The U.S. as the “New Jerusalem?” Revelation’s Influence on Immigration

[@trentoliphant]

Growing up Mormon - the focus on the U.S. as the New Jerusalem was a central part of our identity. Specifically, Independence Missouri as the center point. Thank you for a fascinating discussion about how this idea has impacted immigration and American exceptionalism.

[@natenelson9102]

I was hoping Mormonism would be mentioned. Also good to note that according to Mormon theology, at least in the book of Mormon, nobody comes to America unless brought by God

[@debbieshrubb1222]

There's more than average theological nonsense in Mormonism

[@debbieshrubb1222]

​@@natenelson9102of course not.

[@Hallahanify]

Ok I know about independence being the garden of Eden, but isn't Utah supposed to be and called Zion? Where you of the brighamite sect? Or another?

[@PeteOtton]

Shouldn't it be somewhere in NY state? Or do they try to forget about the conman Smith.

[@SleepyPotterFan]

A podcast about Christian misinterpretation has come to be a rather salient need in our new Christian Nationalist dictatorship. Since Americans didn’t think it necessary to keep theocracy from controlling the government, it’s now vital that every citizen be aware of their misinterpretations that will now be used to oppress us.

[@geraldmeehan8942]

Exactly our only hope is that the infighting between theologians destroys the theocracy and that reason rises above superstition

[@shaduck06]

It's blatent violent bigotry. Nothing to do with Christianity- love your neighbor; be humble & follow Christ

[@TheTeanaciousLeaf]

I lived in California and live in the south east now. I don’t see or understand what people mean saying this. This country is way less “Christian” than it was 50 years ago. Can you give an example of the oppression that will be used? I’m not asking for a fight just don’t understand.

[@geraldmeehan8942]

@@TheTeanaciousLeaf Trying to force religion into secular places

[@SleepyPotterFan]

@@TheTeanaciousLeaf The argument against bodily autonomy for women is an evangelical one. The argument against LGBTQ + rights is an evangelical one. The argument against vaccines is an evangelical one. The argument for the Bible being placed in schools which are laws being passed RIGHT NOW, is an evangelical one. Not to mention that these exact same people are the voice of the economic conservatives. So, despite Jesus telling you, outright to help the poor and disenfranchised, these “christians” are inventing racist lies to justify vigilante violence against people of different skin colors while SCREECHING AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS that ANY aid to the poor or even fair wages is “cOmMuNiSm.” So, for some reason, I have a three time divorced, fornicating billionaire, holding the Bible upside down, convincing other Christians that Black people are eating pets and that a man wearing a dress is a threat to children, but daily mass shootings and ours rights being stripped isn’t. And then, all this happens and someone has the AUDACITY to pretend to innocently ask “what are Christians doing?”, so add to this nationalist theocracy this intentionally ignorant, ridiculous American evangelical martyr complex into it as well. I DO agree, that the lack of segregation and racial legal discrimination does, de facto, mean the country is less Protestant Christian than it was 50 years ago. And that’s objectively a good thing for anyone not a member of the KKK.

[@Chiefdixon]

The government was happy to see thousands of Chinese workers come in to work on the Transcontinental Railroad

[@OldMotherLogo]

And the Hoover Dam.

[@El-Buddah]

Most of the Chinese came because of the California gold rush. It was blacks in the convict leasing program via black codes that built the railroads.

[@JeffRebornNow]

Those evangelicals -- those, like Ralph Reed, the first executive director of the "Christian Coalition"-- that interject themselves into American politics, should be required to pay federal income tax. Also, if you're going to be a congressional lobbyist, you really should register with the State Department.

[@ericjanke2961]

Christopher Columbus was trying to find a quicker route to trade with China and India besides the Silk Road. Why Indians in the Americas are known as Indians. Columbus thought he was in India, he had no idea the Americas existed.

[@rogeriopenna9014]

Exactly. Because he thought the world was smaller while everybody else insisted on the correct size as calculated by Greeks in 350bc Columbus literally thought Japan was as far away as Florida, from Spain. That's why so many opposed financing the trip. Without knowledge of America, the New World, the calculated distance from Spain to Asia works be the combined Atlantic plus Pacific. Suicide at the time. It was Amerigo Vespucci who realized it was a new world, whole exploring the coasts of Brazil and Argentina. Which is why German cartographer Martin Waldseemuller named the new world after him: AMERICA. in the singular. Writing the name over Brazil

[@russellmiles2861]

And most folk in the USA have no idea why their country has an Italian name

[@rogeriopenna9014]

@@russellmiles2861 United - from Latin unus (one) States - from Latin status (condition) America - invented female name coming from Amerigo (or Americo, Portuguese spelling) ps: John Cabot was also Italian... Giovanni Caboto And Magellan was actually named Fernão de Magalhães.

