The Tudor Black Bay 36 - The Best Rolex Explorer Alternative?

[@GKK1963]

Bought my Tudor BB36 Black dial in 2022 after seeing it at the AD. The Piano Black Dial looked elegant and simple. I wear this watch everyday from mowing the lawn to swimming in the ocean and this is my most favorite watch ever! The BB36 is a very understated watch! 😊

[@kitcarturboprinz898]

Have had mine for a good few months now and the love grows more and more. It's just so versatile, clean looking und beatifully balanced. In addition I good the Unclestraps Jubilee bracelet that fits with Tudor's original clasp which makes it very hard to choose this or the magnificent original Oyster bracelet. It's the favourite watch in my small collection by far!

[@anthonythornton8478]

Absolutely love my BB36 but the lack of micro adjustments meant I couldn’t get a perfect fit until uncle seiko released a half link for the watch, problem solved!

[@Ritol90]

I had been wearing my bb36 on a rubber strap just to wait for the sales launch of half link from uncle seiko, been wearing on the fine bracelet with the half link happily which I think it's what makes the bb36 complete

[@ricardofigueras7597]

Where can I get the half link for this watch I'm having that problem now

[@IvanBustos]

Just got my BB36 and I ordered the half link from Uncle Seiko before even getting home haha

[@MauriceLeane]

Had one of these since Feb 2018. Superb, cheap to service, low key, great legibility and dealer gave me 15% discount without asking as 36mm was seen as to small at the time; how wrong were they.

[@thewhippetwhispereretal4438]

I got the BB36 with a blue dial two years ago. It's an excellent every day wear watch. I can't see how an Explorer would be worth the extra cash and wait for it to become available.

[@comeonman7423]

The blue dial looks gorgeous, prefer it to the black dial

[@michaelfierman3256]

Great review boys. Though i'll admit I bought mine because I felt it was a better value ( in early 2020) than spending $5K on a 15 year old 114270, I absolutely loved it. Which kinda came as a surprise as I had gone in to buy the BB58. it's a super watch. The black one especially. Thanks for the review.

[@12and60]

Thanks for the support! The 114270 is a great watch too, but I think the second hand prices are crazy. Like you I just couldn't justify the purchase.

[@nickchavez4037]

Loved the BB36 when I had it with the silver dial. The only cons were the legibility, which if you have the black dial, won't be a problem, and the power reserve. Fantastic watch though.

[@12and60]

If they'd have blacked out the hands and markers then the silver dial would be fantastic.

[@simonhodgetts6530]

I have a BB36 with a black dial - it’s a superb watch, and I love the understated style. I’d love an Explorer, but this was a third of the price, and it feels a high quality timepiece.

[@robertmclaughlin5708]

Great video! great shots, lighting and overall filming and content........Which makes me mad! because I want an explorer, just ordered the Lorier Falcon series 3 as a tide over, and am strongly considering the BB36, and well shot videos like this make me burn for one twice as hard! great video and review!

[@natusMCMII]

I've been to my Rolex/Tudor AD the last week to let them know that I'd be interested in the Explorer 124270. Unsurprisingly I got told that the chances of me getting one within a year are slim but I got to try it on and it's all I want from a watch. After that I asked if they also have some Black Bay models for me to try on and I got handed the Black Bay Pro and the Black Bay 36. While the Black Bay 36 is also a great watch, I personally know for myself that I want the Explorer and not some alternative for it and I'd also suggest this to anyone that's in the same situation as me. Don't go for a watch just because you can't get the one you REALLY want, it won't make you happy...be patient and enjoy the hunt for the real deal. (not saying that the BB36 is lesser of a watch, if you enjoy it that's great, just don't buy it if it's only your second choice, that goes for every other watch too)

[@coffeeboyclips1973]

Agree 100%, wait and save up for the watch you really want, it works out cheaper in the long run.

[@watchalot919]

I have a blue version. It's a lovely watch, just falls short of the Rolex OP's movement. I own both, but if I'm honest can buy a Chris Ward for a lot less, and in reality is just as good

[@brett2396]

I love your instagram and I've been looking forward to this review Turned out to be my favorite BB36 review! I own this watch and I don't think it gets enough by love. Most people write it off for not being a Rolex or not having an in house movement. It's a higher grade version of the ETA/Sellita movement like you said that's highly regulated. So if no one told you it wasn't in house, you wouldn't know the difference because it performs just as well as the movement in these Rolex watches. I think you get so much value with the BB36, especially used.

[@12and60]

Thanks for your support Brett! It's very much appreciated 🙏Just sorry this review took so long to get out. I wrote it ages ago 😅

[@resjon7981]

I prefer the BB36 in every way over the Explorer especially the price! This will be a classic watch.

[@michaelriera6277]

I had considered the BB36, but then got the call and went for the 124270. Regardless the BB36 is a solid alternative. Great review!

[@12and60]

Thanks! I completely understand why you'd get the Explorer if one came up at retail. If they were readily available I think I'd have got one too.

