The Two Forms of Thread & Double Over-wraps: Custom Rod Building

[@make-n-mend-Anglesey]

Excellent detail and quality filming. Really glad I found this as I’m about to refurbish a rod I’ve owned since 1978.

[@reelbluecustomrods]

@@make-n-mend-Anglesey - thank you and I’m glad you found my channel. Thanks for watching and commenting as well.

[@javie5080]

Certainly the most informative and in depth video for beginners for guide wrapping. Actually explaining details like thread size is great because I hadn't been aware of the different sizes. Great Vid.

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Thank you very much Javie, I really appreciate your candid and positive feedback. Thank you for watching, and supporting my channel.

[@zuzanaberankova1283]

Rod/reel combo with fishing kit as an emergency setup kzbin.infoUgkxntWMOZsO1Zfv-pdn_XuffEtNkTYAYu4Z recommend but started to use this every day. The rod is thick and seems durable. I keep it neatly tucked into a regular backpack all the time with my fishing gear, and can grab it anytime, put it on my back and go anywhere. I just read in another review that the rod length below the reel is adjustable as well, so I will try that too for even more portability. Probably the best setup I've ever owned. I lost the cap for the eyelets, but no big deal since I still have the black cloth sheath that came for the pole and I use that. Very portable and high quality.

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Agreed and that is why I build custom rods. Thank you for watching.

[@1on1internetmarketing]

One of the best videos I've seen and I do marketing for a living. Great job, beautiful work and learned so much! Thank you!

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Thank you Frank. I really appreciate the feedback, and thanks again for watching and commenting.

[@sekaf4125]

Dude incredible camera work!!! So refreshing to see up close well light photography. Much appreciated

[@reelbluecustomrods]

You are very welcome and I am glad you enjoyed the video. Thank you for watching and commenting. 🙏

[@CottonPickers1]

Nice work. Im a first timer in fixing my rod. Good information, thank you.

[@reelbluecustomrods]

You are very welcome and thank you for watching and commenting. Thank you for your service as well.

[@jedicazador]

Great info! Subbed for the infantry blue and 3rd ID, I was 10th Mountain Division but respect for my blue cord brethren

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Thanks brother, you made me laugh 😂 😂😂. That being said, the 3rd ID was for a customer of mine, and I never had the privilege of serving in either 3rd ID or 10th Mountain. Spent most of my time in 2nd ID.

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Thanks for watching and commenting as well.

[@CarpfishingextremeUSA]

Great stuff man.. I will try it out on my carp rods

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Thank you and please let me know how it turns out. Thank you for watching and commenting.

[@FishingLouisiana2020]

I enjoyed the video, looking forward to the next one.

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Thank you for watching.

[@mastrsk8]

I’m glad I watched this. I originally thought that the underwrap would be the D size thread and the overwrap was A(or so). Musky rod coming up soon! Awesome job as usual John! Thank you for the video(s)

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Thank you and glad you were able to get something useful from the video. Send me a picture of the Musky rod once it is done if you like.

[@mastrsk8]

Thanks. I sure will!

[@alexstamateris5977]

Thanks! Great info for a newbie like myself.

[@reelbluecustomrods]

You are very welcome Alex, and thanks for watching. No pressure, but there was also a link to an ebook I have on the topics at the top of the video description. Here is the link if you are interested in looking at it. reelbluecustomrods.com/product/guide-wraps-ebook/

[@poepflater]

I'd glue one or two of those black metal paper clamps with the little chrome handles to the machine in the middle so you can quickly zap the thread into a locked position under tension to free up your hands

[@reelbluecustomrods]

I appreciate you the recommendation, and thank you for watching and commenting.

[@Andy-71]

Thanks for the tip on double guide wrapping and the cottons. Never thought about doing a double overwrap on the guides before. Just finishing off a build at the moment, rebuilt my ZZIPLEX beach caster. Removed the fixed reel seat and changed for a sliding reel seat so I can have the reel near the bottom of the butt section which makes it easier to pendulum cast. Took all the handles off and used an X-wrap style heat shrink instead. Added new ZZIPLEX decals and new guides, high gloss rod varnish. Did a blue under-wrap (A) with a white inlay (2 wraps) (A) with a black over-wrap (D). Will try a double over-wrap on my next build. Just waiting for the CRB drying tent to arrive from France to UK and bought a 100w enclosure heater 230v to pop inside the drying tent. I did look at the one on mudhole but the voltage is wrong for me and it gets quite chilly in my shed during winter even with the wall heater on so I bought this to go in the tent and much better quality than the CRB from mudhole. uk.rs-online.com/web/p/enclosure-heaters/4152969

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Wow, glad to hear you found the video useful, and it is great to hear about the build you are finishing up. Let me know how the double over wrap goes on your next build.

