The UFC May Be In Big Trouble

[@Dukeflyhawker]

10 years from now this case will be officially settled with that Tito vs Dana boxing match we were once promised

[@zerodarkthirty703]

Will we finally get GSP vs. Silva?

[@Dukeflyhawker]

@@zerodarkthirty703 yes, and Randy vs Fedor

[@mwaithephoto]

And I’ll be first in line.

[@cassiusdhami9215]

👍🏾​@@Dukeflyhawker👏🏾 😆😅😂🤣 🧠💯🎯 Nice‼️

[@Vintage_geek]

A man can dream...

[@alisteroidthecheatertestos964]

The UFC lost a ton of respect when they stripped sponsorships from fighters. Literally made 0 sense for the reebok deal (which was one of the worse deals in history).

[@jplouthelgm5156]

Also miss seeing Dynamic Fastener and DUDE WIPES everywhere

[@subzero07094]

@@jplouthelgm5156 How did you forget condom depot?

[@andu1854]

But Dana got paid a ton and don’t you know, and then he will pay a little out to the fighters who cause their opponent CTE in the form Of KO of the night (because brain damage is the mark of a true warrior

[@danared3213]

​@@subzero07094was literally about to comment this lol

[@lobo_solo214]

Yeah the reebok deal was atrocious. Almost as cheesy as the venum deal.

[@haldir3120]

It took 10 years to get to that point. Give it another 10 years

[@oliviaodessa]

why?? educate me pls

[@chicassoproductions8527]

​@@oliviaodessaDo research on the US court system for further understanding.

[@KolossusB]

Appeals extend the process. And there will be appeals. Which kick the can down the road for years and years depending how long it takes to resolve each appeal and how many they can get in.@@oliviaodessa

[@hammbone8184]

The UFC has enough money to drag this out for years

[@KB-yj5xp]

Nice to see the wheels of justice turning lol

[@DrBeauHightower]

It took 14 years from when Chester Wilk sued the American Medical Association to when he won the lawsuit 1976-1990.

[@SaltyPeanutz]

There's ton of examples of this.

[@drunkenboxing781]

Shut up Beau

[@havokthadon4173]

It's just how white systems are. They are there to suppress good things whilst approving unfair practices. The system of a dishonest and truly vile people. White privilege is the way of business but the world is definitely changing to break that standard.

[@LittleDickJohnson]

Even then. The UFC is in debt for over 5 billion. If they lose this lawsuit they can easily declare bankruptcy. Its fuxked

[@LittleDickJohnson]

​@@SaltyPeanutzwhat's worse is how easily they can hold that money up if they declare bankruptcy. Them being indebt for over 5 billion, they can easily hold that money up. When Dana bought WEC he took out a 50 million dollar loan. Then he took out an over 100 million dollar loan to buy pride. Then another 50 million to buy strikeforce. Over the years he has yet to pay off that first loan and he's only getting the company more indept. Thats how he was able to get the verdict a few years ago when our goverment said he didn't create a monopoly on the sport. Even tho he obviously did.

[@TommyToeHold]

If you still have questions about how these types of cases work and want to know why I came to the conclusions I did at the end I would highly recommend watching the deeper dive I did on this case last year titled "Francis Ngannou & The UFC Antitrust Lawsuit". Thanks for watching guys! Hope these explainer type videos help make these types of topics a bit more digestible.

[@DaileyShorts]

Appreciate you

[@justanumber5674]

Brilliant analysis Tommy. You're a Journalist among reporters..

[@gian323]

I read this comment in your voice lol

[@StrawWeaver]

Love the serious journalism you guys have been doing. Seriously On Point. Great to see the fighters gaining ground. We're all rooting for them 💯. Still, scary to think of what will become of the UFC we all know and love. I hope the MMA landscape improves from all this.

[@darragho6358]

No shout-out for John S Nash and the great work he's done one all this?

