to happen is incredibly difficult. Or, as the saying goes, it is simple but not easy. We are 'creatures of habit'. In reality, we are built to not change. Most of us walk the same way we've walked since we learned how to do so. This is a simple trial I have done with many people: for the next week, change which foot you use first whenever you get up and begin to move. At first, you'll do it because it is fresh in your mind, seems easy enough, and it also feels quite odd to do so. Once the novelty has worn off (i.e. 10 minutes later) and you are back focused on the usual details of your life, you likely won't even think of changing your 'footedness' again until I ask a week or so later when we meet again (very, very likely after observing you using your original foot first as you arrive to meet). Almost all of the time, we are operating on a default mode. Change requires continued awareness (or mindfulness), intention, and action. Change is, indeed, hard. But so is a life of suffering...

[@kevin9218]

Humans evolved in a relative food scarcity environment. Having the opportunity to consume an energy dense food was great. That energy could be stored for later use when we don't have any food. In the modern world, those periods of low consumption don't happen as much. We still have that drive to consume energy rich foods, because our brains evolved thinking those things are good and healthy, and increased our survivability. There were no fat cavemen. Not because they had the smarts not to eat the sugary fruits or the fat of the pig they killed. They did eat those things when they had them. But they didn't have access to them all the time. In today's world we have constant access to very energy dense foods, and our brains still crave those foods because they represent an opportunity to stockpile energy for a period of future scarcity. Those periods of scarcity never come though, so our bodies keep stockpiling. It actually takes a degree of willpower to not become obese in today's world that those in the ancient world didn't need, because they didn't have the opportunity to become obese. In short, our brains didn't evolve ever thinking "I should avoid eating that because I already have too much fat storage". That just wasn't a situation that happened.

[@cincee6417]

I cannot LOVE this video enough. There is so much knowledge about HOW to be a mature skeptic. Layne Norton is such an amazing scientist that lays it out in facts and supports the science behind his claims. I am a nutrition coach that has followed Layne for years and am happy to see Dr. Mike have his truth on here. MORE of this educational content, please!!!!

[@8Craig8]

truth, pushing synthetic man made foods and synthetic man made pharmaceuticals as "science". How these options are even considered in a conversation blows my mind as someone who can distinguish the difference between nature and man made synthetics. Bring back logical thinking.

[@LaMereACaniche]

@@8Craig8 Did you forget your meds again? Things that are natural aren't inherently good, nor are made-made things inherently bad.

[@mac5917]

@@LaMereACanichethe natural fallacy is still so prevelant it’s crazy. How do people think humans are smart enough to explore space but can’t produce food that is healthy 😂 try eating mercury and see how good that NATURAL material feel👍🏻

[@jarren32]

​@LaMereACaniche he didn't forget them. He obviously doesn't believe in them! Hahaha. Probably believes artificial sweetener is worse for humans than sugar

[@AJ-vy4yu]

Norton and Mike always talk about "evidence" and "science", and when they show their "evidence" and "science", they show weak epidemiological studies when there is higher level evidence that debunk them.

[@petercashio844]

I’m an ER & Primary Care physician and this conversation is EXACTLY the conversation that I have with my patients every day. Great discussion and insights and explanations about risk, evaluating gurus, misinformation, and so on. Well done gentleman.

[@AJ-vy4yu]

You have not actually seen sufficient evidence that they are right. I know this because the science does not support their claims that we need to eat a of vegetables and consume seed oils to be healthy. I would like to see a study that proves otherwise. Don't get me started with those weak epidemiological studies with massive confounding factors.

[@AJ-vy4yu]

Norton was owned in debate with Saladino. He learned that he should not debate ever again with him. Now he only throws punches at him from distance.

[@merseaaa]

Emphasizing the difference between clinical significance and statistical significance with the number needed to treat is truly such a game changer in how I am processing the generalized information and “science” presented online. Thank you for sharing this amazing conversation.

[@itsnevy]

Ive been overweight my entire life. I was over 400 lbs in 2017. I have since lost 100 lbs. A diet is temporary. A lifestyle change is long lasting. I stopped eating out and changed the food in my house to salads, veggies, fruits, and meats.

[@LGBTQLegend]

It's not just what you eat but how much you eat is a bigger factor when compared to how much you burn. If your intake is larger than your burn that's often what leads to being overweight because the food has to go somewhere. There are other factors to it but that's one that often gets overlooked and is a major contributor. To be clear I'm not saying eating lots of food is the cause. I'm saying eating lots of food that you don't burn off is.

