The True Size of the High Charity Defense Fleet | Halo Lore

On today's Halo lore video, we break down the might High Charity Defense Fleet, which, as Cortana says in Halo 2, "is the largest Covenant fleet anyone's ever seen".
I'll guess how many capital ships the Covenant Empire dedicated to protecting their capital, including the number of CCS Cruisers, CAS Carriers, and whether they used any CSO Supercarriers.
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[@cookiemuffin3208]

High Charity: Has biggest covenant fleet anyone has ever seen Flood:*Its free real estate*

[@Jockster109]

*Minister of discovery writes a parchment and commits oof.

[@noble6791]

LOL

[@bargainbin6162]

B1 8247 NEIN!!!!!

[@Ragebabyalan]

High Charity: Has biggest covenant fleet anyone has ever seen Me: “weird flex but okay”

[@ln7929]

@@Ragebabyalan less of flex more of a fact

[@MrMcp1995]

In Halo: Silent Storm, a Sangheili officer states that High Charity's defense fleet was a dozen times larger than his own fleet of around 100 ships. So the number is approximately 1,200.

[@davehale3992]

MrMcp1995 you should also compare that number to the fleet at reach.

[@Baikanon]

It seems like there’s still a large margin of error there; if the officer’s fleet is closer to 90 than 100, that drops the fleet size closer to 1,000. And he could mean 11 times, but a dozen just rolls of the tongue easier (proverbially speaking). That said, I think it’s pretty clearly around 1,000, with a margin of error on either size.

[@shingshongshamalama]

If we assume that each carrier would be operating within a strikegroup, and taking this convenient guesstimate of 2:5 so let's say each battlegroup has 2 carriers, 5 cruisers, and then a contingent of supporting frigates and screening vessels perhaps eight to ten in total. A hundred individual battlegroups would quickly mass up to about 1700 total ships. Two hundred CAS super-carriers, five hundred cruisers, and about a thousand smaller ships. But then again, the force distribution of Covenant naval assets isn't totally clear. Maybe they don't use that much in the way of screening or support vessels for their capital ships. Even with a ratio closer to 2:5:5 that still gives us roughly 1200 ships in total and about 700 total capital ships.

[@scytheseven9173]

Perhaps he was referring to tonnage instead of just ship number, as it could have been something like eight times the number of ships but with larger ships making up the fleet.

[@sinofren8406]

800 is too small. Give easily 1000,

[@badmoth242xl3]

Who would win: The greatest Covenant fleet and its holy city capital Or One zombie octopus boi Edit: My school didn’t even MENTION the centennial of WW1. The Students were the ones who talked about it

[@coke2k140]

Badmoth242 Xl same here sad no one is talking about ww1 guess that generation died out sad that no one will probably talk about ww2 when it has its 100 year Anniversary because most of the people that were there are dead or dying

[@palekoc8697]

Your school doesn't have the high ground and it's only mass for the unity/flood/lambent, see ya later space cowboy, call me when you wanna die anywhere else

[@matthalo871]

It's hard for most people imagine ww1 I was lucky to have a great grandfather that survived in the last year of it and what he saw was horrors beyond belief

[@CrackDCat]

Well bloody done mate, I remember back in my school in Australia. every ANZAC and remembrance day we would have to stand and honour the fallen with a minute of silence while the last post played over the speakers.

[@gravemind6536]

I beat High Charity by sending Chief off to start a civil war inside as a distraction, the fleet began destroying itself and I bypassed the entire fleet by teleporting directly into High Charity.

[@Servellion]

Apparently supercarrier is a term that applies to ships over a certain length. It actually includes CAS Assault Carriers. Also the spine of High Charity also played host to thousands of Energy projectors (Lances of the Faithful) so on top of the massive fleet, High Charity was rocking absolutely stupid amounts of firepower.

[@captainmauser8527]

Halo Mythos says that High Charity has 8,930 Umbilical Tethers on it. Also only Cruisers and Carriers seems to be questionable as during a few of the books it mentioned Destroyers, Frigates, and many other craft being in and around High Charity too.

[@iona2225]

Most of those were probably for civilian traffic, commerce and non-governmental or evangelical use :)

[@captainmauser8527]

Prehaps, but it said "hundreds of ships from thousands of worlds." The rest would account for visiting fleets and its personal fleet which, as we saw in a terminal can stay in High Charities dome as well, further increasing its capacity. As a side note I hope we get to see the Covenant version of Seawise Giant. That thing should be bigger than a CSO as should any Covie cruise ships, other mass bulk ships, and rescource transports for an Empire that advanced and vast.

[@iona2225]

David James Oh I see, thanks!

[@captainmauser8527]

No problem 🙂

[@TheAstrobiologistOW]

What many people seem to miss is that until Installation 04 was destroyed, the Covenant (as a whole, not the Hierarchs, since they knew why they had declared war in the first place) didn’t consider humanity a serious threat. They sent a number of fleets our way but the everyday life of most members of the Covenant weren’t affected by the war at all; we were just another bug to squash that they paid some attention to on their path to salvation. The exact number of Covenant warships in active use was absolutely staggering, but because they didn’t consider us worth the effort and they’re fleet was so extremely spread out, it didn’t make sense to go all-our war on us. I’d also mention that having hundreds of CSOs isn’t impossible or even unlikely. In Silent Storm we see that the construction of CSOs wasn’t exactly as significant or limited as we once thought, since the Covenant seemed hardly bothered by its destruction instead caring about the orbital station encircling the planet that was destroyed. That said, it seems like they weren’t used in the High Charity defense fleet, instead being spread out across the empire’s sphere of influence as the flagships for major territorial control fleets far from High Charity

[@tristanbackup2536]

This! People forgotten that the Covenant is massive with thier sphere of influence easily goes around 2000+ light years. Basically they owned the entire orion arm, hundreds of clusters. Humanity barely has 60 light years maximum of controlled space of one cluster or two & we were getting a*se kick handicapped. Work that out with how many solar systems within that controlled space with resources & the means of manufacturing, the number of ships easily have to be 10,000+ at minimum along with a minimum of 1000 at High Charity alone. The games & books only showed a fraction of the number of ships & fleets.