[@robertharrington703]

Feels weird to root *against* the UFC but this needs to happen to save the sport and it's fighters

[@noodle_tax]

it would benefit the fighters but not the sport. Come on

[@calmexit6483]

@@noodle_tax The fighters *are* the sport. Not the promotions. Things that are good for fighters and that allow them to improve their skill/quality of life will be a boon for the sport.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

​@@calmexit6483 Tell me how Tyson Fury ducking legitimate contenders and fighting a 0-0 fighter is good for the sport. It will be extemely good for Fury and Ngannou. It's terrible for the sport as a whole.

[@xavierb9061]

@@calmexit6483 the stars are the sport...they get paid....PAID

[@BristolMatt]

@@calmexit6483 Thats such a ignorant comment to make. The UFC and Dana White have made MMA hit heights never seen before or again. You sound like you have been brainwashed by Helwani. He wants the demise of the UFC and Dana White and has tried to turn the fans against them. The truth is, When we watch the UFC crumble, we will look around and understand that we should have been on the UFCs side. If you care about your entertainment, that's the way to go. If you care about single fights on terrible cards that no one will ever watch, then carry on, but you will regret it. Mark my words.

[@erikhalvorson4408]

As an attorney, genuinely great breakdown! Antitrust (and federal court litigation, in general) is complex, and this was broken down to bare bones well.

[@oliviaodessa]

in your opinion, who would win??? ufc or the fighters?

[@fightflow21]

@@oliviaodessathe fighters

[@babtunji]

​@@fightflow21didn't expect to see you here man wth 😂😂😂

[@Vintage_geek]

(Not an attorney, but working in a Law Firm for quite a while) i read the decision... things don't look good to UFC. Also, Dana's interviews and antics are not gonna play well in Court when brought as evidence of their coercive practices.

[@KCJ1999]

​@@oliviaodessain a case like this, the lawyers

[@DawryMike]

You reap what you sow. Paying fighters 12% of UFC revenue WITH EXCLUSIVITY CONTRACTS is completely abhorrent. He has basically been operating an MMA sports league without any of the mechanisms required to run one.

[@MMABeijing]

Not a league

[@DawryMike]

​@@MMABeijing Ostensibly, it is.

[@Saltcracker007]

@@raffpants618 did you just pull those numbers out of your ass?

[@Y3ntiLS0uP]

​@@raffpants618absolutely not. The entire roster should be reaping over 50% of the revenue. Minimum.

[@phalanx1790]

what is the profit margin for the UFC?@@Y3ntiLS0uP

[@performed_poorly]

I am 100% with the fighters on this issue. The UFC is as predatory as a payday loan business. I hope significant changes are forced upon them and I believe that is the best path to an improved sport.

[@GregHuffman1987]

they are the moral side to support, but i hope damage to the sport isn't done and it doesn't turn into the same problems that boxing has where the best rarely fight each other. lets hope it's indeed win/win

[@BananaWamma7]

@@GregHuffman1987I don’t see that happening really mostly because I see MMA fighters as bigger risk takers. The best still publicly call out the best here regularly. And look how they’re so willing to go out and do another sport and bet on themselves doing outside grappling matches, boxing matches against other trained boxers or even go to bareknuckle.

[@dickfitswell3437]

No it's not. They don't have to fight. They don't have to sign the contract. I'm with Dana.

[@TheDarrenO]

@@dickfitswell3437 Wow, so it's okay to oppress workers and if they don't like your particular brand of oppression then they can just 'not work'....

[@jackprecip5389]

@@TheDarrenO I don't know what part of your statement is funnier, that prize fighters are "workers", or that they're "oppressed"?

[@jackdaniels2905]

If Dana wants the UFC to be regarded in the same way NBA, NHL, NFL, MLB, then the UFC needs to pay it's fighter roster fairly. Those other big leagues share revenue basically 50/50 with it's players. The UFC shares about 15% with it's fighters. For the fighters, this is obviously unfair. Fighters make the UFC and give so much of themselves (and their future tbh), it's about time they were paid fairly. I didn't even mention no health plan.

