The True Size of the High Charity Defense Fleet | Halo Lore

[@cookiemuffin3208]

High Charity: Has biggest covenant fleet anyone has ever seen Flood:*Its free real estate*

[@Jockster109]

*Minister of discovery writes a parchment and commits oof.

[@noble6791]

LOL

[@bargainbin6162]

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[@Ragebabyalan]

High Charity: Has biggest covenant fleet anyone has ever seen Me: “weird flex but okay”

[@ln7929]

@@Ragebabyalan less of flex more of a fact

[@MrMcp1995]

In Halo: Silent Storm, a Sangheili officer states that High Charity's defense fleet was a dozen times larger than his own fleet of around 100 ships. So the number is approximately 1,200.

[@davehale3992]

MrMcp1995 you should also compare that number to the fleet at reach.

[@Baikanon]

It seems like there’s still a large margin of error there; if the officer’s fleet is closer to 90 than 100, that drops the fleet size closer to 1,000. And he could mean 11 times, but a dozen just rolls of the tongue easier (proverbially speaking). That said, I think it’s pretty clearly around 1,000, with a margin of error on either size.

[@shingshongshamalama]

If we assume that each carrier would be operating within a strikegroup, and taking this convenient guesstimate of 2:5 so let's say each battlegroup has 2 carriers, 5 cruisers, and then a contingent of supporting frigates and screening vessels perhaps eight to ten in total. A hundred individual battlegroups would quickly mass up to about 1700 total ships. Two hundred CAS super-carriers, five hundred cruisers, and about a thousand smaller ships. But then again, the force distribution of Covenant naval assets isn't totally clear. Maybe they don't use that much in the way of screening or support vessels for their capital ships. Even with a ratio closer to 2:5:5 that still gives us roughly 1200 ships in total and about 700 total capital ships.

[@scytheseven9173]

Perhaps he was referring to tonnage instead of just ship number, as it could have been something like eight times the number of ships but with larger ships making up the fleet.

[@sinofren8406]

800 is too small. Give easily 1000,

[@Servellion]

Apparently supercarrier is a term that applies to ships over a certain length. It actually includes CAS Assault Carriers. Also the spine of High Charity also played host to thousands of Energy projectors (Lances of the Faithful) so on top of the massive fleet, High Charity was rocking absolutely stupid amounts of firepower.

[@captainmauser8527]

Halo Mythos says that High Charity has 8,930 Umbilical Tethers on it. Also only Cruisers and Carriers seems to be questionable as during a few of the books it mentioned Destroyers, Frigates, and many other craft being in and around High Charity too.

[@iona2225]

Most of those were probably for civilian traffic, commerce and non-governmental or evangelical use :)

[@captainmauser8527]

Prehaps, but it said "hundreds of ships from thousands of worlds." The rest would account for visiting fleets and its personal fleet which, as we saw in a terminal can stay in High Charities dome as well, further increasing its capacity. As a side note I hope we get to see the Covenant version of Seawise Giant. That thing should be bigger than a CSO as should any Covie cruise ships, other mass bulk ships, and rescource transports for an Empire that advanced and vast.

[@iona2225]

David James Oh I see, thanks!

[@captainmauser8527]

No problem 🙂

[@TheAstrobiologistOW]

What many people seem to miss is that until Installation 04 was destroyed, the Covenant (as a whole, not the Hierarchs, since they knew why they had declared war in the first place) didn’t consider humanity a serious threat. They sent a number of fleets our way but the everyday life of most members of the Covenant weren’t affected by the war at all; we were just another bug to squash that they paid some attention to on their path to salvation. The exact number of Covenant warships in active use was absolutely staggering, but because they didn’t consider us worth the effort and they’re fleet was so extremely spread out, it didn’t make sense to go all-our war on us. I’d also mention that having hundreds of CSOs isn’t impossible or even unlikely. In Silent Storm we see that the construction of CSOs wasn’t exactly as significant or limited as we once thought, since the Covenant seemed hardly bothered by its destruction instead caring about the orbital station encircling the planet that was destroyed. That said, it seems like they weren’t used in the High Charity defense fleet, instead being spread out across the empire’s sphere of influence as the flagships for major territorial control fleets far from High Charity

[@tristanbackup2536]

This! People forgotten that the Covenant is massive with thier sphere of influence easily goes around 2000+ light years. Basically they owned the entire orion arm, hundreds of clusters. Humanity barely has 60 light years maximum of controlled space of one cluster or two & we were getting a*se kick handicapped. Work that out with how many solar systems within that controlled space with resources & the means of manufacturing, the number of ships easily have to be 10,000+ at minimum along with a minimum of 1000 at High Charity alone. The games & books only showed a fraction of the number of ships & fleets.

[@turtle5086]

I dont think thats necessarily true if at all because the covenant believe it or not did suffer ALOT against their campaign against the humans including MANY ships. Considering it wasnt uncommon for covenant to suffer more naval losses then the unsc ranging from 20 to 500 ships being lost in a naval strike. This even led to turmoil within the covenant near the end of the war, as to the why the war was even necessarily in the first place because of the extreme loss of assets, resources, ships men etc.. against an enemy that proved more then worthy to be apart of their empire. By the end of the war the covenant or what was left of them was essentially nothing in comparison to what they where, like they had nothing to compensate for them after high charity since almost all of it was wiped out by humanity.

[@ROFLobster4884]

It’s worth mentioning that by the time the human-covenant war ended, between the battle with humanity, the schism and the flood, almost nothing remained of the Covenant navy. The few remaining warlords that could still use them, mostly pulled them from mothballed depots or mutinied crews fleeing the schism/humanity. Either a whole lot of them got destroyed by humanity, or they didn’t have as much as we thought to begin with. Considering between Admiral Cole’s last stand and the crew of the Gettysburg destroying the entire Earth invasion fleet... probably a thousand covenant ships were destroyed, I’d venture to say they very well knew they were taking too many losses against humanity.

