The Truth About Elizabeth Holmes' Life in Federal Prison: Top 25 Questions Answered!

[@rafaelmazas6593]

I was listening live on this livestream! Boy, you are rich with information. Very interesting content. One of the best livestreams I’ve heard on any subject

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Thank you for listening and commenting. I appreciate your nice words! As I learn more, I’ll share it.

[@PungiFungi]

Then again, his experience is in a MALE Federal prison. I do wonder if the dynamics of a female Federal prison will be the same, or very different.

[@rafaelmazas6593]

@@PungiFungi This would have been a GREAT question for the livestream. I’ll ask when he does another one. I suspect he’ll do another on the 31st of May. This will be Holmes first day in the klink

[@OlgaSmirnova1]

@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial very pleasant listening to you Sr.

[@toddmullins2031]

I would definitely read a book by her. She fascinates me.

[@Arkeis121]

As someone who did four years in state prison without harming anyone or stealing anything, I appreciate what you’re doing. It’s a hard experience and people are too quick to judge. I do the same thing as often as possible. I try to improve every day, but no one can improve if they’re never given the chance. Thank you and keep it up!

[@Milkymilk07]

Agreed

[@stevedemarest276]

The fact that Liz is paying restitution to Rupert Murdoch is the funniest thing I've heard today. She's gotta be thinking WTF!!! Meanwhile Rupert is probably saying "Why is Elizabeth Holmes sending me a check for $27.50 every month???" 😂😂😂

[@SKYRIDGENIGERIANDWARFS]

She doesn’t have a work ethic She has a grifter ethic

[@adrianjanssens7116]

I have no need for the pre-prison counselling but benefit from the good life skills and communication skills you share. I also admire your ability to get the message across through sincerity and honesty. Thank you and keep up your good work.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

I am super appreciative and grateful for your message. I’m certainly striving to be authentic, honest and convey the message as clearly as I can. Again, thank you so much.

[@izzaduck8896]

Honestly hope Elizabeth H watches this and takes the advice. I appreciate this channel, and the way you explain things with compassion rather than judgement. Hats off to you, sir!

[@jeanieq6153]

Elizabeth Holmes is no different than Bernie Madoff. I don’t remember anyone having a problem with his incarceration.

[@Jeffrey314159]

Because Bernie committed far worse crimes over a longer period of time. And he didn't have babies

[@SM-yd8hq]

I think it’s because Bernie’s victims were mum and dad investors with retirement funds and Elizabeth’s targeted rich men. I don’t think jail is the answer for either of them. Taking everything they have and giving it back and then having them work with every penny going back would be a better lesson. Lawyers win in these cases

[@pandahugger3095]

I think what you do is so valuable. We should want any criminal to take accountability and improve themselves so they don’t reoffend and victimise any one of us in society. Thanks for the work you do.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Thank you so much for your message. I agree with you.

[@greenflagracing7067]

I don't care if she takes accountability or improves herself, prison is about punishment. I want her to suffer physically and mentally.

[@Bugsybear2]

I don't think anyone will want to read a book written by her. We've been exposed to an exhausting amount of information about her. It would be torture to listen to more of her.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

people would read, it it had the right messaging.

[@SconesAndTea]

@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial You assume EH has a conscience and empathy. She is a master manipulator.

[@jupiterinaries6150]

I’d love to read a book by her. She’s innocent. Big Pharma and the wealthy medical establishment knew she was a threat to their bread and butter so they set her up.

[@OlgaSmirnova1]

@@SconesAndTea are you so morally righteous?! I don’t think so!

[@mindsigh4]

...only if she narrates the books on tape version

[@farinabrady2942]

I am not in prison but I do have issues and make wrong choices. Watching your videos is inspiring and helpful You are demonstrating to me how to choose to walk forward

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Thank you so much for your message. So happy to know the work is helpful.

[@downtherabbitholes4714]

I usually like what you say. This time I am disappointed. Elizabeth and Theranos gang were willing to play with people's health and welfare. You know that. Yes, she is a monster.

