Confronting Dr. Gundry On Lectins | Inflammation & Leaky Gut

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00:00 Intro
02:02 Smoking / Blue Zones
17:50 Dr. Gundry's Studies / The Data
37:07 Lyon Heart Study / Autoimmune Disease
45:40 Gut Microbiome
53:30 Are Fruits Unhealthy?
1:05:07 Specific Claims
1:27:27 My Problem With The System
1:31:43 "I Can Eliminate All Disease"
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[@scoutdias4160]

You can just tell how much Dr. Mike disagrees, yet he still remains super polite. Props to him for having that much self control.

[@Hauajnrhdj]

So true, I would've thrown hands😂

[@kostasmira2933]

Yeah it's very very difficult to do something like that. It needs a lot and lot of practice to perfection this.

[@lechatbotte.]

Amen to that. Guidry is one step above Oz sorry but he is. But people are gullible believing anything. This guy is making huge dollars off this. The sad thing is this man is convinced he’s right but there are studies proving him wrong. Vitamin C is water soluble it’s excreted when we have too much take enough all you’ll get is diarrhea. Gun dry cherry picks. They’re not predisposed genetically to develop those diseases. Half science isn’t science

[@SkydivingSquid]

I like to believe this is what happens when highly intelligent and mature professions hold a discussion. No one takes things personally. They just discuss. Challenging ideas is so important. The problem is, so many people, at least now, take being challenged as attacked.

[@Shori5]

Except at the end. He started getting a bit snarky there. I do not blame him though, it is actually quite impressive how long it took him to get there. I would've lost it in the first 30 min probably

[@chaseschroeder5252]

I would love Dr. Grundy as my lawyer. Dude will manipulate so much info in his favor and not back down. Honestly it’s impressive.

[@rappercentral703]

He’s not wrong in a lot of his points. It’s just that the risk of confusion among the general public on what to eat greatly outweighs the advice he’s trying to give. In a lot of cases, both sides in various parts of the video (not all) present viable solutions for you and when contextualized can be a benefit to you!

[@oguzisk9204]

​@@rappercentral703he is mostly wrong

[@laser8389]

@@rappercentral703 The points he's not wrong about are still so blown out of proportion or so nichely applicable, according to the data cited by the other two competent doctors who aren't out to make money off their fad diet books, as to be practically useless.

[@wittyoak9027]

@@rappercentral703 Saying he's not wrong is a lot of his points is similar to me saying "You can not die of heart disease if you shoot yourself in the head". This statement is very true, but the implication that I am trying to make is not correct.

[@jjpswfc]

​@@wittyoak9027Yeah, I'm a statistician (sort of, I'm doing my masters in it) and I think if I wrote half of the type of thing he said in a paper I'd get failed on it for misrepresenting the facts

[@joelizcorrea2128]

Honestly I have so much respect for the woman in this video, Dr. Danielle Belardo. She seems like an expert on this subject and practically every sentence she utters has evidence to back her up. I wish she was getting more appreciation in these comments just because of the absolute class and professionalism she displays. I wish the video gave her more credit as well. Her name is not even in the title yet in my opinion she carried the entire discussion.

[@truenorthwestacademy007]

Dr. Belardo. I enjoyed your contributions, intelligence and delivery. 💯❤️from 🇨🇦

[@higherresolution4490]

Appearances can be deceiving. Take a moment and investigate from what sources she receives her funding for research. I worked on a UC medical school campus I know the system inside and out. Her ignorance on some subjects discussed are startling. She's just another apologist for big Pharma and big medicine. When it comes to smoking, neither she nor Gundry understand the principle involved that makes one safe and the other pernicious: how tobacco leaves are cured and how lung cancer and coronary heart disease are the primary effects of the modern process using fungi (yeast + sugar).

[@amianderson8866]

Mad respect Doc Daniel.

[@antoinebrg6299]

a little too much scholar for my taste, sometimes you need to trangress guidelines to learn new things, we need punks like Gundry too

[@AlPro-cb2ei]

well can you produce evidence we're not apes 56:40? 😆

[@jacobmackinnon2895]

"That's called authority bias." She said it so calmly and casually! I LOVE HER!!

[@blockbusstar]

The whole podcast in a nutshell Dr Gundry: Fruits are bad Dr Mike: but they contain so many nutrients Dr Gundry: yes that’s why they are healthy Dr mike: but you said they are horrible Dr Gundry: yes, I treat people in my clinic

[@zzz_zzz_ZZZ_zzz_ZZZ_ZZZ_Z_z-ZZ]

Gundry keeps talking in circles...

[@stefanallard3084]

Dosent he mean that those are nightshades? Wich are extremly inflammatory. I get brainfog n fatigue by eating it for just a few days. Obviously arent Mike educates enough w just being 30 years old or whatever he is

[@stefanallard3084]

​@@zzz_zzz_ZZZ_zzz_ZZZ_ZZZ_Z_z-ZZ your iq is to low to understand, he talks and explain it simple enough for even young Mike to understand

[@AyMTor]

Dr. Gundry makes me wish cancel culture was real. This man is an idiot. "Don't worry you won't die of heart disease, lung cancer on the other hand..." 👀🤣

[@mariaespiritu9512]

😂😂 yep, agree with this summary; props to Dr. Mike for staying civil and calm

[@Medcram]

Nicotine is not nicotinic acid.

[@jkmiah33]

[@xawesome1992x]

That part definitely has me pretty confused! I wish he would have told us how the effects of nicotine and b3 are related. I dont understand how he got from nicotine pouches to nicotinic acid. And then we never got an answer😢

[@arvebang]

Who said it was?

[@TrendyReality101]

Nobody said it was

[@frozenpine1781]

Yeah this doctor has clearly never been an avid smoker, the difference CAN be felt. How this old man even calls himself a doctor is crazy

[@polabrown2023]

This women is incedible. I wanna be like her one day. Super smart, helpful and even when Dr. Gundry mocked her by imitating stutter noises she just ignored it and continued. Idol. Dr. Mike you amazing too, just the first time i see this woman and im incredibly motivated and impressed. Thank you, great video!

[@chip4039]

She was still very polite to him

[@ihartsacto]

If you put her in a fat homely shell you would not admire her so much. Her capacity for abstract reasoning is stunted by her adherence to her guidelines.

[@johnmachter40]

@39:26 its clear that he didn't "imitate" stutter noises but he tried to funnily disrupt her by those "but" noises. It was funny. Loose up a little and don't be a karen about it geez...

[@shadeofape2470]

@@johnmachter40I know right?

[@polabrown2023]

@johnmachter40 Oh, you are so right. Next time my boss or colleague is explaining something important to me, let me playfully disrupt them with those noises its gonna be hilarious! (Professionally, this "fun" disruption is impolite. You gotta work on your soft skills if you think otherwise.)

[@OsorioT]

Ok, OMG now smoking is good! A lot of respect for both of you. To be able to talk with a person saying those things and not overreact is amazing.

[@jordanmcneely95]

When she said “I actually looked up your publications and didn’t find anything except an abstract,” dawg I lost it 😂😂

[@excelagangan9231]

Fr😂

[@kristiansandsmark2048]

I think it is worrying that they all say that jews are a problem.

[@tengahhidup]

Timestamp?

[@corinbvvvc]

@@tengahhidup It’s before the 20 minute mark in the 2nd large section of the video

[@willpower6720]

Numb nuts. He’s not a researcher. Try to keep up.

[@brycewalburn3926]

Dr. Mike: "Anecdotes are not sufficient evidence" Dr. Gundry: "Well, let me give you an example..." Rinse and repeat 100000x

[@Ribcut]

All evidence is anecdotal. You're relying on people who conduct studies to document their findings, and trusting they are adjusting appropriate variables without a vested interest. I'm not defending Gundry, but this entire dismissal of anecdotal (the first and most basic form of science) is nearly as ignorant as the people who ignore studies.