[@Kwildcat13]

@@LGBTQLegendof course you can’t out burn your food . Still 90 percent of regular people overeat carbs in general , super easy to do it !

[@ghost9-9ghost]

I can relate....I've struggled with weight my entire life too....some of us just have genetic predisposition to store fay preferentially...so I get your struggle... I was 240 pounds as a teenager and I was only 5'4"...... And yes...in 30 years of experience...avoiding refined flour-based sugar processed food is THE MAIN thing....protein, healthy fats, natural carbs and plants... Also you have to exercise daily.... HEY CONGRATS ON YOUR SUCCESS SO FAR! awesome...

[@debblackwell2750]

Like you I’ve been overweight forever at 13 I was at ww and that screwed my relationship with food. My mum yo-yo’d I copied. It’s taken me many years I’m 10 stone down still a bit to go but probably lost 15/20 stone by screwing it up. Weightloss has to be sustainable and not a quick fix. It was weightloss surgery in vogue when I started I’d always said I couldn’t count calories I can and now from a fear of scales I weigh every day but am not fuled by a number. Well done on your loss it’s not easy and we all deserve to be happy with our weight whether that’s loosing it or putting it on.

[@msjdb723]

Good job! 🎉

[@LGBTQLegend]

More props need to be given to people who try to fight misinformation. They are unsung heroes that keep societies going.

[@toseltreps1101]

Agree 100%. But the actual cure here would be fostering curiosity and improving access to education

[@unprocessed_life]

long live carnivores

[@IzzyIkigai]

@@unprocessed_life that's an interesting oxymoron.

[@toseltreps1101]

@@IzzyIkigai the only morons here are vegans

[@FortheBudgies]

I want to start a blog debunking misinformation around women's health but I don't think anyone wants the truth

[@d14551]

There's so much sanity in this video, it was a pleasure to see.

[@John11620]

Hello 👋 how are you feeling today hope you're having a wonderful day 💕?

[@sunb5738]

Right ! There's so little intellectual honesty on the internet that it feels like a breath of fresh air haha

[@AJ-vy4yu]

Norton and Mike always talk about "evidence" and "science", and when they show their "evidence" and "science", they show weak epidemiological studies when there is higher level evidence that debunk them.

[@halqthedarktemplar]

@@AJ-vy4yu any examples or are you speaking out of your ass?

[@AJ-vy4yu]

@@halqthedarktemplar In a debate with Paul Saladino, Norton claimed that an epidemiological study had proven causation, and he insisted it did even after Saladino had pointed out that the study did not prove causation or even strong correlation as is with all epidemiological studies.

[@fransinigiraldo4695]

Breath of fresh air seeing you two have a logical and compassionate approach to real life patients problems, not the outliers. Thanks for another great video.

[@whereruaaron]

I know this episode won't get the most views but I honestly hope as many people see this one as possible. In todays society we want the quick fix, the secret formula and it really doesn't exist...Thank you Layne and Mike

[@ghettostreamlabs5724]

My doc put me on Ozempic about 6 months ago. I lost some pounds, but never felt worse. Even felt like I was losing a lot of muscle mass. I threw that sh!t in the trash and started a diet (the type is irrelevant). I re-installed discipline into my eating behavior. Now I am down 30 more pounds (and counting) and I feel great. It really is a psychological change. The biggest thing that has helped me was not beating myself up if I F up with something. Always looking forward. If I have a "bad" dish/meal, I don't let it turn into a "bad" day/days/week/month. I accept the failure, debrief with myself to avoid a similar mistake in the future and get back on track with the next meal. It has been surprisingly effective for me. People, myself included, act like one bad thing during a meal kills all your progress - it doesn't! It actually has very little impact on your progress.

[@LGBTQLegend]

If you don't feel comfortable on a medication or it's not working that's something you should tell your doctor. Just immediately going into self medication and ceasing a medication can have terrible side effects (also please do not throw meds in the trash that can be harmful to both people and animals take them to a pharmacy to be disposed of).

[@whereruaaron]

I bet you have a sick trainer too

[@annad5130]

@@LGBTQLegendgoing on a diet isn’t “self medicating”. And there is no harm going off of a medication that you’ve only been prescribed for dieting. Also, pharmacies are just putting it in the trash as well so that makes no difference.

[@LGBTQLegend]

@@annad5130 You can believe whatever you want about diet pills but you still generally should talk about your doctor with meds you're taking or don't want to take. They've gone to school. Facebook is not a replacement for a university education. Pharmacies do not throw meds in the trash. They dispose of them usually by dissolving or destroying them in another manner. Please stop spreading misinformation.