[@turtle5086]

I dont think thats necessarily true if at all because the covenant believe it or not did suffer ALOT against their campaign against the humans including MANY ships. Considering it wasnt uncommon for covenant to suffer more naval losses then the unsc ranging from 20 to 500 ships being lost in a naval strike. This even led to turmoil within the covenant near the end of the war, as to the why the war was even necessarily in the first place because of the extreme loss of assets, resources, ships men etc.. against an enemy that proved more then worthy to be apart of their empire. By the end of the war the covenant or what was left of them was essentially nothing in comparison to what they where, like they had nothing to compensate for them after high charity since almost all of it was wiped out by humanity.

[@ROFLobster4884]

It’s worth mentioning that by the time the human-covenant war ended, between the battle with humanity, the schism and the flood, almost nothing remained of the Covenant navy. The few remaining warlords that could still use them, mostly pulled them from mothballed depots or mutinied crews fleeing the schism/humanity. Either a whole lot of them got destroyed by humanity, or they didn’t have as much as we thought to begin with. Considering between Admiral Cole’s last stand and the crew of the Gettysburg destroying the entire Earth invasion fleet... probably a thousand covenant ships were destroyed, I’d venture to say they very well knew they were taking too many losses against humanity.

[@MrBlue99912]

I agree with this, our single solar system combined probably has 30× the resources earth has humanity had 2000 ships at the beginning of the war so they had the numbers for the little decisive victories and built at least around a thousand more it was probably individual administrations as we know the covenant wasn't a fully unified centralized state it was religious cross species alliance or coalition it had individual governments administrations planetoids had they're own mini society's and rules the covenant had septuple the resources humanity had best estimate is between 3000 to 6000 they had ships protecting every solar system it was probably administrations and planets debating fighting humanity or not they did have problems with rebellions and revolts and heretic factions every administration government and planet colony wanted control over the great journey there was infighting why waste ships and armies on a pest civilization when you have constant internal struggles rebels and power hungry leaders if they really wanted they could send a massive flotilla and destroy humanity don't forget they were also looking for artifacts across the galaxy always searching and we know that it was only a anti piracy administration that mainly fought against humanity the only time they sent a huge invasion fleet with immense assets was at the fall of reach where the covenant actually took humanity as a threat the schism was across the Covenant empire not just a small rebellion the sangheili were the main backbone and leadership of covenant truth if not for the elites would wiped humanity out instantaneously it was a miracle that the covenant and truth lost at all it makes sense there are barely any working ships let alone shipyard factories the they were truly struggling before and during HC war the schism ended any industry and unity they had left genociding humanity wasn't because the elites couldn't take it they were focused on other issues and thought they would be better as a new soldier or slave species addition to the covenant they weren't worried about taking to many casualties or losing they didn't want to be stretched out even by a smidge bit

[@cavefox117]

There is one thing to consider. The covenant lived mostly in habitats, artificial environments. Their aren't nearly enough worlds that are 100% naturally fully liveable. And they have shown an extreme lack of ingenuity. So while their Empire was large, it was hollow. Permanent planets to live on give a much greater power base than a statbase or ship. Because without the prophets most of their tech breaks down. Otherwise the Covenant would not merely have crumbled as quickly as it did.

[@MajoraZ]

I strongly disagree with the assertion that it would only have a single CSO supercarrier. The Fleet of Valiant Prudence, (as much as I think making it a separate fleet from Particular Justice makes no sense) was basically just an expeditionary archaeological recon fleet of small enough size to be unnoticed by the Reach Orbital Defense network and it had a CSO. I'd expect at least 1 CSO per sub-fleet in the High Charity Defense fleet, perhaps as many as 2-3 per.

[@assistantmagus5213]

I'm sceptical they even had that many. We only know of about 3, and granted they would've rather used them to defend high charity than attack us, I doubt they had more than around 10 total during the war, certainly during the schism pretty much all were destroyed, but i think if they had quite a few the war would've went a bit differently, especially since they likely would've been under elite control

[@ONEIL311]

I would say 3 or 4 there were two high prophets there in halo 2 and the elite council. So each major faction leader should have one there.

[@assistantmagus5213]

@@ONEIL311 That's assuming there was that many made and their main purpose was to be a flagship though, I doubt they made that many or used them for that purpose because Eck said that they'd likely be used for offensive roles and not limited to defence, and i agree tbh their size and firepower means they'd be wasted in a defensive fleet which already has hundreds of carriers

[@ONEIL311]

@thatguyyousawinasda exactly they are flag ships. The high prophets would each have one because regret had one. So there is 2. The elite council leader would have one because he’s the supreme commander of the covenant military. Plus the internal politics of the time. So there is 3 and arbiter had his taken away in the beginning of halo 2 and that was given to tartus by truth and taken to delta halo which was then stolen by the ship master during the last missions of halo 2. So there is at least 4 during the events of halo 2 maybe 5 because regrets carrier wasn’t destroyed that we know. Defense and offense doesn’t matter. We are talking about a highly militarized covenant where military power is based on class. You’re telling me when the elites council leadership wouldn’t have one or the high prophets? They are a symbol of power and theses leaders wouldn’t go anywhere without them.

[@assistantmagus5213]

@@ONEIL311 Except if regret did have one he didn't use it himself, nor was it a part of his fleet. I don't think they would have one each because they were used solo to attack/scout reach etc. I believe the halo 2 thing you mentioned isn't in the game, we never see one during halo 2. and to my knowledge there wasn't one at delta halo either. Regret's carrier wasnt a supercarrier. The wiki says multiple defended high charity, but im not sure where that came from because im pretty sure it wasnt there last i checked and im not sure if theres a source, theres only two names supercarriers that we know of and they were both destroyed before the great schism.