[@jace.alexander.almalki]

​@@Ribcutno not all evidence are anecdotes, that's simply a falso statement

[@scottm2553]

Dr. Mike pokes a hole, Dr. Gundry moves onto something else... I'm not a doctor but I'm like woah.

[@brycewalburn3926]

@@Ribcut You missed Dr. Mike's point entirely.

[@imoeazy]

​@@Ribcut if you cant tell the real intentions of each doctor then no evidence will help you understand what's best for you

[@williamdunleavy5970]

Gotta give Dr Gundry credit for freely walking into the lions den. 🤣

[@caitlinmaenot]

I cannot tell you how thankful I am for this episode. I read his book without knowing any of the controversy and I feel quite embarrassed that I didn’t think about it more critically. I live a pretty healthy lifestyle but after reading his book I dropped my fruit intake by over half and stopped eating beans + legumes as often because he drove the ‘lectins are awful for you’ message so hard and I was scared I was causing harm to my body. I’m so happy to bring those back into my diet again, I especially missed fruit a lot. Thank you again!

[@jeffer2350]

You are blaming him for your own inability to use logic. If you pressure cook beans the harm is gone. If you ferment beans the harm is gone. How you handle your own diet is not Gundry's fault. He delivered the information. You must figure out what steps you take to reduce the bad food intake to some better level on your own. He can't do that for you. The truth is in poison hotlines (Google it). Under-cook your beans and the lectins will be even more active and prove that Gundry does speak in truth.

[@andreaalbuquerque7567]

I think he makes many good points. I wouldn't dismiss him that easily.

[@amianderson8866]

Hey, you don't know what you don't know. I think we good because... We are not medical doctors (well, I'm not) and we have to rely on our judgement of how informed they are. They don't have all the answers either, no matter how reasonable, thoughtful, and informed their brain is; so right off the bat it's gonna be hard to find the answers. I think we're doing great because we are searching for answers by watching this medical video. Lots of obstacles. My mom still loves gundry, but like you, I think he's a book-selling, unethical quack who will never change their mind no matter what they might of been able to learn. He has another book coming out after all, and he wants more $. Thanks for writing what you wrote.

[@AlPro-cb2ei]

Well you might wanna do an about face again cuz lectins have mostly nothing to do with fruits

[@jeffer2350]

@@amianderson8866 Its hilarious for you to view Gundry as someone who just wants more money off his books considering that Doctor Mike likely makes far more money off of what he is doing here on KZbin. It is also far more likely that doctors and dieticians who disagree with Gundry are also paid off by the big food companies and pharmaceutical manufacturers since he clearly goes against the grain versus their big dollars. I don't follow Gundry's rules completely only because it is impossible due to stores and restaurants not making the right foods available to do it. But I think he is far more accurate than the majority. I have been able to prove it through my own change of habits even without fully following his yes/no food list.

[@Jayeeyee]

Can confirm this works. I've been eating cigarettes, smoking cheese, and inhaling fermented beans all my life and I am currently over 200 years old.

[@dtgris7291]

“Say it out loud” “Vampire”

[@eschelar]

Dammit, I've been doing it wrong. I've been drinking cigarettes, injecting cheese and using fermented bean patches. I'm 3 years old and I look 200.

[@Tru.Creations]

😂😂😂😂 Winning comment 🎉

[@SlackerU]

*hit over 200lbs years ago. jkjk

[@DebEDee]

Bwaaahahaha! LMAO

[@daniellima4391]

It's impossible to argue against someone who straight up ignores your argument and refuses to acknowledge what you're saying

[@Slytherin_101]

True. It’s the most annoying thing ever when they don’t acknowledge what your saying and just blow it off as BS. I side, thoroughly, with Dr. Mike.

[@Djbigmark14]

That’s most political discussions😂🔥

[@IsaacSchultz]

Who was doing that? All of them?

[@Slyfox1775]

That’s because he gets rich off of convincing people who follow him and pay for his knowledge . No different that preachers on the left or right of politics.. they preach to the ears that pay them .

[@jamespetehoisington2459]

I totally agree. But I still agree with gundry. They won’t ever agree

[@PinayNanayNurse]

We need more of healthy medical discussions like this. Kudos to Dr. Mike for his polite and calm demeanor. Dr Belardo is smart and very professional. Dr Gundry is something else… his theories might be interesting, but truly needs to be backed up with evidence-based research.

[@EllieManda]

It’s so nice to see this! Usually this stuff lives in different worlds and bubbles, we need more conversations like these! Also, please someone give an award to these two for patience!

[@melaniehubbard8983]

“There’s a really good correlation between ice cream sales and shark attacks as well” - Dr. Mike, summed up this discussion perfectly 😂 CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION

[@ALX65]

What a coincidence,in this very long interview,that scene played just as i read your comment lol

[@cloud_catus8500]

If anyone would like to see more random correlations, there is a paper out there listing random correlations (like cheese consumption and dicovorce rates). They show graphs that seem to have the same shape, but are completely disconnected from one another.

[@svenjahartwig535]

I love this 😂

[@BeeSweet16]

Unless there is A LOT of correlation

[@ucchi9829]

Correlation can mathematically equal causation :)

[@harudole]

Dr Gundry took "an apple a day keeps the doctor away" too personally

[@crystaldenee765]

😂😂😂

[@loudy838]

Brilliant 🎉

[@WavePotter]

I like your Zutomayo profile pic 😁

[@scottjones1109]

The good, worthy of eating apples Dr. Gundry is talking about are called antique apples. Old, usually smaller, often not so attractively colored varieties with lineages that can go back hundreds of years whose health benefits have not been hybridized out of them. There are commercial orchards all over the United States that specialize in growing these healthy & unique varieties for direct sale to the public. And too there are a number of nurseries here that provide antique apple trees for planting in your own yard, ones that produce the kind of healthy fruit Dr. Gundry recommends.

[@Lex_Reid]

I’ve heard for years that a healthy gut is the best thing a person can do. It seems that these doctors will only do something if there are studies and “scientific fact”. How about deducting what has changed between the American diet and the diet of hundreds or thousands of years ago.

[@courtneyradcliffe6967]

My son was failure to thrive…I stopped eating lectins while breast feeding and he stopped the bloody diarrhea and started gaining weight. This advice was given to me by a PhD nutritionist, maybe it’s from this guy.

[@mally6101]

Dr. Belardo is just wonderful to listen to. SO intelligent and well-spoken!

[@wendyg.]

Yes, I wish she still did her podcast.

[@Darthflips]

​@@deadprivacynah voice is fine.

[@tikibarry2279]

I fast forwarded just to hear her voice ! Jesus H Christ !!!! Did she smoke Lucky Strikes for 30 years ???

[@briggshunt4081]

"British doctors who smoke have a 30% less incidence of parkinsons..." "Yea because they die of 10 other diseases beforehand" 🤣🤣🤣

[@boistrashtaste9825]

Lol, I read this that exactly when they said it in the video.

[@dpachecomartins]

It’s called Survival Bias

[@StarNumbers]

There is one Doc who talks about his personal experiences when he applied his med cures. Overall he has great results and he talks about microbiome. Yep, no prescription drugs here.

[@willblack8575]

nicotine patches do actually help in multiple neurologic problems...wtf you on about?

[@uribashan6995]

@@willblack8575Yet we’re talking about smoking, which is incredibly unhealthy and arguably one of the worst lifestyle choices one can make.

[@brysonenoch6129]

The ultimate “trust me bro” I have ever seen

[@hackerkiller2131]

Not really, lots of theoretical hypotheses that would seem correct in theory, almost like communism.