[@calicat1996]

​@annad5130 meds get incinerated until there's no active medicinal properties definitely avoid throwing out in garbage flushing down toilet, etc. And I agree always good to consult with a doctor or even just pharmacist if it's okay to stop a medicication even if it seems like a simple medication. That's amazing though to getting off ozempic and prioritize a healthy diet, so much more sustainable and better for the body too. That's amazing to have lost that much weight! It's not easy!

[@basicpotato]

As a patient with EDS and consequently have multiple weird health problems, when doctors say "I don't know" I get so happy, especially when they are willing to learn

[@kathygann7632]

So much better than know it all doctors that don’t listen to you!

[@matthewpinson4208]

Thank you, Dr. Mike! Layne is one of the handful of people on social media I 1,000% trust because he's ALWAYS willing to change his mind with evidence! 🔥🔥🔥

[@pr9414]

Exactly, he done his PHD thesis on Leucine and has written many papers on it yet now he doesn't even take a BCAA.

[@melimoo6656]

The other 3 I trust are nutrition made simple, the proof with Simon hill and Physionic. All fact based, no quacks!

[@AJ-vy4yu]

You have not seen any strong evidence that we need to eat a lot of vegetables and seed oils and avoid saturated fat to be healthy. They always point to weak epidemiological studies and ignore the studies that does not support their claims.

[@RehabScience]

Layne does such a good job talking through the science of these topics. Great episode!

[@chadbroski1677]

hey dr mike, i know you probably wont see this but i had a few questions for you, for the last few weeks ive had really strange bowel movements, chest pains, sweaty cold feet, major fatigue, eye twitching and a few other things and i wanted to know what i should do from here

[@doctormarazanvose4373]

@@chadbroski1677 see a doctor?

[@chadbroski1677]

@@doctormarazanvose4373 at the hospital as we speak

[@chadbroski1677]

@@doctormarazanvose4373 doc said it was most likely a virus thing but for some reason in my head im thinking its cancer or something crazy

[@8Craig8]

stop listening to doctors like this and turn to nature as intended, meat only. Your body will take care of the rest, the magical self healing meat sack you have been gifted with needs meat surprisingly. Rather follow doctors like Dr Anthony Chaffee who goes against the mainstream nonsense and focuses just on nature and real nature not man made fruits and vegetables "nature"@@chadbroski1677

[@ginnyjollykidd]

A lot of people don't know how to look up research. My best advice is to find a reference librarian. They are needed now more than ever with how complex everything has become! Also, it takes a lot to take in and interpret the articles you read. The journal articles are often between 10-30 pages long. And a lot of jargon is used that can make finding your way through the maze even harder. But find your nearest university library and chat up the reference librarian to teach you how to use the references. This person is worth their weight in gold. And they seem to know everything!

[@jdee2482]

And jargon initially slows reading, after a few articles the jargon becomes part of your lexicon.

[@hardybros21]

I'm all for self education. I will also advocate for going to a primary care doctor to help you answer some of these questions. The statistical speak in some of these articles can be quite confusing!

[@sydmm-ui8hm]

An additional key component here, is that a lot of people, even if they could understand the research and weigh the quality of different types of peer reviewed studies, simply don't have access to them. A lot of peer reviewed research is behind rather expensive paywalls. If you aren't affiliated with a university or similar group, you don't have access to the full text of studies without paying anywhere between $20-50 to access a single study, which may or may not actually turn out to be helpful. It's also rather difficult to determine from an abstract whether the study you are looking at will be worth paying for (whether it answers the question you are asking with actual quality study design) unless you have been trained to do so. I can't tell you how many times in my undergrad and grad studies an advisor directed me to a study which the university no longer had access to, and I would either have to pay a significant amount of money for or track down the authors of directly to request a copy.

[@_negentropy_]

This is fantastic advice!

[@aidantilgner]

​@@sydmm-ui8hm this is an excellent point. It's understandable why this research is behind a pay wall, people need to make money, but it certainly an inhabitance to people wanting to do independent research. How do you think we can either improve this or work around it?

[@helenlong6221]

Personal trainer / health coach here - this is literally the best podcast I have ever listened to! LOVE Layne Norton! Brilliant, sensible, plain spoken, and not overly impressed with himself. If I were still teaching high school, I would require my students to listen to this.

[@Kentap1738]

As a gym rat lucky enough to get their bachelors in Biochemistry and currently in Medical School; this collab felt like the avengers assembling. Incredibly work you two!!

