The truth about Halo Infinite's skill gap - The issue with aim assist

[@Jes2104]

Its way to damn strong, it actually makes it harder if you're a good shot on controller. There are some bad takes here, don't compare this to counterstrike. But the aim assist as it is, Is indefensible.

[@Shotzzilla]

Thank you it makes it harder if you have a good shot in controller… truer words have never been spoken…

[@HaloDaycare]

Your comment deserves a gold medal. It's heartbreaking to hear kids say "my aim assist doesn't look like that." 100% of the time when I ask for their Gamertag to see their stats 100% of the time they are a lower level player. What can even be more depressing is to see some of these kids have decent accuracy stats and still be a lower level. That hits hard because you used to have to work for that accuracy. I have absolutely nothing against lower level players and I have respect for you regardless of your input. This isn't your fault because you play on controller, don't take this fiasco personally. This is 343 deliberately working to make the game easy but they've gone too far.

[@Shotzzilla]

@Halo Daycare I swear there’s a higher skill gap in quick play dude like out gunning people with sidekick I have way more fun playing in social than ranked now n days with the overpowering aa on BR. I was a 50 dubs in H3 and a champ dubs H5 the Br in this game has the lowest skill gap to date… instead of them lowering bullet mag they should of lowered aa but 343 still doesn’t understand how good cough cough halo 3 games work…… also BR should go back to projectile hitscan is cancer…

[@BR_Eureka]

The fact that aim assist tracks literally is counterintuitive to how we always aimed in halo. I may be used to infinites aim assist but I still get upset when I try to make a micro adjustment and my cursor flies off my target.... Where if I didn't move at all I'd have stood on target. As for kb&m. If they add or increase (in case it is actually in game) the headshot priority to the game as a whole. Kb&m will have a much more satisfying experience actually being able to hit the last shot. The new bullet magnetism changes might make it harder for kb&m as well since there is less now. Didn't expect to hear my own voice 😂 welcome back.

[@HaloDaycare]

I love you

[@BR_Eureka]

@@HaloDaycare

[@Bluenotdead]

agreed

[@siggma_]

This isn’t aim assist, this is auto aim, aim assist is a necessary thing, AUTO AIM…is not.

[@Thicc_Boyo]

I wouldn't quite call it auto-aim. Auto-aim at least to me would be something more like Rockstar games where you have a literal lock-on. That said, this really strong aim adhesion is pretty damn close.

[@The_Debug_Life]

Aim assist is an aimbot of some mild form. But this is just too strong. Every mnk and ex controller and even controller players have voiced their concerns. Nothing has changed and no mnk player will come back to this game. Its trash

[@Bluenotdead]

Honestly just waiting for mnk to get even 1% love thats all i need also I saw myself lol - Cows Br

[@Bluenotdead]

@@HaloDaycare LMAOOO wayy better

[@shootemupgaming5418]