[@drsexy2491]

So you think the lady arguing for eating round up weed killer is more trustworthy?

[@bagustsson4112]

@@drsexy2491 And rapeseed/canola oil?

[@KameraKiss]

trust him bro

[@rarespatru6082]

@@drsexy2491 where is she saying such a thing? She only states, from published research, that the presence of glyphosate or lack of it doesn't change the outcome of certain diseases, whereas Dr. Gundry states from anecdotal evidence that smoking is safe as long as you increase your vitamin C intake. Do you see the difference?

[@WB_B]

Dr. Grundy switched his statements sooooo many times 😂 props to all of them for staying calm

[@user-ie1bv1tu2s]

I agree

[@l1lium]

This persom is the best example for "correlation does not equal causation"

[@sealdoggydog]

-"We have bigger fish to fry than fruit being the enemy" -"Fried fish is bad for you." -"Now we're just comparing apples with oranges." -"Both apples and oranges are bad for you." -"But the research will have you eat your words!" -"Words are also bad for you."

[@letransformateur6477]

Thanks, I laughed at that!

[@iedasalles]

I also laughed 😅 so hard

[@BusterKitten]

I eat fish, oranges, and apples raw, not necessarily at the same time.

[@monaissakarim7569]

Hahahhahahahahahaha

[@bashingthrough]

This whole debate uncoupled my mitochondria.

[@starchaser6024]

Better start smoking

[@Naty_Sousa]

​@@starchaser6024😂

[@kimbonguno4741]

Smoke some Cigarettes and maybe some Meth before bed ~ probably Dr. Grundy

[@thejoshbailey]

L O L

[@itspartytime509]

Try meraki methylene blue. That will get your mitochondria back in shape!

[@krzysiek6300]

I'm 60 years old. After living in pain trough the most of my life I decided to try Dr. Gundry's diet. His elimination diet Including intermittent fasting changed my life.

[@DkDT-no9rf]

I tried his diet for a year and nothing changed. See why anecdotes aren’t good evidence? However, intermittent fasting does have some evidence to support it. So it’s possible that intermittent fasting was what had an effect rather than any other garbage you tried from Dr. Gaundry.

[@vickimatthis6527]

Yes. I agree

[@energysourcelove]

Say all you want but there was much to be learned here if one was willing to listen with an open mind. There need to be people pushing the envelope and shaking up a very taxed health care system. I agree with the critique of misinformation and think Gundry will take it to heart. The world needs more people who don’t agree having conversations.

[@JBreezyy7292]

As someone who lives in Japan, this dude saying that Okinawan people don't eat tofu or rice is one of the most laughable things I've ever heard 😂

[@gregorys9874]

nowadays yes but did they eat rice and tofu 40 years ago? genuine question

[@seoksootrash]

@@gregorys9874ofc yes…!!! especially rice 😭 in asia rice is a main food

[@gleebybooer]

@@gregorys9874yeah lmao

[@silviapintus6562]

Or him talking about us Sardinians. (I’m Sardinian). Bruhhhh we’re just gonna ignore everything

[@nikribble]

​@@silviapintus6562 i live in Costa Rica, the people in Nicoya are NOT sheep herders and sheep is NOT a part of any regular diet in Costa Rica lol

[@ChocLitBar]

When they say 9/10 doctors agree he’s that one that doesn’t agree 😂

[@Wooxy117]

Super underrated comment lol

[@ChocLitBar]

@@Wooxy117 😂😂😂😂

[@yvesjeaurond4937]

"Most sientists are bottle washers and button sorters." (R. A Heinlein through his fictitious character Lazarus Long). Gundry is a paradigm shifter on the avant-guard of nutrition research, with the backing of clinical success with thousands of patients. I doubt Mike can brag as much. Although he does brag about having millions of non-clinical laypersons following his communications expertise. Like a sophist (Mike) facing a Socrates (Gundry)

[@hazesummer8328]

​@@yvesjeaurond4937 you're on the side of the "underdog" regardless of his argument or actual work... He'll be another voice forgotten about another dietary fad... He's a surgeon, not a physician and neither a dietician... He doesn't know anything more than either does...

[@marvinwilliams7938]

Dr Gundry is very good at theory, the chick is basically just reiterating convention. But convention is poorly wrong these days, so why do people agree with the chick? Gundry sees the flaws in current convention, and using good logic and theory and an open mind finds a better solution to an existing problem. Listen to the speakers against Gundry. Gundry’s logic is not wrong, they can’t attack it, they only attack it because his methods go against conventional studies.

[@PeterMosertechmosesproductions]

I’ve got to say Dr Mike is one the science communicators around, this interview was professional, concise and constructive. I think it is a great example of treating people you disagree with respect, integrity and made the debate much more interesting. It’s always a pleasure to see a debate where the host represents the opponents argument well and then provides better evidence of why their own argument must be more true. If these statements are true the conclusion must follow. Well done Dr.

[@DrTomMD]

Something very important happens at 1:29:23 when Dr Mike asks Dr Gundry “what do you know that GI and Rheumatology docs don’t know?”. Gundry says “that all of this comes from intestinal permeability”. That’s essentially quackery. BUT, on the other end what most docs don’t know is nutrition and even if they do, they don’t have is time to spend to help patients with it. So odds are that Gundry IS helping improve (if not making perfect) their nutrition, and nutrition is powerful. I’ve seen huge reductions in inflammation esp when weight loss ensues. But if a patient with sensitivity to FODMAPS gets a plan that cuts back on their aggravator that’s causing GI symptoms, anxiety and overall sensitivity to their condition and it’s reduced but their told it’s because of reducing “GI permeability”, though it has little to nothing to do with it, then “I’m on an anti-gut permeability diet” is what they’ll megaphone to the world because guru Dr Gundry or Hyman said so - true or not. But at the end of the day, the patient feels better. And that’s good. The bad is when the arrogance of ignorance bleeds into the public sphere and Gundry starts blasting apples etc. A little knowledge is dangerous at work. But shame on the medical system for letting so many patients the likes of which see Gundry (and pay a lot to do so most likely) fall through the cracks.

[@prerecordedresponse9884]

Any Dr that tells me they miss "the good ol days" when talking about medical care scares the hell out of me.

[@rodneyjohnson8341]

Yeah, instead trust Quack Mike, take your Vaccines, pills, drink your fluoride and forget what humans used to eat. Good luck with that.

[@heinz57channel39]

You don’t want to use leaches to fix your toothache?

[@affiesamari7874]

​@@heinz57channel39😂

[@juliacatherine9394]

You have ghosts in your blood. Better do cocaine about it!

[@zen_tewmbs]

@@heinz57channel39”suck my blood, leach daddy 😩”

[@krystaperry288]

“Who’s overeating fruit??” I genuinely loved this debate.

[@kashkoncious2637]

Raw vegans 😭

[@Gawnfall]

You can over eat fruit, too much sugar/fructose is too much. Period.

[@ellobetchess]

Fruitarians. Vegans with binge eating disorder. People who love to feel physically full yet not satisfied at all and sh!t themselves to death after constant bloating. Today's fruit is not natural and is way more sweet thanks to men manipulating it. Its not good for you regardless of who pushes what.

[@snap.-_-]

​@@Gawnfallbut the majority of people can't get to that point without feeling sick from all the sugar

[@josephboustany4852]

​@@snap.-_- People are addicted to sugar It's in practically everything we eat Only problem is it's near impossible to grow your own vegetables and raise your own livestock

[@nadaypuesnada]

So heartening to see a good-hearted discussion/debate where evidence and reason are employed. Gives me hope...

