(OUTDATED) What's the PROBLEM with Aim Assist in Halo Infinite? Why Your Aim Sucks!

[@Kevin-uj4uu]

the older games track too. its more then just slowing down. so that debunks like half this video. also i dont like the way you praise noobie things like having a huge reticule and getting free headshots is good. that is bad

[@criticalinfinite4945]

No, previous halo games did not affect the players aim without direct input from the player. The player was the only one who could move the reticle. Next week's video might be explicitly about reticles, but the short of it is that size isn't, the only thing thats changed. depending on the weapon and range of engagement, the reticles of infinite can be actively missleading. I.e. having your reticle placed corectly and still missing.

[@Kevin-uj4uu]

@@criticalinfinite4945 yes it can effect the reticule. want to add me and test right now? Mister Arbiter. we will go and customs and test you will see. as long as you are moving your spartan or aiming, you will be tracking the other player. and considering you dont stand still very often in halo i wouldnt count that as direct input from the player. as long as you are not afk you will track players with your reticule. you can test by moving forward with one player and the other player moves across that players reticule. your spartan will start to turn towards him or go in splitscreen and test yourself

[@criticalinfinite4945]

OH.... You're talking about Adhesion/stafe magnetism (i knew someone would bring this up...) No, the game isn't moving your reticle, you are. You're just using the left stick to do it. This is what you're talking about? kzbin.info/www/bejne/fqKypYOch92ge6c Skip to 3:47 Halo Infinite is the first game to have adhesion on the right look stick

[@Kevin-uj4uu]

@@criticalinfinite4945 yeah thats it man. how is that not moving the reticule though? the reticule sticks to it thats tracking to me. just not on the level of infinite. you said the other games only slow down sensitivty and that video is proof its a lot more then slowing sensitivity move in a straight line and a target will move past your reticule and it starts to turn into him. thats the reticule tracking him

[@criticalinfinite4945]

In the video i tried to make a distinction between a "sticky" reticle and a "magnetized" reticle. What adhesion does in that video is translate reticle "friction" into a rotation in player movement. It's like a planet catching a commet with it's gravity. As you move your retice across an enemy by walking past them, reticle "slowness" kicks in causing an elipse in your movement. If that setting were raised to the max, you would strait up orbit enemy players in a perfect circle. The question is: who threw the comet? like i said, the game isnt moving the reticle around, it instead moves YOU around. The game isn't moving the reticle, YOU ARE. You're just using the left stick to do it.

[@potato1499]

Halo Infinite is the ONLY game I EVER played with a controller where I had to spend time tweaking a dozen shitty settings to make the aiming controls "Feel as least bad as possible" rather than adjusting sensitivity and just playing.

[@cuttingcrew5084]

Same here

[@bobnob4393]

You must not have played much H5 the heavy aim really screwed that game

[@potato1499]

@@bobnob4393 Indeed, it's the only title I haven't played

[@CCCXXXIIIBOT]

noob

[@deathtrooper2048]

@@bobnob4393 Halo 5 had much better controls than Infinite.

[@SossDon]

This is an extremely good video, halo was the game that got me into the FPS genre, and i have been playing ever since 15 years ago. It was weird getting into infinite because something about taking gunfights and challenging people always felt off. This video puts my mind at ease. You earned a sub outta me, keep up the great work!

[@criticalinfinite4945]

Thanks for the sub, happy to help!

[@TheLEGITstuff]

mnk and controller both feel like a night and day difference when comparing each to their infinite counterparts. movement accel is so high in this game. lightspeed. cant wait for the next vid

[@Cognitoman]

yeah I was basically explaining to people why stick drift is good in the game

[@criticalinfinite4945]

It really is. I can't wait for the pros to find out about this. You can literally 'trick' the game into enabling more aim assist all the time, when it's intended to be situational. Setting your look stick deadzones to zero actually breaks the game and gives you permanent aimbot.

[@Cognitoman]

@@criticalinfinite4945 yep ... I figured this out like 2 months ago when I had bought a new controller found out that my aim went down 5-10% then I realized it was because I had very little stick drift. Also you will sometimes hear people say “sometimes my aim assist feels like it shuts off during a fight” it’s because sometimes the stick drift on your controller stops. Also for the first 2 months of playing I didn’t realize using your right stick during a fight makes you worse at shooting... this makes strafing very bad in the games because basically your only strafing based on how your enemy is moving because your aiming with your left stick... like basically copying how your enemy moves... get what I’m saying ?

[@danielmoloney4129]

because of these changes, I find hipfiring is more dominant.... like zooming in with any weapon instantly nerfs it.

[@Numskul_YT]

halo is a game based around hip firing u mong

[@rn9854]

yeah i noticed that too. i kept trying to get 'aim down sight' to work like in COD, but figured out hip firing just worked better.

[@MacMashPotato]

@@rn9854 ADS in cod has snapping aim assist, youll never make it feel like cod without that. Bet that makes you realize you cant aim without the computer doing it.

[@LaperLarden]

Probably the most comprehensive video I've seen on Infinite's aiming. Good stuff.

[@cash7c3]

You made a mistake. You said the game tracks targets only when it detects right stick movement. This is incorrect. It starts to track when it detects movement from EITHER stick.

[@criticalinfinite4945]

Yep. You're right. I just went back to check it. I'll pin this comment.