[@chancock4222]

Same. Gym rat who found themselves with a bachelor's in Kinesiology. (Not on your level by any means but I made it through) Love to see these two chewing the fat so to speak.

[@pattichesser4920]

Calories in/calories out is basic math and worked well for me before my 40s. But weight loss now is more algebraic. It has to take into account endocrinology, health problems, and my ADHD/ASD. Both my husband and I are in our 70s and behavior change is difficult to say the least. Finding what works is very hard.

[@whereruaaron]

As they stated in the podcast it does not...as you age you lose muscle mass and become more sedentary (on average) so while you may have maintained weight previously on X number of calories if you don't keep as active as you once were you will put on weight. If you eat less than you burn (at any age) you will lose weight. "Wasting" is often a complication as patients age as their appetite diminishes and they cannot maintain a healthy body weight.

[@GrgAProduction]

@@whereruaaron​​⁠but you are assuming he is just like the typical statistics of the average pleb that does not exercise. It’s very easy to maintain both Testosterone and Muscle mass with age. I know plenty of 50-60y olds with splendid (free) Testosterone, low SHBG and great muscle mass with low visceral fat. Keeping those endocrine disruptors from environment, sleep (hygiene) on point, lift heavy, daily eat 200g+ quality proteins, avoid foods ruining hormonal panel and shooting up Estrogen high (grains and dairy).. stupid easy to upkeep a great body.

[@doctormarazanvose4373]

@@GrgAProduction "stupidly easy" - your thyroid gland says hold my beer.

[@whereruaaron]

@@GrgAProduction So what is your argument...you either didn't read my reply clearly or are arguing the same thing I am

[@kinggrimm4338]

Calories dont exist on a carnivore diet, the human body doesnt chase calories, it chases nutrients. Anyone promoting calory restruction doesnt know proper nutrition. Within fatty red meat contains everything you need in the portions you need them, and your body will let you know when to stop eating to prevent over feeding. Case closed. You want a real doctor go listen to Ken Berry, Shawn Baker, Anthony Chaffee.

[@lizafitzsimmons4623]

I love the suggestions he makes for being well. Sleep, eat well, exercise vigorously, and manage psychological stress. Very simple things, but also take a lot of effort to do consistently! There is no secret for doing well.

[@MCellation]

I feel like a condensed version of this talk should be mandatory in school or well for every adult too tbh

[@kimdecker8901]

Was sad to hear this podcast end. Coulda listened for two more hours. People need to hear this stuff! Thank you both, Drs. Mike and Layne!

[@John11620]

Hello 👋 how are you feeling today hope you’re having 🌹 a wonderful day?

[@srivishnuthatha6623]

not even kidding this podcast is a dream come true, so so so happy to see dr layne here. truly. Dr Layne, and Doctor Mike, thank you so much for everything.

[@hurainsahar]

Love tuning in to your videos, Dr. Mike! Always learning something new and useful. Thanks for keeping it real🙌😊

[@SsRr79]

Thank you so much for doing this collab. What a duo! 🙌 I've been following Layne Norton and you Dr Mike for years . Thank you both for it 🫶

[@ConnieDunnangels2789]

This conversation is so vital and nourishing. Thank you so much to both of you for opening the floor and having honest, open-ended discussion on our health and fitness. Do more of this please! ❤❤❤

[@Mortalkindofman]

Finally got Layne on!!!!! Perfect.

[@sxhrgvs]

Layne is awesome. Great conversation. I hope this reaches a lot of people.

[@faizankazi99]

This was so fun to watch. I really admire y'all two and always learn a thing or two from the videos y'all post. Yall have definitely been an influencing factor in my decision to pursue medical school

[@cindykurneck]

This was fabulous! I really needed to watch this - I've been going down rabbit holes and trying to do everything I can for my health - when what I need to do is continue a health diet, continue going to the gym, and relax about the rest. Thank you! ❤❤❤

[@Levskar1312]

I really hope this video is seen by everyone who is interested in anything regarding healthy lifestyle in youtube/podcasts. Started watching Dr Mike few days ago - thank you for opening my eyes. Really needed that confirmation from such experts as both of you. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for helping a young person who is struggling atm. I really hope for the greatest of success for both of you. Literally have goosebumps as I'm writing this. Thank you again!