[@lizadeeza]

One thing that I have a problem with regarding studies in general - is that the majorities are funded by special interests which are invested in particular outcomes. For instance the studies of organic vs. Non-organic foods having the same outcomes nutritonally, etc - I personally want to look at those studies and see who was funding those studies. If it was Monsanto - how the hell can we trust it? Often pharma or any company having their stuff tested will game the system by only publishing studies that have positive outcomes and suppress those that don't. Hence I see an over-reliance on studies which are often corrupted by special interests a bit naive.

[@heathermiller4757]

Bingo!

[@LukeTrepanier-um4rq]

that’s now how peer review works

[@ragegaze3482]

I can see where you are coming from for sure, in my opinion what matters ultimately is how the study was actually conducted though, not who was funding it. As long as the study methods seem reasonable I think who funded it wouldn't be an issue.

[@WittyFwog]

@lizadeeza…100 percent agree. Experts that actually care about humans say that about 50 percent of published studies are basically bullshit.

[@Yay-hovah]

@@ragegaze3482So do you honestly think a large pharmaceutical company would allow a study to be released if it hurt their bottom line?

[@aidenoffire1987]

As someone with a couple of autoimmune diseases, I am *so* glad Dr. Mike called him out for being a cardio doctor telling people to ignore RHEUMATOLOGISTS.

[@AngelaSealana]

Yes, this is worth repeating in a comment - my rheumatologist walks with me through what can be a really really frustrating journey.

[@meganchandler715]

This loser is incredibly ignorant. He should keep his mouth shut about autoimmune disease treatments.

[@UandMeDasame]

Have you tried the beef carnivore diet? Only salt and pepper, no sugar and carbs. Worked for me🤷‍♂️

[@MonkeyJedi99]

@@UandMeDasame Ah yes. The "Have you tried [single food] diet?" comment comes.

[@chasindigo]

The issue is you can get one good rheumatologist and 25 "bad" ones, which Dr Mike makes clear that the health system doesn't give doctors enough time to go through with every patient exactly what to do how to overcome their illness. Gundry "provides a solution" and like the individual is being listen to. That is main problem, doctors might have the answer (which might be correct) but they don't communicate it well enough for the individual to achieve success or patient misunderstands what is and isnt required of them. Gundry says some stuff that is off the cuff soundbites that are incredibly misleading but if you listen more closely and get to the crux of what he is saying, it is to eat a balanced Mediterranean diet (which is the same as what most cardiac doctors say as well).

[@pinayJayX]

This guy proofs, that it isn’t important what you say, but with how much confidence and great storytelling. He can sell everything as “proven”…

[@beyoutifulthatfasttravel7804]

Proves *^

[@guardianfish7718]

That's why education is a responsibility for everyone, can't just trust blindly

[@80Mollusc]

@@beyoutifulthatfasttravel7804 ironically, OP didn’t proof their comment 😂

[@hejhejaske]

@@80Molluscmaybe English isn’t their first language?

[@illkissyourightnow]

@@hejhejaske well, even if that’s the case now they have the ability to learn something new about the language they’re using :)

[@krswan72]

Dr. Gundry's pompous attitude coupled with his bullshit theories and a lack of actual evidence is insufferable. Mad props to you for having the patience to do this interview.

[@rhythmpreetkaur2654]

Great podcast, thank you Doctor Mike, I was a victim of these social media videos, and bought expensive groceries but end up eating processed food because i couldn’t match up with the BS. After this video I’m so relieved and educated with facts.

[@andrewbradley3305]

Just eat meat and veggies it’s not hard

[@aliyakhan3153]

I played “take a shot of a smoothie every time Dr. Mike’s nostrils flare” and I got fructose wasted.

[@cazzawazzadingdong5139]

😂 this is gold!

[@nmen4435]

Can’t believe u didn’t juice it, throw away the juice and only eat the pulp 😔😂

[@kimlucaborges8113]

Dr Gundry: Human bodies DONT produce Vitamin C 🧐 Dr Gundry 20s later: Olive Oil doubles our own vitamin C production 🥰

[@twentytwentyeight]

The frequency of gaslighting here is high enough Dr. Mike has to carefully curate which nonsense to challenge

[@jeremybardgett3850]

@@twentytwentyeightgood thing this genetlman only has some years left of spewing nonsense bullshit

[@subratanandy2142]

Only true carnivores ( like dogs , cats etc) can produce true vit C and lemons are poisonous to them. I wonder if they would produce more vit C after lapping up some oils .

[@Yo64130]

100%

[@trevorshingler2026]

I was thinking the same thing. Doubling zero still makes zero so what are you saying here. Lol

[@elliem.rr.ss.y13613]

What I found most compelling was Dr. Grundy vs Dr. Ballaro (sp?) style of speech. She broke down everything she was talking about into these very comprehensible, understandable to the layperson tidbits, while Dr. Grundy mentioned all of these different markers without explaining what they are or explaining why he doesn't like them. This is a classic example of people using big words to convince you that they're smart and get you to blindly believe them because you don't know what those words mean so that guy must really know a lot... there's also a lot of fear mongering here (very dangerous too). This episode really made me appreciate Dr. Ballaro and Dr. Mike's style of communication and the way that they make health a subject that is easier to understand IN COMPARISON to someone who won't explain to you these really big and obscure words and hopes that because you don't know them, you'll just do what he says.. this is from someone with a master's degree in public health. I should know a lot of these kinds of things and a lot of the words out of grundy's mouth made no sense to me ha!

[@iannawasser6247]

I love dr mike so much for doing this interview and standing firm in his stance.

[@SolarMillUSA]

Seriously impressed by the difficulty of this conversation but that everyone is able to remain civil and to the point. This is how discussions are supposed to work! Well done everyone

[@Mr25thfret]

Imagine a political conversation in January 2024, going like this.

[@kitefan1]

@@Mr25thfret Heaven.

[@DebEDee]

@@Mr25thfret It already happened lol. Imagine people just turning their cell phones off and doing something productive or fun lol. Yup. I think I will. And Ill enjoy what I do , whatever that may be because I feel so much better after following Dr. Grundys previous recommendations. Bye now.😄

[@Aurora_Animates]

@@Mr25thfrethave you seen British parliament? 😭 look it up compared to America it’s so funny

[@armisteadkira32]

Agreed and both sides are using data to back up their claims.

[@ambientassistant]

I love that they disagreed and hardly spoke over each other. The talk was respectful and it made it so much easier to follow the conversation.

[@drbrandonsantan]

Were you watching the same video as me? 😂😂😂 Mike and Danielle talked over Dr. Gundry the whole time. He couldn’t even hardly finish a sentence.

[@mesalouis8976]

@@drbrandonsantanYes, they sounded angry and were downright yelling at him, as if the doctor is the one causing obesity. 🤔

[@alonelychocolatebar1954]

​@@drbrandonsantanI only noticed they were doing that, after he interrupted them multiple times, and was being condescending.

[@thefutureofgardening5912]

Much respect to all three of the docs on this video. Calm demeanors, intelligent debates, and it made for a healthy experience. Thank you all!

[@razorsedge64ify]

Nah, Gundry was very dismissive, and infantile in alot of comment's. He is being so smug and arrogant despite his calm talking.

[@thefutureofgardening5912]

@@razorsedge64ify He does have a condescending demeanor to him, but I'm not 100% sure if that's just how he is, or if that's him holding a stance?

[@DkDT-no9rf]

@@razorsedge64ifyagreed

[@melanezoe]

This was a long slog. I was impressed with the professionalism of all three participants with a minimum of interruption. I’m currently a participant in a GI university research program (I’m Celiac and have severe IBSD) and feel it behooves me to do all I can to at least absorb all the vocabulary around the subject I can. Thanks. My grandmother taught me two things I live by: moderation in all things, and if you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all. Smart woman.

