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#twitch #hasan #xqc

[@Optilex42]

c’mon… I want you to do it I want you to do it… c’mon, pin me… pin me… PIN ME!!!

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

You don't give a man what they want.

[@bvoyelr]

Your name should be Post McPinny.

[@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle]

​​@@Lobsterwithinternetwell this aged poorly

[@drfye]

You merely Adopted the pin, I born in it, molded by it.

[@evannewman8381]

Does this count as fair use of the quote?

[@mawnkey]

The worst part of all this is that people watch Hasan or XQC in the first place.

[@MidWitAndProud]

XQC got famous because he was very good at clicking things in a video game. His brain is like 90% white matter and 10% grey matter.

[@Karsh.]

Dunno, I've seen like a few accidental clips which included that XQC guy and, so far, he just seems to me like the Zoomer version of some regular centrist dude. It's just that with the generations the "I just want to grill" turned into "Whatever, dude, I just want to watch some random shit on the Internet (while it's streamed to thousands of people)". I don't really see the appeal of actually watching such a guy for hours, but considering how many other much worse people you could be watching instead, this seems like a decently respectable position to me.

[@aopt471]

his brain is 90% no matter@@MidWitAndProud

[@jedd.0322]

I can barely understand what the moron XQC says and I understand full ebonics and redneck speak his butchered English is on a level unlike any other

[@MidWitAndProud]

@@aopt471 I disagree. He is a good FPS player, but still quite simple minded. White matter of the brain is the stuff that connects everything together, so my joke was that him having a lot of it would make him have some great reaction times, but having no gray matter(responsible of the heavier "calculations") would make him, well him.

[@malicekerendu3574]

Ironically enough, hasan is the most reactionary content "creator" of all time

[@gamemaker1802]

I mean, considering who his uncle is, is that really a shock? Like, same gene pool, same amount of shit for brains.

[@ioannesantonakes910]

hahahahahahahahahahahhahahah

[@Drawingsagespaz]

It’s rigged it’s clear that his gamer chair deserve that title more than he does.

[@someguy4405]

MUCH LIKE HOW ODIN REACTED TO THE TYRANNY OF YHVH BY JOINING THE POLYTHEISTIC ALLIANCE

[@SaberInferno]

​@@DrawingsagespazYou do see the chair without him in it almost as much as him in it

[@adamgoldbein3105]

A reactor is a consoomer disguised as creator

[@cookiecreep9204]

To me it's the pauses. EFAP pauses so often you can forget the scene they paused on, Hasan leaves without pausing the video to hurry his mom with making his chicken nuggers

[@sniperheroes3082]

lol

[@ImortalZeus13]

Except, unless EFAP tangents off the original point, their commentary is still relevant to the scene they’re commenting on and therefore you’d still contextually remember what they’re talking about (Also if you wanted to you could literally just watch what they’re reacting to before watching their coverage if it bothered you that much)

[@cookiecreep9204]

@@ImortalZeus13 doesn't bother me at all. I'm watching them for the commentary, not for what they react to. While Hasan and others like him just use other's content for free money.

[@_Carlos]

"To really understand what's going on you have to watch like 5 videos on Destiny's channel, which collectively are about as long as a single efap"

[@filthy_peasant_the_one2134]

none of these words are in the Bible

[@TheAmericanPrometheus]

...efap?

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@filthy_peasant_the_one2134But they ought to be!

[@MarcoGlory]

@@TheAmericanPrometheus Every Frame A Pause.

[@pank3245]

​@@filthy_peasant_the_one2134Jesus was an Omni liberal

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

I genuinely don't understand how people enjoy watching these people for 8 hours straight

[@Ohnonono123]

We don't watch for more than a few seconds, we just put them in our second monitor while we work or game so we can feel like we have a friend.

[@Unapologeticweeb]

The only reaction videos I watch are anime reaction mashups of multiple creators Mainly because I want too see what others think about said episode and for example the Luffy gear 5 hype

[@connorshaw-case6030]

The people that tune into shopping channels. Not allot there

[@connorshaw-case6030]

@@Ohnonono123 while you could watch almost anything else XD. Still shit content

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

Lead in the pipes.

[@throwaway7969]

I think Callum's arguments from the Lotus Eaters were pretty good on this, 'Just make good stuff'.

[@dontcallthemliberals3316]

Intuitively it feels like there are just too many full time amateur content creators. If you struggle to find inspiration to make quality content you should probably stop oversaturating the platform.

[@vane909090]

Why bother making good stuff when you can just steal and get away with it? Hasan become a millionaire doing the bare minimum, and even that is mostly useless.

[@markzuckergecko621]

"....but I don't try to bait you in with a cute girl" Yea Dev, but you DO try to bait us in with that sexy cartoon avatar of yourself. Uwu.

[@theALTF4]

DANG canadian chub n tug GRRRRRRRRRRR 🐯🐯🐯 😻

[@DeaminZaints]

"Time to pause Baldurs gate and look over" just activated my fight or flight response

[@charmandyorton006]

This is just the Elden Ring meta all over again

[@harrisonjodeit4340]

Did you pause it?

[@handofgod3278]

One can hate Ethan as much as one wants but nobody can deny that the man knows his stuff about fair use

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

He knows from experience.