[@AneurysmSauce]

But cmon, the covenant had way more than just ccs cruisers and cas carriers. You’re forgetting destroyers, corvettes, frigates, etc. I’d say you highballed the number of carriers an cruisers and low balled the overall number of the fleet. I always thought the fleet would be 1000+ strong since it had two stationed fleets. The only reason I base that at around 1000 is because of the fleet we see at the unyielding hierophant. These ships would’ve been with an aggregate of fleets at High Charity before they moved to fight humanity. You’re supposed to be putting the covenant at its strongest, remember?

[@centerofattention5783]

Is it weird that I read this comment in Hank Hill's voice?

[@AneurysmSauce]

Center of Attention not at all haha

[@johnusas2870]

I agree forgetting about Frigates like the CRS not being mentioned the Destroyer class of warship was a position of shame and stationed at the far edges of covenant space and weren't allowed near High Charity.

[@AneurysmSauce]

john USAS ahh didn’t know that. That’s pretty interesting though

[@wilburforce8046]

AneurysmSauce yea, for some reason destroyers were only crewed by the “fuckups” of the covenant. Which is weird because they deployed one in halo wars (which saw a battle so important that their arbiter and a prophet were present)

[@alec-md1zo]

I actually love this channel been watching it for years

[@kucsidavee]

that is very interesting, considering that it is not even 2 years ago that Eck started making videos...

[@alec-md1zo]

@@kucsidavee yea cus may 26 2014 is less than two years

[@blo0dthirstt_phinsupxxx868]

Agreed, but ew bills suck

[@alec-md1zo]

@@blo0dthirstt_phinsupxxx868 agreed. I made this account when I was like 10 and I used to love them but now I'm to lazy to change it lol

[@kucsidavee]

@@alec-md1zo Yeah, now look at the first video's time... February 2017

[@kennethkates3140]

Personal shield technology compared Dune Halo Mass Effect and Star Wars

[@corydorton2660]

Definitely that would be interesting

[@DracaNova]

And Stargate

[@MM-zg4wu]

And Stargate. Dont forget about old Stargate. Star Treck also can be.

[@myduckisonqauck7227]

Haven't read dune. Halo Mass effect Star wars

[@griffin5653]

That is hard to say, I'm going to have to go with Dune because the only way past a personal shield is close combat but I'm not really sure, it's been a while since I read the book.

[@lordfrostwind3151]

Royal Guard brawl! Which scifi faction has the best honor/praetorian guard, Sangheili Honor Guard (Halo), Imperial Royal Guard (Star Wars), Imperial Sardukar (Dune), Theron Palace Guards (Gears of War)?

[@noble6791]

Need to hear which one wins

[@lordfrostwind3151]

@NightRaven 1901 The Sardaukar are vastly underappreciated, I still love the part in the David Lynch movie where the Emperor orders “release the Sardaukar!" How many troops are ever released into battle? Even if they performed poorly on foot against worms almost half the size of a star destroyers.

[@Aplesedjr]

The Theron guard is fucked. They’re pretty capable against humans, but everyone else there has far superior everything.

[@Exxane]

Fuck all your shit. Adeptus Custodes.

[@lordfrostwind3151]

@@Aplesedjr I wouldn't underestimate the Theron, I mean the Torque Bows alone would be a pretty good match for most the heavy personal weapons in Star Wars, long reload and charge time not withstanding, and biologically they and their weapons like reavers and bloodmounts can be pretty hardy. Exxane Yeah the Custodes pretty much curb stomp anything, that's why I had to take them out of the match, hands down the Emperor's Golden Boys are the toughest guard unit in almost any fictional universe.

[@nobleman9393]

Which Sci-Fi faction has the best heavy infantry | Geth, Terran Dominion, Astra Militarum, Grand Army of the Republic.

[@wilburforce8046]

Geth are first or second, their preaty freakin op

[@lordfrostwind3151]

For the Astra Militarum would that be armored fist mechanized units, stormtroopers/scions or Ogryns?

[@christiandauz3742]

Scions would be considered Elite troops Ogryns would fit the Heavy Role

[@Exxane]

Warhammer.

[@christiandauz3742]

What is the heavy infantry for each faction? I can't guess the one for the Republic

[@thesparduck117]

I’d give High Charity about 2000+ ships. 1,500 CCS Class Battlecruiser 800 SDV Heavy Corvettes 300 CAS Class Assault Carriers 40 Super cruisers 15 CSO Super carriers

[@just-there]

This seems right to me

[@alexspain9103]

Galactic versus suggestion: Rakatan infinite empire vs the flood. I think the infinite empire is one of the only factions in star wars that could stand a chance against the flood due to a combination of lack of galactic advancement at the time resulting in hyperspace technology being far less common inhibiting the initial infection, and the infinite empire's unique characteristics like being comprised entirely of force users that would rapidly detect the floods presence. The biggest thing is however, the fact that unlike every other faction, the Rakatan's can match the Flood's rate of production. A single star forge is capable of mass producing weapons of war at a rate that is at the very least equal to, if not greater than, the entirety of the old republic at the time. I also do not believe that the Rakatans would stop at one forge in this instance, one is certainly enough to police their empire, but when faced with the flood I believe that they would rapidly produce as many as possible in order to outproduce the flood. Whether by making an ever expanding and impenetrable maginot line, or by overwhelming and fully blockading every individual system, I think the Rakatans would eventually win a war of attrition. The only way I can see the flood winning this, is by a combination of dumb luck and extremely precise strategy, or by technological advancement. By technological advancement I mean the possibility of the flood forming key minds and later what I call "ascendant minds", which are to the key minds what the key minds are to the graveminds, and using them to facilitate their own advancement in technology to the degree that they can create weapons powerful enough to take on the quite literally infinite military of the infinite empire.