[@sophspice-zl7mn]

as someone who is struggling with an autoimmune condition, it is so incredibly exhausting hearing different doctors recommending different diets and claiming that it gets rid of the inflammation. at this point, i don´t even know what to eat, because everyone says something different!

[@amyrojas3298]

Same.

[@EvelynAdamsOfcl]

Maybe look into Dr Mindy Pelz and Dr Jason Fung. Their ideas on nutrition and fasting seem to work for many and the information is backed by numerous studies. Hope you find what works for you! Take care!

[@yl1487]

Yes. Because perhaps it is a little less about the food eaten than we think and much more about the lightwaves with which we interact than we think.

[@tigernotwoods914]

@@EvelynAdamsOfclDr. Fung and Dr. Berg are awesome.

[@juanwononeyuan]

there is no other alternative, the only way forward is to experiment.

[@rebeccalamora3266]

Dr. Mike has a the patience of a saint. This guy is talking in circles. He has potential to be a great politician.

[@syreetanolan5302]

Same…. I am 20 minutes in and I feel like he has gone in a million circles. I am going to have to speed this conversation up to try to get through this. He really REALLY needs to be a politician. 13:28 this is all I have made it to so far with my ADHD.

[@Gold_pickaxe]

@@syreetanolan5302you stopped watching 30 seconds after the woman started talking lmao

[@GreenMantis2007]

​@@bill_acum... Dr. Mike is still very much a practicing doctor.

[@angelmendez-rivera351]

@@bill_ac Why are you lying?

[@angelmendez-rivera351]

@@Gold_pickaxe That is baseless assertion. We call it "putting your head in your ass."

[@allisonsnz]

Thank you for this! Great follow up questions - thank you for keeping it real and backed up with research.

[@bajovic]

I personally would have completely condoned Dr. Mike standing up and back handing him Absolute god mode level patience on both their parts. If only the rest of society could learn and implement quality debates such as these

[@CF542]

"Sickness is good for business". That quote is at the core of the issues of health in our society.

[@86Raxor]

Yes and Dr Mike felt that deep within the soul when he heard that. That's why it went silent for awhile :D

[@gaspytheghost]

When is that said?

[@Fridelain]

Near the end @@gaspytheghost

[@XXC4.]

Drop the timeline? Ty

[@stupedcraig]

CEO's are required by law to make profits for their company because they have a fiduciary duty to shareholders. I'd say the issue reaches further than just health care.

[@DemiAisha]

Huge respect to Mike here. Probably going insane about all the things he says, but still trying to stay reasonable and calm

[@marcusramirez3436]

. Dr mike and valardo are pharma puppets.. drs for 25yrs combined.versus gundry 50yrs of being a dr.

[@jferreira2037]

Exactly. That’s because he’s a real scientist. Real scientists are pure, they have no party. They just look for the truth and nothing is more important than the truth. They don’t defend a position like in a competition. In fact they are not interested in competing at all. I‘m fascinated for pure scientific doctors like Dr. Mike.

[@rodneyjohnson8341]

@@jferreira2037 Mike is a garden variety doctor Dr Gundry is a heart surgeon. Mike is an out of his league KZbinr….

[@snowys7667]

Every time doctor Mike ask something the other guy just deflects by saying something even more crazy

[@HERMITBOY]

How’s he deflecting? He gives examples for most of Mikes skepticism.

[@xixas97]

I'm a physiotherapist in portugal and i can't tell you how many people i have treated with chronic pain issues that their expert doctors couldn't care less ou couldn't help because they just prescribe pharmaceuticals. Here is the issue for those of you that didn't understand Dr. Gundry The body works as a whole! We cant separate our organic systems like conventional medicine does. One example is leaky gut and autoimmune disease Leaky hut happens when you have damage to your gut lining and toxic or undesired substances (remember that everything goes to your digestive tract) enter your bloodstream Once in the bloodstream this toxic substances get to your other tissues like brain, joints, liver, e.t.c. This provokes an inflammatory cascade originating or agravating an autoimmune disease. There is not high evidence studies because human studies are really complex, but yes you do have lots of research on the matter😊

[@keithdavies6771]

I do love, as a carpenter that has followed scientific skepticism for decades, that I can break down Gundry's arguments. I don't have any medical background, but the grift is obvious to a Skeptic. Cheers for challenging this man.

[@carolinedill6836]

12:15 “a man hears what he wants to hear and discards the rest..” love how he says exactly what he’s preaching

[@HighTestBootStrap]

The modern Allen Keys. Cherry picking results from blue zones will always support any conclusion.

[@brianlewis8722]

I believe it was Paul Simon in the classic tune The Boxer, "A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest."

[@frankrosati6403]

Grundy is a non-smoker, who was educated to believe that smoking is an unmitigated evil and he saw that there are long-lived populations that are heavy smokers. How do you accuse him of being the one who "hears what he wants to hear"? That was exactly what he didn't want to hear. Apparently, you are discarding what you don't want to hear.

[@mrkz8986]

@@brianlewis8722Yeah, great song with great lyrics, it’s a shame that this guy is twisting its meaning like that

[@willpower6720]

But Gundry is right and the other two are wrong. Watch the video. Gundry is helping and curing his patients and Dr Mike is complaining that he can’t get them to stop eating candy bars Fr.

[@krystynarohde9005]

When he came out the gate saying actually you live longer if you smoke I was like alright. Let’s buckle our seatbelts this is gonna be wild.

[@phobos258]

We said smoking is what keeps them alive longer I almost fell out of my chair.

[@MrPhilSpinelli]

To me it sounded like he said nicotine might be useful in small dosages, Not the smoke, and we know the cigarette companies added chemicals to the tobacco. He Never said he recommended people to smoke. I also believe small amounts of nicotine can be beneficial

[@astrozoo]

If you have the right diet

[@ADSd-kh2th]

Dr. Balardo is so incredibly poised, intelligent, and professional. Hats off!

[@erinpatterson9543]

Dr Mike, I love the way you approach tough issues

[@TheMerFree]

I could see Dr. Mike’s soul start to leave his body when Gundry started talking positively about smoking.😂

[@gailmattingly9604]

Me too !! He didn’t wait for Dr. Gundry’s explanation of it….

[@dbadagna]

It was horrible.

[@janpeterbennett9122]

@@dbadagna Nicotine and related chemicals deserve more study. I know plenty of people who made it past 70 and smoked like troopers. We know smoking is bad for you. NOBODY is saying smoking is good for you. Maybe those troopers would have made 100 instead of stopping at 90... but research is needed and 'separating' nicotine from carcinogen smoke and tar is a big step we need to make in these conversations.

[@MattSamson83]

Except he wasn't talking positively about "smoking". He was talking about the potential positives of "nicotine".

[@izzyyt1]

I mean it’s crazy to think about, but he did explain it in a logical, well thought out way. I’m not saying he’s right, but science is all about questioning and testing theories otherwise we never progress. So, him questioning traditional methods and researching isn’t a bad thing as long as it is in good faith and a well thought out/educated manner. He clearly is an intelligent and educated man, which is why they were able to have a respectful conversation.

[@sananapee]

"When you say really great evidence, I'm curious what goes through your mind" absolute GOLD 😂

[@blesswind584]

Timestamp?

[@guywhocomments6884]

@@blesswind5841:37:30

[@DavidGarcia-vy7dh]

Such a great debate !! In my own very simplistic resolve way I will continue to eat and drink and some times smoke in moderation. Thank you Dr Mike , Dr Gundry, Dr, Belardo for all the expertise you brought to this conversation.

[@glendastennett9959]

What a wonderful debate. I wish there was more shows like this with professionals discussing their points of view.