[@sworddomo1951]

He also can hit home points like no other.

[@chillstoneblakeblast3172]

He only won one court case against one mentally ill individual. I hardly call that a win. He's a massive grifter that pocketed money to buy his mansion

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@sworddomo1951 “Are you sure about that?”

[@NoPantsBaby]

How do you tell you aren't an NPC. You can admit when your opponent makes a good point and understands a subject even if you don't like his take on other things.

[@TrickyMario7654]

Can we all agree that Twitch is a flaming pile of garbage now?

[@BrazenBull001]

"now"

[@lord_boneman]

Only now?

[@chillstoneblakeblast3172]

This. I despise people hating the Player and not the game

[@doomdimensiondweller5627]

I hate twitch culture

[@onionfarmer3044]

​@@doomdimensiondweller5627sounds like they need cultural revolution.

[@compatriot852]

The H3H3 vs XQC debate was one of the few wins H3H3 has had in years

[@paulghignon4092]

Yet couldn't follow through with Cenk's Nephew on stream.

[@trevorp8124]

Given how much time he spends wandering off to get chicken tendies, you could argue the power behind the throne on Hasans reaction content is his fucking chair.

[@connoisseurofcookies2047]

Hasan unironically embodying the r/tendies subreddit haha

[@charmandyorton006]

I mean, it is a seat, that counts as a throne in a way

[@mrshmuga9]

The ”harm reduction” point doesn’t make sense for another reason too. Just because one guy benefits, doesn’t mean they all will. It’s like saying because I punched you, and you met your future wife at the hospital, that it’s okay to punch people. The positive result is a _lucky_ outcome, not the explicit or even intended one. They’re pushing the positive/neutral angle as a _defence for themselves_ not as the explicit goal for the person they’re freebooting.

[@RobertMorgan]

Hey, if I hadn't gone it college to run away from home, and if my buddy hadn't have had my apt for me to offer my buddy when he ran away from his home situation, he'd have not met his wife or had his 2 kids. My actions literally made that relationship and those kids happen, and that's crazy to think about.

[@Wolf_ManJack]

@@RobertMorgan True, and that's very nice to hear - it just doesn't absolve a knowing moral actor from willingly taking the risk that only circumstance will justify their choices. If you bet someone else's money on a coinflip, you're basically doing what streamers do when they replace potential viewership, regardless of if the other party is willing to risk a major loss of face by confronting someone larger. Good to hear about the wife and kids though, hope you're all well.

[@JaakkoKola]

"If you're watching me on your second monitor, now is the time to pause Baldur's Gate and look over for a minute." You make me feel like a clown sometimes Dev

[@RobertMorgan]

Videos play on the 40", I do side work while that plays on the 32". We're adults, after all.

[@jackalenterprisesofohio]

Jokes on you I don't even have a monitor.

[@oversizedtrashpanda1100]

I'm in this video and I don't like it

[@p.s.shnabel3409]

Meanwhile, I'm at the other end of that spectrum: I'll pause anything I watch if I even so much as want to respond to someone. Only one sensory input at a time, thank you very much.

[@paulghignon4092]

He got us all

[@killaronjones3933]

this all proves that a huge number of streamers: 1. Think they're entitled 2. Struggle to be entertaining to their own audience. it really does solidify the idea that a lot of streamer subs/watchers are just lonely people who want to do everything with their streamers, like watching KZbin.

[@wintermintmojo2418]

Jay pretty much hit the nail on the head years ago. “Just dont take the piss”

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

Reaction content doesn't hurt anyone. Cope

[@guestb8389]

@@just_a_turtle_chad SILENCE *[BOT]*

[@wintermintmojo2418]

@@just_a_turtle_chad Never said it did. I enjoy react content. Theres an obvious difference between quality react content and trash tier react content. X and Hasan just tend to lean towards the latter. Seethe harder bot.

[@viermidebutura]

before or after trooning himself?

[@vane909090]

@@just_a_turtle_chad Spend a long time and much effort creating something, then enter little old me, ctrl+c ctrl+v your entire content, add my 2 cents, boom content.

[@thiccpalpatine]

The whole Jontron segment at the end of the video was interesting considering Jon had the exact inverse of what dev talked about with creators devolving into lazy content. The fact that Jon left doing easy let’s play videos to make highly produced content that required a lot of time and effort is not only commendable, but it also paid off for him in the long run since he’s arguably bigger than ever. Another reason he’s one of the KZbin GOATs in my opinion.

[@theALTF4]

yeah, not big enough nowadays, not the interesing BUT! i still love that good ol chum

[@Liquid_Mike]

OneyNG is the only letsplayer who hasn't devolved into obscurity or corniness

[@ShiningTaiga]

I was thinking the exact same thing

[@Ithaca-vv5dy]

Yes! Literally best lets player ever

[@ganondorf66]

If he gets pulled into drama he just ignores it. That's how it's done.

[@TheRenegade191]

There's also ManlyBadassHero who has been consistent for over a decade, but he's not much of a variety streamer and has his Genre he sticks to.

[@JValor]

He has devolved into the former, and is also unironically has severe troll's remorse.