Me as a mouse and keyboard player for 30 years will speak for all us mouse and keyboard players. We understand controller players need aim assist to play a FPS game and let alone vs a player like me on mouse and keyboard I use to be a console controller player. But when you have us on mouse and keyboard that is really good at what we do and are skill level and we lose 95% of the gun fights that should say something about how busted aim assist is now days with Crossplay. We need to react to everything on the fly in a split second why we muti task with the mouse and keyboard all at the same time right hand aims, tracks and turns us left hand works the keyboard like a piano. Pretend like you are typing but you can only can use your left hand and you can type 500 words a minute that's what we are doing not looking at the keyboard at all. Why we aim and track there is so much more then having a giant desk and moving are arm back and forth up down side to side diagonal it's not that simple as controller players think it is if it was then there will be more mouse and keyboard players then there is controller players but there is not over 3 billion consoles controller players and what maybe 100k mouse and keyboard players and 90% of the players on PC are using a controller so they don't count. But all my lobbies are controller players so yeah not fair for me doing all the work for a kill my self and I get killed by someone that just started playing video games they can beat me with little to no effort on there part because of the overpowered aim assist then it becomes like a cheat 0% reaction time and rotational aim assist witch it is soft aimbot that is what soft aimbot is all you controller players you can hook a mouse and keyboard up just like us on PC can hook a controller up no excuses give it a try and see out it turns out for you. Controllers have 2 types of aim assist it's the bot build into the controller that aims and tracks players BUT it has bullet magnetism two it will be more fair if controllers did not have bullet magnetism you guys can keep your rotational aim assist take out bullet magnetism that is the true killer for controllers us on Mouse and Keyboard will not get a single hit marker unless the center dot on the crosshair is on the enemy but you guys can get hit marker and the center dot is far from touching the enemy facts. How does bullet magnetism work? Loosely speaking, Bullet Magnetism is a game mechanic that allows a shooter to be off-target by a set number of degrees and still have a shot register as a hit. When a round is fired, instead of it going where the shooter was aiming, it instead travels off-axis to impact the target. Playing a video game using mouse and keyboard is not like using KZbin or Google. I never cared or even thought about Controller in years and the aim assist until Crossplay. Crossplay ruined gaming for us mouse and keyboard players it really feels like a cheat look even Shroud said something about aim assist he said what I say Controllers vs Mouse and Keyboard is like night and day 1000% different is every whay and they should not be mixed together. What killed gaming for me is Crossplay and the soft aimbot that is aim assist it 100% ruined competitive gaming for us mouse and keyboard players and it is 100% cheating. I have been gaming from the start of video games and got into PC gaming 30 years ago and never played on the console and the controller again nothing but mouse and keyboard no matter what game I played so I got really good 1 of the best to do it I'm still really good. My flicks and snaps are on another level and when I'm on fire for get about it you will not beat me anyone. it feels like I have around 500k games or more in my gaming life under my belt I really can't put a number on it I played or tried just about them all and if it was a FPS game I played it or tried it trust that. Just don't pin me on mouse and keyboard vs the world on controllers aim assist no 1 plays on mouse and keyboard anymore game dev's are building the games for controllers and porting them to mouse and keyboard try to fly in Warzone with a mouse and keyboard none of us M&K players do it's not built for mouse and keyboard facts it's all controller players. Now go play Battlefield 1942 and fly the DC Mod was the best it's build for mouse and keyboard and not controller. Aim assist when it is this overpowered is in no matter in what way, shape, or form you look at it Aim Assist is a crutch and training wheels and it carries every player to a win or ranked nothing more. Controller Players love to defend Aim Assist "because it gives you skill" no it doesn't. It's a crutch plain and simple. So all these tournaments do you see any mouse and keyboard players no they are a dying breed mouse and keyboard players we are the players built different well us really good players all you controller players are built the same aim assist is what makes you. And all controller players say switch why should I change to controller when I been gaming on mouse and keyboard 30 years I like having my own set of skills at aiming, tracking, flicking, snapping and everything I do on the mouse and that is just some of the mouse skills using a keyboard is a different set of skills on the left hand I take pride in my kills when it is a insane kill but nothing new for me I been doing it 30 years. You controller players hook a mouse and keyboard up to your console or PC and see for your self just how much different the 2 inputs really are it is like night and day 1000% different in everyway and should not be mixed together at all let alone in a competitive First Person Shooters. I'm working for a kill why the 0% reaction time and rotational aim assist and bullet magnetism witch it really is soft aimbot does the work for you. Console has a 0.6 value factor for aim assist, aka, 60% for every millisecond you aim at your target. On PC, that value is 0.4, or 40%. That's a different of 0.2, 20%, meaning console has a total of 50% higher aim assist value than PC does so shut up with PC has stronger aim assist Controller are for little boys and mouse and keyboard is for the BIG DOGS.. How can anyone say different you will try. Not all mouse and keyboard players are good only a select few of us that put time and years into it I'm a top 1% Mouse and Keyboard player. There is my 2cents on the matter.

[@VanadamYT]

I welcomed the buff to m and k recently. when I got onyx in s1 I stopped playing m and k because i was very sick of getting railed across map by controller. it got so bad it made me switch back to controller just so I could fight across bazaar. Nice compilation highlighting pro issues. I agree AA across the board should be turned down to raise skill ceiling but perhaps have a toggle setting for social but force low AA in comp so comp players can set theirs to low all the time

[@HaloDaycare]

Thank you for watching my other videos homie lol

[@VanadamYT]

@@HaloDaycare Always big support for halo creators!