[@MrJuicy08]

The flood took on the forerunners and ancient humanity at the same time lmao. They casually take over the entire Star Wars universe

[@Dingusdoofus]

F for Stan Lee’s death

[@adambielen8996]

F

[@noble6791]

F

[@namesnotjoe1394]

F

[@artloverivy]

F

[@tallerstond8105]

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[@monarch3335]

Cylons (second war) vs UNSC (2525 era) Edit for the video: I would give about 1000-2000 (maybe 1200-1500) ships, with in excess of five CSO supercarriers and many more carriers and cruisers. The Halo wiki states that the Second Fleet of Homogenous Clarity "numbered in the thousands of warships". This, to me, seems quite reasonable as the Covenant are stated to have as many as ten-thousand ships in their overall navy.

[@GHawkinsOneSix]

I think that's a pretty easy one depending on how you actually want to play it; Scenario 1: Total win Cylons because they would effectively be able to win an AI fight against those of the UNSC. And even though a UNSC AI is a powerful one, the Cylons are effectively living AIs. Once the Cylons win the AI battle, they simply do as they did the Colonials and shut down the UNSC fleet. Since the UNSC AIs can have full control over all ship systems, it'd be a walk in the park for the Cylons to vent the atmosphere of all ships, turn the weapon systems of the ships against things they can't hack and win the day. Scenario 2: Total win UNSC, because the Cylons weren't able to defeat the UNSC AIs. If the UNSC AIs are able to counter the Cylon intrusion, the UNSC's ships could easily pulverise the Cylon fleet. The damage the Battlestar Pegasus did with its main battery against a Cylon basestar was spectacular, now consider almost every UNSC warship equipped with such a battery (its MAC gun). The Cylons have no countermeasures against the relatively slow moving slugs fired by Pegasus and Galactica. They sure won't be able to live long enough to regret that mistake when the slug is moving at 30 km/s.

[@MajoraZ]

The Halo Wikia is not reliable, use Halopedia instead. The part of First Strike the Wikia site cites for the Second Fleet of Homogenous Clarity "numbering in the thousands" actually states hundreds.

[@oniagent391]

I actually think the covenant nave had thousands of ships before the war

[@stubbornspaceman7201]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@GHawkinsOneSix you think that a CYLON could beat a UNSC AI then you are delusional. If the cylons needed a back door to infiltrate the colonial fleet then they would do squat to the UNSC. Especially since the UNSC unlike the 12 colonies does use a stupid CNP. And I’m pretty sure UNSC ships use close networks so no amount of cylons hacking-wank is going to allow them to infiltrate a UNSC ship. Also UNSC smart ai can think in the nanoseconds. Also most UNSC ai can’t do certain things without permission from a crew member. Countering the cylons infiltration “attempts” will as easy as pie for even a dumb ai.

[@jasons1257]

Hey Eck, thanks for using one of last suggestions, I have some new ones for you. Battle breakdown of battle of Naboo Battle breakdown of battle of Battle of Yavin (time of exar Kun) Battle breakdown of occupation of Mon Cala (18 bby) Battle breakdown of operation ringbreaker Battle breakdown of battle of Malachor V Battle Breakdown of assault on Starkiller base Battle of deepspace besh 5 largest upset battles (small forces beats big one) Eck's top 5 favorite space battles Eck's top 5 favorite land battles Also incase you didn't see the here are some of my previous suggestions. A history of the Reaper SSD The death of Ardus Kaine The major star wars ship yards/ ship building companies (Incomm, Republic engineering, KDY...) Battle breakdown of battle of Borleias (x-wing series) Continue coverage of Yuzhann Vong war Battle of Umbara Viscount Vs. 2 bellators Viscount vs. Something else cool

[@mcstompwaffle]

If the Reach fleet was fifty times the size of the fleet that attacked earth, and that has 15 ships, the Charity fleet was at the very least, 750 ships strong.

[@sinofren8406]

I love how people actually believe the UNSC could beat the Covenant. 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

[@Spartan11117777]

They made a temporary Alliance with the Flood and Elites, and cut off the Head of the Snake right??? If it weren’t for the Gravemind infecting High Charity, Earth / Humanity would’ve been boned. 😂

[@barrybend7189]

Best mainline mech: UN Spacey(SDF Macross) Earth Federation(UC Gundam) The Clans(Battletech) Terran Dominion( Starcraft)

[@CrescentGuard]

My read on that one: 1) UN Spacey 2) The Clans 3) Terran Dominion 4) Earth Federation Spacey's easy to explain: mobility advantage. Even if they hit lighter than the others, they're simply overwhelmingly faster (unless we're talking things like the Tomahawk, at which point we get into the ugly relationship between Battletech and Macross, and nobody wants that). Now, I could use several examples for the Clans, but for sake of argument, I'll use the Timber Wolf. It's heavily-armed with good long-to-mid-range firepower, fast, and heavily-armored. Now, it's hard to put a comparative pricetag on Starcraft units like the Thor, but the Thor is without question slower and probably more expensive than the Timber Wolf, without having significantly better weapons, especially at long range. If we talk smaller mechs, then that argument gets even worse, as the Battletech Shadow Cat or Storm Hawk would just trounce anything in a comparative weight class. The Viking is more versatile, but on the ground it would just be ground up and spit out by even a lightweight Clan mech. As for Gundam, well... most mainline mobile suits that aren't gundams are just bad. They generally have a single laser rifle and maybe some missiles if they're lucky. Both the Thor and Timber Wolf hilariously outgun most machines we'd be talking about, and they're generally pretty fragile by comparison. They *are* faster, but it's not the overwhelming contrast provided by Macross. That's just my view though, I'm all for other arguments.