[@bovinejoannie9429]

Those leagues are out of hand and are fking over the fans directly with their agendas and 300 mil guarantee contracts. 1diot

[@franco30528]

Don’t the players from those sport compete like 16 times a year while most fighters fight 2 times

[@joshciviletti3032]

@@franco30528that is not an excuse to not have revenue split fairly

[@jackdaniels2905]

@@franco30528 it's about % of revenue

[@kfitz2711]

And a typical NHL season is something like 80 games.

[@ronswanson1410]

I've been getting really tired of this whole "if you don't like how I pay fighters, start your own promotion" bullshit from Dana.

[@R-YR29]

Good. He's a terrible person & even worse at being face of the company

[@ohgeezrick2019]

He didn’t even start the promotion 😂 it was bankrolled by the Frittatas

[@ronswanson1410]

@@R-YR29He also doesn’t do himself any favors streaming himself playing blackjack at 10-20k a hand

[@drjuggernaut]

I say he's GREAT at being the face of the company. A bloated, grotesque, red-purply manatee face.@@R-YR29

[@midwestyle]

​@@ronswanson1410Dude literally went on to Pawn Stars and bought 100k worth of swords while some of his fighters are making 10 and 10 😂

[@Scheboygan8767]

I’m 21 in school and doordash to make money, hearing Pantoja say he was doing the same leading up to a ufc championship fight was crazy. I was watching videos of dana gambling hundreds of thousands of dollars and thinking how messed up it really is

[@devongiguere3721]

​@kychristell1779I'd probably turn into a fangirl lmfao

[@saesang352]

Imagine Dana laughing hysterically as he loses 250 grand at the table, then the number 4 guy in the world 30 grand for potentially getting brain damage

[@Synthwave89]

​@@saesang352there is something deeply wrong with this world. The age of sociopaths needs to end.

[@buddylee5712]

​@justinbarnett5137, what's even worse is that the fighters have to account for taxes, paying their trainers, and their living expenses until the next fight. So about half of that money they don't even touch

[@jakeharman1592]

Not defending any of this (I want the ufc to lose), but it doesn’t help that pantoja was fighting once a year in the least watched weight class. That situation was kind of on him.

[@Thebettermartyr]

Honestly I hope the fighters get the W. The UFC has consistently been screwing over their fighters and in doing so they have pushed out or scared off some high quality fighters. It just sucks that this is going to take a long period of time.

[@BristolMatt]

Then stop watching the UFC then. Fight fans are so stupid. You all listen to Helwani and the lefty activist commentators saying it's all about fighter pay and ignore that the sport we love will become a shell of its former self

[@vigorDante]

They should just be grateful that they are even getting paid in the first place to just hit someone. These fighters are so ungrateful and entitled

[@seidenstickerj]

@@vigorDante funny joke mate

[@vigorDante]

@@seidenstickerj just like the UFC fighters

[@seidenstickerj]

@@vigorDante are you really that horrid a guy or just a talented troll?

[@frankhuizar3369]

Truly hope the UFC will be held accountable for fair compensation. Also, Tommy Toe Hold makes the best videos on this channel.

[@dylusional419]

Can we all just agree Dana is a greedy Tyrant? Its been obvious for a long time. He literally gambles millions away while ranked fighters get like 15-30k a fight

[@Billybobble1]

My take from this is it's a sign of the world we live in; making things overly complex and time consuming, so that those already with money, can make more money, from those that make them money. Money wins.

[@whogotbarslikethese7563]

100%

[@Billybobble1]

@@noahgore2223 I'm from the UK, we get the impression you guys actually DO sue anyone for anything! What does not make sense is how it can take literally a decade or more, your term 'the price of the process' is on point. The 'law' should be fairly straight forward so as the majority can understand it, the 'legal system' dilutes that to a horrible murky mess. It's just my take, luckily we are free enough to have differing opinions on social media, so I guess there's that 🙂

[@titomala-madre]

There were two guys in Germany who wrote books about this in the XIXth century. But we can't cite those guys because their ideology killed 30 billion people in Venezuela. I read about it in The Gulash Atoll. (Cries in Jordan Peterson)

[@Lucky-sh1dm]

@@titomala-madreur defiantly like 5’6 or below Lmfao

[@titomala-madre]

@@Lucky-sh1dm Still a foot taller than Joe Rogan.