[@xboxer214]

As a long time Halo player that moved to pc, I don't want to feel like my time learning kbm was for nothing, Iv played Destiny 2, Rainbow six Siege, and other games on kbm, it was a pain to learn at first, but the skill gap is so much higher, and doing well on kbm feels so much more rewarding. I hate that in Infinite, Sit there and think "Oh time to plug in a controller to actually be able to compete."

[@HaloDaycare]

I feel your frustration more than you know

[@Andrew-mg3ib]

Destiny has bullet magnetism tho, and radar. Literally easy mode. You can be inaccurate and still hit so many shots. If you play handcannon on destiny, and then load onto valorant or overwatch u see the difference. When I played destiny, I was hitting and saw people hitting shots they shouldnt be, it's a crutch. In games with radar, you can walk to not ping it, but destiny u get close and it pings no matter what. Gemini jesters can disrupt it, but that already gives off your position.

[@xboxer214]

@@Andrew-mg3ib I know, but I still learned how to play mnk on Destiny 2, even if its a forgiving game, and is still time spent gaining mnk experience, which is the point of my original comment, that I spent so much time on mnk since coming to pc, I don't want that time and experience to feel wasted on Halo, because the only option is to plug in the sticks.

[@malceum]

343 lets pros develop the game balance, and all Halo pros are controller players. They don't want to lose their advantage. A new MnK pro means a current pro would lose a job.

[@NZgoblin]

Thank you so much for this video this topic is very important

[@HaloDaycare]

ill always keep it real, respectfully

[@NZgoblin]

@@HaloDaycare Thank you I feel so strange especially since I play on MnK and now I have aim assist that I cant turn off so I feel kinda like does anyone at 343 play on MnK and am I just supposed to accept that the skill gap for infinite is about learning the aim assist more than aiming. So much more to get into but I will leave it there.

[@HaloDaycare]

@@NZgoblin I have other videos on this topic and I'll be making much more

[@NZgoblin]

@@HaloDaycare Based I will watch them

[@APatchworkCanvas]

None of it works on my game. Can’t hit the side of a barn

[@HaloDaycare]

That's okay! At least you're honest about it. Respect.

[@APatchworkCanvas]

Doesn’t work at all on my game. The only aim assist happens when a vehicle drives passed me and it swings my aim towards it

[@HaloDaycare]

rank?

[@APatchworkCanvas]

@@HaloDaycare plat 2 does aim assist depend on rank?

[@APatchworkCanvas]

@@HaloDaycare does tv size affect aim assist?

[@HaloDaycare]

@@APatchworkCanvas Ill answer both of your questions in this comment. So no, aim assist strength is not dependent upon rank or skill. This is something I think should be looked into as an added feature though. Giving stronger aim assist to players like yourself would be helpful. Tv does not affect aim assist strength either. However, I would ditch the TV. Get a monitor if you can. Minimum 120hz, ideally 144hz/165hz and 240hz is the best.

[@nashwalker7]

Why does bound talk like Aubrey plaza

[@ryuseioh3507]

In halo 3 I actually preferred kbm. although I'm at a disadvantage there are def ways I can get around it: since maps in halo 3 are big and open with lots of open space and lines of sight I can choose which distance to engage opponents in. power weapons were a thing and no scoping with sniper as well as shotgun and grenade placement are better with kbm. I didn't necessarily lose because some guy had better aim than I did positioning was quite important and if I played my cards right I can do well. in infinite all of what I mentioned got thrown into the dumpster. 343 apparently decided to nerf every little advantage kbm had in halo 3 out the window. maps are very small, Claus trophic, and have an overabundance of cover: this in turn forces you to fight closer range fights well over 3/4 of the time a distance without a doubt dominated by controller since aim assist is strongest at that distance. grenade placement is a joke and anyone with half a brain knows how to throw grenades in infinite. power weapons are also a joke there is quite literally one sniper in the pool of the six competitive maps, that sniper only has 8 rounds and if it's not bad enough there's negative aim assist!!!! it's quite clear 343 doesn't want kbm players in the game!! i had a 55% accuracy in my 150 hours of infinite. as soon as I plugged in controller my accuracy rose by 10%!!! what the heck!! aim assist will quite literally be the death of fps gaming. since developers think that controller players have trouble moving their thumbs and continue to over casualize fps games making it more and more accessible.