[@SharkinHeels]

Thank you for keeping it real on your channel, you’re really helping everyone❤

[@taliahunt3213]

This was such a wonderful discussion. The garbage I see on social media makes me scream inside, and I have friends who get sucked into the exact garbage that you are pointing out. I feel like a skeptic about everything, to the point where I’m overly negative. But with the huge amount of misinformation out there, I feel like it’s necessary. The constant feeling of banging my head against a wall and frustration at the content you’re discussing makes me feel like I’m drowning! Does anyone else feel like that these days? Thank you so much for this video

[@AdrianWells]

Really enjoyed this episode. Been following you both for a while now so great to see a conversation between you.

[@theraven3554]

I was just looking up info on how to change my diet and losing some weight. Cant wait to see this video all the way through!

[@DDHS_Podcast]

Hi Dr. Mike, thanks for this amazing podcast episode with Dr. Layne Norton. Yes, it is a huge problem for us scientists to come out as experts, since we are not so confident because there are so many parameters to consider. I am always trying my best not to put out any misinformation or wrong interpretation, which makes it hard for outsiders to understand what I want to bring across. Thanks a lot for making aware of this and clarifying things!!! Keep this great work up and thanks again! Looking forward for the next episode!

[@pomegranatesyndicate8139]

It's nice to hear some people on the internet trying to get to the bottom of things rather than asserting they already know, thanks guys!

[@jitendradhaka1624]

Very well spoken. I appreciate such podcasts from Dr. Mike. Well done.🎉🎉🎉

[@Ki-KisWorld]

Every time I watch your podcast, I always learn SO MUCH

[@OliviaParker175]

I am quite underweight for my age and people keep on telling me that I have to eat. But recently I saw a person who is the same age, eats lesser than me and is healthier. Even after looking through her diet, people kept on blaming me for my weight. That's why, Thank you for making this video. It really helps❤

[@GitanjalikGoswami]

Thank you dr. mike😊for the video

[@donalclarke]

Hey Olivia, yes it's fair to say you can't manufacture an appetite just to please people. If you do want to change your body I would say do regular exercise, and as seems to be all the flavour these years, start resistance training. You would need to take in more protein to avoid muscle pain and fatigue then but your body might increase your appetite to encourage you to do this. Not necessarily though. Wish you well.

[@nrico6666]

That's not it. Underweight is not healthy. I was also underweight several years ago even though i eat slightly more than everyone else my age. The reason is simply because I have a higher base metabolic rate compared to other people, back then I simply eat more even though it didnt feel that good at first and now I'm at a healthy weight. Everyone's body is different and somtimes we need to eat more/less than other people even though they are at same weight as us

[@OliviaParker175]

@@donalclarke Thanks!

[@OliviaParker175]

@@nrico6666 I agree

[@IamZeus1100]

This is honestly the most informative video I’ve seen in years . I’ve been a fan of Layne for years and he’s always been a plethora of knowledge . Thank you so much Dr Mike for having such an amazing platform to share such invaluable information. You two are fantastic and a constant beacon of clarity against a storm of misinformation. Your work is greatly appreciated

[@millacabral9475]

Wow, I'm only on the first 3rd of this interview but I love the way this guy communicates! He's so approachable and easy to listen to but he's clearly extremely knowledgeable and, most importantly, careful with what he says and how it gets interpreted. It's just really nice and refreshing as a conversation between two people with a strong scientific background. Oh and I absolutely love how passionately and positively he talks about his graduate education and the valuable lessons he learned through that.

[@mai9355]

Thank you for this interview Mike ♥️ Highly appreciated ♥️

[@pr0gr4m3dd]

I love how he says no one's doing ice baths or meditations as I do both almost every day and just got out of the ice bath

[@TC-by3il]

Brilliant interview, enjoyed it tremendously. The part about how mechanisms can be misconstrued, that Layne often talks about, is so important. We need more of this, and both these guys are doing such a great job of promoting healthy scepticism. Hopefully Dr. Mike continues to use his platform to educate about this stuff.

[@thatsneet4296]

Having following Dr Mike for years and Biolayne for much longer, I love this collaboration. Thank you both!

[@catbert7]

32:47: Bingo. People cannot judge what they don't understand, yet we still do. And people are naturally swayed by confidence/definitives, rather than by admitting uncertainty.

[@starfishgurl1984]

As someone who thoroughly enjoyed taking statistics and sociology classes at my local university I absolutely love this video! I’ve always been one of those people who’s actually turned off by something being on an infomercial just because of all of the claims they make and instead will buy something based off of its reputation or practicality because I trust that more. I also hate when people use percentages as a way to make claims without the supporting evidence to show what those percentages are actually based on because 80% of 5,000 is very different than 80% of 50. Amazing video! I could listen to you two talk for hours, incredibly entertaining!