[@Moredread25]

I really do hope the fighters win. The UFC needs to be forced to give a bigger portion of their revenue to fighters; a union in an individual sport is just so impractical, a judge making them cut bigger checks is the most practical thing.

[@roythousand13]

The UFC isn't a public company like the NFL, NBA, or NHL! Those companies are public, and their revenues are public records. The UFC is NOT!

[@gypsylips1950]

how is that impractical? virtually all of the other major sports have exactly that

[@Oncopoda]

Why not both? You're not making any sense.

[@sanzmarc07]

​@@gypsylips1950theyre not individual sports

[@blessedboxer3449]

Fighters get paid to fight and the pussys bitching about pay don’t fight often enough to get a better contract

[@JohnnyGingy]

Honestly as I got older and when the sponsorship got stripped from the fighters and the fight kits became a thing it made me fall out of love with the UFC and really learning how the fighters are treated and act like you get paid more if you win….but only in an exciting fashion. You’ll fight for the championship….unless Dana likes someone else who’s flasher then they get to fight for the title. The rankings barely mean anything, just tired of all the Bullsh*t

[@xavierb9061]

Its not a sport its entertainment. Pay per view and fighters fight when they want. They have freedom

[@allistergraham6704]

The rankings are important but used loosely

[@INSOMNIAREX]

​@@allistergraham6704"should" be important, but they've been used, abused and become a joke for years now. One has such a better relationship with its fighters.

[@jasonbfhfj8132]

@@allistergraham6704they literally give title fights to dudes with 2 or 3 mma fights just because it would sell more PPV. You really think Mcgregor wouldn’t get a title fight after one win if he came back? The rankings are completely meaningless.

[@allistergraham6704]

@@jasonbfhfj8132 CoMpLeTeLy!!11! Maybe for the big names of the sport, but for the lesser known dudes it's usually spot on

[@INKovari]

I’ll be damned if fighters ever get 50% of revenue. They don’t deserve it. They aren’t even unionized! Nor should they be!!

[@Valchrist1313]

These guys literally fought to join the UFC and sign the contract, and there's a line of tens of thousands waiting behind them, now they want to pull up the ladder behind them and walk away with the whole organization.

[@Valchrist1313]

There's a lineup of guys waiting to join the organization who would do it for free. The fighters filing the suit are on their way out and want to pull up the ladder behind them, bankrupt the organization and walk away with all the money, leaving the fans and upcoming fighters in their dust.

[@xMontorix]

Finally!These guys are in video games national television and fight in front of sold-out arenas in still have to get a part time job. While Dana gambles over half-a-million dollars just out of a hobby.

[@Truhandle91]

Dana can do with his money what he wants .. he is also just an employee at this time .. he got paid massively with selling his shares .. and if he wants to gamble it away then it is what it is .. also wasnt he a well known player in the casino world ? winning often .. i have more of an issue when ''managers'' who take the occasional phone call and negotiate stupid 9 fight 50/50 contracts and demand 30% .. and if fighters are stupid enough to not understand the tax system .. a bunch of fighters are getting double taxed not knowing that they can get it all back .. a bunch of fighters get sucked dry by managers .. who demand pre tax money .. that the government will also look at as a taxable whole .. and 100k can quickly become 15k after all the mess .. even though it should be 50k at most .. also why the heck are fighters on shitty contracts inactive and complaining ? ... go the Kevin Holland route .. a bunch of fights as fast as possible and then negotiate a good contract .. get yourself someone who is known to get his fighters good deals inside the ufc and sponsoring like Ali Abdelaziz ..

[@pewdsthrowaway1303]

@@Truhandle91^ The least delusional Dana White glazer

[@Saltcracker007]

@@pewdsthrowaway1303 yeah, that was pretty disgusting. I felt sick just reading his comment.