[@russellmiles2861]

@rogeriopenna9014 Amerigo was Italian in service of Portugal. But he didn't name the place.

[@rogeriopenna9014]

@@russellmiles2861 I never said he NAMED the place. I said German Cartographer Martin Waldsemuller named the New World after Amerigo.

[@fattyfat-fat6639]

Ya know......what i really appreciate about Bart is the way he delivers his discussion. He makes one feel that he is actually speaking directly to you, and not merely downloading scholastic facts into a dictaphone for later transcription. Facts and data can be difficult enough to keep up with, let alone fully integrate into useable memory. Sure hope that he won't be absent for long.

[@SHIBBYiPANDA]

I have literally never heard anyone refer to the US as the New Jerusalem in my entire life and I was raised conservative Baptist and my family still is. I've also never heard Revelation used to demonize immigrants, ever.

[@SleepyPotterFan]

@@SHIBBYiPANDA I was raised Foursquare in New Mexico and the US being the New Jerusalem and key to Revelation was a big thing. This was especially true in the aftermath of September 11th. Just because your church didn’t utilize the rhetoric doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Revelation being highlighted specifically as a means of attacking immigration wasn’t a thing that I recall specifically, but that’s difficult to discern because Evangelicals ABSOLUTELY are the forefront of anti-immigration rhetoric involving demonizing them especially in the case of Islam. And Trump’s ban on Muslim specific countries is a hard, incontrovertible, recent proof of that. Islam and Muslims are absolutely assumed to be the enemies of Revelation by geopolitical realities of how and where Israel is and that plays into their perception of immigration and how it’s viewed. The eschatology obsessed evangelicals are also hearing the Christian nationalism movement that literally JUST took over our nation with one of the primary aims being forcibly relieving large groups of undesirables from the nation with prejudice and violence. So, unless this comment was a poor attempt at sarcasm, it’s a poor attempt at gaslighting.

[@Pattycake1974]

Me either.

[@Chiefdixon]

I understand what Dr Lin is saying about walls and such but with the current state of things in the world, doesn’t our country need to control our borders better to at least try and prevent those who want to come into the country for illegal and dangerous activities?

[@OldMotherLogo]

Most people do not come into the U.S. for illegal and dangerous activities. Undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a rate much lower than American citizens or legal immigrants and for good reason - they don’t want to draw attention to themselves. Most are doing jobs American citizens don’t want. An estimated 60% of agricultural workers are undocumented migrants. Others work in construction and hotel. Trump’s properties have employed literally hundreds of undocumented migrants. His personal maid at Bedminster who made his bed and laundered and ironed his clothes was a Guatemalan woman who was undocumented, his golf courses employ groundskeepers who are undocumented, his hotels employed construction workers who were undocumented. His wife worked here illegally.

[@TisDana]

The terrorists that flew the planes into NYC, Pennsylvania and the pentagon all came here on student visas and then disappeared off the radar until they executed their plan. Try not to buy into the propaganda you’re hearing. Many of the immigrants coming across the southern border are from countries we/the US destabilized.

[@Trunchisholm]

Crime is more prevalent among US nationals than immigrants living in the country. Demonizing immigrants and turning them into the culprit when it comes to crime and other social ailments is just good old right-wing populism and not useful if you want to address those issues.

[@LuvtheJEm]

If that were the real reason, sure. But it's not. No one is yelling about building a wall between our country and Canada, though that border is much bigger and has far fewer people guarding it. Any semi-intelligent bad person would rather come through the northern border, it's way easier. Instead, we're inundated with horror stories of migrant caravans approaching the southern border, stuffed with middle eastern terrorists and drug dealers, that somehow never actually materializes. Most of the drugs coming into america are brought in by americans going to mexico and bringing it back. Then again, maybe mexico would like a wall, too, that way we can't flood their country with our unregulated guns, anymore.