[@thomasbonatti9341]

I like the way the Sword Community on youtube handles this. They always make "reply videos", where they will make a video with some of another video, and they will actually respond and add to or disagree with the video. And you get back and forths between channels going on, and it's probably great for engagement with BOTH channels. Channels like Shadiversity, Metatron, Lindybeige, and skalgrim. All awesome, wholesome, and based

[@nicholashodges201]

Same with gun video creators. When Kentucky Ballistics had his accident on camera it created about 2 dozen reaction and counter-reaction videos dissecting the accident and discussing how to prevent similar accidents in the future. The accident was defective round exploding in a .50 rifle while KB was shooting it, BTW. Not an act of stupidity or carelessness. Just really bad ammo in a really nice gun...

[@darwinxavier3516]

I think there used to be a built in system where video replies could be posted in the comments.

[@tyrannicalchocolate]

The great thing about the sword community is that it’s such a practical hobby the reply videos are almost always based around a physical demonstration of why the original video is inaccurate. “This sword is rubbish it can’t do this.” - “Yes it can, watch me!” It naturally lends itself to transformative conversation, but professional Reactors just play random videos they have no insight or knowledge of, and can only say “wow guys” “that’s right” because they have not prepared anything to add to the conversation.

[@thomasbonatti9341]

@@darwinxavier3516 i think they do still show up somewhere, i forgot where though

[@thomasbonatti9341]

@@tyrannicalchocolate the sword community is awesome because it's anchored in practical objective reality. They go over theory, and then try to apply it. It's actually quite scientific a lot of the time.

[@Anchor-Supreme]

I feel bad for creators like Lemmino. Dude uploads once a blue moon, but his content is the some of the highest quality on the platform. But, his content is ALWAYS stolen by react channels that get way more views than his original video. I only wish he would call these people out or even press charges for content violations.

[@absi49]

nice, i didnt knew that channel and did a quick search and the channel seems super interesting, gonna watch a couple of his videos later on

[@TheAmericanPrometheus]

I used to watch Lemmino back when his channel was called "Top Ten Memes" when I was in middle school. It's impressive to see how far he's come since then.

[@TwoBs]

Yea, going through his old content is a bit of a trip. It’s like reverse hacking - you know, when a good channel gets taken over and posts shitty top 10 content to then die in obscurity because no one wants to see that shit. His, however, went from crappy top 10 content to some of the most well put together content out there with his own original music, animations, in-depth research, etc. where the videos are beyond engaging and leave you wanting more. Like two different channels in one.

[@RobertMorgan]

Meanwhile I'm going wow, it's great all these other channels are coming UP to Leminos quality, all it took was like 5 years. Even Dev is catching up!

[@commisaryarreck3974]

​@@TwoBs except for the JFK video That just hyperfocussed on a single building and ignored all extreme inconsistenties while calling everyone a conspiracy Theorist at the end

[@iamwrong2239]

Remember when people made fun of people like Jinx(?). Time seems like a flat circle

[@bug5654]

Blah, blah. Blah, blah, bla-bla-bla-blah....

[@filthy_peasant_the_one2134]

I can still hear him eating cereal over random videos

[@ImortalZeus13]

Jinx was better at reacting than these people.

[@LagrangePoint0]

@@ImortalZeus13 Jinx is a name I haven't heard in years, what happened to that guy?

[@ghoulbuster1]

Who?

[@KoongYe]

A content creator spends months ceating the content and earns a pocket change. A react streamer spends no time and earns a fortune. Who'd want to create sth in this environment?

[@RobertMorgan]

Solution is for no one to make anything, just like golden age pre-google real KZbin was. Wild West, anything went because there was no millions a month carrot to threaten with a censorship stick

[@zerosam5541]

Life is not fair

[@p.s.shnabel3409]

Agreed. But then ... do any of these platforms actually want independent creators? So, if creators give up for whatever reason, win win for the powers that are.

[@dontcallthemliberals3316]

As Dev said though 9/10 times it costs you your soul to sell out to react meta. Doing the right thing vs doing the easy thing will take you on very different paths in life.

[@naruroGCS]

The funny thing is that long "documentary" videos are really common rn. KZbin and Twitch eating good while the dumb creators argue with each other smh, maybe how about both the creator and braindead reactor just dont ask them to make something as a referal or split for React content system?

[@saisameer8771]

Virgin react videos vs Chad talk about random stuff for 12 hrs while a video plays the background every once in a while.

[@P_C-]

If the stream pauses every time chat sends a message, then I would consider it transformative.

[@asmkalrizion7078]

I love reacting to a reaction of a reactor reacting to a reaction of reactors

[@dickcheesehead9714]

I'm reacting to this. Reactinception, brah.

[@90maducc]

A lasagna, if you will.

[@BleachDemon707]

Wow. You're witty. 🙄

[@The420033]

You will enjoy Josh Strife Hayes and his reactions then!

[@simonbrosseau1783]

I also enjoy reacting to a reaction of a reactor reacting to my reaction

[@inadvertanly86]

Darkviperau made a great video talking about this. It was pretty well done. His script was 14 pages long.