[@cash7c3]

@@criticalinfinite4945 thanks for checking. I enjoyed your aiming comparison between older halo games and infinite

[@kanden27]

I’ve noticed this. That I started strafing my shots and just keeping my thumb off the right stick.

[@TheWiz208]

When is your updated video coming? Anticipating it.

[@Killer_Kurt]

Good shit dude. Out of everything in Infinite, the aiming is what has turned me away the most. Been playing halo literally forever, above average player, confident in 1v1s in every other halo game except this one. I only just started drifting away from the game this past month after putting up with it since launch. I hope they actually fix the aiming (and desync) because that will bring me back more than anything.. also curious what your elite controller settings are, I got one but I've never messed with the curve. Anyway, subbed, gonna check out the rest of your vids, keep it up good sir

[@criticalinfinite4945]

Thank you so much for the sub. On the elite controller, I use the aggressive setting on the right stick and put the slider about in the middle. It's not a perfect fix, but it gets your reticle turning a little faster, a little sooner.

[@Lockshot]

Thanks for making this. I'm a controller player and Halo Infinite's controls feels terrible to me... All this time I thought it was just the servers but that doesn't explain why I dominate in tactical slayer. I have a feeling that the game adjusts the aim assist behind the scenes depending on performance or some other weird metric because some games shots just land with perfects everywhere and other games feel like it takes 6+ bursts to get a kill, with perfectly lined up shots at close range especially doing absolutely nothing... and this is regardless of what server I am on. I actually don't mind the small reticles... but what I do mind is how clearly the game is trying to aim for me and it's a terrible experience. The way the legacy games did this was just the way to go. Another vital change that I noticed is that when looking down, the head "rolls" forward. This allows players with height control to peak down a ledge under them as if their neck grew out to the size of an elite. I wonder if this rolling causes issues with aim as well. I wish there was something we could do to make them fix this, but I honestly doubt it.

[@donjon6409]

You dominate in tactical slayer because it’s social

[@Lockshot]

@@donjon6409 I'm comparing to other social modes as well though.

[@donjon6409]

@@Lockshot tactical is one of the modes that has the largest skill gaps

[@Lockshot]

@@donjon6409 Shouldn't the largest skill gap be in ranked? If the aiming was fixed in this game it would be.

[@Numskul_YT]

@@Lockshot nothing wrong with the aiming it work learn the new mechanics n get on with it stop moaning cos ur faded

[@jackcolson4745]

you made my thoughts into a video. I'm sharing this with all my friends and I hope this video blows up, because people need to see this.

[@shaunmiller3825]

I feel so heard as MkB player, really reassuring that im not as trash as I truly seem to play as. This definitely confirms that I need to play on controller for awhile until something changes for MkB

[@longshot5866]

Great video. I lost my shit when I plugged in a controller and started nailing perfects. Hundreds of hours of aim trainers and I can dust off a controller and land more shots.

[@edd542]

came here because i was curious. I rarely get perfects playing on mnk and have to rely on good positioning to win 1v1s. Theres always at least 1 bullet from the br burst that doesnt end up hitting.

[@longshot5866]

@@edd542 I hear ya. If I don't land the first shot or have a grenade in flight then I'm out. Those just aren't fights kbm can win against a controller player with average skill.

[@Ty1350]

Thank you for making a video on this. I felt like I was going crazy, but I knew there was something that made it so unpredictable

[@NZgoblin]

Great video man I think this topic is really important for halo I wish there was a mk community for this game.

[@jmsoarez8090]

Great original content concerning aiming in infinite. Ty sir.

[@bobnob4393]

Fantastic video. I find the aiming feels different depending on the server. Sometimes (most notably solo duos) the game feels slow and unresponsive but the ping is low! Then other games it feels fine. Surely aim should be done on my end so should be independent of the server? Yet it's clearly not the case and I can't really find people talking about it online

[@samjuniorchimvai1241]

Don’t worry man I know exactly what ur talking about. I thought I was crazy because I would change my settings every game then I realized the same settings felt way better when I went to academy.

[@samjuniorchimvai1241]

There something way off with the games code/engine. I think it’s behind the desync/frame drops that occur game to game. I’m hoping they can eventually fix it bc I love the gameplay/sandbox. It’s just so inconsistent.

[@chrisallen9743]

I saw people talking about this on the halo subreddit. There’s something that’s happening with frame-times, or drops in general-but my MS will be low, and my FPS will still read 60, with no drops detected on the counter. Something with when the CPU gets taxed, you get drops you shouldn’t be getting. There was a topic about it on the Halo Reddit.

[@bobnob4393]

@@chrisallen9743 that's weird because I notice it much more in solo duo. It happens when my ping is like 18 and my FPS is normally about 200 so I wouldn't have thought drops would cause an issue. Maybe of I cap my FPS at the 144 of my monitor then I won't get drops? I know most pros cap it at 120 because of the series X. Maybe that's a solution

[@JohnStlouis]

Yup could be on btb with same ping 20 and the games will feel totally diff. It’s annoying!

[@Zapzap3132jarek]

It's so frustrating. I'd like to get Into the scene but after getting Diamond 1 I stopped. The aiming on controller is so inconsistent and stiff. back to MCC I guess. Great.observations.