[@DummyAccount-f1q]

Maybe, but the higher priority should be to control our election process so that convicted felons and rapists with a long history of criminal activity should not become president. It’s not the slightest bit of an exaggeration to point out that as of November 5, 2024 the United States is a Fascist country, and I use the term “Fascist” literally, without hyperbole. The borders are the very, very least of our problems.

[@normanwolfe7639]

I always assumed Megan was in the UK. Learned something new

[@squeegeexpert]

She lives in Maryland with her OT Bible scholar husband Josh Bowen ..

[@michaeltelson9798]

@@squeegeexpertThey do travel back and forth for family events and vacations, but mostly here.

[@KimF6269]

Thank you Dr. Yii-Jan Lin for a wonderful, informative talk. When Dr. Ehrman wants to take a break again, please come back!!! Megan…please have her back!!!

[@rebeccazegstroo6786]

When was the Book of Revelations written in relation to suppression and destruction of the temple by Rome?

[@OldMotherLogo]

It is generally thought the Book of Revelation was written around 96 AD. The destruction of the temple occurred in 70 AD.

[@rebeccazegstroo6786]

Explaining John of Patmos' bitterness and god's-gonna-get-you rant. Scary to have policy decisions made on the basis of it.

[@VitriolicVermillion]

The title of this video was a *deeply* depressing idea.

[@tapuit1]

"Thou art that" by Joseph Campbell is a very good introduction of the myths used in the Bible and how they have been misinterpreted, but are still useful.

[@khaleelorwhatever]

I honestly thought I was doing something wrong when I searched for the book and it said the release date was today. Great timing. Can't wait to give it a read

[@cynthiao.543]

Nonsense. Pure nonsense. Sorry to see this episode in Dr. Ehrman’s domain.

[@Pattycake1974]

The interview is a sophisticated way to promote hate toward Christians by blaming them for immigrant issues and using sketchy scholarship to do it.

[@MichaelYoder-e8g]

Fascinating and enlightening conversation! Thanks, Yii-Jan and Megan.

[@DanielEarth1]

Mormons settled in San Francisco, more specifically Chinatown area in 1846 before Salt Lake City. Samuel Brannan was their leader who promoted the idea of transforming California as the Mormon’s new Jerusalem. Then Brigham Young established Salt Lake as the Mormon Zion.

[@louisewagenknecht6140]

Sam is a distant step-cousin of mine.

[@susanmcdonald9088]

Yeh, and Sept 11th, 1857, Mormons murdered in cold blood American citizens headed to California, kids & women hewn down, the richest wagon train to cross the American West, all stolen & their dead bodies left to rot, known as THE MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE! Domestic terrorists! Theocracies do not work historically, except to imprison people.

[@harrispinkham]

This was incredibly interesting! Thank you!

[@MH55YT]

Jii-Lin said the Puritans and other religious groups were some of the first to settle in America based on creating a New Jerusalem (paraphrasing). But I don't agree with that characterization. The Puritans, Separatists, Quakers, Lutherans, Presbyterians, and Anglicans were some of America's first settlers because King Henry VIII of England forced them to adopt his "Church of England's" religious practices. Each group interpreted the Bible differently and that's why these new denominations choose to come to America. Their first goal was "not" to create a New Jerusalem. Instead, these settlers were upset because the Church of England retained too many Catholic practices and they wanted to "purify" it further by removing elaborate rituals and focusing on a simpler form of worship. The King gave them that choice as he wanted to settle new colonies creating new markets for England's economy. Once here, it seems the many religious cults or denominations would like to start a new Jerusalem. But it wasn't the reason they came. It seems even more evident as NONE of our Christian religious groups come out and condemn Israel for their genocide of Palestinians. We are not upset with Israel killing 44,000 Palestinians over the last year, mostly women and children. I'd love to see Bart address Isreal's current evil.

[@MaroshBRuNo]

Yes thank you. I already left few comments here asking Bart for the same. Instead I've heard him say that he does not have position on this matter. During a geno*ide saying nothing is helping the geno*iders. Coward is a word that comes to mind. 😔

[@michaeldebellis4202]

Excellent point. It’s why one of the fundamental principles of the US was freedom of religion, because they all came here to escape persecution based on not following the official state religion. So the idea that we were founded as a “Christian nation” is ridiculous.