[@MiamiPush2theLimit]

Everyone should have a chance to redeem themselves, yes, even those you deem “a monster.”

[@mrbigwheel8171]

I cannot thank you enough for your book. My brother read it and was well prepared for what was in front of him. Thanks again

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

You’re so welcome. Thank you for telling me. Best to you and your family.

[@williamhathaway7752]

Very very well done. U sucked me in for the whole show and NEVER do that. Thank you.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Thank you!! Appreciate you.

[@SKYRIDGENIGERIANDWARFS]

I have to say I don’t have any empathy for Liz 😊 But let me say I would have some if she handled to whole thing differently If she had some remorse

[@KLee1028]

Right, she absolutely has taken zero accountability. But hopefully prison changes something in her to where she can really see what she’s done and take responsibility.

[@derekcho2312]

Her lack of remorse and her inability to accept responsibility makes me wish her the very worst experience possible in Club Fed

[@JeremyHawkerGuitarStudio1]

It's commendable that you can see the best in EH, but I do think you have underestimated her psychopathy, she would do anything to avoid reality. Listen to what Tyler Schultz said, she completely destroyed his life and he ran into her and she was just business as usual as if nothing happened and rocked up to his family gatherings while she was destroying him. She got on with her life as if nothing ever happened, right up to the very end she just denied reality because she has a god complex. She completely changed her personality once she got caught, she went from Steve Jobs to a damsel in distress making a bloody documentary on how unlucky she is.. she's a snake, lock her up.

[@lornarettig3215]

Fully agree. She was having these 100+ people write to the judge about how 'scared' this 'new young mother' was, and she didn't care at all about how 'scared' a 20-something young scientist was while vindictively destroying someone else's life if it meant her giant ego didn't have to accept failure. She was drunk on her own self-importance. I love seeing her getting her comeuppance.

[@JL-uo1di]

Relax. You cyber bullies enjoy kicking people down when they are down. She has been sentenced and she is enduring the public humiliation. What else do you want? You obviously have little empathy just like her. Reading comments such as yours indicates that there are more EH in society than we might think.

[@Sandra-xf1dy]

First time here. You're impressive Justin. Well done for your achievements. You speak extremely well! Hello from Australia

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Welcome and thank you so much. So happy you’re here! (From California!)

[@politoons8776]

4:05 this is the only way in which I feel a little sorry for her. She's probably only sleeping a couple hours a night, knowing she only has 4 more sleeps at home. The dread and anticipation must be torture. That being said, It'll be surreal seeing her actually go into prison, I've been waiting a long time for this.

[@lornarettig3215]

So easily avoided, if only she wasn't a pompous idiot.

[@stephaniebinder4030]

Love your videos Justin! I just subscribed & will continue to follow. I'm intrigued w/ EH & this whole process. I unlike many have compassion for her & hope her sentence is drastically shorter. She needs to be w/ her babies. She is human & I believe SB had much to do w/ her actions as he controlled her w/ his abuse & mind games.

[@richiekock8835]

She had a child with the additional intent to influence or delay her incarceration. The extra intent by itself is bad. And we do not give her the benefit of the doubt. She is indeed horrible.

[@nickv2601]

That's an assumption people make, which could be true, could not be true. You don't know.

[@eileengabellini6935]

Clearly she loved money and power more than providing what she created only in her imagination. She deserves her sentence. It will wear on her. Hopefully at some point she will understand she behaved criminally and has some accountability. Someone like her this will feel like hell.

[@Jeffrey314159]

Dear White Collar, you sure do have empathy for this woman. Thank God there are some decent human beings left in this world. I wonder, is it necessary for empathy to have had experiences like yours to relate to someone like Holmes? I sympathize with her, and I served only a month in a max security detention center. I hope that she listens to your advice, that she picks up on your words! I am worried that violence will happen to her, and alarmed so many people would wish violence upon her! Elizabeth Holmes is a human being, and I am glad that you recognize that.