[@cole8834]

Aim assist existing in the same environment as m+kb is cancer. Aim assisted players will always be less reliant on skill than m+kb. Consoles and controllers are relics from the late 90's-early 2000s when PCs and the internet were more niche. They're relics that refuse to die b/c giant corporations are operating on the sunk-cost fallacy. And I grew up w/ Halo on the Xbox. And most consumers are unable to realistically anaylze that no game will ever feel good with 2 entirely different input systems co-existing. It's not Infinite's fault. It's simply what would ALWAYS happen in this situation.

[@evanshipley4183]

I actually didn't know this great explanation

[@thepodium3441]

This is a great video breaking down what I started to think could be a MASSIVE problem with Infinite. I believe this is a large problem that 343 doesn’t even realize has and continues to alienate players. Many people I know play on PC and they’ve given up for the reasons you outline. I am playing with a controller on my PC for Infinite as it’s always been how I’ve played Halo and I wanted that nostalgia. But I have never felt comfortable in Infinite like I did in most Halo titles. This game never feels “good”..I thought I was going crazy. My aiming and movement muscle memory for past halo titles is still very strong 20 yrs later so when I started playing Infinite I felt like I went from a level 48 to a level 10, instantly 🤣. I understand games have to evolve, but this evolution doesn’t feel “good” at all. I’ve put Infinite down after I completed my battle pass and I have little desire to play knowing how inconsistent and off the aiming can feel at times. It’s weird, I hope they investigate and fix it 😕

[@Martin23Kings_]

They have know the aiming is terrible.

[@xCrimsonxTidex]

Although overall, the reticle size is reduced from previous games, I noticed that the size of Infinite’s reticle is tied to your FOV. The higher the FOV, the smaller the reticle.

[@shanerstokes]

Finally. I'm so glad someone too the time to figure this out. Its so crazy when you and I mean you try and track a target and the aim magnesium takes over without your knowledge. So you think its a connection issue, controller problem. And you end up fighting the program and then you are off target and looking somewhere else. Its complete BS.

[@Battou62]

Yup, tracking targets in this game feels like garbage on M/K. Add in online latency and sever response times, and it feels like bullet magnetism simply doesn't work at all. I have not picked up a controller since Halo 2 first released, and do not want to invest the time needed to become competent with controller again when I am so much better with m/k.

[@edd542]

Yeah, theres always at least 1 bullet from a br burst that misses so I rarely get a perfect let alone a 2 burst + melee. At onyx level controller players rarely miss a shot so I have to rely more on positioning, teamplay and clutch nades to get kills

[@VindictiveDesign]

Great video, highly informative and well paced.

[@ananon5771]

4:42 someone did not tell you about gyro aim. with gyro aim,the game need to give the player nothing,and the controller player gets a mouse to aim with. but the by far best solution (not perfect cause shaky hands) isn't used cause the xbox team had no foresight.

[@LeMicronaut]

Good point. I have yet to try this (don't have the gear). I think friction should still be a standard as at least an option cause the game's about fun foremost. The only situations where friction would be bad is if you start aiming from the bottom of the target, having the longest travel time to the head, or needing to cycle through many targets in one scene to hit a specific one.

[@ananon5771]

@@LeMicronaut friction in gyro aim will just get in the way when using gyro,the best gyro in games is when its dropped in the raw mouse input,imagine having friction when using a mouse,it MAY help a bit,but it would get in the way more times than not,i know cause my old steam controller config for the MCC was controller based had the gyro receive aim assist and it sucked hard (and i could not turn it off,thanks 343,really modernizing the game for me),my new config has that garbage off by basing the controls on mouse and keyboard,you don't need "help" to aim with gyro.

[@anthony-s026]

Holy ish, I’ve been saying that the controller aim feels “loose” and like I’m fighting to aim. The reticle friction and reticle magnetism you describe seems to fit that. Controller aim has not felt good since Halo 4/2A.

[@yoyo21926]

halo 5 beta had good aim. it had that classic halo feel to shoot. 343 piss me off

[@JohnStlouis]

I have no idea how to set the settings for controller . I’ve fiddled with them but go back to default because when I change it I can’t use certain weapons effectively. Aim assist I rarely see and imo it makes me worse because it snaps all the time I’m firing. It’s not smooth like halo3. Plus every encounter is diff. So hard to judge and then there’s latency and other stuff involved. Great video glad I’m not the only one.

[@bumperthumper7409]

Hey, I appreciate the amount of depth you went in to in your video but you might have something wrong. I believe the "aim tracking" that is found in Infinite is present in older Halo games as well. I believe the aim assist characteristics of campaign differ from multiplayer. I just booted up H3 with a second controller on Guardian to test out if there is full on aim tracking when the enemy player is moving. When I induce a slight amount of look stick input the reticle tracks the target fully when he is moving around/jumping. The tracking also looks to have a larger effective range than Infinite. Perhaps it's different in Reach but I have a feeling if you try to replicate what I described in a custom game you will find it tracks in a similar fashion.

[@chrishunter1226]

Totally agree. Bring back older style aim mechanics. I was Champ 96 in Halo 5 and 50 in all playlists in H4. Halo 5 aim was not great but Infinite makes me want even that back. Halo 4 and prior felt good. Infinite is a great game in other ways but is so off the mark as far as aim mechanics.