[@timothyorange1608]

This is one of the best podcast episodes I have ever watched. Thank you both so much for the incredible insights.

[@oanapaska1728]

This is by far my favorite podcast in long time. Thank you for the opportunity to discover Layne Norton and less frustrated and helpless when I get people's reactions at my "depends".

[@tamicoil7069]

I've been waiting for this since Layne mentioned it in one of his videos! Love him!

[@janemlenar6632]

Thank you! Thank you for approaching this topic with the idea that every body is different and there isn't a magic answer for all...without shaming or blaming...as a person who has been all over the place with weight, I appreciate the vibe and have hope that I'll get to where I want to be. Thanks Dr Mike (and Layne)!

[@John11620]

Hello 👋 how are you feeling today hope you're having a wonderful day 💕?

[@MathiasMartinWR]

What species on this planet is so vastly different from individual to individual as to require completely different diets.

[@Macgee826]

​@@MathiasMartinWRnone ,good point!!

[@Harry-yb2wh]

I love Dr Mike and I love Layne, this is probably hype me up for the whole month of February 😄!! Thank you!!!

[@farmerz97]

Great conversation! Sometimes, we as viewers get so excited when someone seems to have the answers to our ailments. We ignore common sense. Or we don't question the validity of what they are saying. That's why what you guys do is needed. ❤

[@Ariel_Waters]

I think the major problem is everyone wants a simple fix, aside from a lifestyle change. That, and science functions as "beliefs are true until disproven consistently" and it's much more comforting to say, "this is true now and forever." You two have hit the nail on the head for two hours here - Very interesting and engaging!

[@larisakarpeeva6987]

Thank you very much Dr. Mike! I love you!❤️

[@Hermetic7]

This has got to be the most informative, balanced, and common sense podcast discussion on nutrition that exists! Thank you! I have a lot of respect for both of you and the information you shared is pure gold.

[@frontsquatsandfrenchbulldo3020]

THIS PODCAST WAS 🔥. Thank you Dr. Mike for introducing me to Layne Norton. This was a mental reset for me and enjoyed the content. I am forwarding this video to everyone I love who NEEDS a little "reset" perspective from two people I think were very objective. THANK YOU!

[@python2400]

I cant wait to watch this. Love Layne and Mike's content!

[@chelseyblue-sneed4878]

Absolutely agree here. Personal responsibility is vital in behavior modification. It’s accepting “what is”. Then, change is made.

[@AnarchoPurp]

This is great advice on an individual level, but it's fairly useless in terms of the macro. People as a whole are swimming upstream because of incentive structures. Yes, we can all just choose to stop watching short-form content that wastes our time… sort of. Every individual can make that choice. But the reality is that most people won’t, since these content algorithms are designed to maximize attention capture. Tiktok and KZbin are taking advantage of natural characteristics of our minds to make profit. Telling everyone to stop watching them isn’t going to do anything. Shifting the incentive structures away from the profit incentive is the only way to solve this problem in general.

[@urbaniv]

I love Layne's work. Great to see you two having a great discussion

[@aechawk]

Thank you!!! I have felt that I know what to do, but actually doing it has been so difficult for me. Thank you for saying that it is difficult, that helps me a lot.

[@mdtronin]

This was absolutely eye opening on my own personal biases i have on diet and nutrition. Thank you Layne Norton and Dr.Mike! You should see if you can get Dr. Mike Isratel on the podcast. It would be the Dr. Mike v.s. Dr.Mike two of my favorite doctors on KZbin. 🤣

[@ThomasAT86]

WOOOOO Dr. Mike and Layne Norton, PhD!! Awesome!

[@bpalmer985]

Layne is a guy that has helped me SO much over the years with just thinking more objectively. I loved this chat

[@amandabousheley3189]

I adore Layne ❤ always happy to see him on other channels i love!

[@John11620]

Hello 👋 how are you feeling today hope you're having a wonderful day 💕?

[@mukund43]

Great conversation. Chris Van Tulleken goes into how food industry incentives encourages more consumption. Would be a really good guest for future episodes!

[@Mo95793]

One of the best podcast I've ever had the pleasure of hearing. I was already a big fan of you too, now it's off the charts

[@VeronicaGarcia-hf7jb]

Listening to this for the second time since the insomnia is in full swing. Such a good episode!

[@tamarasurnina_renovation]

I just want to say a huge THANK YOU to both of you for this amazing podcast! Can't remember the last time i saw one, where i said:YES YES EXACTLY! to every point! Such a great addition to my personal knowledge box as a nutritionist working with people and trying to reach through the same do not harm but explain approach! 🙏 When Dr. Mike said he's heart rate went up i realised the same😁 I guess that's what happens when you feel the passion about what you do and share it🙌

[@John11620]

Hello 👋 how are you feeling today hope you're having a wonderful day 💕?