[@MrBlue99912]

I agree with this, our single solar system combined probably has 30× the resources earth has humanity had 2000 ships at the beginning of the war so they had the numbers for the little decisive victories and built at least around a thousand more it was probably individual administrations as we know the covenant wasn't a fully unified centralized state it was religious cross species alliance or coalition it had individual governments administrations planetoids had they're own mini society's and rules the covenant had septuple the resources humanity had best estimate is between 3000 to 6000 they had ships protecting every solar system it was probably administrations and planets debating fighting humanity or not they did have problems with rebellions and revolts and heretic factions every administration government and planet colony wanted control over the great journey there was infighting why waste ships and armies on a pest civilization when you have constant internal struggles rebels and power hungry leaders if they really wanted they could send a massive flotilla and destroy humanity don't forget they were also looking for artifacts across the galaxy always searching and we know that it was only a anti piracy administration that mainly fought against humanity the only time they sent a huge invasion fleet with immense assets was at the fall of reach where the covenant actually took humanity as a threat the schism was across the Covenant empire not just a small rebellion the sangheili were the main backbone and leadership of covenant truth if not for the elites would wiped humanity out instantaneously it was a miracle that the covenant and truth lost at all it makes sense there are barely any working ships let alone shipyard factories the they were truly struggling before and during HC war the schism ended any industry and unity they had left genociding humanity wasn't because the elites couldn't take it they were focused on other issues and thought they would be better as a new soldier or slave species addition to the covenant they weren't worried about taking to many casualties or losing they didn't want to be stretched out even by a smidge bit

[@cavefox117]

There is one thing to consider. The covenant lived mostly in habitats, artificial environments. Their aren't nearly enough worlds that are 100% naturally fully liveable. And they have shown an extreme lack of ingenuity. So while their Empire was large, it was hollow. Permanent planets to live on give a much greater power base than a statbase or ship. Because without the prophets most of their tech breaks down. Otherwise the Covenant would not merely have crumbled as quickly as it did.

[@badmoth242xl3]

Who would win: The greatest Covenant fleet and its holy city capital Or One zombie octopus boi Edit: My school didn’t even MENTION the centennial of WW1. The Students were the ones who talked about it

[@coke2k140]

Badmoth242 Xl same here sad no one is talking about ww1 guess that generation died out sad that no one will probably talk about ww2 when it has its 100 year Anniversary because most of the people that were there are dead or dying

[@palekoc8697]

Your school doesn't have the high ground and it's only mass for the unity/flood/lambent, see ya later space cowboy, call me when you wanna die anywhere else

[@matthalo871]

It's hard for most people imagine ww1 I was lucky to have a great grandfather that survived in the last year of it and what he saw was horrors beyond belief

[@CrackDCat]

Well bloody done mate, I remember back in my school in Australia. every ANZAC and remembrance day we would have to stand and honour the fallen with a minute of silence while the last post played over the speakers.

[@gravemind6536]

I beat High Charity by sending Chief off to start a civil war inside as a distraction, the fleet began destroying itself and I bypassed the entire fleet by teleporting directly into High Charity.

[@alec-md1zo]

I actually love this channel been watching it for years

[@kucsidavee]

that is very interesting, considering that it is not even 2 years ago that Eck started making videos...

[@alec-md1zo]

@@kucsidavee yea cus may 26 2014 is less than two years

[@blo0dthirstt_phinsupxxx868]

Agreed, but ew bills suck

[@alec-md1zo]

@@blo0dthirstt_phinsupxxx868 agreed. I made this account when I was like 10 and I used to love them but now I'm to lazy to change it lol

[@kucsidavee]

@@alec-md1zo Yeah, now look at the first video's time... February 2017

[@MajoraZ]

I strongly disagree with the assertion that it would only have a single CSO supercarrier. The Fleet of Valiant Prudence, (as much as I think making it a separate fleet from Particular Justice makes no sense) was basically just an expeditionary archaeological recon fleet of small enough size to be unnoticed by the Reach Orbital Defense network and it had a CSO. I'd expect at least 1 CSO per sub-fleet in the High Charity Defense fleet, perhaps as many as 2-3 per.

[@assistantmagus5213]

I'm sceptical they even had that many. We only know of about 3, and granted they would've rather used them to defend high charity than attack us, I doubt they had more than around 10 total during the war, certainly during the schism pretty much all were destroyed, but i think if they had quite a few the war would've went a bit differently, especially since they likely would've been under elite control

[@ONEIL311]

I would say 3 or 4 there were two high prophets there in halo 2 and the elite council. So each major faction leader should have one there.

[@assistantmagus5213]

@@ONEIL311 That's assuming there was that many made and their main purpose was to be a flagship though, I doubt they made that many or used them for that purpose because Eck said that they'd likely be used for offensive roles and not limited to defence, and i agree tbh their size and firepower means they'd be wasted in a defensive fleet which already has hundreds of carriers

[@ONEIL311]

@thatguyyousawinasda exactly they are flag ships. The high prophets would each have one because regret had one. So there is 2. The elite council leader would have one because he’s the supreme commander of the covenant military. Plus the internal politics of the time. So there is 3 and arbiter had his taken away in the beginning of halo 2 and that was given to tartus by truth and taken to delta halo which was then stolen by the ship master during the last missions of halo 2. So there is at least 4 during the events of halo 2 maybe 5 because regrets carrier wasn’t destroyed that we know. Defense and offense doesn’t matter. We are talking about a highly militarized covenant where military power is based on class. You’re telling me when the elites council leadership wouldn’t have one or the high prophets? They are a symbol of power and theses leaders wouldn’t go anywhere without them.