[@xrs3nal69]

What a good video man, hope to see more content soon

[@bobruiz1242]

Yes thank God someone talked about this I feel like I can't aim at all on infinite but the mcc feels so good

[@Sylvaard]

I stuck with mouse and keyboard because when I started I didn't have a controller to use. I'm now pretty good at the game but I definitely have times where it feels super slippery. I can almost never get kills with the stalker rifle, skewer, sniper as it feels like my reticle is actively being pushed away from my target. I just don't understand why they don't make the aiming like Reach.

[@dirk6503]

The most amazing thing about this system is when you are killing someone and another walks through your crosair, it will stick to the new target and you will miss your kill target. Happenend a quite a few times already so anoying...

[@thewaffle003]

Looks great! Hope this gets spread. Subbed. Here's a question: what are you primary recommendations? Eliminate reticle magnetism and smooth out aim acceleration?

[@criticalinfinite4945]

That, and a little more. Reticle tracking/magnetism needs to go, but the reticle slowing area needs to be increased, and so does bullet magnetism. Make reticles larger to reflect the changes and change thumbstick curves. Just make infinite control like every other game on the mcc. Thanks for the sub!

[@Lockshot]

Remove reticle magnetism completely and increase friction zones around target. Keep everything else how it is and then fine tune the friction between KBM and controller for balancing.

[@hashimfur9680]

Thanks for the video, hopefully it will encourage something to be done. It still bothers me how 343i has gone ahead and made so many changes to the games that literally nobody asked for. This isn't even trying to appeal to a larger audience, it's just poor game design. A thing I think you missed is how much the network seems to effect AA too. for the first few months I was playing on mobile data and sometimes my aim assist would just dissapear midfight. Incredibly jarring to play like this. Since then I have switched to gigabit speeds and have no issues with this.

[@DeviousRedbeard]

The issue, well described.

[@DeadlyKiller54]

great video. this explains everything, and why infinite sucks for us KBM players. specially with aiming. I did play it on controller as well, and they get a huge advantage in this game. but honestly, I prefer the KBM method. something about not having that aim friction, and still getting kills is satisfying af. knowing I didn't need the game to help me aim, and i got the kill legit is a good feeling. I just started playing PC two years ago, I remember when I playing halo 5. I had aim assist on, and I honestly felt like I wasn't a true gamer because I was letting the game help me aim. I took it off, and man, is it hard playing on controller with no aim assist. But the fact that this game literally tracks for you is so absurd. I get it for campaign, but honestly for online multiplayer, tracking should be taken off in general. all I ask is for 343i to make it easier for us KBM players, or take off tracking for controller, something to make it more balanced because at this rate, halo infinite will be a dead game in no time.

[@derp6632]

If the game tracks targets only when the game sees stick inputs would you recommend setting deadzones to cause a slight drift so they tracking at least feels consistent?

[@criticalinfinite4945]

In my latest video, I recommend removing deadzones entirely.

[@guittar223]

@@criticalinfinite4945what is that video?

[@Septentrional33]

Halo infinite have a diagonal deadzone like an x across the whole screen this deadzone you cannot remove Axial deadzone is like a + across the screen thid you can remove stting it to sero( its bugged so its at 2% when set to 0,1,2% ) Radial deadzone is a circle that grows or shrinks depending on deadzone size this you can remove (its bugged its set to 2% when set to 0,1,2%) Halo infinite max loock/ turn speed is 370 degrees per second Older halos have 670 degrees per second ( this affect base micro aim aswell ) Halo infinite only have 5 levels of aim acceleration but sensitivity over 5 acts like extra levels of aim acceleration Sensitivity vertical and horisontal is bugged or wrongfully placed they CAP at level 5 anything past that only increase the aim acceleration not the micro or even normal aiming only turning speed but then only the time it reages max speed not the base speed Halo infinite have a weird interaktion with its spagetti aim assist where you aim diagonals the aim assist freaks out and inverts your inputs

[@Vientus]

Thank you! I thought I was crazy but turns out I was right, 343i made a trash system.

[@filipiino96793]

The aim curve they implemented in this game is absurd. The aggressive or instant stick curves on the elite is kind of a band aid to the problem. It's 2022 and game doesn't even have a linear aim curve option.

[@hydb801]

12:22 It is only on xbox one that max sensitivity cant go beyond 5. All other platforms function properly where h>5 is higher sensitivity

[@criticalinfinite4945]

I'm actually touching on this in a video coming out very soon. Tested on pc, sensitivity works as expected, but the max rotations per second is capped past 5.10 is faster than 5 until you hit the edge, then all sensitivity past 5 level out to the same max speed. Reach does this too.

[@Septentrional33]

No this is not true it affects all platforms

[@hydb801]

@@Septentrional33 yeah but thats how it used to be in all halos. In what situation will you be spinning around quickly for long periods

[@Septentrional33]

@@hydb801 no in all other halos the 10 levels of sensitivity has always been a multiplier 1-10 Mabey you mean the vertical being lower than horisontal despite them having the same numbers that is correct

[@hydb801]

@@Septentrional33 read critical infinites (the guy who created this yt video) comment above. He agrees that old halos were the same

[@Cognitoman]

can't wait for new video

[@keineruhe]

It's pure anecdata, but on PC+controller I've had periods where I could go into weapon drills and the game would absolutely refuse to "track" targets, regardless of stick input. It's equally strange that at some point early last month it started "tracking" without stick input. No changes to my settings. I suspect a lot of people are just having really different experiences with this game.