[@angelaflandorfer6198]

My 97 year old father in law and his siblings live in a tiny southern italian village with a high percentage of centenarians. His typical Mediterranean Diet consists of lots of beans, seasonal veggies and fruit, fresh fish, almost no meat and much olive oil from his own production. He doesn't smoke (nor do his friends), drinks a glass of homemade red wine with lunch and dinner and eats no processed food at all. He walks at least 4km a day to meet his friends and family members. I believe that a healthy lifestyle, no stress, genuine nutrition and an intact social life are the key to longevity.❤

[@shawnajohnson]

Yes! My rheumatologist doesn't believe in all these new restrictive diets like carnivore, keto, etc, but he praised the Mediterranean diet bc it's so well balanced.

[@brucedonaldson3627]

Health community: "There are no studies to prove that. It's anecdotal. Therefore, invalid."

[@michaelbaker7938]

I think most is genetic. That's why no matter what they say works. It's nit gunna work with everyone. My family is probably the unhealthiest eating people you will ever meet but we are all skinny for generations and smoked and didn't exercise much other than sports and we never get sick, never get cancer and never die from any diseases. So any doctor can have something that "works" . Thata why they just keep going in circles.

[@lyndsaymitchell9822]

Yuuup

[@Hi_Im_Akward]

I think there are multiple compounding factors to health, and a major component missing from modern American lifestyles is the ability to walk places or have time to have deeper connections with others. And the average american experiences high stress from jobs, lacking family ties and finances. Diet absolutely is a factor here but honestly a lot of people are food conscious and go out of their way to do things like go to the gym on the regular, yet some of the healthier people I know still have heart problems, blood sugar problems, dementia development, cancer etc.

[@prestonhunter45]

“A man hears what’s he wants to hear” Dr Mike and everyone watching: Isn’t that what you are doing right now 😂

[@user-wi6iw8mt6b]

Ur comment made no sense

[@USMCwifey2001]

@@user-wi6iw8mt6byes it did

[@k.hilley7710]

When he said that, those exact words went through my head. 😂

[@doccrane3143]

When he said that I had that exact same thought.

[@DM-MD]

I swear me and Dr Mike said it at the same time

[@DelightfulDissident]

I will give Gundry props for letting others finish their thought before speaking himself. Belardo couldn't help herself from interrupting him for most of the conversation.

[@Wardawg-]

Because Gundry is blatantly wrong

[@addelaidesummers6631]

Personally I believe this depends on your circumstances. A lot of people would not benefit from his diet. But from someone who struggles to loose weight and have many gut problems that if were not addressed could have and were significant decreasing my quality and life. His diet was a lifesaver to me. Its not something I believe anyone can live on for forever. I am adding foods back into my diet slowly. But this diet has quite literally transformed my life. I have so much more energy. Whether you believe in this diet or not my blood levels with my thyroid problems and gut problems (hashimotos, cebos, and cirs) have gotten significantly better. I know I could get hate for this comment but I do believe it works. But it seriously depends on circumstances and if you are sick enough to try the diet. I also do not think it is for everyone. The modern medications I tried didnt help at all. Some people may not believe that but modern medicine cost me a lot of energy and more gut issues. HIS DIET WORKED FOR ME, IT DOES NOT WORK FOR EVERYONE!!!

[@TheThrivingLady]

Wow. This interview was wild. I experienced vicarious gaslighting from Dr. Gundry. He would never acknowledge that his views might be inaccurate. That's dangerous. Dr. Mike showed such professionalism and grace throughout.

[@Ded-Ede]

You said it. I had all types of feelings throughout this interview. I guess Dr. Gundry don’t wanna be sued and have to pay back all the money. That’s why he backtracks, talks in circles and will never say he was wrong by updated science. The unfortunate part is there are so many doctors like this, holding on to belief and dogma as evidence show otherwise, and putting patients health and life in danger. That’s why we cannot be dogmatic and latching on to one doctor, one health lifestyle, and our heads in the sand about other pertinent information out there, so when we go to our doctor, we are educated and open-minded, and it need to go both ways. Beware of dismissive doctors that says I study this, I wrote the book, I have so many viewers and followers so I’m the authority.

[@gregarmstrong2500]

Dr Mike: "What about thing A?" Dr Gundry: "Exactly! For instance, thing B..." This guy diverts away from every piece of evidence he's asked about. He should be a politician.

[@LezbionestHere]

This is almost every statement he makes. Its hilarious.

[@Godeau03]

Why waste the time and put out the video then? This channel doesn’t produce politics, does it?

[@jacksonkuzmic]

@@Godeau03not yet

[@kieran7655]

It would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous. Every question that was put to Dr Grundy went along these lines. Dr Belardo: If we look at study a and study b, they use method a, method b and method c, we saw out comes were x, which disagrees with your claims. Dr Grundy: But have you considered anecdotal evidence? 🧐

[@sabinessmith3046]

Couldn’t be further from the truth….

[@colizzalisa7819]

Smack! A must watch. The expert becomes the student. For the general public/discerning prosumer who may just hang onto a statement or two from a leading expert and adopt poorly substantiated claims and influences into their health and wellness decisions, and even pay for them. This revealing interview legitimately challenges the very visible Dr. Gundry to defend his recommendations with evidence. I was most surprised by the clash of scientific evidence/human outcome data with his claims based far too loosely on observational/anecdotal evidence at best. The basics are often lost in the noise of a billion dollar health and wellness money-making culture. Partner with your provider, ask questions, get informed. Mass social media is not your health advisor. Dr. Mike deserves his own show. Great interview! 👏

[@mklrly]

It is not anecdotal to the patient who follows advice, and who is relieved of symptoms.

[@rieyuki]

@@mklrlythen you don’t know what anecdotal evidence means. You don’t understand why anecdotal evidence is poor data for a robust, legitimate, scientific study. Gundry’s rubbish will never end up in medical textbooks.

[@AwarenessAlchemy101]

The passion of trying to find answers gives me goose bumps and I can certainly relate to this intention. I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. Great example of wisdom and youth going at each other ;) to try to find those answers. I appreciate and salute all of you! Thank you.

[@joeporter3136]

These conversations would've previously been conducted behind closed doors. It's exciting to see them unfold in a semi-public setting.

[@CaribbeanCasanova]

1.5 million views is “semi” public 🤣

[@Mimiscellaneous]

@@CaribbeanCasanovaSemi public because to see this you have to search or already follow Dr. Mike. I think these kind of segments should be on TV; but the news and talk shows focus on sensationalism. They talk about things for overly extended periods of time; many things that don’t matter to the average Joe.

[@CaribbeanCasanova]

@@Mimiscellaneous thank god most people who watch tv 📺 are old Asf 😂

[@Vosudd]

I think there’s a volatility to this kind of format. People who aren’t able to make educated decisions picking sides and cherry picking advice because well “they’re all doctors” I’d rather they figure this out to the best of their ability and report a conclusion rather than anyone get hurt or spread misinformation 3rd hand to their friends and family. It’s definitely cool to listen in, but maybe not good for us layman on the topic. Muddy waters you know?

[@killerwolf9821]

​@CaribbeanCasanova uh yes to billions of pol 1.5 mil is nothing

[@gthenumb5841]

I just want to say I truly appericiate Dr. Belardo's scientific comebacks and how she executed her argumentation with providing explanations on things people like me would not understand if not explained because we are not studying or educated in this field.

[@nicreven]

I haven't seen her before but my first thought when I heard her talk was "WOW dude you're really good at talking" I feel like I could listen to her for hours, she's so articulate

[@AngelRodriguez-my7ht]

Dr like by far the best podcaster and social media influencer and Dr to ever do it he asks questions that might get sticky best podcast I’ve ever seen had me wanting more even when it ended

[@MovingMinds.]