[@caitieeeee]

a big problem is a lack of media literacy and critical thinking on a massive scale. it is not like that wild to think that those of us without medical training or formal education in something may not understand any given topic, but it is extremely important for podcasters or anyone who is platforming misinformation to fact check and correct in real time or at the very least make edits so that audiences understand that something is misinformation.

[@rajuabegum2193]

Omg finally someone who pinpoints the actuall issue's Love you,love you Layne. Thankyou dr Mike for inviting Layne. He is spot on.

[@elizabethgarces]

The best conversation I have listened in months. So good you talk about this

[@1GMitzy]

Much respect to both of them for promoting critical thinging, skepticism and rationalization! Very important qualities that society lacks these days...

[@fizzimajig]

I love Layne, have followed him for years and a lot of his content has helped me to lose 100lbs and keep it off for years. I’m happy to see him getting a broader platform to share the sanity!

[@saraloukili7097]

This has been a great interview. Having conversations like these is what we need to have more out there and not just villainizing food groups because in excess they are not good for us! Anything in excess is not good. Thanks.

[@daniellelblackwell]

Thankyou for this sensible conversation. What a breathe of fresh air on You Tube. Your conversation has decreased my anxiety about choosing the right rigid diet. I know now that I can eat healthy whole foods, lower carb with regular exercise and everything will be okay!

[@thomasmitchell6609]

This conversation reinforces my bias toward observing carefully and keeping an open mind.🙃

[@d-padqueen1103]

So many factors contributing to this, not just cheap tasty food - but there are links with air pollution, economy structure (a lot of people find stuff like bowling etc expensive, not everywhere has facilities and when they do not everyone can afford them) I think we can all agree that the behavioural issues start with a young age - we've probably all experienced the kids that get encouraged to go play outside, enroll in sports activities - and then there's the parents that either can't afford to support good behaviours or just tell their kids to sit down and shut up all the time, plonk their kids in front of the tv with junk food after a day in school where they've sat at a desk all day. Then when sports start being competitive, a lot of kids just think "I'm not good at this" and back away. That's IF they have access to things like parks, playgrounds and sports centres, a lot of places don't. Sometimes even when they do, there's high calorie snack/drink machines everywhere shoved in their faces, parks often have shops with things like cake, biscuits (cookies for USA) and ice cream. And all the time, it's pointed at people with obesity that they have "no willpower" and "fat shaming is justified". Nobody is taught what adequate food or exercise is, what you should do if you become obese - just get told "lose weight" when exercise makes you feel ill and sore, there's absolutely nothing to encourage weight loss.

[@jasonholtzman3120]

The powers that be will not encourage you to lose weight instead they promote it and try to keep you buying there highly processed garbage then u are obese and riddled with issues and big pharma comes in to give you drugs that you are supposed to be on for life they want you fat and sick

[@EllieManda]

One of THE best podcasts on health out there❤ I have been wanting to hear such reasonable voices discuss. I find all these minute warnings and health scares overwhelming and it is so reassuring to remember the main things that help us we know, there is consensus about them and for the rest we should just deal with the fact that we are mortals, we are finite and no amount of ice baths is going to change that. I think a lot of the issue is not just with people wanting to make money off of fear but also a struggle to accept disease and death as part of life. We will not be able to remove everything that harms us or reach the perfect lifestyle

[@ADHD_PLUS]

I can not find the words to properly convey my feelings about this conversation. It makes me so happy! ❤ I find the wisdom intertwined with knowledge and science to be intellectually stimulating. I love the exploration of ideas along with possible solutions in a relaxed but professional way. This video feeds my inherent need for intelligent conversations. 😁

[@FernandoLovesPizza]

Happy to watch this. I like the common sense of both guys.

[@MyMEDFITNESS]

Layne is a leader at dispelling harmful health advice. Keep up the great work Layne!

[@mcmoonbee77]

Such an excellent interview! Thank you for putting this out into the world.

[@Lunarplex]

Phenomenal conversation. We need more like this in the world. You both are such important voice in scientific skepticism, health and medicine.