[@NotKelloggsCornflakes]

When I aim in Infinite it often feels like my reticle is pulled AROUND an enemy instead of toward it... why does 343 constantly try to fix what isn't broke?

[@windupperson712]

It’s because they wanted to appease to the PC player base even tho halo isn’t for them. It’s essentially built from the ground up with KB n Mouse in mind and not controller

[@Lockshot]

@@windupperson712 So then why wouldn't they take what they learned from Halo MCC and adopt that? People loved KBM on MCC.

[@Lockshot]

All they would need to do to balance then would be to adjust the friction settings for KBM / Controller players, while keeping everything else the same.

[@Septentrional33]

Because bonnie ross is inkompetent

[@stoicavo6533]

Ive been wondering why it was always taking 6-8 shots to down someone even when my reticle was dead on. At first I thought the BR was projectile so bullet spread might cause only one or two bullets to land even if my reticle was right on the dome, especially in high pace strafing fights. I seem to land more perfect shots when hip firing at someone out of range for the aim assist trigger than I do in a close quarter strafe dance. It just always seems to pull me off what what I'm actually trying to do and it's costed me a lot of what i was sure to be easy gunfights. Even through all this I still come out among top 2 in accuracy / headshot kill stats on both teams alot of the time (not trying to hype myself up, just meaning it's a little reassuring to know my aim is solid and all this weirdness isn't just messing with my head).

[@TaskerFilms]

This is a great video bro

[@gloomykasumi8580]

Dude this is crazy. I knew my aim didn't feel good and I couldn't really put my finger on it. This new auto aim shut sucks imo.

[@itsWhicker]

People stopped playing reach mcc pc due to controller being much stronger than M+K. But yes controller does feel different on infinite yet still vastly superior to mouse.

[@LeMicronaut]

Yeah I would've liked to have seen a comparison in the video as i think the fairness was a little oversold, but mk+b made me love the movement in h3 and h2 using the bruteshot/grenade jumps.

[@DarkLordDeimos]

As someone who hates the aiming in Infinite, but loves both MCC (well at least H2A/4, I hate H3) and especially Halo 5, can you explain why Halo 5 feels good and Infinite feels awful? Reticle friction, just like MCC?

[@criticalinfinite4945]

Gotta be honest... I beat the h5 campaign once, played a few games of matchmaking, then f'ed off back to pc. From what I can tell, halo 5 had no reticle magnetism/tracking. Like mcc it relied more on player input than artificial aim assist. It is also the case that halo 5 compensated for it's issues by having ridiculous amounts of bullet magnetism.

[@Lockshot]

@@criticalinfinite4945 I agree too much bullet magnetism is annoying. reticle magnetism is just stupid

[@deathtrooper2048]

@@criticalinfinite4945 Halo 3 and 5 have similar amounts of bullet magnetism.

[@Septentrional33]

@@deathtrooper2048 no the do not gave the same halo 5 have serveras times higher aswell as hitscan halo 3 use projectile on every weapon

[@GameOfJoffrey777]

Nice video. Quick questions. Do you recommend Zero Deadzones on both the Look and the Move stick? Or just one of them exclusively ? Also, what's the best Aim acceleration in your opinion? 1 or 5?

[@criticalinfinite4945]

I use an acceleration of 5. I'd use 10 if it were an option.

[@francisbawasanta6310]

Can you do a deep dive into Halo Infinites Dsync and server tick issue? Also why packet loss and jitter are so prevalent... This game is soooo rubberbandy compared to other fps I've played. Lately it's basically unplayable... All of the movement acceleration and aim assist are secondary concerns when 1 second you're walking on a catwalk and rubberband into the water. I really think a 70ms ping is advantageous over 20ms because the higher ping means you're not actually where they think you are where as a lower ping means you're really just sitting there with a bullseye waiting for everyone else to catch up.

[@Wylie288]

You want him to do a deep dive into an issue the most active players have experienced 2 or 3 times max? This is also the guy that confused data types with units in a debugger. I wouldn't listen too much to him anyway.

[@Cognitoman]

hurry up and do a strafing video bro lol...Im waiting very good content dude

[@criticalinfinite4945]

It's up now! kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHetl357rslob7s

[@Cognitoman]

@@criticalinfinite4945 nice dude gonna watch it soon.

[@DredgeX97]

And here I thought it was because I don't get to play that often.

[@hamsterwolf]

i think the aim assist in infinite is also very affected by network connections cause there are days when i have perfect aim and others where I cant hi the broad side of a barn. the bad aim assist also explains why my ability to fight off one v 2 scenarios is so much harder in infinite i have been in fights where the aim assist has literally pulled me off the almost dead target to shoot the guy next to him.

[@VindictiveDesign]

So if I am understanding you correctly, and correct me if I am wrong, Halo infinite’s aiming system is an over engineered POS?

[@criticalinfinite4945]

Basically. It's simple from 343's end, but on ours.... .

[@Jrad117]

Is that why Iam getting shot in a firefight when I go behind walls?

[@Racin808]

a very very very great video.

[@Martin23Kings_]

The aiming is so bad in this game, I'm actually surprised more people don't complain about this huge glaring issue. Even other fps games like apex and call of duty are way better. They should've stuck with H1-H4 aiming.