[@lornarettig3215]

You are kinder than me, Jeffrey. From my perspective, I am completely sick of ego being worshipped instead of boring old competence. I am tired of lazy, stupid people having no consequence for their behaviour, while hard-working, smart people go in circles or even get bad outcomes. There are a few people finally getting their comeuppance, and honestly I love it. I can't bear Holmes' pomposity and smugness when she comes across as profoundly average, if not dumb, and I am delighted to see her massive ego finally popped. I don't wish violence upon her, but I also don't care if it happens. She had a massive head start in life which most actually smart and competent people don't have and would love to have, and couldn't control her gigantic ego. I don't care.

[@kathduncan9618]

​@@lornarettig3215 Well said. Same.

[@27gts]

I get it- many of us have to hit absolute rock bottom before we give in and try and get better- it is a very humbling experience- I have been clean and sober since '99 almost 24y after hitting my own bottom

[@patricianunez5423]

I like yourr dramatic reading of some of the questions. I seriously lol!!!

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

LOL!!

[@koffee3336]

Really impressed w/ your teaching style and stories! None of the lawyers break down how Liz can get out as early as you do. Do lawyers commonly not know this? For instance how the drug/alcohol program can shave off a year for her? Meaning if she's not tuned into you likely she won't know how to utilize this program? Love the Oak tree quote also!

[@jenmdawg]

I woke up today and my first thought “today Holmes goes to prison”. I get zero joy from this and wish she’d not become a criminal but am damn glad she didn’t get away with it.

[@elliesimpson1313]

Really good video. God bless you for the important work you do.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Thank you so much.

[@michaelmullin3744]

I love what you do

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Thank you.

[@AudreysBrains]

“It no workie” 😂😂

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Lol!

[@kengreenberg]

Btw, has Liz shown any contrition? Admitted that she’s an utter fraud from the get-go? It’s not about the investors; it’s about the people her fraud hurt and the legions more who she put in harm’s way.

[@kengreenberg]

By definition, a criminal who has two kids knowing full well that she’ll be incarcerated during their young lives is - wait for it - a monster. The NYT puff piece is itself a monstrosity.

[@matthewnewton8812]

If judges are not taking the wellbeing of children into account when they’re making sentencing determinations, they ought to be, especially for non violent offenses. The argument is not that we ought to feel bad for the mother that she’s going to be away from her kids; the argument is that the children didn’t do a dann thing, they’ve committed no crime, and for them to be punished feels deeply unjust to me. Does that mean I think mothers should never be sent to prison? Of course not! But utterly disregarding the effect it’s going to have on innocent children, and refusing on blind principle to even consider some simple accommodations/arrangements, really doesn’t advance the ball in terms of what’s best for society as a whole. No matter how many times a judge says “!!!you should have thought of that before you committed the” whatever whatever whatever, it doesn’t change the fact that those kids will be deeply scarred by the loss of their mother. No statement, no justification, no rationalization, no excuse or reason, will ever change the simple fact that those children are being harmed.

[@rddavies]

For someone who's been conning and manipulating all of her adult life I think her awakening is going to be a rude one. My sense is that her fellow inmates will see right through her.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

And many will admire her for not cooperating and for going to trial. She will see it all.

[@ReturnOfTheJ.D.]

@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial Sorry to disappoint you but if you look into what narcissism is, they do not learn. They can live in all kinds of situations and still be narcissists, for many years. It's innate to their nature and they don't change because they can't change even if they wanted to.

[@TinkerDean]

Thanks for your informative videos! 😊

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

You’re so welcome!

[@Bugsybear2]

Don't you think that visitation from Northern CA to TX is going to be a problem? Even if her family flies, it is a long process to pack up the children, supplies, get to the plane, get a car, drive, etc. I predict that her boyfriend will move on with his life without her. He was smart enough to NOT marry her most likely due to being worried about her financial reparations.

[@melissastreeter22]

I didn't know she wasn't married. I thought, boy, did he ever buy trouble.