[@philleotardo1500]

Ali Abdelaziz…

[@josephnissenson3252]

​@@Truhandle91we know this is your burner account Dana you can't fool us

[@ayubm1616]

Hope this lawsuit wins, begging Dana to be fair is never going to work. He will always prioritize his own pockets over fighter health. That’s why promoters need to be put in check or they become abusive.

[@beefybitcoin8085]

I hope they win better contracts but not 5 billion. That would bankrupt the ufc. The whole company was valued at 4 billion.

[@cultofpersonality123]

@@beefybitcoin8085 company is now worth around $12B recent valuation was done after the WWE purchase.

[@jakeharman1592]

@@beefybitcoin8085the company is valued at 12.5 billion per pbs. That’s literally not even a 50 percent revenue split. That would in no way bankrupt the ufc

[@botdfbvb]

​@@beefybitcoin8085Endeavor will be valued at over $20+ billion after the WWE deal closes in September, so that's still a very large chunk of change. I agree that $5 billion is too damn much. It needs to be around $1 billion for it to be fair, then an increase in fighter pay across the board. Like $250k per year on the low end starting out would be fair

[@offhandacoustic]

That whole company wouldn't be anything without the fighters they have so ruthlessly cheated out of billions of dollars. People like Dana use people and then get angry when you notice and call them out.@@beefybitcoin8085

[@leelucas8657]

Thanks for the update/explanation. Very useful. I hope there is a reasonable resolution to all this; probably UFC settling but agreeing to give better contracts to fighters in the future

[@vaultboy4710]

​@outlawpugilistUFC will crumble in less than a decade without Dana.

[@vaultboy4710]

@outlawpugilist There isn't another promoter that's brought there MMA organization even close to the UFC. One hasn't even turned a profit yet, they're several millions in the hole every year.

[@rwc0924]

Wow Tommy; another fantastic breakdown. You certainly come off as having some sort of legal background, you make it quite easy for all of us to understand what’s going on! Well done sir!

[@mikemcgonagle2096]

This is the content this channel does best. Great intro and overall video. These “story” type videos (similar to history of the lightweight division) are phenomenal

[@ShinyShinyIsAlwaysBeingSerious]

4:40 - The transition from Dana to Dr. Evil was unintentionally seamless.

[@pabloandrew38]

Dana always brags how UFC is one of the big 4 sports now but won't pay the majority of fighters like it's a big 4.

[@jonmacist]

If you look at any mayjor sport in the top 4 pays way more than the UFC look at Baseball a guy signs 6 year deal 100 million to hit a ball, and stand around another guy in the UFC risking serious injury and brain damage gets 200 , 000

[@zackhicks5320]

People tend to really forget how young of a sport MMA is compared to pretty much every other billion dollar sport. It took the NFL 48 years to fully unionize and recognize the NFLPA. The UFC just is hitting it’s 30th anniversary Edit: this isn’t an excuse, it’s an explanation of the truth. There’s a legal process and a process of growth. Stop showcasing how dense MMA fans are😂

[@EmzTheGoat]

Oh so let’s treat fighters like shit in a sport which is in the top 5 popularity until hopefully the people at the top stops being greedy

[@h870]

Yeah but MMA has had the time to observe how this goes in other big sports so it shouldn’t necessarily be taking as long to stop giving their athletes the shaft as heavily as some other places did in their earlier days

[@abelavich7914]

That’s what makes it even worse. The UFC has seen how successful sports leagues run once they become a billion dollar corporation and have decided to still put their fighters through the hoops those athletes of the past went through. They have the blue print that those leagues didn’t have and still decided “let’s make our athletes go through the same battles even though we’ve reached billion dollar status”. Like cmon there’s no way that the wnba a failing league pays its players an average of 100k per year and ufc fighters in average make $150k a year

[@stevonwhite8933]

A lot of the big sports, haven’t grown nearly AS fast, though.

[@LetMeTellUSomething...]

😊is that an excuse😅

[@mmamusic9634]

Oh my god. The writing, editing, research and presentation of this video are done nearly flawless. Great work everyone!!