[@RedwoodAggie]

I'm a bigger guy (6'7") and find 38-39 wears like 36 does on some people. I've tried the blue 36mm model on, as well as the silver in 41mm. I really am hoping Tudor updates these black/blue steel models with the new cases/sizing options. I didn't like the way the 41mm model looked, but would absolutely love 39mm. I'm still lamenting the discontinuation of the 39mm Explorer, and this in 39mm would fill that desire for me.

[@12and60]

I'm sure they will. I'm just not sure why they didn't update these with the S&G versions earlier in the year. The only reason I could think is that they have more inventory of the steel to clear first. I wouldn't be surprised if they release an updated version later this year or at the start of 2023.

[@RedwoodAggie]

@@12and60 I think you're right. We will probably see that version updated in early 2023. I'm already picking up something (TBD) a bit more expensive than that this year anyway, and probably wouldn't also buy another $3K+ watch that quickly. Next year is fine with me.

[@davidcoleman2796]

Hey . The new v3 san martin bb36 is really nice . Get it with the SW 200 Swiss movement. $500 us . I'm so happy with mine . It's my vacation watch .

[@kilasracingfactory]

Found you website and your videos are equally as well made, subbed!

[@12and60]

Thanks very much! 😁

[@cicirelliwrites]

A question for owners out there. I know the bracelet, at the clasp, has one rigid link which, I have heard, may make the bracelet jut out from your wrist, if your wrists are on the smaller side. Have you noticed this? My wrist is about 6.5"

[@akronorka]

I wore the blue 36 every day for the last year, but just recently traded in on a 39 ranger. I was convinced the 36 was perfect for my 7.1” wrist, but as time went on I kept thinking it looked too small for my stature. My wrist is average but I’m not a small person. For years I lusted after the old op 36 with the maxi case, should have bought when they could of been had for less then 6k. As for the ranger, I think the size is right, just the face looks big/void at certain angles due in part to the cool/funky domed retro crystal. Totally different vibe from the black bay. Jury’s still out, we’ll see if I still have the ranger this time next year.

[@kanemillard3315]

my brother has this watch and its a fantasic piece.

[@simonwright6882]

I have the bb58 which I adore. I could definitely see this along side it or maybe one of the new 39mm models 🤔

[@moorwatch9654]

Excellent video, also worth noting this watch’s movement is pretty much universally serviceable, really like the Tudor watch pouch too, where did you get it? Subscribed 👍

[@12and60]

Thanks! And you raise a good point! The pouch was from when I sent my BB58 in for repair.

[@skyemoviesF89]

Great video. The BB36 is next on my list of watches to get.

[@hendersonshorology]

Another great video James, lighting on point. I think when the MT movement gets added these will look like even more of a bargain alternative to the Exp. That polished bezel (of both) and its scratches would drive me nuts though!

[@12and60]

Thanks Ryan! Your support is always appreciated. 🙂 Yeah, I can't wait to see the upgraded version. God knows when they'll release that though.

[@jwso]

The new S&G model line comes with MT calibre and micro-adjustment on the jubilee. The old S&G model was around 4000€ and this new one is close to 5000€, so those two updates essentially added 1K to the price. I believe the eventual regular BB36 update will also be quite pricey, that should make this current model with its smiley dial quite desired.

[@tfresh99]

Cool vid! Great watch! I would add there can be a wait list for this model as well as the bracelet may not have enough links for 7in or larger wrist. Purchased one last year as an anniversary gift for wifey, but I’ve considered getting a NATO strap so I can borrow it.

[@12and60]

Good call! It looks pretty good on a NATO.

[@relosapulso]

How many links does the bb36 have?

[@MasterChronometer]

Been thinking about getting one of these for ages. Not sure whether I should wait and see if they release an in house version.

[@12and60]

I'm sure they will. Not sure why they only updated the S&G versions this year. I imagine the steel ones will get the same treatment either later this year or early next.

[@chriszivoder2650]

It's not that Rolex watches are rare, they're common as muck on the used market. No one wants to own a Rolex to wear, they just want to make fast cash. As soon as someone buys a Rolex, it's back up for sale. It's the Rolex watches available to buy from the AD is where the issue lays. This is why true watch enthusiast look elsewhere. They see past the games and find alternatives and in some cases a better watch for half the price. Tudor have exploited this gap.

[@12and60]

Well said!

[@adamkidson4444]

Gangsters and criminals like to wear a Rolex though

[@bfaustini3]

artificial demand

[@jacekbzdzikot2704]

Love the content , well done guys :) Have both bb36blue and 124270 and they are amzing and i truly think that 36 its a great alternative for eplorer

[@richardbosh4522]

Do you guys feel good on your purchase? weather is the black bay 36 or the black bay gmt pepsi because of rolex any regrets?

[@joeygreen77]

Fabulous video. The BB36 is epic. 👌

[@SoCalWatchReviews]

Great video and I agree with everything you said 👍🏼

[@12and60]

Thanks mate!