[@lornarettig3215]

I will be flat-out amazed if her younger, good-looking, millionaire baby-daddy doesn't have a date lined up for tonight.

[@melissastreeter22]

As I re-read your comment that reflects every detail the rest of us thought because we've been responsibly managing our own lives for years, it also occurred to me all that activity to visit Holmes is surely done by a cadre of people, including schlepping husband, babies, and baggage--coddling them all the way to a private jet with a pool, which arrives in sonic time to a waiting limo then a luxury hotel suite, then the "visit," then the reverse cushy routine, no one having to face accountability for the least bitty action.

[@teresamanuszak4183]

She knew she risked deaths of cancer patients, caused a false positive HIV test, and even more risks, and showed no remorse. She is a MONSTER and should have gotten more jail time

[@zitrandy]

I agree, why are you helping her?! Look what she was doing to the patients using her system. She took billions. Don't help her! She IS a monster! Why are you giving her more sympathy than someone who took a loaf of bread?

[@sallyb7472]

Her poor babies. I hope Billy is a good father and that there is a female relative that can do her best to fill a mother’s role.

[@Mtmonaghan]

You silly moo

[@KLee1028]

@@Mtmonaghanwhy do you say that?

[@judyfabion8849]

She had babies to tie herself to a rich man and a rich family and try to get sympathy from the judge. I'm a woman and for her type of manipulation, she deserves to be there as long as possible.

[@tjredington2128]

Really good job-its a fearsome topic and congratulations for your humanity

[@mongrelpride-zsl]

I think you're doing a very noble thing.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Thank you.

[@SKYRIDGENIGERIANDWARFS]

You are very kind to even Elizabeth We all could end up in a difficult situation- it’s hard to recognise that sometimes I think it is important to be kind although I am finding it hard to feel kind to Elizabeth right now I will probably come round to it

[@susanandolive1]

Great video! Thank you!

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

You’re welcome!

[@lorinugen1536]

Is there Air Conditioning in Byran

[@JL-uo1di]

I find it hilarious and rather childish that people are so fixated over the fact that she had birthed two children while being prosecuted. That person saying "what do you think her children will think when they learn they were only born to avoid prison " is delusional. First of all, it is her womb, her body, her husband, her children and none of our business. Second of all, how do we know she only had them to avoid prison. It could be for that reason, but it also could be because she wanted to have kids before she goes to prison for that amount of time as she would be too old to have kids by the time she gets out. Whatever the reasons are, it is non of our business. She or any woman has every right to get pregnant and have children, regardless of the circumstances and this should never be a a reason to keep her or any other woman out of prison, period.

[@smoocher]

A decent human being would give good advice to ANYONE entering prison since it's a very different experience from life on the outside, and in many cases it's life-altering. Sure, she did some horrible things, and I think her penalty was too light, but she's still a human being.

[@Jeffrey314159]

I am glad that you recognize that Elizabeth is a human being. And I think the sentence is too long

[@Shan-ShanH]

As long as she thinks that she didn’t know wrong, I don’t think that library pontification is going to happen.

[@TheLollygirl69]

Elizabeth Holmes getting 11 years verses Ruby Franke who got 1-15 X 4 and it's highly speculated she'll be out in less than 4. Ruby Franke tortured her children, starved them, duct taped etc... Shows what's more important in America 😢

[@PungiFungi]

Holmes’ lawyers cited her motherhood as a reason she should be out on bail pending her appeal. So yes, one can safely said she had those kids to avoid prison. Otherwise her lawyers wouldn’t use them as part of their argument. And the timing of both… one to delay her trial and the second so she would all full bellied in front of the judge for sentencing…. I think you need to be more cynical when it comes to psychotic pathological liars.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

You’ve been consistent in your messaging throughout. I still don’t think that’s why she had kids. Thanks for always contributing.

[@SM-yd8hq]

I don’t think she had then to avoid prison. If she knew she was doing 10 years, then by the time she was released she’d have been too old.