[@assistantmagus5213]

@@ONEIL311 Except if regret did have one he didn't use it himself, nor was it a part of his fleet. I don't think they would have one each because they were used solo to attack/scout reach etc. I believe the halo 2 thing you mentioned isn't in the game, we never see one during halo 2. and to my knowledge there wasn't one at delta halo either. Regret's carrier wasnt a supercarrier. The wiki says multiple defended high charity, but im not sure where that came from because im pretty sure it wasnt there last i checked and im not sure if theres a source, theres only two names supercarriers that we know of and they were both destroyed before the great schism.

[@lordfrostwind3151]

Royal Guard brawl! Which scifi faction has the best honor/praetorian guard, Sangheili Honor Guard (Halo), Imperial Royal Guard (Star Wars), Imperial Sardukar (Dune), Theron Palace Guards (Gears of War)?

[@noble6791]

Need to hear which one wins

[@lordfrostwind3151]

@NightRaven 1901 The Sardaukar are vastly underappreciated, I still love the part in the David Lynch movie where the Emperor orders “release the Sardaukar!" How many troops are ever released into battle? Even if they performed poorly on foot against worms almost half the size of a star destroyers.

[@Aplesedjr]

The Theron guard is fucked. They’re pretty capable against humans, but everyone else there has far superior everything.

[@Exxane]

Fuck all your shit. Adeptus Custodes.

[@lordfrostwind3151]

@@Aplesedjr I wouldn't underestimate the Theron, I mean the Torque Bows alone would be a pretty good match for most the heavy personal weapons in Star Wars, long reload and charge time not withstanding, and biologically they and their weapons like reavers and bloodmounts can be pretty hardy. Exxane Yeah the Custodes pretty much curb stomp anything, that's why I had to take them out of the match, hands down the Emperor's Golden Boys are the toughest guard unit in almost any fictional universe.

[@AneurysmSauce]

But cmon, the covenant had way more than just ccs cruisers and cas carriers. You’re forgetting destroyers, corvettes, frigates, etc. I’d say you highballed the number of carriers an cruisers and low balled the overall number of the fleet. I always thought the fleet would be 1000+ strong since it had two stationed fleets. The only reason I base that at around 1000 is because of the fleet we see at the unyielding hierophant. These ships would’ve been with an aggregate of fleets at High Charity before they moved to fight humanity. You’re supposed to be putting the covenant at its strongest, remember?

[@centerofattention5783]

Is it weird that I read this comment in Hank Hill's voice?

[@AneurysmSauce]

Center of Attention not at all haha

[@johnusas2870]

I agree forgetting about Frigates like the CRS not being mentioned the Destroyer class of warship was a position of shame and stationed at the far edges of covenant space and weren't allowed near High Charity.

[@AneurysmSauce]

john USAS ahh didn’t know that. That’s pretty interesting though

[@wilburforce8046]

AneurysmSauce yea, for some reason destroyers were only crewed by the “fuckups” of the covenant. Which is weird because they deployed one in halo wars (which saw a battle so important that their arbiter and a prophet were present)

[@wojakc7745]

Covenant: We finna wipe humanity The great schism and the flood: I'mma end this man's whole career

[@thesparduck117]

I’d give High Charity about 2000+ ships. 1,500 CCS Class Battlecruiser 800 SDV Heavy Corvettes 300 CAS Class Assault Carriers 40 Super cruisers 15 CSO Super carriers

[@just-there]

This seems right to me

[@jasons1257]

Hey Eck, thanks for using one of last suggestions, I have some new ones for you. Battle breakdown of battle of Naboo Battle breakdown of battle of Battle of Yavin (time of exar Kun) Battle breakdown of occupation of Mon Cala (18 bby) Battle breakdown of operation ringbreaker Battle breakdown of battle of Malachor V Battle Breakdown of assault on Starkiller base Battle of deepspace besh 5 largest upset battles (small forces beats big one) Eck's top 5 favorite space battles Eck's top 5 favorite land battles Also incase you didn't see the here are some of my previous suggestions. A history of the Reaper SSD The death of Ardus Kaine The major star wars ship yards/ ship building companies (Incomm, Republic engineering, KDY...) Battle breakdown of battle of Borleias (x-wing series) Continue coverage of Yuzhann Vong war Battle of Umbara Viscount Vs. 2 bellators Viscount vs. Something else cool

[@mcstompwaffle]

If the Reach fleet was fifty times the size of the fleet that attacked earth, and that has 15 ships, the Charity fleet was at the very least, 750 ships strong.

[@zonnodon163]

Nope, the number of CSOs aren't fully stated. So it won't just be only two or three they ever had. It's more like every big fleet had at least one. So it makes sense that this fleet would have around two, before the Great Schism happened. Although it makes me wonder how many battleships and frigates this fleet would have? Also you could also use the old graphics to showcase the fleet jumping in through slipspace. It definitely shows the number much better in the sky.

[@kennethkates3140]

Personal shield technology compared Dune Halo Mass Effect and Star Wars

[@corydorton2660]

Definitely that would be interesting

[@DracaNova]

And Stargate

[@MM-zg4wu]

And Stargate. Dont forget about old Stargate. Star Treck also can be.

[@myduckisonqauck7227]

Haven't read dune. Halo Mass effect Star wars

[@griffin5653]

That is hard to say, I'm going to have to go with Dune because the only way past a personal shield is close combat but I'm not really sure, it's been a while since I read the book.

[@nobleman9393]

Which Sci-Fi faction has the best heavy infantry | Geth, Terran Dominion, Astra Militarum, Grand Army of the Republic.

[@wilburforce8046]

Geth are first or second, their preaty freakin op

[@lordfrostwind3151]

For the Astra Militarum would that be armored fist mechanized units, stormtroopers/scions or Ogryns?