[@nathanvega4986]

She didn't say that, she said the symbolism was in their minds, and how could it not be? It's a new hope and an escape from what they would view as an evil oppressive world...hence the term 'a New World'. And one doesn't have to guess what they thought, we have thousands of diaries and journals from Columbus all the way through the Mormon migration to verify what they thought.

[@Trunchisholm]

@@MaroshBRuNo I understand your frustration, but I don't think it's as simple as that given that Israel has done a tremendous job spreading the ridiculous idea that supporting Palestinians and condemning the Israeli government equates to supporting Hamas and being antisemitic. I wouldn't necessarily label those unwilling to openly talk about this issue, especially those like Bart who travel to and work in Israel often, as cowards. There is a steep price to pay for those willing to talk against the genocide.

[@MH55YT]

@@Trunchisholm Your message is unclear. My primary point was, "Genocide is Evil. Israel commits genocide. Therefore, Israel is evil." Does that make me evil? Our tax dollars pay for 100% of the bombs that kill women and children in Gaza. Certainly, the US Congress is evil, and probably the taxpayers, too. Therefore, I (taxpayers) are evil.

[@Mr.Patrick_Hung]

The American bias against Chinese people in America has gotten serious.

[@MuhammadAliKhan-gi2rr]

Bart goated ehrman

[@jttj742]

Amazing guest!!! Would love for her to be back on for her other book and works.

[@kwamesmith3214]

New Sodom or New Babylon

[@MHDebidour]

indeed

[@stantorren4400]

As if God himself doesn’t mind migration. Look at the stories of the Israelites killing the native inhabitants of Canaan in the name of God

[@keksi6844]

Both.

[@insideoutstudiosonline]

Maybe I missed something, but you never mentioned the title?

[@pierrejean-jacques3522]

You right.😊

[@dianadeejarvis7074]

"Immigration and Apocalypse: How the Book of Revelation Shaped American Immigration" -- It was in the guest intro after the opening sequence.

[@justinjatherley]

Immigration and Apocalypse: How the Book of Revelation Shaped American Immigration - Yii-Jan Lin

[@TheTeanaciousLeaf]

I have never ever heard this concept living in the Bible Belt. This whole episode tanks. I hope the MJ podcast will stay away from stuff like this.

[@Pattycake1974]

Complete nonsense.

[@RonReederDigstheUniverse]

Awesome discussion.

[@happybeejv]

Also, joshua and judges is better at being a prophecy of manifest destiny Since the actual israelis neve conquered themselves, they just said they did and demanded you believe them because god said it,

[@yw8931]

Thanks for the insight

[@lisandro777]

🎉 Meriden Connecticut here🎉

[@mallem1755]

Megan ❤

[@edroberts5439]

so many under-educated people stretch religious text to fit their belief ,but it's not often that a scholar tries to fit an elephant into a leotard

[@islandofmisfityoutubers6734]

Interesting. Just bought the book! 😊

[@TheHonestPeanut]

Exodus 23:9. But then again they don't much like the old testament.

[@clevebaker8399]

Jerusalem is and will always be in Israel!!!

[@mounga100]

American is the new Jerusalem

[@swedichboy1000]

"A new Jerusalem built on coal and steel, so turns the wheel"

[@TheRealDyscyples]

not the first comment

[@otisbdriftwood6520]

Great interview and timely

[@thomasfarrow7053]

*Washington DC. is a city on seven hills: - Capitol Hill, Meridian Hill, Floral Hills, Forest Hills, Hillbrook, Hillcrest, and Knox Hill. It may be less a shining city and more a Babylon.*

[@thhseeking]

Firstly, Rome was built on seven hills, and secondly, what's with denigrating Babylon? That's just Deuteronomist propaganda because they lost against them.

[@Chiefdixon]

To add to my comment Russell M Nelson recently spoke that when Christ returns he will operate from old Jerusalem AND the new Jerusalem located in Missouri.

[@megumirogers8004]

*this is one of the best from MISQUOTING JESUS. ---it has been quite often repeating,too much chut style.ok,good, they are enjoying,but a bit far from my/some of our expectations. i mean too light quality from academic by academic.

[@tookie36]

Awesome job

[@robertcummins7739]

Give her as much torment and grief as the glory and luxury she gave herself. In her heart she boasts, ‘I sit enthroned as queen. I am not a widow; I will never mourn.