[@PungiFungi]

@@SM-yd8hq she at the very least was hoping they could get her less time. This is Elizabeth Holmes we are talking about. If you fall for her narrative even though you know she’s a deceptive and manipulative person, I guess that’s on you.

[@RobG1729]

As exceptional a person she is (and not in a positive way), Elizabeth Holmes may well have the same desire as many women, to have children. Now she has one of each (in the traditional cis-het binary sense) but will be away from her children for a long time.

[@lisamarielund6292]

@@SM-yd8hq Not a valid argument. She could have frozen her eggs & had them implanted when she got out.

[@elliesimpson1313]

I'm praying that she repents and accepts responsibility. Yes, this is a blip in her life. May she use this wisely.

[@foley15136]

A lot of people think that I’m wrong, but I think Liz Evans will walk.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

And go where without a passport?

[@foley15136]

@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial No, I mean eventually win. Not leave. I admit that I could be totally wrong, but it’s just a feeling that I have. You’ve never heard the term “walk” meaning get away with it, avoid punishment or responsibility? You took “walk” to mean flee the country??

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

@@foley15136 10-4! Thanks for clarifying…

[@David-nx2vm]

I have seen Dublin up close when I was on official travel to Camp Parks next door. It is a minimum security camp like Bryan, and if they are comparable, it is no country club. Anyone who calls these facilities country clubs has never been to a country club. If she hasn’t fully accepted responsibility for what she did and asked for forgiveness, she should. She deserves prison for what she did, but I am reminded of something I was taught decades ago about prison when I was in law enforcement training - people are sent to prison as punishment, not for punishment. A subtle but important distinction.

[@bradmoore3433]

It is not a defense strategy; it is reality.

[@kengreenberg]

Last thought for now… assuming you read Carryrou’s book, you know how she mercilessly abused those at Theranos. Justin: she’s a bad person. Really. They exist.

[@manchitas3531]

Those poor kids she had were pawns trying to manipulate herself out of jail. Proof of her narcissism and ego centrism. Now those kids will suffer and as far as "Billy"... I give him 6 months to break the chastity vows

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

I see it differently.

[@stay.in.school.]

i told my girl, "There is no parole is federal prison, 11 years is 11 years." She's like "oh", she has gotta do a lot of literal self and actual reparations to get time off.

[@tonypistol7544]

Justin, can I ask a question? I know someone in a FCI Low who does not have a pillow to sleep on. No one in this Low has pillows. Are the supposed to have pillows? If so, how I work to make sure inmates have pillows? Who do I contact to start investigating this issue? Thanks for any help!

[@ReturnOfTheJ.D.]

Pillows are bad for your neck. I haven't slept with one since 1990 or something. I use a folded small towel.

[@AlphaMom55]

As a Christian and disciple of Yeshua, I celebrate Shabbat and festivals. I’m so thankful that inmates are permitted to have juice and Challah bread on Shabbat. 💙🙏🏽 Bendiciones.

[@tod3msn]

Before talking about anything to the authorities consult counsel. True 95% of the cases wind up in guilty pleas or convictions but you could be in the 5% and also it helps to get professional point of view. Then you could decide what to do next after consulting an attorney. I think offering to help people in a legal jam is a good service. Elizabeth Holmes had an intellectually intriguing idea with the blood testing but unfortunately it all went haywire. Still, I think somewhere down the line her idea in some form will occur.

[@melissastreeter22]

As a licensed phlebotomist, can't imagine how a single drop of blood will ever be sufficient to test for all the different diseases we now need different tubes for (with different chemicals in them to effect different reactions). Then again, my grandfather once told me, "I saw something last night I'll never get over." The year was 1963. His answer was, "The moon."

[@bradmoore3433]

Kay Redfield Jamison, Ph.D., M.A.

[@PatriciaRMouser]

How do know where you are going?

[@bradmoore3433]

Holmes is not a sociopath. She is a non-diagnosed bipolar patient. Kay Redfield Jamison, Ph.D., M.A. is the only way Holmes will be saved.