[@christiandauz3742]

Scions would be considered Elite troops Ogryns would fit the Heavy Role

[@Exxane]

Warhammer.

[@christiandauz3742]

What is the heavy infantry for each faction? I can't guess the one for the Republic

[@alexspain9103]

Galactic versus suggestion: Rakatan infinite empire vs the flood. I think the infinite empire is one of the only factions in star wars that could stand a chance against the flood due to a combination of lack of galactic advancement at the time resulting in hyperspace technology being far less common inhibiting the initial infection, and the infinite empire's unique characteristics like being comprised entirely of force users that would rapidly detect the floods presence. The biggest thing is however, the fact that unlike every other faction, the Rakatan's can match the Flood's rate of production. A single star forge is capable of mass producing weapons of war at a rate that is at the very least equal to, if not greater than, the entirety of the old republic at the time. I also do not believe that the Rakatans would stop at one forge in this instance, one is certainly enough to police their empire, but when faced with the flood I believe that they would rapidly produce as many as possible in order to outproduce the flood. Whether by making an ever expanding and impenetrable maginot line, or by overwhelming and fully blockading every individual system, I think the Rakatans would eventually win a war of attrition. The only way I can see the flood winning this, is by a combination of dumb luck and extremely precise strategy, or by technological advancement. By technological advancement I mean the possibility of the flood forming key minds and later what I call "ascendant minds", which are to the key minds what the key minds are to the graveminds, and using them to facilitate their own advancement in technology to the degree that they can create weapons powerful enough to take on the quite literally infinite military of the infinite empire.

[@BarbecueBaconBurger0]

The flood took on the forerunners and ancient humanity at the same time lmao. They casually take over the entire Star Wars universe

[@monarch3335]

Cylons (second war) vs UNSC (2525 era) Edit for the video: I would give about 1000-2000 (maybe 1200-1500) ships, with in excess of five CSO supercarriers and many more carriers and cruisers. The Halo wiki states that the Second Fleet of Homogenous Clarity "numbered in the thousands of warships". This, to me, seems quite reasonable as the Covenant are stated to have as many as ten-thousand ships in their overall navy.

[@GHawkinsOneSix]

I think that's a pretty easy one depending on how you actually want to play it; Scenario 1: Total win Cylons because they would effectively be able to win an AI fight against those of the UNSC. And even though a UNSC AI is a powerful one, the Cylons are effectively living AIs. Once the Cylons win the AI battle, they simply do as they did the Colonials and shut down the UNSC fleet. Since the UNSC AIs can have full control over all ship systems, it'd be a walk in the park for the Cylons to vent the atmosphere of all ships, turn the weapon systems of the ships against things they can't hack and win the day. Scenario 2: Total win UNSC, because the Cylons weren't able to defeat the UNSC AIs. If the UNSC AIs are able to counter the Cylon intrusion, the UNSC's ships could easily pulverise the Cylon fleet. The damage the Battlestar Pegasus did with its main battery against a Cylon basestar was spectacular, now consider almost every UNSC warship equipped with such a battery (its MAC gun). The Cylons have no countermeasures against the relatively slow moving slugs fired by Pegasus and Galactica. They sure won't be able to live long enough to regret that mistake when the slug is moving at 30 km/s.

[@MajoraZ]

The Halo Wikia is not reliable, use Halopedia instead. The part of First Strike the Wikia site cites for the Second Fleet of Homogenous Clarity "numbering in the thousands" actually states hundreds.

[@oniagent391]

I actually think the covenant nave had thousands of ships before the war

[@stubbornspaceman7201]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@GHawkinsOneSix you think that a CYLON could beat a UNSC AI then you are delusional. If the cylons needed a back door to infiltrate the colonial fleet then they would do squat to the UNSC. Especially since the UNSC unlike the 12 colonies does use a stupid CNP. And I’m pretty sure UNSC ships use close networks so no amount of cylons hacking-wank is going to allow them to infiltrate a UNSC ship. Also UNSC smart ai can think in the nanoseconds. Also most UNSC ai can’t do certain things without permission from a crew member. Countering the cylons infiltration “attempts” will as easy as pie for even a dumb ai.

[@Dingusdoofus]

F for Stan Lee’s death

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[@barrybend7189]

Best mainline mech: UN Spacey(SDF Macross) Earth Federation(UC Gundam) The Clans(Battletech) Terran Dominion( Starcraft)

[@CrescentGuard]

My read on that one: 1) UN Spacey 2) The Clans 3) Terran Dominion 4) Earth Federation Spacey's easy to explain: mobility advantage. Even if they hit lighter than the others, they're simply overwhelmingly faster (unless we're talking things like the Tomahawk, at which point we get into the ugly relationship between Battletech and Macross, and nobody wants that). Now, I could use several examples for the Clans, but for sake of argument, I'll use the Timber Wolf. It's heavily-armed with good long-to-mid-range firepower, fast, and heavily-armored. Now, it's hard to put a comparative pricetag on Starcraft units like the Thor, but the Thor is without question slower and probably more expensive than the Timber Wolf, without having significantly better weapons, especially at long range. If we talk smaller mechs, then that argument gets even worse, as the Battletech Shadow Cat or Storm Hawk would just trounce anything in a comparative weight class. The Viking is more versatile, but on the ground it would just be ground up and spit out by even a lightweight Clan mech. As for Gundam, well... most mainline mobile suits that aren't gundams are just bad. They generally have a single laser rifle and maybe some missiles if they're lucky. Both the Thor and Timber Wolf hilariously outgun most machines we'd be talking about, and they're generally pretty fragile by comparison. They *are* faster, but it's not the overwhelming contrast provided by Macross. That's just my view though, I'm all for other arguments.