[@afzalsheik5288]

His source: He is a GTA 6 voice actor

[@eeelorde9962]

Yep saw it was very good and informative

[@BlazingOwnager]

100%

[@misterlamprey7777]

maybe ill watch it in a stream sometime

[@sy-cho_boy1238]

14 PAGES!!!! GTA 6 voice actor writing 14 PAGES!!!!!

[@bungoboy5718]

It's funny because KZbin could totally lean into this and create a Watch Party stream system where streamers can curate content and give commentary on other creator's videos and the views from the stream can be share by both the streamer and the original content creator but I don't think KZbin could be bothered to add something like that.

[@xX_Pokeman_Xx]

I mean, fuck, KZbin even had a similar system in the early 2010s. I don't recall the name, but the person could put together a playlist and then watch and live chat with others who tuned in. It wouldn't have taken much to retool it into what you're suggesting.

[@terrancecloverfield6791]

That would never work because of how serving ads work. If you combine both channels, do you add twice as many ads? And what stops creators themselves from sharing their pot outside the system? Just like the music industry, whenever collaborations happen, these items are negotiated in advance.

[@nothingreallyrhymeswithora9377]

LOL. You assume "reactors" would be willing to share revenue. Nice joke. Let's face it. Reaction videos (most of them, anyway) are often considered stolen content for a reason. Imagine working hours on a video for some clown to "react" to it, and then you get nothing while they get the benefit of views, subs and, of course, money.

[@EarthBoundBean]

It's funny that Johntron was talking about what ended up splitting up the original game grumps. Let's plays can be done well like Oneyplays. I watch those videos over and over just for the conversations between Chris and everyone

[@MaverickhunterXZero]

Something tells me xQc and Hasan especially would copyright strike their own content if people reacted to them, if they made content. Hasan will usually walk away and let the vid play and money flies in.

[@FJaypewpew]

That’s what I thought was crazy when this initially came out The people fighting hardest to keep it don’t have the ability to create the content they consume Their idea of content is either loud noise funne, outrageous claim is outrageous, or angry/funny reaction Compare that to when shit like Xbox ahoy came out or even stuff in the vain of Jacob Geller or any of the long form game or story analysis, it’s a completely different beast It’s actually telling a story with a through line, probably with a traditional 3 part structure I doubt most streamers could also sit down and make a 10 minute analysis of a topic that interests them

[@IndirectSoter]

A true socialist xD

[@benhillman8384]

Usually clowns like this take videos down when they’re copyright struck to deny further income being contested but after the damage is already done to the original content’s potential reach.

[@zerosam5541]

Hasan will if it make him look bad

[@where_is_sauce]

If you're wondering, most content creators don't get nearly enough of a bump in watch hours and video retention (the stats that matter) to break even with the lost views, so unless the creator says otherwise, it's safe to assume they lost money

[@RobertMorgan]

Good. Removing money from online influencing is step one to saving the world. Remember how great the internet was when everyone was joking about fictional Internet money, how the charlie bit my finger and keyboard cat and the chocolate rain guy, they were internet trillionares, IF anyone online paid for anything, but why would you, it's online, it's free. I'm a lifetime conservative Republican capitalist, and yes, I'm saying internet Marxism is the sole way to save us.

[@RobertMorgan]

At the very least, getting rid of ads online would save the equivalent of billions of lives each year, just through not wasting time alone. Some companies that rape us have to die, that's terrible, oh well, you can take that business to the non-rapey competition.

[@where_is_sauce]

@@RobertMorgan lmao just turn off the computer, you're responsible for your time lost as there are people who don't lose it

[@_____._..--_]

@@RobertMorgan Just use an ad-blocker.

[@OH_MY_DOGGG]

Nostalgia critic is crazy. I think he puts a lot of work in. Theres this one bit where he says. "Which Reaction Face Will I Make?" and while I can see how that bit can be done through editing. I still think he's crazy.

[@OH_MY_DOGGG]

@@bitty_beastly47 Even the compilation video is 80 minutes long. When is the good part of it?

[@pyrrhusofepirus8491]

@@OH_MY_DOGGGJust write ‘Nostalgia Critic Oneyplays’ you’ll see it.

[@MrNickPresley]

@@bitty_beastly47wasn’t he fine with it? I think the only one who was left assmad about Oney was Linkara.

[@bitty_beastly47]

@MrNickPresley yea Doug Walker appreciated it. I hope Oneyplays has him on. Linkara would have more of a following if he didn't get upset about it

[@DrakusLuthos]

Oh god, this brings me back to the Jinx days! Good ol' GradeAUnderA.

[@Zetact_]

There's a fine line between a commentary channel and a react channel. JonTron throwing shade at Game Grumps in an only semi-jokey way while on Game Grumps is really funny. And what's extra relevant is that apparently the Game Grumps channel has a somewhat regular segment reacting to their own videos (don't follow them any more but I remember seeing some of those in my feed from time to time).

[@konstantinosnikolakakis8125]

One reaction channel I really like is Vlogging Through History. He’s a historian who reacts to history content and adds his own points, or points out things that the creator didn’t mention, and fact checks, that sort of thing. Whenever a big history video comes out on KZbin I go to his channel to see his point of view.

[@anthonymichael1259]

Ayyyyy I love that channel. I remember he got into a controversy recently too because of the react content

[@RobertMorgan]

History Buffs is a great channel like that, they take a historically based film and recount the actual history it was based on, what they got right, what they got wrong, what was made up, it's excellent.