[@mindovermatter2day]

I would be scared and depressed

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Normal response to a looming prison term.

[@manchitas3531]

Someone mentioned elsewhere that her image looked much taller when she was entering prison. My question is, how plausible is it that someone can pay a look alike to serve a sentence?

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Lol!! You funny!!

[@TheLollygirl69]

Elizabeth wasn't just doing white collar crime. Her crimes effected patients who have live with trauma from her actions. I don't know how she wasn't convicted for crimes against the victims, yet sunny was found guilty for these which I don't understand. But she still these crimes

[@ultratestosterone2983]

@whitecollaradvice Question: If the "feds" have all her money known due to restitution owed of 430M, then who is she affording 30M in legal fees? She also has millions of dollars for appeals as well. How do you explain that bro?

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Just because the lawyers are owed money, it doesn’t mean they’re going to get paid in full. There might be value for the lawyers because of the media attention. Owing and affording are different verbs.

[@LappDog]

Will they test her blood the first day?

[@lly8598]

Yes. Finger stick with a tiny drop of blood in a nanotainer that will test for hundreds of conditions by simply inserting the nanotainer into the Edison. 👍

[@LappDog]

@@lly8598 That sounds like a hell of your own invention. #poeticjustice

[@lly8598]

@@LappDog yes. It’s my invention and I’m looking for investors. Interested? 😂 💰

[@LappDog]

@@lly8598 Think I'll pass, thanks. But I'm sure you will find many willing partners in crime inside Liz's prison.

[@linchen008]

​@@LappDog that one was fun 🎉😂

[@toddmarshall2726]

What's the problem with iPhones in Federal Prison? You were very specific that iPhones will get someone in trouble. Do other types of mobile phones or communication devices not cause issues?

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

All unapproved devices lead to major trouble. Hardly a day passes without someone getting caught with an iPhone or android. The consequences are severe, including a potential new charge, loss of good time, time in the hole, and transfer to a higher security prison.

[@lly8598]

I’m curious as to the differences between a male federal prison vs a woman’s federal prison. While there may be similarities, there must be significant differences. ❤

[@WelaSA]

How are you comparing her with MANDELA??? 💀💀💀

[@hope46sf]

I guess I see a difference between you and EH. You, even back then, seem to have felt some remorse for your crimes. But EH seems to still feel that she doesn't belong in prison because of her delusional notion that her "invention" worked. It was someone else's fault. I still wonder if she will attempt to flee, since she has done everything possible to avoid incarceration. Thanks for your channel.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Thank you for watching. She is not fleeing. She is preparing to go in, of that I am sure.

[@farinabrady2942]

I feel very sorry for her ordeal Yes she has done wrong But I still feel empathy for her

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Me too.

[@beatle1956]

Evidently, being in prison is almost as horrible as being married.

[@illuminahara]

Did not know squatting & coughing was a thing🤯

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

It’s real!

[@talesofthecentralcoast]

i just wrote her a letter.

[@kevinbickmore4874]

That’s one thing I do find it difficult when listening to you 18 months is nothing I know it’s prison but mentally someone going away for more than five years and like Elizabeth Holmes we’re going to see 11 Super Bowl champions, three new presidents. It is so much more mentally insane for someone like her and then it was for you I get it you went to jail one night in jail is more than enough, but that’s where I find it hard to except you fully understand how much worse it could get and no you’re trying to be positive but that’s the tough part I served 20 years in the military someone that served only four has no clue so I’m just curious how you feel about that

[@myfatcatelliott8840]

I’m a 52 yr. old professor and a few speeding tickets are about the extent of my criminal history but I love watching your channel. My husband asked me if I am preparing for a retirement of crime…. Definitely not, I have visions that going to prison would be like being the bullied nerd in high school all over again! I think Ms. Holmes is a guilty brat, but as a mother I feel for her leaving her babies. There will be a pillow wet with tears in Texas tomorrow night.😢

[@jenexit]

She obviously deserves prison time, but I still feel very sorry for her.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

I hope she uses her time wisely.