[@rickyayy]

Hopefully UFC gets what they deserve

[@Scarhandz]

Shout out Tommy toe hold.

[@stephenharris9802]

I have never understood how the fighters can be paid 1099 or as independent contractors while at the same time have contracts which does not allow them to work as an independent contractor.

[@realsmt]

The former owners of the UFC sold, for a reason. This is it, they saw what was inevitable & did not want to be a part of the changes that will eventually have to occur. They wanted to run their business their way, this would flip that model upside down.

[@dano1307]

the 4.2 billion certainly helped them make that decision as well

[@SunBearDabs]

Fuck the gracies, they’re the reason

[@bofasofa9399]

You are using commas incorrectly.

[@ericwill2133]

Buy low, sell high.

[@DiabolicalHater]

​@@bofasofa9399still better than people who just don't use punctuation at all (the majority of the commenters on this channel)

[@nobodysfavourite6953]

I guess the Fritta brothers knew exactly when to bail out

[@TC29088]

Those mfs don’t care about martial arts there parents had money they bought the ufc to flip it not run it but it blew up dana ran a cardio boxing class lmao all this is public information they also have bosses Dana Answers to espn and Disney Lmao 😂 get these mfs gone so martial arts can thrive smh these dudes are just cornballs that got lucky to even be in the position martial arts was always going to get to this spot when guys got better … all they do is hold the sport back now there trying to be politics into the sport? Get them gone bruh we need real respected people running the sport not these clowns

[@gnarwhal7562]

The UFC had this coming for a long time. On top of having a complete monopoly on North American MMA broadcasting, the organization has also been extremely unfair pay-wise to its fighters. It says a lot when Francis Ngannou, one of the best in the sport, opts to switch to boxing instead of renewing his contract with Dana because the pay is significantly higher. Not to mention the way that fighters like Mighty Mouse were intentionally sidelined to make way for more "charismatic" competitors. The way UFC pays and promotes its fighters needs to change if it wants to attract interesting performance athletes in the future

[@arnabiarnab3037]

The fact that these fighters have zero medical insurance while fighting and after fighting is outrageous……I truly hope the big stars collaborate and force the UFC to share revenue with the fighters $50K for a fight is dumb

[@fausch]

UFC did this to themselves, they haven't raised base payrates and bonuses since they began and there's been A LOT of inflation since the UFC started out.

[@conordyer2307]

Go look at fighter payouts from the recent cards and you will see you are wrong.

[@fausch]

@@conordyer2307 talking about base and bonuses. Base is still like 12k and fight bonuses have been 50k since forever

[@rancewhite9312]

Awe man, now Dana might not be able to bet $800,000 a hand on poker anymore. Sad day. 😅😂

[@hoondaily270]

Why Dana doesn’t own the company he literally wouldn’t lose a dollar if they won 5b dollars

[@harsh111yt]

They need to better call saul

[@thejubileesproject9101]

Thanks for filling us in on this. God knows no one else was gonna! I always figured that not doing right by the fighters would come back to bite Dana in the ass!

[@matthewpople9639]

John Grisham needs to write a book about this

[@abelavich7914]

I find it shocking the ufc is worth billions and their average fighter Sakarya is $150k a year. The wnba is a failing league and their athletes make an average of 100k per year. I know the ufc has more athletes on the roster but they are so much more successful seems like that average should be a bit higher.

[@tokesalotta1521]

Some lobby or law firm must want money. Look how the NFL, NBA, etc are able to legally run monopolies. Pay to play.

[@PlayFloyd_IN]

Thanks for covering this. Keep it up! ♥️

[@maximusdraxkratos6315]

Dana white will stop using the money meant to pay this fighters to gamble, he under pays his fighters but will squander millions playing black jack. He will need ever cents after they are forced to pay millions of dollars in compensation.