[@barrybend7189]

@@CrescentGuard actually Macross and Battletech fans are furious about Harmony Gold basically saying that because the Thor Battle mech and the Tomahawk Destroid look similar they are breaking copyright. But us fans say no shit they look similar they were designed by the same person.

[@barrybend7189]

@@CrescentGuard you forget that the Terrans have the Valkyrie a high mobility ground/air combat mech half the price of the Thor(why is it that everyone calls the heavy mech Thor?)

[@CrescentGuard]

@@barrybend7189 Oh, I'm well aware of the Macross-Battletech situation, I was just trying to sidestep it. And yeah, I know there were other mechs, I was using the Viking as a point of reference; my point was more to do with the smaller Terran mechs being kinda weak. Though yeah, that's a good point about the Thor's. I suppose everyone loves ZHE HAMMAH!

[@HaloFTW55]

Also highly dependent on the era that the UC Gundam is set in. 0097 would obviously have better Mechs than 0078.

[@kennethkates3140]

2 Harrower Dreadnaughts vs 1 Imperial Star Destroyer

[@LordOceanus]

do you realize there is like 8000 years between those ships?

[@sir_dreadlord_on_blitz7042]

Star wars tech stagnated pretty much in that time

[@dianabarnett6886]

Star Wars tech has been largely unchanged for thousands and thousands of years. It fluctuates a bit (those massive galactic wars tend to mess everything up), but it's mostly been the way its been longer than human civilization has existed here on Earth.

[@reffzorakee694]

LORDOceanus it’s actually 3600 years not 8000

[@WSB1469]

Covenant: Our Fleet Is Unstoppable! Flood: Hold My Beer.

[@Scorpshee]

1:00 If you look carefully, you can see a shockwave after High Charity leaves Slipspace. Beautiful detail.

[@loganwhatnot3698]

Been loving these last few videos, favorite halo/star wars channel!

[@renton0915]

More or less a few thousand. The only race that fielded Fleets that goes in the thousands would be Ancient Humanity, Forerunners and ancient San Shyuum.

[@RegretR3]

Unyielding Hierophant was just a battle station and even it had a fleet of around 500. High Charity is the covenant capital and is the home of many prophets... I just can’t see it having anything less than 1000 ships total.

[@fulcrumflare]

Cool video, and accurate guess I'd say. Now about your answers to the questions, coming from a veteran who lives in America, I can tell you that Veterans Day here is about more than just 'discounts' for vets at stores and restaurants and such. Yeah the main focus is to honor vets as a whole, but it's also about honoring all service members alike, past and present, and remembering those who are no longer with us, though that is mainly what Memorial Day is for. You make it sound like your Canadian 'Remembrance Day' is more important than our Veterans Day when really they're both important.

[@kineticdeath]

it could have like 200-300 cruisers and carriers but that skips out on all the support vessels like destroyers frigates corvettes and non combat types - transports food/resupply ships if there was say 100 carriers then 2 cruisers per carrier (+200 (and the total of 200-300 cruisers and carriers)) then there could be 1 destroyer per cruiser (+200) then say 2 frigates per destroyer (+400) then finally 2 corvettes per frigate (+800). I'd say around 1700 total combat warships isnt an unreasonable guess. No matter what number of heavy capital ships I would give a force loadout of 1 carrier 2 cruiser 1 destroyer 2 frigate 2 corvette as that removes all possible gaps that could exist in a pure big gun fleet so if 300 carriers then adjust the rest as necessary

[@stephenwood6663]

Hey Eck, I notice that your estimation of the High Charity Defence Fleet doesn't include any escort vessels. While it's true that the battlegroups wielded by Thel 'Vadamee at Alpha Halo (12 CCS-class Battlecruisers) and by Regret at Earth (13 CCS-class Battlecruisers, 2 CAS-class Assault Carriers) didn't include escort vessels, the Halo Fleet Battles game shows us that most standard Covenant Battlegroups, notably the Oathsworn and Harbinger battlegroup-types, contain about a 2-1 ratio of Heavy Corvettes to capital ships.

[@DimoB8]

RIP Stan Lee!

[@TheSlayer.]

fuck off

[@riograndenationalist8726]

@@TheSlayer. no u

[@xyro3633]

@@TheSlayer. Bruh

[@thefourthcrusader2117]

@@TheSlayer. Fuck you bitch.

[@futureboy6920]

DB 2310 THE ONE ABOVE ALL IS DEAD,WE CAN BE THE STRONGEST CHARACTER EVA

[@jaimiekasper4466]

Hello eck, I have been gone for wayy too long, another great vid!

[@AzzyBoy]

There was a cso in the fleet, but it was destroyed at onyx after it fled to regroup with other elite ships, which was around 100s of ship so the fleet might have been bigger!

[@BalsapphicVinegar]

I had always guessed the fleet defending High Charity had 1029 ships. That number just seemed right. I assumed there were 2-4 CSO supercarriers and a descending order of CAS, CCS, and smaller vessels in the fleet.

[@iann399]

Never knew that you were a fellow Canadian 😂😂. I also enjoy watching the videos you upload and this is definitely one of my favourite youtube channels

[@AbolaSpartan]

I would say the fleet probably numbered around 1200 ships, ranging from frigates, CPV destroyers (we know the covenant loved those), CCS class and many others. Plus there would be the agricultural ships (we know the small battlegroup that followed the Pillar of Autumn had at least one of those, and that fleet was probably around 20 ships max. Cortana mentioned there was around 4 clusters of 3 CCS class cruisers. So the low number would be 1000 ships guarding High Charity up to 1200 ships. I also think there's at least 3 CSO class supercarriers, which makes one for every 400 ships. Man now I want to see a blur cutscene of the battle over Delta Happy when the flood and great schism took place. Over a thousand ships firing pulse turrets, torpedoes, fighters engaging each other as flood ships ram into the uninfected elite and brute ships to spread. A small group of destroyers over the ring glassing it and struggling as they get overwhelmed by the flood. (I'm talking about that awesome battle in the beginning of Ghosts of Onyx)

[@PackHunter117]

3:34 Honestly I think your wrong. CAS ships are not carriers they are Assault Carriers. Whereas the CSOs are super carriers. I would make a lot of sense for the Covenant to have more than one CSO.