[@kadebass6187]

well the solution would be gyro aim for controllers (no need for aim assist) but xbox controllers don't got a gyroscope so unlikely to occur. Now what is gyro aim and why no need for aim assist (granted the no need for aim assist is rather complicated). Gyro aim is the process of using the gyroscope to aim (obviously); you use the orientation of the controller to aim specifically in the pitch and yaw fashion or instead of yaw you can use roll or both. What this means in essence is that you give mouse like aim if not directly however instead of operating in a 2D space (i.e., on a flat surface) you operate in a 3D space (i.e., rotational and not like Wii sports where you fling and swing your arm about). The complication here is it can be affected by minor movements so naturally you set it with a lower sensitivity and use the stick for broad movements (traditional or flick stick). Now how is that complicated, well not all people are the same; some shake more than others so there is an aim assist for that. How it functions is indirectly or in other words there isn't a need for a target to be there let alone it doesn't aim at anything specific; it picks up on random movements and tries to counteract them. The thing is, is that it cannot tell the difference between you aiming at a target or not so any small movements will be interrupted so at a higher skill level you would want this "feature" off. Why does this matter well it's all about making for more natural, more direct means of aim and even the playing field across the board by not nerfing one or buffing the other artificially but rather intuitively and not without player input being interrupted positively or negatively. If you have any questions you can ask (and no dismissal of gyro aim isn't a question)

[@damfamyass2088]

I play controller on infinite and I hate it too it feels like I’m fighting the game trying to aim. The way the game processes the controller input is slow sluggish even almost feels like I’m back to playing on a ps3 on a 60 inch tv it feels so bad. I’m on pc btw.

[@maicoxmauler2825]

"THe cOrE GamEplAY iS gReAT gUys!" The core gameplay:

[@alexanderwilliams1570]

I personally turn aim assist off in any game I have the option to but MCC I don’t find it a bother when I can’t. Infinite’s aim assist makes my aim worst because my reticule will be stuck on a part that I don’t want it to be on and When I move my analog stick more toward the head when using a precision weapon I end up over correcting over and over and over again and I don’t deal with that in any other shooter I play or played

[@AgniFirePunch]

I thought I was going crazy

[@efrainruiz8793]

Ok, I know a trick that is key to win with the BR You have to spread the BR shoot as long as you can. The BR shoot 3 bullet and you only need to hit one bullet. (it’s not like Destiny or Cod that you need to put all the bullets in the target) The way you spread the BR form 3 bullets landings in the same spot to 3 spread shoot (…) is by flipping the joystick 🕹 and shoot in a correct order Is not the same to BR like (…) to BR like ( . . .) or like this ( . . . ) Notice how much more margins of error you have if you spread the burst fire. Remember, the 3 bullet don’t have to land on target, only one bullet or two are needed to cause a 100% damage BR is 3 shoot to the body and a final shoot to the head. This final shoot is more difficult because aim assist become more weak.

[@chasp9369]

So it’s not just me? I thought I just lost my touch

[@death24314]

Nope not just you. My aim with controller sucks on infinite

[@Ramounskee]

0 deadzone is the way to go

[@EternalDahaka]

Aim assist pull/tracking/adhesion/aim bot has been in Halo since CE. It's not at all an Infinite addition. Infinite/recent MCC makes it more obvious with allowing small/zero deadzones, and functionally getting 'always active' aim assist as a result, but every Halo game dramatically moves the reticle with input from either stick. Tracking is almost necessary to couple with reticle slowdown because slowdown alone would make tracking targets a nightmare by killing your sensitivity every time you got close and forcing you to fall behind. Infinite's default center/axial deadzones are the same as Reach's, and the max threshold is the same as Halo CE/2's. Outside of notably lower sensitivity, Infinite's controls are functionally comparable to Reach. 'Skirting responsibility' is a poor way to frame giving these options. Infinite's controls have issues, but these basic options are 15+ years overdue, and defaulting to fat axial deadzones is in huge part in why aim assist exists in the first place. They're actively detrimental to thumbstick accuracy. The shape of the curve itself(the look acceleration is more of a multiplier for it) doesn't seem to be significantly changed in Infinite, but the general sensitivity is lower compared to previous games. Something that illustrates this, is the general sensitivity still increases properly after 5 sensitivity, but it's the maximum accelerated turn speed that caps after 5. I'll need to formally test it, but that cap is most likely carried over from Reach, where anything over ~360 degrees/second is ignored. Roughly doubling the sensitivity values should make it comparable to Reach.

[@criticalinfinite4945]

A couple of notes.... Much of what you say is correct, however adhesion/reticle tracking is new to the right stick. It is possible to experience a limited form of reticle pull by walking towards an enemy moving perpendicular to you in legacy games. This effect is extremely minor, exclusive to the left stick and entirely driven by movement. As for the limits of sensitivity itself capping at 5, I have a video almost out that confirms this. 10 is faster than 5, but they have the same max rotations per second.

[@criticalinfinite4945]

Okay, so I just went into reach and odst firefight with my deadzones disabled. Sure enough, you're right. Ever since mcc launched on pc, I've used a mouse and keyboard and the last time I played halo seriously with a controller was years ago. Though, tracking in infinite is much more aggressive, and friction/bullet magnetism is reduced. Also movement is more jittery than any of the mcc games, which means tracking is more aggressive. Sorry I got this wrong, I'll correct it soon.