[@Jeffrey314159]

Well at least you have some humanity! I think this prison sentence was a little too long

[@sandygrogg1203]

It looked as if family was accompanied her inti the prison .. 6:57

[@kevinbickmore4874]

Just curious how much are you paid? Or how much are your services. I’m just curious I applaud you for profiting off of your downward fall you paid your price and deserve it so I am happy for you, but I’m real curious what you’re charges are or would be.

[@tonylaino2670]

Let her rot in jail......

[@Delapray]

I’m from UK. Couldn’t she just vanish? She must have money stashed away. Compared to what some people have done, she’s hardly a monster. Just my opinion.

[@rusty_shacklford]

It’s weird people are just pissy because she’s rich.

[@lesliematteis8010]

You should read “Bad Blood”. She’s probably smart enough to pretend to feel remorse, but she’s an arrogant narcissist. You should direct your compassion toward her victims, like Ian Gibbons who she drove to suicide, and whistleblowers Erica Cheung and Tyler Shultz.

[@SlumberSource]

So glad she is finally going to prison. When she was sentenced last year by judge Davila all of the experts were shocked since they were expecting she would only do maybe one year or less. I truly believe that her defense team really pissed off the judge and continues to do so with their appeals.

[@PungiFungi]

If the judicial system allow appeals in the process, he shouldn’t hold it against them. I think it’s more about the reasons laid out in the appeals… like no “rational” juror would convict her based on the evidence. Those reference letters did her no favors.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Letters were not helpful.

[@Jeffrey314159]

I disagree entirely. The judge censored that link of time to make an example of her to the rest of silicon valley. And the experts were predicting 5 years in prison

[@SlumberSource]

@@Jeffrey314159 wrong. Not one expert predicted 5 years or more. Swish. Score

[@eliseuaparecido7371]

Tudo isso?

[@schreckeninecken2583]

Everybody talks about her; and yes : she is some rich delusional girl from most likely some rich snob family that pushed her too far, but it is also quite crazy, that people throw with millions around them without doing any research whatsoever O-o Crazy...the whole thing. One should not come this far with literally no results over years...

[@imdonkeykonga]

i get it everybody deserves a second chance... she hustled infirm persons and high profile Americans putting an ignorant manifest and enigma on them... so, the joke tells itself, the moment she gets out (cause yes she is going to get out sooner rather than later) she'll do something similar... which will be very sad... or she will bask in a celebrity state, remember the mom of the columbine killer? something like that...

[@kengreenberg]

Your excusing her contrived motherhood is crap. Utter crap. She was a master manipulator. This is not a blip. These kids don’t have her. For YEARS. You could not be more wrong. I’m a dad, not a mom, but nothing you’re saying makes any sense.

[@JunjunPiamonte-m1u]

Hindi po Ako nag lon po Wala po Ako ID po

[@tmc1564]

It's she a sociopath in your opinion?

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

No. She just doesn’t think she broke the law.

[@thomaslarson4320]

She had children to avoid prison time, dont be so naive. You are way too sympathetic to her. You are really hard to listen to as you are so bias towards her.

[@sunsensational]

Wonder if she drops her fake deep voice in prison.

[@pete6705]

I think there was a bigger reason she had those babies. I think she thought her rich boyfriend would be much more likely to stick with her during her trial and wait for her after prison if they shared 2 babies. She has nothing without her rich bf. No home, no money, nothing. He is providing her with a life of luxury and never has to work or pay back any of her debt. Judge/jury sympathy was an extra bonus. But she was hoping for much less than 11.25 years, he isn’t going to wait that long.

[@SRDXXF]

Who cares, she is a proven manipulative liar with a more than questionable character. She didnt have to have two young children before prison. She is not you.

[@ReturnOfTheJ.D.]