[@dustinpoissant]

Im 23 minutes in and i cant watch anymore. She says she is going to "give examples" and then just says some vague things. Does hse have any actual concrete examples or just vague conspiracy theories? I watch this channel for grounded scholoarly discussions. This just feels like i just turned into the left version of Alex Jones. Sad to see this channel turn into a conspiracy channel.

[@TisDana]

One episode shouldn’t make this a conspiracy channel. 🙄

[@grumpy9478]

read her book. & there are many other books on the American flavor of end times eschatology.

[@Chiefdixon]

I also growing up Mormon the Church has it seemed to me has taught they are the only ones who can find the lost tribes. And the New Jerusalem has to be built by them. Almost like the Mormons are the new chosen Jews.

[@majafleur9646]

As a former Jehovah's Witness, this rings true.

[@Trunchisholm]

What does?

[@Bjorn_Algiz]

Lovely ❤️ 🙏 hail!

[@FadersAnd]

Thank god we voted this DEI bs out of the culture

[@Trunchisholm]

You merely voted a government out. But pray tell, what is so wrong about diversity, equity and inclusion? Other than you using it as a dogwhistle, I mean.

[@briannielson1221]

​@@Trunchisholmhire the right people based on merit, accomplishment, skills and knowledge (MASK) not DIE. What's wrong with mask?

[@grumpy9478]

@@briannielson1221 those are not exclusive characteristics. in fact, together they are mutually-reinforcing into a more powerful & lasting whole.

[@Trunchisholm]

@@briannielson1221 Meritocracy is a neat idea, but it outright doesn't work when there's clear social inequality based on centuries of discrimination, class privilege, nepotism and cronyism. DEI policies are merely trying to mildly course correct for that. It seems to me that anti-DEI advocates merely want to maintain the status quo whereby discrimination against certain groups is the default. The whole meritocracy angle is just a red herring.

[@briannielson1221]

@Trunchisholm nope. MASK is what got us here. The meritless are not to take spots that should be given to those cultures and races that have created and discovered everything in the world. Lesser people should learn to deal with themselves and discover inventions instead of assuming they are to be given everything their selfish hearts desire.

[@rogeriopenna9014]

America was the entire New World, including in English language, until the end of the 19th century. Which is why often it's sad Columbus discovered America. By reaching Hispaniola island There are history books published in the US at the end of the 19th century that literally say stuff like "the united states' is the most advanced country in America"

[@M-rook]

What about KJV Isaiah 45:7? Stop blaming others. 😂

[@leebarry5686]

God’s land means that stolen from the original owners and with the aboriginal peoples slaughtered. How sick is the concept? How savage and hypocritical are the evildoers! How rebellious are the evildoers!

[@alexchavez4951]

Really?? Nah! Think about it, it fits well with Babylon in the apocalypse book. Cmon!😂 look at all the drugs, gun violence, homelessness, etc.

[@DrVictorVasconcelos]

That fits about 75% of the world 😂

[@DrVictorVasconcelos]

Also, just a reminder that we found evidence of marijuana in archeological excavations of israelite temples.

[@lauriehermundson5593]

When has human history been any different?

[@kwamesmith3214]

I once operated on myself to remove some tumors and ulcers...without drugs... So it does happen ​@@lauriehermundson5593

[@robertcummins7739]

Agreed rampant greed is destroying this nation. Craziness makes them think they are chosen. They will kill others saying it is in service of God? Because of their hatred their hearts will wax cold do they will believe the lie.

[@ferrantepallas]

My grandparents were immigrants -- legal immigrants. And I am all in favor of legal immigration. But NOT illegal immigration.

[@debbieshrubb1222]

The first immigrants weren't invited; arriving with disease and mayhem and murder

[@potiphajerenyenje6870]

You might be talking from a point of privilege and you might not see it. Different circumstances make people ‘illegal immigrants’. The situation is not as straightforward as you might imagine

[@AaronGardner98]

So would you like my friend, who is an illegal immigrant and also happens to be a pastor, to be deported, along with his family?

[@howardmestas7522]

Or you could be like all of Trump's wives and bang a billionaire and become a citizen that way.

[@ferrantepallas]

@@AaronGardner98 why did he arrive illegally? Why didn't he go through the legal channels?

[@WaldenPondering]

Mass immigration propaganda.

[@TheDanEdwards]

Are you bothered?