[@criticalinfinite4945]

It's very hard to notice over the competent reticle friction/slowness, and the tracking itself is much less significant, but it's there. Because halo infinites movement is so jittery, you feel it more aggressively, and reticle stickiness and bullet magnetism in infinite is still at its bare minimum. So while halo mcc uses a myriad of different aim assist techniques to help you behind the scenes, infinite relies much more heavily on pure reticle tracking/adhesion (aimbot). The balance between the aim assist methods is just different in each game. In mcc, the goal of reticle tracking is just to keep your reticle fixed relative to your target while you take aim. In infinite, because reticle friction area, is reduced to the bare minimum tracking/adhesion serves to follow and manipulate, not stabilize your aim. I'm sorry I got this wrong, thanks to you and another guy named kevin for helping me see the difference. I'll try to make this right, so my viewers get the full picture.

[@EternalDahaka]

@@criticalinfinite4945 I don't know about the exact strength values between the games, but CE and 2 seem to have significantly more tracking than Infinite, at least compared to your examples. That's most likely because of the larger aim assist 'window' in those though. The small window in Infinite might have been too far. I'm not a fan of the slowdown for making things feel inconsistent, but having it change right around the target is probably worse. Good to know you're covering the sensitivity thing too. I tested a bit to confirm that in Infinite, but not in previous games yet.

[@gidamanco]

@@criticalinfinite4945 Halo Infinite tracking isn't as aggressive as Halo 2's was.

[@MacMashPotato]

Is that why i do like 200% better with a controller in infinite, despite preferring mouse and keyboard for all other shooters.

[@d4mb20]

343i can't make a competitive game

[@HeyShotgun]

They also removed it in halo 3 mcc now

[@ArfooHuroo]

ok I watched the whole video and although I'm a PC player, I feel like from watching this I've come to a conclusion... People don't talk about it much, but I think people are just frustrated that Halo infinite is HARDER to play LOL

[@Septentrional33]

I play doom eternal with controller aim assist off and snap on off You cant even Edit deadzoned and it still handles better than infinite

[@ArfooHuroo]

@@Septentrional33 ya I play PC, handles fine IMO

[@Septentrional33]

@@ArfooHuroo what deadzones do you play with if I may ask

[@chakrameditation6677]

Sometimes you don't want to try, and just chill and play. Infinite, it's extremely hard to do that. It's pure sweating, and takes away the casual play.

[@HIMISOCOOL]

Are there any setting on controller which objectively negate some of these issues?

[@criticalinfinite4945]

Aside from turning look stick deadzones to 0, no.

[@eeeeyuke]

So what settings do you currently recommend even if they aren't perfect?

[@LeMicronaut]

What a disaster. I think when mk+b players trash aim assist, they think it's reticule magnetism which of course would lead to situations where the mechanics can counter a player's intention. I may just be a casual, but i think halo should always be more forgiving with hitboxes and friction cause most weapons have long ttk's (even for mk+b). Halo has always been more about map knowledge and positioning over fine motor movement or even having the fastest reflexes. Missing targets by a few pixels at mid/short range never feels good and it gets worse with age. Grenade use is far more critical than having the most reliable four shot cause a well placed grenade forces movement, hits more than one target, and pops shields. In MCC, Mk+b makes cqc and bruteshot jumping way crazier but I still feel something's different for mk+b beyond friction zones. I constantly got mopped by mid range br controllers for several weeks.

[@mjolninja9358]

My aim already sucks to begin with, no wonder why it doubled down

[@aarondunne5588]

Has anybody got settings that match Halo 3 or Halo Reach?

[@f4ptr989]

It’s so annoying, the aim assist automatically tracks body shots and moves your reticle when you try to go for headshots.

[@ryuseioh3507]

bullet magnetism is on kbm as well dude. I'm strictly a kbm player.

[@JermVVarfare]

Magnetism across the board is trash, bullet and ret. Buffing the ret "friction" zone I'm fine with. I say the bullet magnetism box nerf is a good thing but adding/increasing ret magnetism is not.

[@Numskul_YT]

so you think shooting past someone's head but still getting a headshot is good? you think aim assist before you land on the person is good? you think bigger reticules is good? ur the type of person that cant git gud at a game n blames the game everyone else is getting on jus fine with how the aiming works 343 aint gunna change it jus for you so learn the new aim mechanics or move onto a diff game.

[@dbs3023]

I use a controller my aim assist is hit or miss. wish my pc had aim assist like this. Sometimes I’ll have it other times I don’t. This causes me to not play this game sucks. If I don’t start the game up correctly with my controller I lose aim assist. Took me years for figure this out and I still have games where my controller aim Assist it not working at all.

[@ohalohuntero]

The "aim magnetism" you mention does exist though in legacy halo games here kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmauZHaBmZqDnMk . Unless i'm misunderstanding your point. You only show "aim friction" on static targets. When an enemy moves it will drag your reticle in early halo games too. I agree the fact that infinite turns off aim magnetism when you're not using the right stick is bad though, it makes it jarring and inconsistent feeling. The aim acceleration curves are definitely an issue too.