One of the best sit-downs I’ve watched ever. Really great video and I frankly got a lot out of it, thanks for sharing adn spreading the knowledge ❤

[@joeychun3386]

I genuinely learned a lot of useful things from Dr Gundry from this debate, but unfortunately, none of it was about healthcare

[@TheKrispyfort]

quiet chuckle

[@Otakufreak26]

He's a con man lol. What do you expect?

[@burgerboi335]

This gave a hardy chuckle😂

[@danieldraper4005]

The Ice-cream sales and shark attacks correlation is my new favorite response to stupid arguments. Thank you doctor Mike

[@drbrandonsantan]

That is called a straw man fallacy. It wasn’t a good argument at all.

[@TheNickleChick]

​@@drbrandonsantanit's literally not that.

[@tomroyca]

​@@drbrandonsantannothing to do with a strawman fallacy 😂

[@tomroyca]

​@@drbrandonsantan this is actually a fallacy presented by a snake oil doctor and it is the conflating correlation with causation

[@erefar1313]

​@@drbrandonsantanit's called false cause fallacy. Because correlation is not causation

[@suemeier1107]

My whole body stopped hurting when I gave up lectins! I learned so much that worked for me when I read Gundry.

[@MinthyHellebore]

Dr. Belardo: This rigorously tested, repeatable study shows us this…. Dr. Gundry: this anecdote of this one guy showed me…

[@qfrank76]

What a master class for progressing the discussion to allow the nuance to bubble up. Resisting knee-jerk responses must've been very difficult and I applaud you for prioritizing the difficult path towards truth and understanding.

[@johndeeregreen4592]

He is using a lot of techniques we use in counseling (I am a therapist). He is an absolute master at keeping his composure, all while letting things come out that he can challenge. This is how we counsel people, too; you have to build rapport, but also lightly (but professionally) challenge someone to get them talking more about what you're trying to find out.

[@lastfreemen]

Dr Mike not even listening, just becomes an angry child lol Dr Steven Gundry literally recommends Fruit (In season) and Dr Mike responds with "You're telling people not to eat fruit" 😂 Adding Massive apples with junk diets that already contain High Fructose is not the solution Dr Mike.... lmao

[@kaib5735]

Yo, I like your profile pic/gif. @qfrank76

[@jeovanniperez3949]

@@lastfreemen Dr. gundry also not listening as he clearly states in season yet Dr.balardo point with actual facts fruits are beneficial year round not just in season , I would still rather eat fruits all year included in my diet over eating ice cream and junk processed refined sugars , Dr.gundry’s excuses for “in season” is cus he is trying to equal fruit to a candy bar which literally not the same even when not in season

[@peterboswell]

agreed

[@TheRotbringer]

My mom was a victim of the natural medicine industry. She spent hundreds of dollars a month on bottles of all sorts of vitamins to “cure” any illness you could think of. She had a pain in her stomach area for about a year, and her natural doctor told her it was just stomach bile blockage. Fast forward a few more months, the pain got worse, unexplained weight loss, and it was diagnosed as pancreatic cancer when she finally went to a hospital for a CT scan. The scan showed at that point, it had grown too much for surgery. If you’re going to do the natural medicine route, please don’t dismiss your local hospital and see a certified physician when things don’t feel normal.

[@laylademolee2003]

thank you for being a shining light in the darkness of these comments. yes, a healthy diet is good, but dr. gundry is poorly mistaken when he says a proper diet can reverse/prevent all disease. and i’m so sorry for what happened to your mother.

[@aEMMinA]

That’s awful. I’m so sorry. I genuinely feel that doctors who do things like that should lose their licenses for malpractice. Misdiagnosis that leads to unnecessary pain, injury, death, or hastened death due to bias should not be tolerated. Everyone misses things and makes mistakes at times, but when a doctor has a pattern of approaching treatment this way in the face of outcomes like your mother’s case, they aren’t behaving like a proper doctor anymore.

[@habanerorhinoceros2384]

@@aEMMinA This is the MO of the medical industry- remember the axiom: 'The operation was a total success, but the patient died' ? It's never a good idea to accept the diagnosis carte blanche: Everyone knows that doctors get to bury their mistakes. It's up to us, to sift through the misinformation to find the correct info & granted: That is not an easy task when the correct info is also deliberately buried. It'$ a big political drug pu$hing indu$try - legal but totally immoral (except for ER doctors - Thank God for them!)

[@cheesecakefan4880]

@@laylademolee2003 if you didnt have such serious deficiency and toxic load you wouldnt be sick . Thats a fact

[@cheesecakefan4880]

@@aEMMinA But prescribing dangerous RX drugs that drs do not even know how they interact with eachother isnt ok either The only RX drug that saves any lives are antibiotics All other just mask symptoms , they cure nothing . Medical doctors cant even cure heartburn. The medical system is not effective at most illness But we have a good critical care system

[@dennisalexander1397]

Im with Gundry ( he is all over the place and cant go with it all ) but he is doing the work helping people recover with simple lifestyle adjustments and learning. Mike is too mainstream and a little arrogant believing in all the germs and cant accept and needs to let go his training.

[@jtoaderamma]

This is a great episode. I appreciate the back and forth dialogue.

[@johnbernard6719]

I'm usually unwilling to sit through a KZbin video that's more than 30 minutes long. This hour and 45 minutes was worth every second.

[@johnbernard6719]

1.75 x speed for me.

[@turtlesrprettycool3379]

what’s up with y’all’s attention spans lol

[@PenielShober]

I’d be watching 2-3 hour videos every few days lol

[@stephenstanton6860]

What’s so scary about all this is idk 90% of what they’re talking about, yet this Gundry talks with such confidence that if he was your provider you’d listen to him. That’s dangerous. Thank God for Danielle being there to counter

[@ChumbisDilliams]

I agree, and I think this is a good argument for understanding logic/rhetorical tools, because it helps you see the shape of the conversation and how it does (or does NOT) actually address the points being made. For example, constant shifting of the conversational focus, contradicting yourself, distractions, talking in circles, are all things Dr. Gundry is doing to avoid a direct back-and-forth about the solidity of his own arguments. That's definitely not something you can really do in the clinic though, so I'm with you there... Hope to god your doctor doesn't feel like going on a cash grab book-writing tour.

[@Islamisthecultofsin]

Danielle has no clue.

[@josha1536]

How do you know who to believe? Because standards can’t be wrong? Everyone pushing the envelope is crazy… until they’re not. Don’t be so fast to judge

[@Islamisthecultofsin]

@@zacharyware2133 He wasn't pro-smoking. Stop being dumb. He was talking about the nicotine component. He is far more intelligent than either of the two other people.

[@iamsadandlame]

​@@josha1536standards can be adjusted as we gather more and more reliable information and data over time. The whole purpose of the scientific method is to discern which information is credible to build the scientific consensus on and move forward with further research. If someone is making claims that refute years of scientific research chances are they have ulterior motives. Like selling supplements to protect you from the thing he says is bad now.

[@audreycaruso8111]

I really enjoyed this! It eased .my mind abit. Thank you! 😊

[@motabaiofficial7776]

The older doctor I actually like because he gives a different medical perspective on things we may be overlooking due to other risk factors that combine with smoking. Granted it’s anecdotal discussion but it’s a healthy discussion to have. There are so many chemicals in a cigarette. It’s possible that ONE could potentially have a benefit but again, if nicotine really is a good mitochondrial coupler why not prescribe it in tablets so we aren’t smoking it? Why not patches with those diet changes? Would we see similar results with patches

[@asaltysurprise4107]

Doctor you did amazing in this conversation, not being too aggressive but also calling the doctor out when he gave specific examples. This is a perfect way to talk to people who you dont agree with.