[@HaloDaycare]

Same. H3 mnk feels amazing, Actually, all the MCC games feel FAIR on mnk. I would say it's very close to 50/50 split

[@ryuseioh3507]

@@HaloDaycare lol I wouldn't go as far to say it's fair but if you sweat you def have a chance. in infinite you literally have no chance.

[@ryuseioh3507]

@@HaloDaycare Seriously though I question 343's design choice when they make maps why are the lines of sight so bad? why are there no power positions. map control is non existent in infinite. 343 deliberately made infinite in a way that makes everything really random and chaotic many times fights boil down to who surprises who first from outta nowhere.

[@Nifty_Noob]

#NERFCONTROLLER

[@christiansmemefactory1513]

I played this game when it came out and grinded competitive with a friend on Xbox for a few weeks. Ngl, I'm proud af to have gotten the rank before final one, especially considering I was playing against literal aimbot. Dropped it after cuz there was nothing to do lol. Makes sense why I would bet straight beamed and every bullet in a BR burst was hitting me. Grappling hook is your best friend to break their tracking.

[@HaloDaycare]

Are you planning on coming back? I was told tomorrow is a BIG update for mnk/controller. Im not sure what that is but thats what I was told

[@christiansmemefactory1513]

@@HaloDaycare it seems like they gave mouse users a subtle aim assist slow down? Am I wrong?

[@HaloDaycare]

@@christiansmemefactory1513 watch my latest video

[@xx_epic_gamer_xxsherrz9132]

Didn't they nerf the Aim assist of the BR in the Winter update?

[@HaloDaycare]

Aim assist and bullet magnetism are two different things. Im working on a video that is coming out very soon. There were some changes that 343 didn't tell us

[@Shotzzilla]

The BR is much needed because even tho 343 n the community claims it was too good. It was actually inconsistent at best and this because of the rediculous amount of aa causing it to be over powered but at other times inconsistent thus lowering the skill gap I do hope n believe that the nerf will bring the elite Br users skill gap akin to the the h2/h3 days but I can only hope…

[@HaloDaycare]

True. I remember back in the Halo 3 days I would watch the pros and it was almost like they had a unique relationship in how they used the BR. Everyone's shot and ability to use the BR was unique. The difference from pro to pro was high. The difference in a level 50's BR vs a level 30's BR was massive. I want Halo to take skill again. I can't be clear enough though and do not want mnk to have an advantage. Halo should give that advantage to controller but not have it be this insane. I'd say 60/40 would seem fair.

[@Shotzzilla]

@Halo Daycare looking back on this comment I thought they were lowering aa and instead it was bullet mag 🤨further proving they don’t know jack 💩….

[@francisbawasanta6310]

Is there some political reason they don't adjust it? Or is the reason programmatic? A few ticks of bullet magnetism on MnK would be fine with me. I think I can track decent... but some more magnetism I assume would counteract the AA.

[@HaloDaycare]

They cannot touch aim assist because the majority of the player base would quit. It needs to be strong to be accessible to lower level players

[@ryuseioh3507]

gamers nowadays are casual noobs. you can thank the cod and battle royal genre for dumbing down fps games!!!

[@shawnjonap6073]

this is 100 percent not true @@HaloDaycare

[@HaloDaycare]

@@shawnjonap6073 How so?

[@Jjw338]

343 needs to stop listening to these pros that play this game 24/7, and have no life, and are good at playing with no aim assist. The aiming in this game is broken. And they need to boost the aim assist a ton.