[@user-Jay178]

Great video that is a lot of ships. You have make good lore videos.

[@itsyaboidaniel2919]

Replicators vs a Unified Star Wars Universe (All Races and Eras Combined) 152nd Attempt

[@aztecdragon4313]

Yoo what's up boi!!

[@itsyaboidaniel2919]

@@aztecdragon4313 Not much, just suggesting stuff as usual

[@aztecdragon4313]

@@itsyaboidaniel2919 alright

[@cadkls]

Replicators easy. Theyre immune to energy weapons and would simply devour everything in sight.

[@itsyaboidaniel2919]

@@cadkls I'm just suggesting to help someone out who is also suggesting this, but I have heard that before, but I've heard Star Wars stomps also, we'll have to see

[@zephsuki]

Why is this channel underrated

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

Because people prefer watch mainstream crap (note not anything that is mainstream is crap) this type of channels are always underrated

[@that_one_helljumper]

“A single ship broke through our defensive barrier”

[@sunderbans]

Dude, your theme music is so iconic to this channel.

[@khalidbrown743]

The sheer size of that Lad. Absolute Fleet of Units

[@kaii3170]

I love the Halo story.. its extremely Well fleshed Out

[@slicer940]

Ghosts of onyx sheds some light on the fleet in 2 chapters before and after the initial battle around high charity.

[@dillonoakes420]

Didn't know that you were a fellow Canadian! Right on man! Glad to be a subscriber!

[@FrostyWheats]

This video gives me an idea: Battle breakdown for the Battle of High Charity during the Covenant Schism Not sure if it’s possible but it’d be interesting

[@jamesloftus324]

Love this channel been watching for nearly 2 years

[@InameAsOne]

I can't remember the exact words, but there was something in Halo: Shadow of Intent (from Halo: Fractures) that mentioned the fleet combat during the schism and fall of High Charity to the Flood. The way it was spoken made it seem like Jiralhanae ships outnumbered Sangheili by ~1.5:1, and I *think* they mentioned a rough estimate of the number of ships in combat. I'd have to re-read it to get a better idea of it.

[@scorpixel1866]

How many ships they had? Well at least ArbyXChief i gue- ohhh not that kind of ship

[@majesticwolfyguy6629]

Best comment

[@ltsBoxes]

Damn, I sure did catch this one early. A great video as always Eck.

[@ugipse]

Going by with games only, the fleet that destroyed Reach was described as twenty times bigger than the fleet of 15 that attacked Earth. I.e. 750. So the High Charity defence fleet by Cortana’s description was noticeably larger. I always thought it was at least 1,000.

[@JKSSubstandard]

According to the canon I can find, the High Charity Defense Fleet is composed of several fleets at any time. The primary fleet is the Second Fleet of Homogeneous Clarity and is quoted as being "numbered in the thousands". Typical covenant fleets number 60-100 ships. From this, it can likely be assumed that at any given moment, there are ~800-1000 warships around high charity plus support ships

[@ohf3594]

I enjoy the circular audio thingy.

[@darthplaguisthewise8985]

You are my second favorite Star Wars you tuber I turned to for a critic of lore, without you, I could not make my day. P.S: You are a GOD.

[@taylorphillips7030]

You should do a video that goes into detail on what high charity is and what is inside it

[@scytheseven9173]

Do a Yuuzhan Vong invasion of Fluidic Space and war against Species 8472! 67th try.

[@PvtC00kI3]

I don't normally comment, but I thought I'd toss this out there. In Halo 2, when Regret's fleet arrives at Earth, Admiral Hood states "Something's not right. The fleet that destroyed Reach was fifty times this size!" From what I can find, there were 15 ships in Regret's fleet. That would put the fleet that destroyed Reach at around 750 ships. Now, he could have been exaggerating to emphasize his surprise at how small Regret's fleet was, but I'm sure his guess would've still been in the ball park. With that value in mind, I think the fleet around High Charity could easily be in and around 1500+ ships, considering Cortana's line about that being the biggest fleet before all ships had exited slipspace. Also, when they said the fleet consisted of "hundreds of ships," do you think phrasing it as fifteen hundred (1500) would count? I know it's semantics, but it's the only way I can rationalize that bit of information. Anyhoo, that's just how I came to the conclusion the fleet is larger than 800 ships.

[@M3sierr]

Halo: How many ships would you like? High Charity: Yes

[@Meravokas]

Honestly, with what we can see and then estimate just off of visuals alone from the first opening Covenant cut scene in Halo 2 and what we can't see (visuals in space are hard to obtain) as well as the fact that in game when High Charity jumps in, the game has them continuing to spawn in without withdrawing anything, I think we can actually assume that the numbers are a fair bit higher than eight hundred. As there would be no point in using extra resources if you weren't trying to bring the point home. You also have to remember than while the CCS class is the most common ship in the fleet, it is not the only cruise class ship. By the time First strike was written, the Destroyer class had not yet been introduced in lore, and honestly in the defense of the capital, I'd easily give them at LEAST 2 two battleships, which outside of the CSO (Or, the one off plot device as it really is) is the single largest and most powerful ship in the fleets and armadas. While not seen explicitly in many of the game's cut scenes, we know from ship classes, most Covenant battle groups were support structured. CCS Cruiser, Destroyers and corvettes on the average. As many forces were simply large 'scout' forces looking for human worlds. My personal guess is that while it seems 'extravagant' to say there are over a thousand ships within the home defense fleet, I'd say with the level of material, industrial power and force projection nature of the Covenant. It's not ridiculous to say that High Charity has even upwards of two thousand ships for dedicated defense.