[@sugarhouse8512]

MCC 100% tracks for you as well.

[@chakrameditation6677]

Most of all, it's friendly to new players and noobs. Infinite will have vastly More Players, if there was more forgiving.

[@efrainruiz8793]

I can’t believe that so many people think that Halo Infinite aim is difficult It’s easy dudes, many of my friends reach Onyx in the first season and I only play 6 game and reach Diamond 💎 5

[@eaglesclaws8]

I want the option to turn all this off.

[@adrianthom2073]

I do find aiming in Infinite sucks compared to pass titles. It is best to aim by strafing then trying to actually aim at the target.

[@heythere6804]

Why did they do this, I was wondering why I felt frustrated even when I was doing good...they should take the game down until it's fixed imo.

[@chrishall2594]

343 can't ever get the basics right. Not a single time

[@JhonConners]

don't talk shit about the controller settings sliders by saying 343 did it to own up to their mistake. that's the type of thing that makes devs NOT want to give us customizable settings which is NOT healthy for games.

[@Austism_]

Halo infinite aiming is the worst thing I have experienced in 10 years of playing fps games and combine that with mouse and keyboard it just sucks. All they had to do was copy mcc and they fucked it up.

[@dalekirkpatrick2512]

I CANT HEAR YOOOOOUUUU!

[@darkmatter-mc5iv]

so the curve is the reason why I keep getting shot around corners, or is that inbuilt lag? edit: Also, I think that mouse is better because they have more control than controller players. That, or the game is biased.

[@donjon6409]

I’m absolutely insane on controller. I tried no aim assist in Onyx solo / duo controller. 17-6 with 5 assists. Learn how to adjust your settings to your liking. I understand others have issues but I don’t have any issues and never have

[@death24314]

My aim sucks on controller. I tried adjusting the settings but still haven't fixed it

[@donjon6409]

@@death24314 gonna take some serious focus with this. It will be worth it I promise. You want the aim to be smooth where you feel as if it goes where YOU want it to WHEN you want it to. It has to feel like you can make micro and major adjustments at will without the aim flopping. My sense personally is 4/4 with 5 acceleration. My deadzones are very low as well. I am confident with my aim to the point if I see an open target I know it’s a 4-5 shot. Test messing with your settings against bots in weapon training, make sure you’re not spamming the trigger as well but instead timing your shots in Rotom rhythm

[@supernice_auto]

you mentioned 'new slipspace engine' lol, halo infinite is a modified blam engine, slipspace engine' was scrapped. if you're going to make an insanely critical video on nuances of a game at least have all of your information verified.

[@criticalinfinite4945]

When changes are made to an engine and that engine is renewed, it is a "new" engine. The official stance is that the engine is modernized "but parts of the original blam engine remain." Halo reach, 3, odst and destiny are all technically running distinct engines. Take infinites audio engine, it's completely new, therefore we use terminology to reflect this. The slipspace engine is derived from the blam engine, but it is still distinct. The proof is in vehicle physics, as they had to be rebuilt from the ground up. This is why they feel different.

[@supernice_auto]

@@criticalinfinite4945 I don't believe that's accurate. The original plan was to build a complete new engine from the ground up, without reusing any code from the blam engine. They began attempting to do that and then realized it was too large of an undertaking and then went back to modifying the blam engine. Slipspace was effectively scrapped. You can throw a new name on an old engine but the reality is it's not a new engine lol. This is a big part of the reason it took 6 years to deliver this game in the pathetic state that it's in, they wasted a bunch of time and threw away a lot of work and effort.

[@criticalinfinite4945]

Here's an excerpt from halopedia: The Slipspace Engine is a game engine developed by 343 Industries.[1] The engine itself was created for Halo Infinite, allowing developers to have more creative and technical liberties when creating game environments and mechanics. The Slipspace Engine also enables Halo Infinite to evolve as a platform, with new content, mechanics, and stories being added regularly. Around the release of Halo 5: Guardians, the engine was secretly worked on, and took several years to develop. The Slipspace Engine demo unveiled at E3 2018 was the culmination of years of work, and was created to showcase the level of graphical fidelity the engine could achieve.[1] While the engine itself is largely new, remnants of the old Blam engine remain.

[@supernice_auto]

@@criticalinfinite4945 yup that's not accurate LOL- it's been confirmed that slipspace was actually scrapped- infinite is just a highly modified blam engine lol- 343 is a joke.

[@criticalinfinite4945]

www.343industries.com/slipspace-engine The "theory" is that microsoft wants to licence this engine out to the public, much like how epic collects royalties through unreal engine. Microsoft has its hands in everything, personal computing, software engineering, deep learning.... everything except game design. Microsoft wants a piece of this pie, and halo infinite is the tech demo. Bottom line: halo infinite makes changes to the gun play mechanics that are alien to the halo franchise.

[@AleCardenasRealtor]

Bro just practice, sooner or latter you will get better

[@a-zmindset6624]

I hate this game so much! Makes me rage! I thought i was terribble at halo when i first played, but i see the game is inconsistent. One game i get 10+headshots and another game my shots wont even connects! I just turn it off when it starts bs ing me! Rockets go through ppl. Swords battles feel very inconsistent. I absolutely hate the sniper in this game. It feels sp hard to use. I play on controller! Great video, but its not just tge controls. It feels like everything about this game throws you off.