[@barrybend7189]

@@CrescentGuard actually Macross and Battletech fans are furious about Harmony Gold basically saying that because the Thor Battle mech and the Tomahawk Destroid look similar they are breaking copyright. But us fans say no shit they look similar they were designed by the same person.

[@barrybend7189]

@@CrescentGuard you forget that the Terrans have the Valkyrie a high mobility ground/air combat mech half the price of the Thor(why is it that everyone calls the heavy mech Thor?)

[@CrescentGuard]

@@barrybend7189 Oh, I'm well aware of the Macross-Battletech situation, I was just trying to sidestep it. And yeah, I know there were other mechs, I was using the Viking as a point of reference; my point was more to do with the smaller Terran mechs being kinda weak. Though yeah, that's a good point about the Thor's. I suppose everyone loves ZHE HAMMAH!

[@HaloFTW55]

Also highly dependent on the era that the UC Gundam is set in. 0097 would obviously have better Mechs than 0078.

[@kennethkates3140]

2 Harrower Dreadnaughts vs 1 Imperial Star Destroyer

[@LordOceanus]

do you realize there is like 8000 years between those ships?

[@sir_dreadlord_on_blitz7042]

Star wars tech stagnated pretty much in that time

[@dianabarnett6886]

Star Wars tech has been largely unchanged for thousands and thousands of years. It fluctuates a bit (those massive galactic wars tend to mess everything up), but it's mostly been the way its been longer than human civilization has existed here on Earth.

[@reffzorakee694]

LORDOceanus it’s actually 3600 years not 8000

[@wojakc7745]

Covenant: We finna wipe humanity The great schism and the flood: I'mma end this man's whole career

[@zonnodon163]

Nope, the number of CSOs aren't fully stated. So it won't just be only two or three they ever had. It's more like every big fleet had at least one. So it makes sense that this fleet would have around two, before the Great Schism happened. Although it makes me wonder how many battleships and frigates this fleet would have? Also you could also use the old graphics to showcase the fleet jumping in through slipspace. It definitely shows the number much better in the sky.

[@scytheseven9173]

Do a Yuuzhan Vong invasion of Fluidic Space and war against Species 8472! 67th try.

[@DimoB8]

RIP Stan Lee!

[@TheSlayer.]

fuck off

[@riograndenationalist8726]

@@TheSlayer. no u

[@xyro3633]

@@TheSlayer. Bruh

[@thefourthcrusader2117]

@@TheSlayer. Fuck you bitch.

[@futureboy6920]

DB 2310 THE ONE ABOVE ALL IS DEAD,WE CAN BE THE STRONGEST CHARACTER EVA

[@scorpixel1866]

How many ships they had? Well at least ArbyXChief i gue- ohhh not that kind of ship

[@majesticwolfyguy6629]

Best comment

[@stephenwood6663]

Hey Eck, I notice that your estimation of the High Charity Defence Fleet doesn't include any escort vessels. While it's true that the battlegroups wielded by Thel 'Vadamee at Alpha Halo (12 CCS-class Battlecruisers) and by Regret at Earth (13 CCS-class Battlecruisers, 2 CAS-class Assault Carriers) didn't include escort vessels, the Halo Fleet Battles game shows us that most standard Covenant Battlegroups, notably the Oathsworn and Harbinger battlegroup-types, contain about a 2-1 ratio of Heavy Corvettes to capital ships.

[@itsyaboidaniel2919]

Replicators vs a Unified Star Wars Universe (All Races and Eras Combined) 152nd Attempt

[@aztecdragon4313]

Yoo what's up boi!!

[@itsyaboidaniel2919]

@@aztecdragon4313 Not much, just suggesting stuff as usual

[@aztecdragon4313]

@@itsyaboidaniel2919 alright

[@cadkls]

Replicators easy. Theyre immune to energy weapons and would simply devour everything in sight.

[@itsyaboidaniel2919]

@@cadkls I'm just suggesting to help someone out who is also suggesting this, but I have heard that before, but I've heard Star Wars stomps also, we'll have to see

[@gadiadrianto1933]

Rip stan lee

[@raidriar1123]

#AskEck Hey Eck, big fan, been watching your channel since the first wave of Starship Versus. My question for you today is: Do you think that if the Prophets had held off on changing the roles of Brutes and Elites near the end of the Human Covenant war they would have been able to win the war? or do you feel that by the end Humanity had a chance to beat them back?

[@MrMcp1995]

If the Great Schism hadn't happened, humanity would be extinct.

[@barrybend7189]

@@MrMcp1995 as well as most of the galaxy.

[@Raptormon132]

#AskEck Ever since the release of the new Star Wars trilogy, I've noticed something that makes no sense, in other words: a plot hole. It's to do with the blue lightsaber that was owned by Anakin Skywalker, then by Luke, and now by Rey. If you remember in Star Wars episode V, Luke loses the blue lightsaber when Darth Vader cut off his hand, and both the saber and his severed hand felling into the gas giant planet of Bespin. We even see it in the movie itself. Then in episode 7, the lightsaber is found and in one piece, with no explanation of where or how the saber survived. If you know about gas giant planets, they are planets that have no solid surface, and have a center where it's so molten hot it that can vaporize pretty much anything. So my question is "Do you agree that the blue lightsaber surviving is a plot hole"?

[@EckhartsLadder]

No, it just hasn't been explained yet.

[@leoriordan9465]

Raptormon OneThreeTwo maz just says a story for another time so i guess it isn’t really, it has an in universe explanation we just don’t see what it is

[@Protorit]

When luke jumped off he landed in a tube shaped vent and he almost slid out if it wasn't for the metal bit to grab onto. Maybe the lightsaber and the hand landed in a different vent that wouldn't send them into the air, or they got caught in a grove and a maintenance worker found it.