[@CragynosII]

This is also assuming we're only counting deployed ships. High Charity could easily house hundreds of CRS light cruisers and SDV-class corvettes in the gap between the center spine and the edge of the bottom of the dome, as well as perhaps 50 carriers and hundreds of CCS cruisers. If somehow, any of the composite fleets were thinned or destroyed, I would imagine the Covenant would have the foresight to keep a healthy number in reserves.

[@masonsmith9619]

Keep em coming Eck 👍

[@idolizedpluto]

Based on scaling it makes sense that most ships you can see from halo 2 from the Regret mid mission cutscene you showed us are actually CSO super carriers since you can actually see them and they seem pretty large next to high charity while the rest of the fleet is so small that it's practically invisible to the human eye. 2:14

[@IAmTheDawn]

Good on you for mentioning Remembrance Day, didn't know you were Canadian as well

[@bradavery8121]

Love your videos! I was curious about how many CSO class ships the covenant had produced? I only knew of the cso at reach...

[@TomMcD71]

Thanks for the info about Remembrance day

[@kennethkates3140]

I would say that the Fleet, or Fleets, comprising the High Charity Defense Fleet would contain numbers more or less what you had stated in the video. More than the numbers seen at Reach, but most likely less than what many people would expect, and the ships would comprise the best of every cast within the Covenant. Though there is an argument for the Defense Fleet only containing a few hundred ships (

[@robvanvranken6382]

Sup Eck, another great vid!

[@kamenwaticlients]

I love the names of stuff in Halo

[@Shadow-kd2wu]

Why do I have a feeling that they'd be way over more than 2k especially for high charity and the amount of species and there sheer numbers they had alone

[@bananachildperson6046]

Video Suggestion: The UNSC if it had the Humans tech from before the halos went off.

[@Azakadune]

you been grinding hard? How long does it take you to research, edit, and commentate these?

[@fl3a445]

Best youtube channel

[@jacobaurelius5361]

I lost my shit at 07:09 discounts at stores 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@gadiadrianto1933]

Rip stan lee

[@AdmiralKevinKiwi]

The prophet of Truth planned to send an massive fleet to earth with a little over 500 ships. It would have gone far beyond a thousand ships as you include the fleet from high charity. Though as I understand it should these two fleets combined attack the Earth in late October or in the beginning of November 2552. I think? X3

[@josheddy6963]

Yeah I had to do a speech on Remembrance Day. I live in Australia and we celebrate pretty much the same as u said ecks

[@Mayhemm007]

The Covenant home fleet would definitely have more than one CSO-class carrier guarding it.

[@specialnewb9821]

I'd put it at 1000 ships at any given time. So recently been studying WW1 and you guys (Canadians) and Australians were apparently super fucking hardcore the entire war. Salute to your country's prowess.

[@raidriar1123]

#AskEck Hey Eck, big fan, been watching your channel since the first wave of Starship Versus. My question for you today is: Do you think that if the Prophets had held off on changing the roles of Brutes and Elites near the end of the Human Covenant war they would have been able to win the war? or do you feel that by the end Humanity had a chance to beat them back?

[@MrMcp1995]

If the Great Schism hadn't happened, humanity would be extinct.

[@barrybend7189]

@@MrMcp1995 as well as most of the galaxy.

[@whiteshark0165]

Covenant at its strongest? Easily a thousand, however likely to be more. CCS and CAS are for sure the most common ships we see however But thanks to halo: Fleet Battles we know at the time of the fall of Reach (when the Covenant was at its strongest) consisted of the following at a minimal: CPV, CCS, RCS, SDV, ADP, DSC, CAS and ORS class. We also know thanks to the conflicts at Harvest and Reach there are several class of capital ships that we never see, including the DDS class carrier, unknown Super-destroyer class, and unknown Battleship class, the CAR class frigate and several as of yet unknown vessel types. It is presumed that there are at least several of these vessels despite only being seen once for each of them. With the Battleship class outgunning the CAS by a factor of several energy projectors. And it is only logical that several if not more of these powerful vessels were part of the High Charity Defense fleet. And presuming that each fleet was initially a member fleet of the High Charity Defence fleet and each fleet consisting of between 15 (Fleet of Sacred Consecration) and 500+ (Unyielding Hierophant fleet) vessels. It's easy to determine that fleets on offensive duties during the Human Covenant war most likely would've been constituents of the High Charity Defense Fleet.

[@Raptormon132]

#AskEck Ever since the release of the new Star Wars trilogy, I've noticed something that makes no sense, in other words: a plot hole. It's to do with the blue lightsaber that was owned by Anakin Skywalker, then by Luke, and now by Rey. If you remember in Star Wars episode V, Luke loses the blue lightsaber when Darth Vader cut off his hand, and both the saber and his severed hand felling into the gas giant planet of Bespin. We even see it in the movie itself. Then in episode 7, the lightsaber is found and in one piece, with no explanation of where or how the saber survived. If you know about gas giant planets, they are planets that have no solid surface, and have a center where it's so molten hot it that can vaporize pretty much anything. So my question is "Do you agree that the blue lightsaber surviving is a plot hole"?

[@EckhartsLadder]

No, it just hasn't been explained yet.

[@leoriordan9465]

Raptormon OneThreeTwo maz just says a story for another time so i guess it isn’t really, it has an in universe explanation we just don’t see what it is

[@Protorit]

When luke jumped off he landed in a tube shaped vent and he almost slid out if it wasn't for the metal bit to grab onto. Maybe the lightsaber and the hand landed in a different vent that wouldn't send them into the air, or they got caught in a grove and a maintenance worker found it.