[@Zircon_215]

Can you set the thread tensioner so you don’t always have to release it by hand?

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Yes you can. I just like to have it a little tighter when I’m wrapping rods. Personal preference. Thank you for watching and commenting.

[@Zircon_215]

@@reelbluecustomrods Thanks for the quick reply. I just purchased the hand wrapper from MudHole but haven’t started anything yet. I have to repair my fly rod rod that I’ve had for years ( new grip … and two stripping guides) but I’ve also made a second order for a fly rod blank, snake eyes, threads, etc., etc … so I’ve been looking at a lot of videos. Just subscribed, by the way.

[@reelbluecustomrods]

@@Zircon_215 - well thank you for subscribing to my channel, and I’m excited for your first rod repair, and fly rod build. Let me know how they both turn out, and if you have any questions along the way.

[@FishingLouisiana2020]

Great video, keep up the good work.

[@reelbluecustomrods]

🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@johncruicky3051]

brilliant tutorial, would you appoxy twice on a double or would one coat be enough, tx john from scotland

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Thank you John, and I would ad as many coats as I thought are needed. Thank you for watching and commenting.

[@johncruicky3051]

@@reelbluecustomrods many thanks,

[@reelbluecustomrods]

@@johncruicky3051 - Welcome.

[@TaylorCervantez]

Do you apply any finish to the underwrap prior to guide installation or do under and over get finish at same time ?

[@reelbluecustomrods]

It depends Taylor. If I’m using regular nylon thread it happens at the same time. If I am using NCP thread then I will do a layer of finish over the under wrap. It also depends if it is a heavy or light rod build as well.

[@TaylorCervantez]

@@reelbluecustomrods I just took a class last weekend on rod building and built my first freshwater spinning rod. My goal is to build surf rods (spinning). So just trying to learn what would be best for my application

[@reelbluecustomrods]

@@TaylorCervantez - no worries, and glad I can be of help. Thank you for watching and commenting.

[@christophermckinney984]

Very informative video. If you don’t mind me asking (and forgive me if someone else has already asked, and you’ve already answered), but why a 3rd ID rod?? Rock of the Marne!!

[@reelbluecustomrods]

😂😂😂 No worries. It is because that is what my customer ordered. Thank you for watching and commenting Chris.

[@angelsandoval5671]

This is real interesting I would like to try to learn how to make fishing rods🤗🤗🤗

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Glad you enjoyed the video, and I hope you try to build one yourself as I think you will find it rewarding. Thank you for watching and commenting.

[@ronkaiser6414]

Awesome video. Extremely helpful

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Glad you liked it and thank you for watching.

[@jameslaken6354]

Hello mate. Great video, very helpful gonna have my first go at whipping roller eyes on and have one question, do you have to do an under wrap first on a roller eye 60-80 lb class rod. Cheers.

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Thanks for watching James, and I appreciate the support. To answer your question, yes, you should definitely do an under wrap for your roller guides.

[@jameslaken6354]

@@reelbluecustomrods sweet Thankyou mate.

[@reelbluecustomrods]

@@jameslaken6354 - very welcome.

[@jamesrospopo3137]

Do you recommend doing all the guides double wrapped or the first couple ? Or the larger guides, Excellent video, This will be for fresh water rods, normally 7 footers.

[@reelbluecustomrods]

I would only double over wrap heavier fresh and saltwater rods James. Thanks for watching.

[@DavidHorvath-nf3vf]

What size thread do you use for under wrap

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Size A and this ebook I wrote explains it all: reelbluecustomrods.com/product/guide-wraps-ebook/

[@AnchoredLeatherworks]

Great videos. When you do the underwrap for a double-foot guide, do you give it a real light coat of a thinned out thread finish before putting the guide on? Or are you putting the guide right on the underwrap thread?

[@reelbluecustomrods]

I put the guide on the under wrap and use thin finish to ensure it penetrates the threads.

[@AnchoredLeatherworks]

@@reelbluecustomrods Excellent. Thank you!

[@reelbluecustomrods]

@@AnchoredLeatherworks - very welcome.