[@Paulsmuse]

I’ve maintained a 140 lb weight loss for 17 years after gastric bypass. I am not ashamed and have taken my journey very seriously. I was not lazy and made this choice after Having Hashimoto’s hypothyroidism, FMSCFS & ‘female issues’ & losing weight wasn’t happening. With Roux-en Y, I still put in the work, but finally had a tool. I’m a unicorn 🦄 😃 I do wonder though why we never hear about SIBO … everyone battling IBS should be tested for SIBO. It’s rough 🤢😵‍💫 Thanks for sharing! 💕

[@lauraabeysinghe9321]

My sister recently had this surgery. She was morbidly obese for decades. She's 56 and now living her best life! She's confident and steadfast in keeping her weight off. She carries around food that is now helpful in keeping her on track. Our family keeps food around that healthy for all of now! Some people may say this was a cop out, but I say it was a jump start! She's now off most of the medications that she was on! She moves and lives life! I'm grateful that I get enjoy many more years for her! Thanks for sharing! ❤

[@Laura-je2uw]

But isnt the gastric bypass the proof that you can indeed loose weight through CICO? If the thyroid and other issues would have stopped you from loosing weight than the bypass should not have made a difference?

[@rebeccayoshida6984]

This is an amazing podcast. As a dietitian I find I am constantly having to educate people on very large claims such as oils are so bad for you, Keto is the only way to lose weight, certain ingredients cause XYZ, which is often found in mass media. I love how you explain why people come to those conclusions and breaking it down so individuals can understand the flaws in these thought processes. Also by identifying that there is soooo much misinformation and giving the general population steps on how to identify bogus. I think it is very tough for people to decipher through all the information out there so I don’t blame them, however I find a lot of people don’t understand the harm their big claims can have when they blindly share their opinions to others and label it as the truth or what the next person should be doing.

[@baurochs2283]

As someone who used to be a trainer and went to uni for biochem for nutrition, people just listen to their favorite idols and not their bodies, much less a nutritional standpoint, the whole anti carb is bs when its all i pretty much can eat due to GI issues

[@brandonstroud4665]

It’s great to see Layne Norton on your podcast. Love both of y’all’s content, keep up the great work!

[@brendamclean8447]

This was so interesting and informative. I learned so much and I really enjoyed this interview and conversation. Wow, I feel totally enlightened. Thanks Doctors❤

[@ginnyjollykidd]

Mr. Norton makes some great points about trying to find the best information. Also how to identify the experts, especially when he says you must weigh each piece of information. And "You can't turn your brain off" even when listening to a researcher from Harvard. (Let's include John Hopkins and Mayo Clinic, too-and really any other science outlet.)

[@Cslacey997]

This is a fantastic podcast. Thank you! @doctormike I have had a family member commenting that my need to adjust my plate ratio from carbs to more protein even though I had a really healthy plate of two eggs and mashed sweet potato. It just feels insane the way people are getting from these polarising "experts" brain washing people into carnivore etc Really good to hear this conversation 👌

[@amyfu2047]

Do you know how many people who try and stick to the carnivore diet end up healing lifelong problems and getting off medications?? Not to mention losing weight and building muscle. Carnivore isn’t something someone goes to lightly. It’s often the choice made when they are at the end of their rope and feel like they’re being failed by their doctors. Don’t knock what you’ve never tried.

[@paulalima5187]

@@amyfu2047completely agree!

[@Macgee826]

​@@amyfu2047I'm not carnivore myself but I completely agree also .

[@coldhardcut]

An amazing podcast! Best I've seen in a long time, I love the focus on psychology, the impacts of stress and the behavioural impacts on health and welbeing! :)

[@janicz87]

I really needed to hear this. I was so confused with all the info from health podcasts. Thank you so much 🙏

[@justincollins2804]

Layne is amazing, I'm really looking forward to this one!

[@inallthechaos2774]

Layne seems like a nice and well meaning guy, but I don't think he has enough faith in audiences, and the problem with his suggestion that people should be skeptical of people that are marketing a program or are sponsored by a product is that's EVERYONE anymore. Dr. Mike's Academy, Dr. K's coaching, Layne's seminars... like, I get it, people need to make a living, everything can't be a charity, but the days where we can look at someone and say, "Oh, sus, he's just promoting his book or his course" are over. That's literally everybody.

[@DarkBlueNutrition]

PS - this is the only podcast I've ever taken notes listening to. So many amazing points from both of you! 🙌 Appreciate your insight on these topics.

[@thewellbeingagent5209]

Thanks for this video…it was insightful…Keep up the good work! it’s good for coaches to keep on top of their work and understand the fine lines between what falls writhing their scope of work and the practicalities.

[@sbsnate2312]

OMG YES!! My 2 favorite health related youtubers!