[@SGT676]

Another cool thing about his channel too is that he never makes a reaction the same day the video goes up since he want as much views to go to the original video

[@reviewspiteras]

There is a video of XQC complaining that his audience would spam on the chat "stop pausing" if he tries to comment. You get the audience you deserve XQC, they are low expectation, low intellectual capacity people who I theorize just open your stream to have background noice because they can't be alone with their own thoughts for once

[@TerryB01]

Twitch is still a thing? Sad.

[@Joe-it2dh]

Ginger Prime actually broke down the numbers and reaction content does in fact hurt the content creator, especially within the first week of uploading as that is 90% of the total views. It CAN help with older content but when streamers react immediately after its uploaded it severely hinders the original video.

[@HoleLeashIt]

React content is a guilty pleasure of mine. It’s kind of the closest I’ll get to enjoying music and movies I love for the first time again. I don’t get why a lot of xqc or hassan’s audience demand them not to interrupt, rather than just go to the original source

[@SkylineFTW97]

With how common piracy and torrents are, IDK how people don't know this is an option.

[@TyudroWymoreEdgartyu2]

Have you seen DarkViperAU's reactor series?

[@P_C-]

Consent after-the-fact or saying that monetary benefit trumps consent partially misses the point, assuming the use isn't transformative. If someone can use my work without asking for permission, or just "pay" me afterwards, still shows that society doesn't respect my property rights. Why should I make content in that case?

[@RobertMorgan]

I feel the only reason to make content is if you have something to give away to public domain. If you profit, perish. I miss old school pre Google KZbin when it was about content rather than cash. Get 10 million views, the payment was you got 10 million more people that zero to see your views, that's worth Billions. You have to have a message worth that, and I'll watch it for free or steal it, or not at all. How the fuck did we get to where we're paying for digital content? It was never like this in the past. Knowledge needs to be free. Now, I'd happily pay for actual costs, but not for time. If KZbin started charging creators for bandwidth they'd all be gone in a month. This video alone would cost Dev tens of thousands to host for a month. The monetizing used to be the free hosting, it was the only place.

[@williamjenkins4913]

It's like saying you were planning on giving back when caught stealing a car. At that point it doesnt matter. You already did the thing.

[@HiImMach]

I always like the "I can't ask permission during a stream, it's a stream" argument. It's their problem, not everyone else's. They chose the medium, it doesn't give them the right to take something they haven't worked on, without permission. None of this is difficult to understand, they're obviously just playing dumb, until the "meta" ends, like it's some sort of game. The moment some of these streamers became somewhat internet famous, any and all principles jumped out the window and made a principle shaped grave on the pavement below.

[@playlistforlistening]

xQc doesn't strike me as having witty or insightful commentary to add.

[@Sceptonic]

Have you actually tried watching him or do you just parrot what the general opinion is

[@Unapologeticweeb]

Nether do most anime reaction channels then again they produce hype and laughter still more then xqc's deadpan look

[@Unapologeticweeb]

​​@@Sceptonicpretty sure xqc demonstrated his lack of wittyness when he loses arguments to 12 year olds in Fortnite

[@Sceptonic]

@@Unapologeticweeb thats one instance

[@Hello-gk1wq]

Xqc honestly sucks tbh 😕

[@kazekamiha]

Funny enough; not that long ago there was a bit of a dust up between Vlogging Through History and CGP Grey; VTH is a reactor who does historical content who always stops the video now and then to give additional context or corrections to the point his videos can double in length and did a couple of Grey's. Grey opted to file a strike. No contact, no please stop, no dialogue; just instant Nuke Button. He filed a second when VTH challenged it and compared him to Hassan. Needless to say, coupled with him clamping down on who can comment, CGP Grey has lost a few subs over it.

[@theALTF4]

ouchi-huahua! but cp Grey suposedly was one of the msot sensible and rational people on this retched plataform :(

[@kazekamiha]

@@theALTF4 Everyone has a blind spot.

[@kristiannyfjell8097]

The argument that the channels get more eyes on them falls flat, as demonstrated multiple times by DarkViperAU.

[@Sceptonic]

You cant demonstratively prove that

[@kristiannyfjell8097]

@@Sceptonic and why may that be?

[@Sceptonic]

@@kristiannyfjell8097 too many factors to account for

[@kristiannyfjell8097]

@@Sceptonic Somebody should tell that to the climate scientists, or economists... Yes you can, and it's called data analysis of time series.

[@Xplora213]

@@Sceptonicdude, you actually can. YOU might not be able to do the data. But others definitely can. KZbin could. But they are a scumbag corporation who profits off the theft. You should learn multi variate analysis. You would be surprised what you can learn.

[@principleshipcoleoid8095]

3:57 this is why those abridged parodies on KZbin can be fair use! They often fully change the context and the meaning

[@SkylineFTW97]

Shame what happened to DBZ abridged. The world they made has some greatly different outcomes

[@Embarrassed4U]

These streams are a replacement for real life social interaction.