[@orrinbranch6063]

@@Protorit They clearly show it falling when luke is hanging. A shot into the void shows his hand falling.

[@loremaster6828]

You just barely figured out how stupid that was? Its the textbook definition of a plothole. It could easily be explained that it fell into a maintenance shaft or something and one of the bespin workers found it and maz kanata bought it later. So yes it's stupid and its too late at this point to fix it

[@CovfefeDotard]

Can you make a gears of war video already

[@conor987]

gears of war has great lore

[@richardjmendozamendoza1051]

No

[@xyro3633]

Are you kidding? It's entirely feasable that High Charity had multiple supercarrier subtypes watching over her. Remember, this is the absolute heart of their empire, and even one supercarrier outfitted for defense would be an unstoppable monster in its own right. We may not have conclusive quotes, but it's quite obvious that the most powerful ships in the Covenant navy would be stationed right at home, guarding the holy capitol.

[@AzzyBoy]

There was a cso in the fleet, but it was destroyed at onyx after it fled to regroup with other elite ships, which was around 100s of ship so the fleet might have been bigger!

[@BalsapphicVinegar]

I had always guessed the fleet defending High Charity had 1029 ships. That number just seemed right. I assumed there were 2-4 CSO supercarriers and a descending order of CAS, CCS, and smaller vessels in the fleet.

[@kineticdeath]

it could have like 200-300 cruisers and carriers but that skips out on all the support vessels like destroyers frigates corvettes and non combat types - transports food/resupply ships if there was say 100 carriers then 2 cruisers per carrier (+200 (and the total of 200-300 cruisers and carriers)) then there could be 1 destroyer per cruiser (+200) then say 2 frigates per destroyer (+400) then finally 2 corvettes per frigate (+800). I'd say around 1700 total combat warships isnt an unreasonable guess. No matter what number of heavy capital ships I would give a force loadout of 1 carrier 2 cruiser 1 destroyer 2 frigate 2 corvette as that removes all possible gaps that could exist in a pure big gun fleet so if 300 carriers then adjust the rest as necessary

[@happydog2905]

800? No no no no no no no 100,000 at least

[@asdfjoe123]

Armistice Day is about the end of WWI. You include an image of a war memorial dated 1939 to 1945. You're within a small rounding error of being off by 30 years mate. Armistice Day 11-11-1918 is about the end of hostilities associated with the First World War.

[@RegretR3]

Unyielding Hierophant was just a battle station and even it had a fleet of around 500. High Charity is the covenant capital and is the home of many prophets... I just can’t see it having anything less than 1000 ships total.

[@renton0915]

More or less a few thousand. The only race that fielded Fleets that goes in the thousands would be Ancient Humanity, Forerunners and ancient San Shyuum.

[@PackHunter117]

3:34 Honestly I think your wrong. CAS ships are not carriers they are Assault Carriers. Whereas the CSOs are super carriers. I would make a lot of sense for the Covenant to have more than one CSO.

[@WSB1469]

Covenant: Our Fleet Is Unstoppable! Flood: Hold My Beer.

[@godzilla5006]

Andorids Compare: Cyberlife, Yorha, Skynet and Institute (Fallout)

[@Jockster109]

SnYNThS AReN't aNdROiDs

[@barrybend7189]

@@Jockster109 yes they are. By general definition.

[@Jockster109]

@@barrybend7189 I mean the Gen 3s aren't.

[@Scorpshee]

1:00 If you look carefully, you can see a shockwave after High Charity leaves Slipspace. Beautiful detail.

[@whiteshark0165]

Covenant at its strongest? Easily a thousand, however likely to be more. CCS and CAS are for sure the most common ships we see however But thanks to halo: Fleet Battles we know at the time of the fall of Reach (when the Covenant was at its strongest) consisted of the following at a minimal: CPV, CCS, RCS, SDV, ADP, DSC, CAS and ORS class. We also know thanks to the conflicts at Harvest and Reach there are several class of capital ships that we never see, including the DDS class carrier, unknown Super-destroyer class, and unknown Battleship class, the CAR class frigate and several as of yet unknown vessel types. It is presumed that there are at least several of these vessels despite only being seen once for each of them. With the Battleship class outgunning the CAS by a factor of several energy projectors. And it is only logical that several if not more of these powerful vessels were part of the High Charity Defense fleet. And presuming that each fleet was initially a member fleet of the High Charity Defence fleet and each fleet consisting of between 15 (Fleet of Sacred Consecration) and 500+ (Unyielding Hierophant fleet) vessels. It's easy to determine that fleets on offensive duties during the Human Covenant war most likely would've been constituents of the High Charity Defense Fleet.

[@Ethan-mn5mk]

Please for your next video do 3 unsc paris class frigate vs 1 venator stardestroyer

[@aceykerr8752]

I think 800-1200 is a good place to start. I think you forget that corvettes are often carried by CAS and CSO class carriers and destroyers are very important in covanant fleets. I like your numbers on carriers and cruisers, but I think you miss a few hundred smaller ships like the destroyers.

[@thorshammer7883]

How would the Covenant fair against the Zerg from Starcraft?

[@TheInspire96]

how does the zerg fair in ship-to-ship combat in the starcraft universe?

[@that_one_helljumper]

“A single ship broke through our defensive barrier”

[@jaimiekasper4466]

Hello eck, I have been gone for wayy too long, another great vid!

[@pi1764]

Munificent-class star frigate vs MC 30 frigate

[@user-Jay178]

Great video that is a lot of ships. You have make good lore videos.