[@matthewleconey9813]

Honestly, despite Dr. Grundy's unwillingness to back down from some of his unsubstantiated stances, his ability to take criticism without becoming "overly" defensive or rude is admirable. This is exactly how to have a civilized argument about something. The hope is to learn from each other and hopefully move closer to the reality on the topic one way or the other and respect the others position to some degree. They were all able to agree on the most important aspects which is focusing on a plant-based diet without highly processed foods, but disagreed on the quality and usefulness of mechanisms and anecdotal evidence in providing recommendations to the public. I wish Dr. Grundy was more willing to acknowledge how his claims can be confusing and misleading to the public especially when he respects the science and the nuance of the claims he's making, but it was a good source of discussion for how scientific recommendations should be made and acknowledges how anecdotal evidence still has some meaning since it can lead to more evidence based trials and studies that can let us learn more which then can lead to additional recommendations.

[@yasstone4268]

It is also a typical example of how academic discussions and disagreements proceed. Name-calling and aggression is not part of the practice of academic discussion. We praise this as if this is an accomplishment, but this is the only kind exchange that warrants the title of discussion. Any other form is juvenile.

[@judithnelson1581]

​. Excellent! Your summation should be most prominently placed under this video. Until I watched this, my exposure to Dr. Gundry's youtube videos led me to believe he was a greed-driven egotist. His attention-getting come-ons leave me with the exact impressions that concern Dr. Mike. The hubris of "I can end all disease" is outrageous. I would guess that improved gut health will yield significant reductions in many syndromes and diseases. Science has so much research ahead in this area.

[@bagustsson4112]

No one diet works for all, but avoiding harmful substances in food definitely does help everyone. Do we need study to prove that when we already know?

[@brentontreloar419]

I laughed so hard when Mike calmly said, "When you say really great evidence, I'm curious what goes through your mind"

[@jaseregalado2408]

can you link the time in the video, i can imagine how funny that would be 😂

[@Wolfnotsheep1]

Well doctor gundry told him where he can find that evidence. I think doctor mike need to not worry about his ego. I mean, he's still young. There's no way he can have the knowledge as doctor gundry.

[@codyaaron3371]

@@jaseregalado2408 1:37:08

[@arunthebuffoon4554]

Gundry literally tried to convince us Niacin (a.k.a. nicotinic acid or Vitamin B3) is the same thing as Nicotine. Dr. Mike is being extremely patient, all things considered.

[@arunthebuffoon4554]

This is the chemical formula of *Niacin* (Vitamin B3) or Nicotinic acid that Gundry mentions /=N\ \\__//__OOH There is no "nicotine" in this molecule. Just because the names are similar doesn't mean they're the same.

[@dr.samierasadoonalhassani2669]

Very good high standards discussion. It shows the complexity of our biology and the mess we are in. We needs more exposure and transparency with those who wrote books about health and thinks they know it all. We don’t know anything and what we know is the tip of the iceberg. Keep healthy, keep learning, God blessings. Very impressive & inspiring young doctor.Well done.

[@hannahbowman9484]

This is a good mix of circular reasoning and correlation vs causation I’ve ever seen.

[@8happyperson]

Can't wait to start my new lifestyle filled with smoking, no apples, and lots of chocolate. Sounds like an amazing time (not for my health but just experientially).

[@skwiggsskytower2517]

Honestly.. I'm kinda for adding life to years instead of years to life.

[@smashmusique]

that was a strawman, he said he doesn't recommend smoking and he doesn't recommend milk chocolate

[@stellannie86]

Don't forget cocaine! 🙃

[@2.00.2]

@@smashmusiquedo u not realize this is a joke

[@detrockcity3]

@@2.00.2ehhh sort of. it’s a fair correction. dark chocolate is good for you for sure.

[@dfcarvalho]

I'm always amazed at how some people manage to make false "theories" sound like science to ordinary people, but this Gundry person takes the cake. All he has is small number of anecdotal cases and he spews them in a debate like this as if they could be compared to clinical, controlled studies. And then he says things like "the data is there, look it up". Also I don't think he ever truly answered any of the questions. Almost all of his answered started with "For instance" or "Let me tell you a story" and then he talks about some anecdotal case that is tangentially related to the question. In short, he makes people believe he answered "yes I believe X" but leaves room to later say "i never said I believe X, i just told you about this case". It's quite impressive and scary.

[@stefanallard3084]

False theories according to who? The fda? Grow up its not the 90s anymore were we need to pretend dis-ease is chronic. I would love to hear how many diseases Mike have reversed, lets guiess: none

[@pb_and_nutella]

"look it up" the battle cry of fools with no evidence and loud voices

[@vladeckk21]

Even more it's an example of how people latch onto pet theories and start believing that is the same as evidence based medicine.

[@cherseattle]

@@pb_and_nutellaYou just nailed the whole kit and caboodle in one sentence. Bravo! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@Mushroom_cloud_layin_mf.mf.]

This gary guy could be right and I bet everyone bashing him ain't a medical professional. And even if you are you cannot definitively say he is wrong. Bc you simply don't know. Not that anyone does know. But it could be correct.

[@awonderfulfeeling8588]

This "debate" if you will, is probably the single most absolute perfect example I've ever come across, of why I always find myself asking the question, "Who the hell are we sopposed to listen to?" I highly doubt there's ever been a more confusing time on this earth, because in this modern age of mass information, that's exactly what it is: confusion at it's best.

[@anamaridavalos1300]

Wow, el esfuerzo que el Dr.Mike hace para no gritarle o pegarle al Dr G jajaja héroe!

[@ofthedarknessthemoonlight5412]

As a smoker, I find this guy reassuring. As an intelligent person, that makes me wonder what's happening to my brain.

[@Ari-zo7ve]

😂😂

[@eschelar]

It's called confirmation bias. Nothing too dramatic. It's normal to feel reassured when a person with perceived authority (ie "Dr") says something that goes along with what you believe. This is how echo chambers work. Sadly, Gundry's vague assertions have very little to back up his even more vague inferences of utility to smoking and ironically, for the exact same thing he criticizes in the female doctor when he challenges her for not doing testing because the outcomes have confirmed her biases.

[@tiagomoraes1510]

he didnt said smoking is good for you, since u probab eat modern world food

[@eschelar]

@@tiagomoraes1510 he didn't say it explicitly but he was implying or inferring it. This is the advantage of making vague assertions - you can always say "I didn't say that", also known as backpedaling.

[@laxminarayanbhandari855]

@@eschelar it's a classic tactic, really

[@ymiranda3388]

This was a masterclass in handling disagreements with tact, calm, and professionalism. Dr. Mike and Dr. Belardo handled his pettyfogging and misdirects with such class and integrity

[@erin723]

💯 this guy is harmful to the general public who blindly listen to the flashy messages. I now need a beta blocker! 😂

[@user-vw8tl2wp9o]

Lol wut?? how is he harming the public? Our microbiome is messed up FDA don't care about you - think for yourself for once@@erin723

[@naguarachamo1]

Absurd comment

[@jeremyc6827]

No proof Dr. Gundry is simply “wrong”

[@zacharylehocki]

Couldn`t agree more or say it better myself.

[@alheno5423]

I am someone who took a little bit of his info and turned in into a couple of years of eating very few fruits and veggies and it did not help my health. I am now craving fruits and veggies and eating them regularly again and feel much better and my bowels work normally again! I probably did misunderstand and misapply the snippets i had heard fro, hi,. along with all the carnivore and keto stuff going around at the time... so this is a really great idea to go deeper into his theories with him like this. Thank you!

[@Samiya-zn1xl]

Honestly the craziest thing was that a commercial coming on before this was from a body builder talking about how you shouldn’t eat eggs steak and veggies and more because they stop your metabolism 🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️ it just shows how much misinformation there is out there thank you dr Mike for combating this and telling the truth