[@km099]

Yeah, it's kinda sad and dystopic

[@MrSTVR]

Wow dude that's crazy! *goes into another room without pausing*

[@absi49]

like 10 years ago a bunch of reacting content and youtubers were "banned" or ill seen by the comunity for being considered lazy and basically plagiarists, suddenly a few years ago the same content rose again in popularity and almost everyone is doing it again, humanity never learn and always repeat the same mistakes, but with internet that process is speed up a LOT lol

[@sethisevilone02]

aslong as they pause to discuss it and add meaningful reactions commentary its good

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

So the real question is ‘what counts as meaningful’?

[@eddardgreybeard]

You got some smooth brains out there that gripe about the pauses.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@eddardgreybeard HA HA EFAP GOES PAUSE PAUSE

[@crimsonking440]

So as long as they do that thing they dont ever do. Got it.

[@austinmaddox6612]

Transformative content is like the obscene: difficult to define, but you know it when you see it

[@nicklasveva]

Meanwhile we have Sitch & Adam going on two hour tangents about topics related to the video that is 3 minutes long.

[@pank3245]

As much as I hate to say this Asmongold is the golden standard of transformative reaction commentary. Especially his videos on anything related to World of Warcraft, Dark Souls or MMORPGs. Almost all of his videos comment sections are engaging with his talking points that he made in the video creating a discussion.

[@FJaypewpew]

Ye as much as I dislike seeing a trending video with “streamer reacts to”, Asmongold does juuust enough to skirt by if I’m being harsh but the amount of times he says what I was thinking at that same time makes me more accepting of it Dudes smart as evidenced by the mizkif stuff

[@AndrewChumKaser]

Asmond has made it part of his brand to discuss the topic he's presenting, which is transformative. He's never only been about just watching something and going "That's interesting" and then doing nothing. To put it another way, Asmod's chat doesn't get upset if he pauses the video and starts talking about it.

[@Norrieification]

Haha, you nailed it. Asmongold isn't my cup of tea. But the dude knows his craft.

[@genevievec.8002]

I've recently started watching Asmongold, and yeah, he actually does discuss - agreeing, disagreeing, adding information.... it's not as common as it should be.

[@simonbrosseau1783]

Asmongold also do a great job of always emphasizing the name of the video, the name of the KZbin channel, and always encourage it's viewer to go give it a like.

[@Return_of_Godzillas_Revenge]

To me there's a pretty simple solution, which is to treat it the same way they treat movie reactions. Guys who react to movies would never be crazy enough to just show the whole thing, they either edit their reaction or tell their audience to watch the movie on their own device while listening to the audio commentary. Just link to the youtube video and tell the audience to watch along. Literally open that shit on another tab and you get the same experience while also ensuring the original creator gets views.

[@BlazingOwnager]

You know everytime Hasan wants to go on giving you Free press you should be glad bro, you have to ask him why Marvel doesn't want him to give them free press by running all of their movies while he eats ramen noodles

[@hermanspaerman3490]

I get so sad every time I am reminded that Hasan is a big streamer, somehow I lose hope about humanity.

[@MikeHunt-zy3cn]

Truly a "won't someone rid me of this meddlesome priest" moment.

[@frhorizons]

A good middle ground based on the third argument of boosting the original creator's views is notifying the OC's during a stream, rather than having them find out afterward. Even if xQc or any other react streamers are halfway through the video, the OC's should have the right to either ask for a percentage of the revenue from superchats, or even tell the streamer to stop stealing their content. Whatever happened to the common human decency of asking before borrowing?

[@RobertMorgan]

Remove the profit, remove the problem. Only those willing to whore for free remain, far better. Go back to pre-google KZbin. Everyone complaining they only got this stack of millions when they DESERVED THISSSS stack of millions for their blog is tiring. They're like landlords but with even less provided services.

[@Cri_Jackal]

I feel like it would be a good idea for platforms to develop a "joint view" feature, wherein you can put in the link to a video you're reacting to and have the platform automatically count all views on your upload as views on the original video, and add them to that video's view count. This would obviously be a difficult thing to implement on Twitch, but it should be a simple thing for KZbin to do.

[@MyNamesNotLars1]

Reaction content is great when the streamer actually REACTS and provides a level of entertainment above the videos in question. Ghost Politics/TCR is my favorite example.

[@ALE199-ita]

Can we take a moment to respect Jerma for being the most creative streamer in all of Twitch and KZbin?

[@Levi-gh1sq]

Along with dougdoug

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

Who?

[@Xellos14]

What is wild and annoying to watch is that this drama is just "People problems vs wealthy people/corporation problems", since I can promise you none of these streamers would be able keep their stream or VODs up if they're trying it with the latest Marvel films. Anime react channels tend to need heavy editing and obfuscation to keep the react gig running.

The issue is that KZbinrs don't issue copyright strikes on them and don't challenge them. You're getting abused because you choose too.

[@TheHogfatherInvades]

Meanwhile, false copyright is rampant.

[@Unapologeticweeb]

That's because the concept of fair use seem to be completely arbitrary based on who and why they do it hence Hassan get of scot free because other progressives will just bail his ass out

[@-Azure.EXE-]

So every KZbinr should be cognizant of whenever some random streamer decides to 'react' to their content? That sounds incredibly retarded. Getting a KZbin reupload taken down is obviously something these streamers don't care about. They have already extracted all of the benefits from playing the video on their stream. They get to stream longer and have the donos and other stuff from during the stream.