[@AbolaSpartan]

I would say the fleet probably numbered around 1200 ships, ranging from frigates, CPV destroyers (we know the covenant loved those), CCS class and many others. Plus there would be the agricultural ships (we know the small battlegroup that followed the Pillar of Autumn had at least one of those, and that fleet was probably around 20 ships max. Cortana mentioned there was around 4 clusters of 3 CCS class cruisers. So the low number would be 1000 ships guarding High Charity up to 1200 ships. I also think there's at least 3 CSO class supercarriers, which makes one for every 400 ships. Man now I want to see a blur cutscene of the battle over Delta Happy when the flood and great schism took place. Over a thousand ships firing pulse turrets, torpedoes, fighters engaging each other as flood ships ram into the uninfected elite and brute ships to spread. A small group of destroyers over the ring glassing it and struggling as they get overwhelmed by the flood. (I'm talking about that awesome battle in the beginning of Ghosts of Onyx)

[@Jedi_Spartan]

Why is it that Truth decided to have part of Installation 05/"The sacred ring" and yet say that during the battle of Installation 04 the Pillar of Autumn crew "desecrated it with their filthy footsteps" earlier on #AskEck

[@finn4019]

Hey Mr.Eckheart. What about Frigates? And other smaller ships? I know they are usually insignificant in large battles. But in the Halo universe they are both extremly common and numerous. I think it would be good to include at least one ships worth for each five frigates. We know how powerfull the UNSCs frigates can be, so you can imagine how strong a covenant one is.

[@jooot_6850]

He was still Thel' Vadamee at the time 1:49

[@TheInspire96]

isn't that what he said? i'm sure i'm missing something.

[@jooot_6850]

he said thel vadam, it's a tiny nitpick but whatever

[@SchneeflockeMonsoon]

Do you think that Stargate has any chance of being in a top spot when not going 1 on 1 ships in a factions compared? #AskEck

[@TheInspire96]

they beat most universes in hyperspace travel, being able to go from earth in the milky way galaxy to atlantis in the pegasus galaxy in a matter of weeks. i think they were up against star wars, star trek, halo, and w40k in one of eck's videos.

[@YnossZaperator]

In this case, the High Charity defense fleet would as large as the Combined Fleet of Righteous Purpose (200x4 = 800 ships)

[@HKgunner]

Remembrance Day I think is more similar to the US holiday Memorial Day than Veterans Day. Veterans day is about those who have served while Memorial Day is about those who paid the ultimate sacrifice

[@AdmiralKevinKiwi]

The prophet of Truth planned to send an massive fleet to earth with a little over 500 ships. It would have gone far beyond a thousand ships as you include the fleet from high charity. Though as I understand it should these two fleets combined attack the Earth in late October or in the beginning of November 2552. I think? X3

[@NormanconEVE]

Oh i never noticed you where Canadian

[@potatomodem1079]

Stafcraft protoss plssszzzsss

[@o_o-037]

Whilst his vs videos have halo winning most (but not all) competitions, I don't think the covenant will come out on top in the next video given their quantity of ships.

[@Burner_1-one]

I'm just sitting here at work, playng motorsport maneger, and watching eck, because NONE of my co-workers has showed up. Am I alone in this situation?

[@Midironica]

Wait, EckhartsLadder is Canadian? Woof...

[@HaloFTW55]

I now question how many YTbers I follow are also Canadian.

[@FrostyWheats]

This video gives me an idea: Battle breakdown for the Battle of High Charity during the Covenant Schism Not sure if it’s possible but it’d be interesting

[@uniwaffle6190]

#AskEck so i've been thinking a lot about TIEs and which one (if i were palpatine) i would make the standard issue starfighter in the empire- so thats my question if you were palpatine, what starfighter would you use as the standard for your fleet. assuming you have unlimeted funds and technology.

[@corvus263]

Covenant cruiser types

[@StarBornMichael]

#AskEck Would you ever do this Fleet battle (45th request) 1 CAS Class Assault Carrier with 4 CSS Class Battlecruisers and 4 SDV-class heavy corvettes VS 1 Bellator Class Super Star Destroyer (yes i look it up and the Bellator Class has Fighters about 100 of them) 4 Imperial 2 class Star Destroyers and 4 Dreadnought Class Heavy cruisers (theses ships use to be Victory 2 class Star Destroyers but that would give the Empire too much an edge in the battle so i made them Dreadnought class Heavy cruisers instated too make it equal in a way)

[@bradavery8121]

Love your videos! I was curious about how many CSO class ships the covenant had produced? I only knew of the cso at reach...

[@ugipse]

Going by with games only, the fleet that destroyed Reach was described as twenty times bigger than the fleet of 15 that attacked Earth. I.e. 750. So the High Charity defence fleet by Cortana’s description was noticeably larger. I always thought it was at least 1,000.

[@badgerbro1172]

Yuzzhan Vong versus the Necrond galactic versus Perfect army/fleet for other Sci Fi universes

[@DCPTF2]

Largest home fleet?, Battle fleet Solar would win that

[@Shadow-kd2wu]

Why do I have a feeling that they'd be way over more than 2k especially for high charity and the amount of species and there sheer numbers they had alone

[@brycedurand2921]

#AskEck what has been your favorite series (factions compared, battle breakdowns, etc.) to make and why?

[@DoctorKalkyl]

R.I.P. Stan Lee!

[@Jockster109]

You have poppies in Canada too? Awesome.

[@nicholassas4201]

Type-47A(H2) scarab vs type-47B(H3,reach,odst) scarab vs Banished scarab vs Volatile scarab

[@mason3872]

How much money will you give to charity today sir Me- ummmm Yes

[@brucejedilee5290]

High Charity defense fleet vs the Byss defense fleet. The Supremacy with escort fleet vs the Covenants Fleet of Particular Justice. Grand Admiral Thrawns fleet at Atollon vs Admiral Trenchs fleet at Christophsis.