[@HaloDaycare]

Good one🤣

[@saege1173]

AA in Infinite is way too strong. It is a horrible experience for every MnK players in ranked matches. People with controller just dont miss shots, their crosshair just sticks on players , it doesnt matter how hard you try to strafe, crouch or try whatever...this is a light version of aimbot ...The game is dead on mouse and keyboard and controller players have aimbot combat bewteen each other. Really boring .343 really made some weird decisions

[@anthonymurillo8921]

I stop playing cod because aim assist is literally aimbot so I switched to halo and now you're telling me that aa is broken here too. No way, m&k gaming is just dead. Why should I train my aim for years just to counter 10 years old kid's autoaim?

[@HaloDaycare]

Can you elaborate a little more?

[@deathtrooper2048]

I'm curious where were these people complaining about strong AA in any Halo before 2019. Infinite has by far the weakest AA than any Halo on Console (I know that AA on CE's OG PC port didn't exist outside of a console commands and IDK how it works on Halo 2 Vista). I guarantee that most of the people complaining don't even play on Xbox.

[@HaloDaycare]

As a lifelong Halo fan who played on controller from CE until Infinite, I'd be curious to know where you got that information. The aim assist in Halo Infinite is basically aimbot and most decent players will be truthful about it, and yes even controller players which the video depicted.

[@JohanDoesVideos]

aim assist is unnecessary for competitive games. It makes the skill gap between all players shorter why would you want to do something like that for a competitive game

[@HaloDaycare]

LOL, I like you

[@frenchy7523]

In some games yes, in others no.

[@NotThrilling.]

French fries

[@HaloDaycare]

Ive been working on my OW2 video for a little while. I spend a lot more care editing my videos so I dont want your guys time with bad vids. You'll see it for sure

[@HaloDaycare]

@@NotThrilling. with ranch

[@Calabreezzy]

Not sure about the ending... But overall, yes, aim assist is strong, but there is still quite the skill gap between good players and bad players in this game. Controller vs controller in a level playing field, the more skilled player wins 9/10.

[@HaloDaycare]

The ending you can see the guy is walking back slowly to see when the aim assist would cut off. Back in the old days of Halo, the cut off range used to be at a reasonable range. Im going based on memory so that may not be 100% accurate

[@Calabreezzy]

@@HaloDaycare I just question if he's actually not touching his stick. You'd have to test it out yourself.

[@Shotzzilla]

With desync bad aa and no player collision plus grenade spamming and also terrible strafe inertia it is definitely and I mean definitely not a 9/10 the better player winning lmao

[@HaloDaycare]

@@Calabreezzy 1:59 you can clearly see he is keeping his controller in view and is only holding the left thumbstick down. This also proves my point that it's crazy it's so strong people question if this is real. I just wonder how we got here and when this became acceptable

[@Calabreezzy]

@@HaloDaycare I hear him pressing keys on the keyboard. I can barely see the controller stick since it's dark. I question if it's even connected. I think you should test it and make your own analysis 🦾

[@bradenfreeman775]

Ok so I'm all the other halos it begins tracking before you are even in target. Infinite starts tracking only once on target. It's literally lower than any other halo and everyone still loses their god dn minds it's hilarious

[@HaloDaycare]

As someone who played Halo since CE and ofc with a controller up until Halo Infinite, this is not normal. Im on the fence about what to do regarding aim assist if anything at all. You can't deny aim assist has decreased the skill gap significantly but I don't know if 343 should nerf it. Nerfing aa would put lower skilled players at a point of frustration and quit. At the same time, I don't even play controller and I dropped 30 kills and 10 deaths in an onyx lobby. Mind you I'm forgetting what buttons do what. Situation is messed up for every one. If you're a lesser skilled player, this aim assist isnt strong enough and should be buffed. If you're a higher skilled player, you know this aim assist is busted. Nobody is happy except the Gold - Diamond players

[@enujy]

Halo I think you should try controller since its really op

[@HaloDaycare]

This is literally only the case in Halo. Not even every Halo game. Just Halo Infinite. Every other game that I play is a different story. So no controller isnt op, but it definitely is in one of the many FPS games I play

[@CAL1MBO]

It's like this in MWII also.