[@KnightOfTheWired]

for someone who has copyright stuck once upon a time I can tell you its a pain and they will let it ride for as possible. Basically the one who has the most money will have you dangle for as long as possible so you either get tired and just give up. Most youtubers dont have a legal team to do it for them as the tools given are medicore at best.

[@Itariatan]

It's not really worth it for the KZbin creator.

[@KickYouInTheThroat]

The sting the Fine Bros felt has not lost its potency one bit. That was some old world skullduggery attempted to be applied to the internet and the new economy. Super ill fated from its inception.

[@theawkwardpotato264]

Ive quite enjoyed the wellspring of content lately. Keep up the good work man.

[@amorencinteroph3428]

Hassan seeing a highly polished youtube video to "react" too: "We made this comrade."

[@C0ldIron]

I do enjoy reaction channels but mostly things like “tribal people react” which includes things like giving them food they have never had before and music video reactions. Particularly watching people react to country music.

[@FJaypewpew]

That’s really not the type or “react” that is colloquially referred to at this time The format is pretty much the same as the fine bros but the context is wildly different It isn’t 1st world westerners with similar experiences watching 1st world westerners and their opinions on a topic, tribal reacts and such are insight for the westerner into a culture and way of life completely foreign to most of the viewers Often times because they’re “reacting” to mundane or common items a first worlder doesn’t think remarkable

[@edwardadrn6398]

This is so unfair what else those streamers supposed to do, die??

[@longloco1]

Yes

[@Unapologeticweeb]

Produce original content?

[@LagrangePoint0]

lmao, I understood the reference.

[@algardaus]

First video by Dev where I haven't given a shit about what was being talked about ever. I consider this a win considering how many videos you make. Thank you Dev.

[@hereisapictureofabroom]

I'm starting to absolutely love your content. It's these long form videos jam-packed with tons of information and nuanced takes, while not sounding overly pretentious or superior in any way. You earned a sub from me!

[@LOSTKILLERDRAENEI]

Asmongold does it right. Pausing it constantly (to the annoyance of some people) to pipe in his own perspective on it, then reading what the chat says. His videos can go 2-3x as long as the original video he's reacting to.

[@Niles_Ism]

I find it adorbale how hypocritical people are when they call out xQc for pulling this shit and then they praise moist critikal for doing the exact same thing.

[@szechuansalrisa7062]

Any time I see a moist critikal video show up on my feed anymore, I just immediately mark it as not interested because I know it’s going to be half of him repeating the same point ten times and then switching to him reacting to it on stream

[@userequaltoNull]

At least Charlie is a bit better about it than these guys from what I've seen. Still isn't great tho

[@Unapologeticweeb]

Atleast moist critikal and asmongold actually comment on the topic in the video making it transformative there is a big difference between actually commenting and walking away and getting some chicken nuggets

[@TheHogfatherInvades]

I remember when Charlie's content wasn't cookie cutter dog shit too

[@chillstoneblakeblast3172]

You can already tell they are on the same team and pretend to care about the little folk when they only care for their own, just like politicians Unironically.

[@simonbrosseau1783]

Love the three you made. Also, there could be a two rules system. Streamer can stream themselves reacting to any videos and consent is implicit, but: 1. Any content creator can ask a streamer to no longer stream their videos, and they have to respect that in the future. 2. The revenue of any VOD uploaded on the same platform where the content creator is goes to the content creator. I think that would make sense because it is very true that the market is not the same on Twitch and on KZbin

[@user-xf6ef8ec4z]

"Stop pausing!" Damn, if only there was a place to watch that video where you were in total control of when and where it pauses...

[@stanleyharno4534]

One issue I have with the "creators consented, so it's ok" argument in this case is that it could be argued it's for some under duress. There could be many creators who aren't happy with twitch reactbros but they aren't prepared to start shit with them, so they act cool because appeasing reactors' audiences and hoping you'll be" paid in exposure" is their next best option. It's pretty obvious at this point that if you dare criticize Hasan in any way, he's gonna call you mad, drama whoring and alt-right because you are friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of Sargon.

[@sarco5138]

I think that one point that seems to remain largely unadressed in this whole debacle is the total market impact of react streams. Specifically on KZbin, react streamers are a strain on the whole platform. Reactors are able to produce videos at a much faster rate than original content creators, by piggybacking of original videos by the dozens in a single stream, allowing them and their fans to upload dozens of more clips, which then recieve impressions that would have otherwise gone to an actual content creator. By usurping impressions they can eventually hope to win over the youtube algorithm, further increasing their sway on the market as a whole. I highly reccomend DarkViperAU's videos on the subject (kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6POaZtmlt1ol7s) as it seems he is the only one who has thoroughly laid out why this is such a big problem.

[@TheDefectiveAI]

Two ways you could make this work out so everyone wins. Organically: React channel viewers have the decorum to watch the videos either before or after watching a reactor’s reaction. Mechanically: KZbin setting it up so react channels can tie their views into the original video and/ or partner with twitch to do the same function. If either was implemented then react channels would become the ideal signal boost and people would hate them less. However, both unlikely as it would require either for the cast majority of people to care enough to do more than they wanted to (good luck with that), or for KZbin and/ or twitch to add a helpful function to their system.