[@reginaldshort8486]

6 CAS 24 ORS 96 DDS 192 CCS Battlecruisers 288 Frigates 288 Light Cruisers and 106 support vessels.

[@InameAsOne]

I can't remember the exact words, but there was something in Halo: Shadow of Intent (from Halo: Fractures) that mentioned the fleet combat during the schism and fall of High Charity to the Flood. The way it was spoken made it seem like Jiralhanae ships outnumbered Sangheili by ~1.5:1, and I *think* they mentioned a rough estimate of the number of ships in combat. I'd have to re-read it to get a better idea of it.

[@glynnisbaird1041]

Do the best scout vehicles

[@spartansilverteam]

Few things, first off Destroyers? Corvettes? Battleships? Second, id expect more than 1 CSO, probably about 5-10.

[@ekhidna4]

I'd say 1200-1400 taking into account anything from corvettes, frigates, destroyers, and other such ships.

[@kennynito235]

Yuuzhen vong vs the flood who would win?

[@itsyaboidaniel2919]

He already made a video on this

[@Asko83]

It is more than likely that the defense fleet for High charity had a core fleet but was also always bolstered by other fleets that were visiting it. Ships that are put in reserve due to not being needed could be brought to High Charity as it was the most important base for Covenant. Being so important for commerce and religious purposes as well there would be patrols and military fleets arriving and leaving constantly for vast number of reasons and each of those fleets and flotillas could be ordered to help defend High Charity if needed. I could believe the total number of warships near High Charity at any given time being well over 1000 though many of these would not be permanently assigned there. In this High Charity is similar to Eldar Craft worlds. Those too have a defense fleet that is nothing to sneer at but there are also Eldar corsairs and other fleets and lone ships always visiting the Craft worlds and therefore the amount of ships that they can muster for defense is much greater than just the defense fleet.

[@rubentovar462]

High Charity is huge! it will need much more than 800 ships just to defend it closely... it will also need long-distance protection...

[@thomasl6718]

EckhartsLadder I'd like to see a halo scorpion versus a Republic AT TE comparison thanks!

[@cominguponinfra-red3038]

Replicators vs a Unified Star Wars universe (373rd try now, *_I._** WILL NEEEEVER EEEVER GIVE UP!!!)*

[@Scortch-lo3xy]

keep going

[@greaterhalo0659]

Rip Stan Lee

[@Scortch-lo3xy]

@@greaterhalo0659 yeah rip

[@Incred_Canemian]

According to Halo Warfleet High Charity has a compliment of "Numbers beyond counting". Do with that information what you will.

[@stephenpeterson6694]

#askeck could you do a video on this question: Could the Galactic Empire, Imperium of Man, UNSC, Systems Alliance, Citadel Council members species and Rebel Alliance working together have defeated and survived a Reaper Invasion?

[@Jacob562622]

IDK if you still take video suggestions, but you could do a faction warfare "who has the best tank" video. Like the CIS AAT, Lemun Russ from 40K, UNSC Scorpian tank, and soviet Apocalypse tank (red Alert universe) that might be cool

[@dianabarnett6886]

I'd say 1000 ships minimum. Likely a few hundred more. This IS the center of their civilization, after all.

[@Pulsar047]

I think It needs a few more ORS, RCS, CPV, RPV, CAR and SDV class warships personally. Their fleet isn't so homogeneous as the games would lead you believe.

[@dragonthefirelord]

Video idea: Could Offensive Bias' fleet successfully invade Terra (Warhammer 40k)?

[@chomper720]

#askeck 3rd try, what would do better in a space battle 100 of the Zeon MS-06 Zaku space type or 100 of the imperial Tie Fighter? Which side would win head to head and why? Starfighters vs Mobile Suits what is better? :3

[@Trevor-ig1cj]

Another question for you, what do think would happen if the CIS actually won the battle of Coruscant, despite Palpatine’s plans? #askEck

[@itsyaboidaniel2919]

SkyNet vs The Flood 203rd Attempt Scenario: SkyNet beats the resistance, and after that it is alerted of the Flood coming to Earth, and it is given a basic rundown on what the Flood is and what it does, it gets 3 Years to militarize and prepare for the Floods arrival, The Flood will arrive using High Charity's, including it's fleets, weapons, and so on, in Scenario 1a it gets 5 High Charity's, in Scenario 1b it gets 10 High Charity's, and in Scenario 1c it gets 20 High Charities, The Flood may not use the Logic Plague on SkyNet, SkyNet may not travel back in time and just constantly give pre-Flood War SkyNet better and better stuff and information, If SkyNet can survive until Scenario 1c then I personally say that it would win, although if that is not enough each scenario could in fact be a wave that SkyNet has to destroy, which would make 35 High Charity's in total, and each wave would come a week after the wave before it was totally destroyed, giving SkyNet the chance to regroup and analyze whatever data it received from the battle, whether it be more efficient ways to kill Flood Forms or even gathering and using/reverse engineering Covenant Technology for its own use,

[@itsyaboidaniel2919]

SkyNet vs The Flood 201st Attempt Scenario: SkyNet beats the resistance, and after that it is alerted of the Flood coming to Earth, and it is given a basic rundown on what the Flood is and what it does, it gets 3 Years to militarize and prepare for the Floods arrival, The Flood will arrive using High Charity's, including it's fleets, weapons, and so on, in Scenario 1a it gets 5 High Charity's, in Scenario 1b it gets 10 High Charity's, and in Scenario 1c it gets 20 High Charities, The Flood may not use the Logic Plague on SkyNet, SkyNet may not travel back in time and just constantly give pre-Flood War SkyNet better and better stuff and information, If SkyNet can survive until Scenario 1c then I personally say that it would win, although if that is not enough each scenario could in fact be a wave that SkyNet has to destroy, which would make 35 High Charity's in total, and each wave would come a week after the wave before it was totally destroyed, giving SkyNet the chance to regroup and analyze whatever data it received from the battle, whether it be more efficient ways to kill Flood Forms or even gathering and using/reverse engineering Covenant Technology for its own use,