[@orrinbranch6063]

@@Protorit They clearly show it falling when luke is hanging. A shot into the void shows his hand falling.

[@loremaster6828]

You just barely figured out how stupid that was? Its the textbook definition of a plothole. It could easily be explained that it fell into a maintenance shaft or something and one of the bespin workers found it and maz kanata bought it later. So yes it's stupid and its too late at this point to fix it

[@aceykerr8752]

I think 800-1200 is a good place to start. I think you forget that corvettes are often carried by CAS and CSO class carriers and destroyers are very important in covanant fleets. I like your numbers on carriers and cruisers, but I think you miss a few hundred smaller ships like the destroyers.

[@chrisc.3635]

Here's an idea for another factions compared video; which sci-fi elder civilization is the best (that is civilations that guided younger races towards sentience and/or helped forged the galaxy in some way): Halo's forerunner, star wars celestial, starcraft's xel'naga, and the old ones from warhammer 40k.

[@exen-tric]

Love your videos bro!!!!

[@joshuaraewa-ay9684]

High charity with escort vs unsc home fleet with each ship having post war adaptivity+forerunner shield and armor tech

[@puffypegion7815]

Hey Eck! I have a theory about why the MC 85 heavy cruiser: The Raddus is so underpowered: sometime during the New Republic cold war with the First Order, Resistance members managed to get a good scan of the Resurget class battlecruiser. The New Republic ignored the scan, but the Mon Calamari who saw the scan and were terrified of the number of weapons that the ship had decided they must create a ship that can counter the First Order ‘s battlecruiser. The Mc 85 should have the same or even a bit more heavy weapons as the resurgent class since the mon calamari knew that enemy fighter could have easily go clean through the advance shields and destroyed the ship inside out. They added a layer of concussion shield under the advance shield so fighters will just smash into it and get destroyed. The ship would have been powered by a Hypermatter reactor. So the Mon Calamari decided to launch this ship to the new republic, But that was the last straw for the NR so the gave out the disarmament measures. After the resistance and Mon Calamari begged the NR the NR allowed the resistance to keep the cruiser, but under a few conditions. The Mon Cala had to remove the reactor and replace it with a fuel-powered generator, remove most of its weapons, and remove the concussion shield. So basically the resistance was operating a piece of trash. But the Mon calamari may have hidden an MC-85 from the NR. I hope you could make a video on this but not mandatory. thx!

[@Asko83]

It is more than likely that the defense fleet for High charity had a core fleet but was also always bolstered by other fleets that were visiting it. Ships that are put in reserve due to not being needed could be brought to High Charity as it was the most important base for Covenant. Being so important for commerce and religious purposes as well there would be patrols and military fleets arriving and leaving constantly for vast number of reasons and each of those fleets and flotillas could be ordered to help defend High Charity if needed. I could believe the total number of warships near High Charity at any given time being well over 1000 though many of these would not be permanently assigned there. In this High Charity is similar to Eldar Craft worlds. Those too have a defense fleet that is nothing to sneer at but there are also Eldar corsairs and other fleets and lone ships always visiting the Craft worlds and therefore the amount of ships that they can muster for defense is much greater than just the defense fleet.

[@ONEIL311]

I would say 3 or four super carriers were at high charity during halo 2. Considering there were two high prophets and the elite council. Plus they strip arbiter of his rank and he was supremely commander of the war against the humans at the time. So I’m figuring 1 for each major figure. The supreme president of the elite council would definitely have his own flag ship.

[@Beepboop783]

Rest in peace Stan Lee. You will always be a hero, and remembered.

[@kingsolomon673]

He died in thus world, but his still a god in our hearts

[@Incred_Canemian]

According to Halo Warfleet High Charity has a compliment of "Numbers beyond counting". Do with that information what you will.

[@rubentovar462]

High Charity is huge! it will need much more than 800 ships just to defend it closely... it will also need long-distance protection...

[@GibboNexus]

Next vs vid High charity defence fleet vs endor defence fleet and maybe including high charity and death star 2 would be awesome XD

[@radiumuppet]

High charity: don’t forget to support eckharts ladder on patreon

[@badgerbro1172]

Yuzzhan Vong versus the Necrond galactic versus Perfect army/fleet for other Sci Fi universes

[@CaptAmerica300]

I think this is a solid estimate for the military assets but comes up short for the support fleet. The support fleet should easily push it over 1000 but they would not be combat effective. I also feel like given 200 CAS class ships we would see a higher ratio of corvettes, frigates and destroyers even though the CCS was the back bone of the fleet. Maybe a 4:3:2 ratio of 4 CCS, 3 misc ships (support, destroyer or corvette), 2 CAS class would be a little more accurate. Various sources (Halo Nation, Halopedia) are quick to list other classes present in fleets. This composition would result in 900 ships, which is still hundreds, but maybe drifting a little close to being called "nearly 1000" in the book.

[@jooot_6850]

He was still Thel' Vadamee at the time 1:49

[@TheInspire96]

isn't that what he said? i'm sure i'm missing something.

[@jooot_6850]

he said thel vadam, it's a tiny nitpick but whatever

[@MasterJedi-zi6fw]

Who do you think could beat/rival Thrawn as a tactician? If you don't think anyone can who comes closest? You make great videos and I love everything you do, if ever need to take time off that;s fine we understand. Luv Ya Eck! #askeck

[@thomasl6718]

EckhartsLadder I'd like to see a halo scorpion versus a Republic AT TE comparison thanks!

[@Ethan-mn5mk]

Please for your next video do 3 unsc paris class frigate vs 1 venator stardestroyer