[@matthamilton4677]

How come your un-spooling the thread on the tensioner as you wrap the guide? I thought they were designed to hold tension to get a solid uniform tension

[@reelbluecustomrods]

@@matthamilton4677 - great question Matt, but I do that sometimes when I have the tension set tighter than I usually keep it. Thank you for watching and commenting.

[@matthamilton4677]

Sweet, I'm just starting g to build my own, however we here are more salt fishing, do you also do salt rods, and what thread and grade would be best for salt water? Thanks for returning the answer on my question earlier, I'm surprised not that many do anymore. Atleast you explain in better than Mud Hole, no disrespect to them but they would double their productivity if stopped yapping and got on with it lol. Your videos are straight to the point and job done. Welldo e bro

[@reelbluecustomrods]

@@matthamilton4677 - thank you and yes I make salt water fishing rods as well. Fuji and ProWrap threads are great and if you are not sure which sizes to use, you should check out my ebook on guide wraps. reelbluecustomrods.com/product/guide-wraps-ebook/

[@myretiredhobbiesgainesvill8140]

I'm just getting started doing guide replacements. I have several rods needing a guide replaced so I have a bunch to work on and learn with. I bass fish so would there be any reason I would need to do double wraps? Also I will look in your videos to see if there's one talking more about thread sizes. Thanks for sharing and you've got a new subscriber here.

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Thank you for subscribing and for your questions. No, I would not double over wrap your bass guides. Only for heavier rods than that. Also, if you are interested, there is an ebook link at the top of the comments block for this video and I break down the thread size in it and have some guide wrap examples in it. The ebook is only $3.99. Here is the link as well if you are interested. No pressure, just thought I would let you know it was available. reelbluecustomrods.com/product/guide-wraps-ebook/ Thanks again for watching, and let me know how those guide wraps go for you.

[@the_pope_clan2408]

When double wrapping do you have to under wrap or just a preference?

[@reelbluecustomrods]

You should always lay an under wrap in your medium and heavier fresh and salt water rods.

[@sebbosaurus]

This would be a really silly question but I only thought of it since I have a roll of it laying around. Could silk be double over wrapped or even triple to use on a heavy duty build to achieve that tranparent look? Many thanks

[@reelbluecustomrods]

No question is a silly question, and NO, I would not do it. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@sebbosaurus]

@@reelbluecustomrods appreciate the reply, thank you so much!

[@reelbluecustomrods]

@@sebbosaurus - very welcome.

[@gtmvette]

Terrific video, thank you. I'm getting ready to redo a couple of old 6'6" rods (25+ years old) from the ground up. I want to match the eye wraps to some others I have. They have a dark blue metalic under wrap (much like what you show) with gold trim bands in the center and on either end. The eye is wrapped with black thread. Seems a simple enough wrap for a first timer. Based on your information and as this is a 40-50lb rod with medium-heavy guides, I'll be double wrapping the black. I do have a question though. I'm trying to pick out the correct metalic threads using pro-wrap. I did some stop frame analysis of your video and it looks like the 'D' size blue metalic has a SKU of RNM-D so I'm at the right color chart. The problem the color chart is terrible, I can't make out any metallics in it. Any chance you know the name of the color??

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Awesome and thank you for watching. Believe you might be looking at codes 9470 or 9460.

[@sebbosaurus]

On heavier saltwater rods would such a technique be necessary on the ferrules too? Or could I get away with a longer single layer wrap and two coats of finish? Could it be done without affecting the action of the rod too much ? Thank you

[@reelbluecustomrods]

It really depends on what you want to do, but I single wrap my ferrules.

[@sebbosaurus]

@@reelbluecustomrods I see, would thread size matter for the ferrule wraps or would that be entirely up to preference? Thanks again🙏

[@reelbluecustomrods]

@@sebbosaurus - up to you, and the rod your building. If I’m double over wrapping with D size thread it is most likely a one piece rod, but I would match the ferrule wrap if it’s a two piece rod - single wrap.

[@sebbosaurus]

@@reelbluecustomrods thank you so much for the insight, greatly appreciate it!

[@reelbluecustomrods]

@@sebbosaurus - no worries and glad to help. Happy Thanksgiving 🦃

[@FishingLouisiana2020]

Love the video, you packed a lot of info in it. I use the track for that hand wrapper. It makes it a lot easier to use in my opinion. What camera are you using? I am looking a new camera for my wrapping videos.