[@FelipeNiclvs.]

1:13 controller is designed for kindergarden bro. mean no ofense btw lol just to be clear

[@HaloDaycare]

I don't think I could go that farBut it still needs retuned

[@FelipeNiclvs.]

@@HaloDaycare just messin

[@EndlngAnthem]

The aim assist isnt the issue with the game. Halo infinite at its core has garbage aim mechanics, and garbage acceleration curves. The game sucks equally as bad on controller.

[@HaloDaycare]

Check out my latest video. I hopped on the sticks for a game. It's one of the more important videos I've ever made. Regardless, thank you for your input. AA is wonky for sure

[@davidfossi5016]

This is misleading… if your opponent is standing still or doing very small strafes iaim assist will help but for people really moving around then no aim assist does not help at all… it can actually hurt you.. if you’re moving to look at a guy and your cross hairs are moving on their own than you’re never going to be on target… if you understand what I’m saying… it’s not assisting the bullets… if someone runs in front of the guy you’re shooting at.. aim assist will drag your crosshairs away from who you’re shooting at causing you to miss shots… this video is very misleading and doesn’t give both sides… just people crying.

[@HaloDaycare]

Prove it is misleading and I will delete the video. I look forward to your response and proof.

[@davidfossi5016]

@@HaloDaycare just play a game with controller and see for yourself. I talked to my buddy about it. We are currently playing right now. If you are REALLY good and can hit your shots above 50 or like 60% now with the new gun… then yes assist can help because you’re usually always there where your crosshairs need to be. But if you aren’t an amazing shot or really high skilled player then aim assist hurts more than helps. Plus with k&m you can physically move your crosshairs in any direction you want fast, on controller it has to go back to center point before it can start moving in a different direction. There are pros and cons to both, acting like aim assist is identical to using a program for auto aim is wild tho

[@HaloDaycare]

@@davidfossi5016 If I were to assume your rank, I'd say gold or plat?

[@davidfossi5016]

@@HaloDaycare haha yea that’s accurate. I’m gold but I play in plat lobbies because I play with friends and they’re higher ranked. I used to be good during halo 3 days but now I’m just old and almost useless 😂😂

[@HaloDaycare]

@@davidfossi5016 Well, I'm working on a video that will help you and others stuck in those ranks. Truth is, nothing I say or show you will matter unless you let go of the lie that aim assist hurts or doesn't do anything. That is unfortunately something that if you believe, you cannot advance. Aim assist, once you learn how to use it, is incredible. You have to know how to use it though. It's kind of like tools to work on a car. It looks intimidating at first but in time you understand it's not at all complex.

[@GiordanoCapovilla]

Halo isn’t for MNK - play another game

[@HaloDaycare]

I respectfully disagree. I played Halo since CE which is longer than I can remember. I've played controller for over 15 years as a Halo fan. As a Halo fan I would like to play on mouse and keyboard now. I won't make a comment on the skill gap differences between the two inputs, but this isn't about mnk. This is about bringing back the skill gap to Halo. Have a good day

[@nagiaoe2434]

Let me guess, you play on console

[@Chris-iq5pr]

It feels perfect rn. Aim assist was like this even in Halo 3

[@BR_Eureka]

It wasn't.

[@HaloDaycare]

It wasn't.

[@CAL1MBO]

That's true

[@HaloDaycare]

@@CAL1MBO I played Halo 3 on controller for roughly 6 years. 3 of which were on a daily basis. I know I didn't specify but I've grown up playing Halo on controller. I actually have my own footage that shows the difference in aim assist strength between infinite and H3. I'd love for you to see it

[@Shotzzilla]

You sir are 1000000000% incorrect

[@thorpreston-esler1445]

lmao...it looks to me like instead of fixing the bullet magnetism from Halo 5 (ie: snipers shooting through walls on accident, etc), that they just built it into Infinite LOL

[@HaloDaycare]

TRUE

[@AnthonyAnalog]

There's like 700 people left playing this game... Wtf are these jabron's crying about 🤣🤣🤣

[@HaloDaycare]

Im crying alongside them