When you say that she'll realise the "error of her ways" and "see the light" and repent, I'm sorry to disappoint you. The kind of narcissism she richly evidences is biologically hardwired and regardless of what they experience they never evolve, improve or understand themselves and change. They are like a broken record - that if played often enough will attract more listeners who like some of it and ignore the bits they don't like, and they excel at hiding what they're really about. They spend inordinate amounts of effort to rope in people, who give hem the validation they need which they can't generate themselves.

[@southphillylilly]

First, you can't diagnose narcissism through the Internet. Second, narcissism isn't biological.

[@ReturnOfTheJ.D.]

@@southphillylilly Someone with her intelligence who is unable to learn from her mistakes though is definitely narcissistic, as a clinical psychological condition or problem. Most people with her IQ and even lower, are able to develop and improve over time - my prediction is that she won't be able to and doesn't even care to. I hope I'm wrong but if I'm right, that is a form of narcissism - you're right that you're not born with it - it's a possiblity you realise based on both biology and environment, but it is at least partially biological in the sense that without both elements being there, the condition can't arise. Some people biologically cannot be narcissists. Take myself for example - I don't believe it's right to lie, to pretend I know things that I don't (and which I'm not even interested in as subjects but which I wan't attention and admiration for), to steal the work of others and sell it, to break laws, to put my name on something I haven't done - as in, attribute myself as something I can't even do if I tried, and many other things. A narcissist doesn't see life in this way - they are free to use everyone and anyone for their own self-interest, including stealing from them, lying about everything (like that they paid them, with no proof to support that), and exhibiting general hostility to any and all who stand in their way and who are unable to fight back against them (lawyers being very expensive).

[@markcourson3151]

@@southphillylilly She has mental issues and I mean serious ones. Start with the Balwani banging daddy issues. The imitating Steve Jobs and the fake voice. Pathological liar who is unable to deal with reality. To the extremes that she went to hide the truth. Worse of all, the brutal way she and that AHole, Balwani treated their employees is beyond criminal. Integrating these traits it is safe to say she is a narcissist and a dangerous one.

[@stay.in.school.]

she already looked super haggard and wore out walking up to the front door....

[@karinetnr]

How dare u

[@adriansteele7023]

Why, I Never

[@lisanorris6518]

I totally respect your teaching's. However, Elizabeth may not have had her children to avoid prison. But she knew she could serve time in prison. Therefore, she should have not had children for someone else to raise. I will be surprised if the baby daddy stays with her. But she will be responsible for supporting them. So he will get what money she will be allowed.

[@bettyboop-xg6jo]

You know his family are billionnares right?

[@lisanorris6518]

@@bettyboop-xg6jo No I didn't know that. However, it's not really about the money. It's about control and winning. And Elizabeth being helpless in prison.

[@Keriousity]

De humanizing anyone for any reason is not the answer

[@Michael-uy1tz]

In my opinion, most white collar prisoners are not dangerous and a lot of them have something positive to offer the community. I am not a Holmes fan, but I do not see the value in sending her to prison for the next decade. A better punishment would be to send Holmes to a very disadvantaged community that need teachers. Holmes sentence should be to spend 10 years teaching at minimum wage with a requirement she works a teaching job and if necessary another job for a minimum of 40 hours per week. She should be limited in phone calls to family and friends. No travel outside the community. Must be home when not working or grocery shopping and other appointments. No internet. This experience will humble Holmes and save the taxpayers money from incarcerating her.

[@TheLisajill]

that's a clever idea about her going into the inner city and teaching.

[@Michael-uy1tz]

@@TheLisajill or into a rural area of the US.

[@TheLisajill]

@@Michael-uy1tz either way that is a constructive rehab plan.

[@TheLisajill]

maybe white-collar criminals are not dangerous but financial crimes can be felt as very violent. stealing is violent.

[@maureenogorman8740]

She's a college dropout ! She's a scam artist !! Not dangerous ? Her company was giving people wrong medical information that was used to guide their treatment !!! That's who you want teaching your kid ? Enforcement of those restrictions on a case by case basis would probably cost more than a low security camp. Who will monitor her 24/7 to make sure she complies ?

[@mr_rn6549]

Is she still pregnant?