[@austinh7110]

SFO is on a roll with the videos rn

[@stigmaoftherose]

I still want to know why members only videos block background play.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

no idea

[@stigmaoftherose]

@ShortFatOtaku so I did some googling and it seems it's a "bug" that randomly applies to members only videos sometimes and other times it doesn't apply. So I downloaded a modified version of the KZbin app that just works around bother backgr9und play lockout.

[@Gloverfield]

​@@ShortFatOtakupin me and I'll give you 5 bucks

[@ShortFatOtaku]

someone beat you to it, better luck next time

[@ArikaStack]

Hi Asmongold! Good to see you reacting to this video! Throw this guy a sub, he makes good videos and plenty of content to engage with.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

what, is he lol

[@90maducc]

Every time someone talks about the react meta, I always remember Darkviperau’s essay on this topic.

[@No_Doe]

Still feel like the whole "you benefit from the exposure" is just survivorship/confirmation bias

[@defenestrationstation5771]

One person who I think does reacts content really well is Asmongold. Firstly, the man can turn a 10 minute video into an hour long react video and his stream viewers constantly make fun of him for it. As well, it seems like more than half the time he actively chooses channels or videos that are not super well known and there is a correlation that if you make quality content in WoW but just haven't hit that critical mass having him react to you will usually cause that start. Thirdly one thing that he does is actively subscribes to the channel and tells his followers to do the same while actively choosing to not skip the ads that the person has. I really think it just comes down to how much of an effort you put into transforming the content I would say around half or more of the length of the videos probably the correct amount of time but again it's the case by case basis

[@ITzSa3d]

W streamer

[@bleepbloop1762]

You must be joking? You a fan ssniperwolf too? 😂 they are both cancer..

[@0fuxGiven]

QVC

[@loganeasley4343]

DarkViperAU wrote up an excellent script and has a video about this very topic, he explains how reaction content is harmful in a very clear and easy to understand way.

[@zincminer]

I felt called out, when you said I should look over on my second screen, although it was Inscryption, not Baldur's Gate

[@rackneh]

It's so 2023 Ethan to absolutely grill someone for something his co-host is also critized for and completely ignore that fact Good to see he can still make somewhat decent arguments even if there's a shit tonne of cognitive dissonance wrapped around it. Sad to see his further decline

[@loke801]

Beating the human equivalent of a lobotomized chimpanzee in a debate isnt that much a win tbh.

[@Sceptonic]

​@@loke801lmao

[@eeelorde9962]

Hasnt he in favor for reaction channels like in the past or im misrembering something things?

[@BlazingOwnager]

H3H3 is just the saddest Fall from Grace

[@rackneh]

I thought adblockers didn't make that much of a difference, I turned it off for this channel and I immediately got like 3 ads. Get that bag bro

[@PregnantOrc]

If you pause almost as much as Asmongold you are safe to react away in my book

[@napoleonfeanor]

I think so because he comments a lot, pauses often.

[@omensoffate]

Nah he mostly just rambles garbage if you actually pay attention to what he says

[@williamjenkins4913]

@@omensoffate As Dev said we are not judging content this time. We are judging style.

[@napoleonfeanor]

@@omensoffate I don't necessarily disagree but content quality is not important in regard of this topic

[@MrRyleco]

At least for the KZbin reaction content, a solution could be some sort of sync app where the streamer could play and pause the video being reacted to for their fans. KZbin gets views, and streamers can react win win.

[@pyro886]

i love lemmino's videos. my favorite by far is the jack the ripper video, i must've watched that video at least 20 times by now. no matter how many times i watch it, i'll always be entertained even though i know what happens. but i wouldnt be able to sit 5 minutes when watching someone else watch it.

[@Josh.C88]

Asmongold is a good react streamer. He does his own commentary usually knows he can play it by the original creator and generally gets that channel a good bit of viewers

[@omensoffate]

His commentary sucks. Lol

[@nitmanujer]

First?

[@Ms.Sparkles]

No

[@WatThaDeuce]

Maybe, but who cares?

[@NycroLP]

those are some amazin wojaks

[@mindpilotthepilot9140]

"now's the time to pause Baulder's gate and look over". Really Dev, you really made me do it.

[@laurendearnley9595]

Anytime I see Hasan leave the room with the camera running, I remember that time T. Pool and co had to evacuate the building and left the camera running, and the live watchers skyrocketed because everyone was waiting to see what had happened, maybe even hoping to see an explosion or a masked gunman burst in. It's like Hasan saw this event, didn't realize it was an anomaly driven by mystery and confusion, and made it part of his normal content.

[@Johngle]

My rule of thumb on fair use is to ask if there’s any point in going and consuming the original afterwards. If no, it probably wasn’t transformative enough, and it also kind of demonstrates why that’s a problem

[@Embarrassed4U]

The same thing happens with other artists. Blogs used to steal their photos, writing, etc and create collection blogs and got way more attention than the creators themselves.

[@user-sk6nm1wr2j]

Hasan wearing a 'Make the Rich Pay!' shirt. Takes pic, uploads. Gets back in his sports car and drives home to his multi-million dollar mansion.

[@honey3762]

Still remember that boxer that said he was going to kill Hassan during a winning speech