[@Raoh1st]

Don't you think 3k is too expensive for a sellita movement found on sub 1000 usd watches?

[@arnahaud5371]

Does it exist in 39mm ?

[@12and60]

Not yet. Only the Steel & Gold models come in 39mm currently.

[@Miserereion]

Design-wise I like the BB36 way more than the Explorer. Snowflake hand is better looking and more unique than the mercedes hand. The triangle-circle-baton indices makes a better dial proportion than the 3-6-9 Explorer’s dial.

[@carlmoulton5719]

controversial but all about opinions. I have both the bb36 and an explorer mk2 39, as nice as the tudor is, the explorer is in a different league on every level.

[@ronpower7790]

The BB36 should be looked as it's own thing, not a stopgap to an Explorer... personally I think one of the most perfect dial execution ever, from the geometric elements to the size and proportion. Had a 114270 and 214270... personally I like the BB36 more.

[@adamkidson4444]

I love the Explorer but I'm not spending £6100, especially for a watch you can't get so it's Tudor all day for me until they go up to an unaffordable price to.

[@stanl1979]

Great video. New subscriber here. 👍

[@johnmuthan286]

I would personally say SanMartin interpretation of both the 36mm explorer or BB, with a sw200, are the best alternative. Great quality for the price

[@marcuschamp1460]

...well said John ..... personally I much prefer the 36mm Armida A6 Explorer homage with the ETA 2836 movement to the San Martin , the Armida has the original style numerals without any aged lume and a very unique seconds hand ...... I love the styling of the original Rolex 1016 Explorer but since Rolex no longer makes such a beautiful watch and if they did they would charge outrageous prices and considering the stupid prices for dodgy vintage pieces one is left with little alternative than to thank microbrand watch companies for satiating sensible watch enthusiasts needs ........

[@12and60]

I've been tempted by the Armida A6 before, but never pulled the trigger. The San Martin stuff doesn't appeal to me, as their pieces always seem too close to just being rip-offs. Though these days homages tend not to appeal to me as much as they used to. (with some exceptions)

[@marcuschamp1460]

@@12and60 .... the quality of Armida is seriously good , I have the 42mm A1 dive watch , the 38mm A12 62MAS with vintage correct aluminium bezel , that is in my opinion better than any other 62MAS out there including the quality control plagued Seiko ..... and the absolutely superb A6 which is simply divine ...... whilst Armida are not the cheapest watches out there they are well worth the money and several times a year they have a 15% off sale ....... and no I do not work for them I just like sharing my joy with others about excellent and affordable wristwatches ...........

[@comeonman7423]

I absolutely love the Explorer 1, the BB36 is lovely but it’s too expensive to be a cheaper more accessible alternative. Instead I have a Smiths Everest for that

[@BowlOfSalmon]

good stuff mate. on a roll !

[@12and60]

Thanks very much Tom! ☺

[@AmunRa2024]

I respect Tudor because they refuse to lower their standards to let it's big brother Rolex hog the spotlight.

[@carzakone333]

Vintage Rolex case bevels Vintage Tudor snowflake hands Vintage Rolex oyster bracelet Vintage Tudor Smiley dial with big crown Thanks to their founder Hans Wilsdorf making them glow at their ways🌟

[@JaxWatchesandEDC]

If only it came with 2 extra links on the bracelet

[@danielwiles5869]

I think this is still too expensive without the Tudor manufacture calibre inside

[@timchan334]

Its obvious where rolex/tudor’s direction is going…sort of like the lexus/toyota or audi/vw route

[@jeff346]

Seiko dresskx, the best alternative of bb36

[@jhonprince8621]

BB36 all day all night🔥🔥🔥

[@epicunderstament867]

This is indeed the ultimate alternative to the Explorer 36mm! Shame that Tudor decided kill this off.

[@Sigmatechnica]

yeah it costs 50% more now.

[@radical026]

Would've been nicer if they would've put a Tudor Ranger style dial in this case - Tudor is increasingly being degraded into a heritage brand rather than capitalizing on its own models and it's sad to see. Especially when there are some good models they could bring back.

[@12and60]

5 days later and you've got your wish (sort of)!

[@pleaseenteraname833]

Poorly fitting bracelet and no AR is rather frustrating at this price point… it would benefit massively from the T-fit clasp.

[@HereForTheStories]

Can we spot perpetuating this nonsense about Rolex availability. It’s a marketing gimmick. 1 million watches produced per year, there are a ton of these around.

[@carlmoulton5719]

yes, 90% are on the grey market hence the ridiculous premiums

[@kiddorange1450]

i just cant get past the O ring

[@todaysgrailtomorrowsbeater]

Why do people wear their watches so obviously tight?

[@jjakiefte2165]

Why do some people wear their watches loose as if they were bracelets?

[@tuomolehtimaki6533]

@@jjakiefte2165 Yes! Who the fuck wears watches so that they move up and down on wrist and some psychos can even roll their watch around the wrist! 😂