[@stantorren4400]

Exodus 23:9

[@gamerknown]

Must be the Jesuits, they want lots of Catholic Mexicans to get in and overturn Planned Parenthood vs. Casey in the Supreme Court

[@gamerknown]

Give Texas back to Mexico

[@Trunchisholm]

I have a major issue with people criticizing academia or labelling legitimate academic discussion as "propaganda". That's actually what fascist and authoritarian regimes do, try to delegitimize academia as having an agenda when every scholar has their own voice.

[@susanmcdonald9088]

Ooh, I didnt hit the "like" button because it's at "666," and I sure dont want to mess with that, call me superstitious! Always great learning going on here, thank you. But I wonder, without its myths & metaphors, no culture survives! See that primitive "dragon" behind Megan' s head? In all of Academia, in all the dissertations, no one seems to understand the origins of the "dragon" archetypes! Not one scholar, who understands it, but many, many cultures worldwide & historically, treasured its motif, WHY? Like the grand Egyptians who stylized a Thoth-figure, bird-headed creatures carved worldwide, WHY? And the supremely beautiful Chinese conceptions of dragon-serpents, nevermind Eve, lol. But honestly, I don't know any historical society that didn't fear "the other" at some point, after all, what's that Great Wall of China doing there but keeping others out, while actually walling-in its citizens. So I really don't understand the U.S. specialty in this, as you state it. Seems human nature just works that way, but democracy is our best outlet, to prevent such things. And America has benefitted, on the whole, from such compelling metaphors. History MUST never be excused, but corrected. Paranoia as exhibited particularly here, is expected! It's actually the compelling force behind the greatest humanity has to offer. But unfortunately, academia particularly theology & history, have the origins of so much, ALL WRONG! But out of the West, comes original creations, PLASMA SCIENCE, in lieu with PLASMA DISCHARGES witnessed in primordial skies! There's your dragons & serpents & trees of life & bird-headed Thoths (etched in stone) on every habitable continent on earth, WHY! DIFFUSION does not explain this phenomena! So archeologists, anthropologists, historians & theologians, have led us to this: we CAN'T explain prehistoric motivations & ambitions, utterly failing in interpreting the ancients, at all! But out of the U.S., a stunning discovery that will revolutionize scholarship, if we don't loose our heads first, lol. But its a realization needed, forget alien "biologics" & narratives so popular today, scary popular, because once again, we relegate ALL things unexplainable, as religions, or aliens, BOTH invisble, well, despite ufo sightings themselves, this is the grand master "other-worldy" responsible party, lol. The cosmic message is missing from ALL our "modern" understandings, and must move forward into academia as fast as societies can "cope"! It ain't aliens coming out of places like Los Alamos Laboratories, where one man was commissioned to study worldwide PETROGLYPHS carved on stone, including the native americans, the maya, peruvian, & aztez, and aboriginal australians, to china, to japan, to the cave paintings in france & spain, ALL drawing the same stuff, WHY? EDEN with its 4 rivers and ATLANTIS with its complex channels, were IN THE SKIES. And mythologized, but also remembered, recorded, and interpreted, because we still have those metaphors, right before us, in all the earliest religions & traditions... "SYMBOLS OF AN ALIEN SKY", documentary on YT by The Thunderbolts Project. Only a democracy, such as we sorta' have, allows for such creative, free thinking to be expressed! New ideas; new concepts & visions. But the paranoid fear is very real. Can't be removed, because it's written on our genes, how catastrophic the solar system once was, but remains in our unconscious, as if it was yesterday. Thanks again! But i sincerely hope you give that documentary a good hard viewing. It will make our entire historical understanding, obsolete.

[@Pattycake1974]

What a ridiculous interview.

[@fjibreel]

Thirdish

[@JosephHoggang-bk4bk]

According to Mormons, some parts of the bible were found in America😏😁🙈

[@keksi6844]

Jerusalem is named after Canaan god Shalim. How can God Holy city be named after demigod, such blunder in Bible.

[@Trunchisholm]

I fail to see how that does have anything to do with the Bible. People name cities, not books. And people are reluctant to change place names. Hence why the name stuck throughout the centuries.

[@pdyt2009]

And yet it's not. The ignorance is strong in this one. :-(

[@SangYoonLee-ht1wf]

I would spend my time helping the poor, improving my performance at work and being more productive, rather than watching these silly contents. Plausible narratives, yet it 's not conclusive. If one has rational and logical mind, they would be able to see through holes in these narratives.