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Thank you very much. I use a Nikon D7100 for some shots, but I mostly use my phone.

[@sdcustomfishingrods]

If I choose to keep the true color of the thread should I add color preserver on my regular nylon thread vs using pre-treated thread. Also does one method cause more issues with bubbles in epoxy?

[@reelbluecustomrods]

All great questions and I am actually releasing a video next Monday on this topic. Please watch it and let me know what you think. That being said, yes, if you want to keep the original color of regular thread than you can use a color preserver, 3-4 coats. Once you put your finish on, be sure to use your torch to remove air bubbles. Hope this helps.

[@Hoainamfishing345]

Chỉ ncp đúng chất

[@reelbluecustomrods]

You only use NCP thread?

[@Hoainamfishing345]

Mình ở việt nam muốn mua chỉ này thì mua ở đâu you

[@reelbluecustomrods]

bạn muốn mua gì?

[@Hoainamfishing345]

@@reelbluecustomrods keo ab và chỉ .

[@reelbluecustomrods]

@@Hoainamfishing345 - Glue Paste?

[@Hoainamfishing345]

@@reelbluecustomrods ok .and NCP 150D

[@robertbaker9619]

Show us wrapping at the narrow end of the rod

[@reelbluecustomrods]

@@robertbaker9619 - Will do.

[@yannettemelendez2565]

Saludos te felicito campeón cual es el hilo correcto que debo usar cual es el grueso del hilo o que número

[@reelbluecustomrods]

gracias por preguntar y por ver mi video. El hilo de tamaño D es lo que me gusta usar.

[@iwantosavemoney]

Am green about rod building but would it not be easier to use a foot controller to wrap the rods? Am trying to find out what all I need and that treated line vs standard is gold great stuff.

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Yes, you could definitely do that if you want. You would just need to own a power wrapper. Glad you like the videos as well. Thank you for watching and commenting.

[@garyruebeling1972]

Why do you keep releasing the tension on the spool?

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Great question Gary. It just a habit I have. I usually do that when I have the tension to tight for my liking.

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Habit of mine when I have the tension to tight for my liking.

[@ianb4801]

Doesn't having to constantly release more thread from the spool drive you nuts? Surely it's possible to adjust the spool tension spring so that long, flexiible guide draws it off automatically.

[@reelbluecustomrods]

@@ianb4801 - great question Ian, and some times I just like to have the tension tighter when I am trying to control how tight the thread is wrapped. Thank you for watching and commenting.

[@pauleyedwin6056]

I’m new at this but I thought you would coat the under wrap before putting the overwrap on.

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Nope. I know some people do that, but I do not. I try to make sure I apply enough epoxy on my first application to ensure it seeps through all the threads. This is another reason why I don’t use color preserver as well.

[@carter7371]

Makes it too difficult to then secure the guide in place from my experience. Plus it is also unnecessary weight. On top of that it would cause uneven epoxy with it being thicker on the bottom

[@Noah18463]

why is double wrapping more "secure" for heavy duty rods?

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Because you are doubling the wraps - essentially making two over wraps. Thank you for watching and commenting.

[@gtmvette]

455 Cobalt??

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Yep, for the nylon thread it is cobalt 455.

[@charlie910]

Should double over wraps be used in situations when you will be casting baits/lures. Such as eight and bait for bull red drum and other heavy duty casting situations

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Thanks for reaching out Charles. I like to double over wrap all of my heavy and light tackle big fish rods. Thank you for watching, and please let me know if you have any more questions.

[@peterdavidchessell5952]

Crossed a thread at the foot there.

[@reelbluecustomrods]

I sure did Peter, and great catch. Glad I was using regular nylon thread. Thank you for watching and commenting.

[@บุญเลิศฟิสชิ่ง]

มาชมครับผม+1ครับ

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Not sure what you mean.

[@808livin.8]

Foots not grinded down enuff .the center stripe has a jump thread....

[@reelbluecustomrods]

Thank you for watching and commenting.

[@808livin.8]

@@reelbluecustomrods wasnt trying to hate on you i wrap for 11 years so you know.

[@daledow2278]

Basically.. you basically.. use the word basically... like 12 times in the first 30 seconds.. lol Sorry.. Im a dick

[@daledow2278]

Great info, by the way

[@reelbluecustomrods]

I basically did 😂😂😂. Thank you for watching though and I appreciate the feedback. Only trying to get better.

[@reelbluecustomrods]

@@daledow2278 - Thank you.