[@chaboi7]

Dana has screwed over ao many fighters that i fail to see how anybody gives dana credit for anyrhung other then having a couple of friends to make hin filthy rich and then not walling off into the sunset because his entire identity revolves around how much power he has over the fighters....it isnt that dana cant quit or that he loves rhis so much, its the fact that without the ufc he wont be able to control ppl with power and money.....

[@itsreallyreal5848]

Rais your hand if you think this just further proves that MMAOP can take on the really big topics of MMA and make them truly consumable & should keep doing it with confidence.

[@darragho6358]

Sorry but this needs to be handled by dudes like John S. Nash who's followed this case in and out for a decade and is in constant communication with fighters and is even sent copies of contracts by fights. His whole podcast on bloody elbow basically just covers all this stuff. So it's fine for dudes like this to disseminate this stuff to the masses somewhat but if you really want to know what's going on go to the source

[@itsreallyreal5848]

@darragho6358 yea... and they shouldn't try and help their consumers understand the rules of MMA because only Big John is qualified too right? Get a grip friend. There is 0 misleading info and constant references to all sources, so... This is a waste of a response honestly. Don't talk about MMA anymore OK? Only Dana White is qualified to speak about them... .. .🙄

[@LittleDickJohnson]

​@@itsreallyreal5848what needs to be looked at his how far indebt the UFC actually is. Their loan is over 5 billion and they only have until 2026 to pay off 5 billion. So just wait because if they lose this lawsuit. I'm calling it now. They'll declare bankruptcy and ask for a bailout. Which our goverment makes hundreds of millions off of Dana. So watch closely.

[@Infritblade123]

The end result will be half the UFC roster being cut, particularly the nobodies that fight on the early prelims and fight night prelims. Those fighters will then be forced to resign from the sport, or accept lesser pay from one of the competing promotions. The only reason veteran UFC fighters make more money when they leave the UFC for a different promotion, is because they already have an established name thanks to their time in the UFC.

[@smokestrong1000]

I hope Dana has to give up all his money to the fighters. Before Nate fought Conor he was getting only 20k show money..and he won the ultimate fighter and fought for a damn title. Absolutely ridiculous

[@jordanterry6248]

Hope they can win. I’m sure they won’t get all they’re after but if it forces the UFC and Dana to be less of a bully to fighters and provide better pay then it’ll encourage more athletes to enter the sport, which may hurt the UFC’s bottom line but can only help the competition in the sport.

[@sawymath]

I wonder if this lawsuit made the Fertta's sell the UFC.

[@ReyShady05]

Top 10 fighters whose face has changed since their debut.

[@ReyShady05]

I have commented this on a bunch of videos! Need more likes! ❤

[@evanse213]

Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for the research you conducted. You simplified a very complex topic and made it easier to follow/understand.

[@Ndw1995]

I would love to see UFC go under. It has become a circus

[@nicolasstarheart2903]

Interesting thing to note: After this antitrust ruling went into effect, it was rumored this week that WWE employees might start seeing pay raises as a way for WWE (which is the UFC's soon to be new corporate sibling) to avoid getting lumped into the same legal woes the UFC is now dealing with. So Endeavor is currently trying to save their asses on whatever fronts they can.

[@k45207]

Finally! These guys were fighting tooth and nail. Most people would do just settled . I’m just glad this is finally going somewhere .

[@iixxion]

Even if the class is granted, they still have to win the lawsuit. All this ruling does is allow the lawsuit to move forward. They can say "billions of dollars" all they want; no judge has awarded any money to anybody. They still have to have a trial and prove that the UFC has done anything wrong. In the meantime, these types of lawsuits are typically settled out of court, for an undisclosed sum, and everybody signs a non-disclosure agreement. This is 99% certain how it's going to go, based on every other class action lawsuit ever.

[@TheSaltySeaman]

I'll tell you how you did. You keep surprising everyone who knows you as a funny cartoon guy with actual great journalism skills (I'm one myself) and reminds me why your commentary is so well pointed. You know your stuff. And yeah, the UFC contracts are completely predatory. Also you left out the WWE sale, and they have similar fucked up clauses, most famously their very long no competes and especially their "independant contractor" status. I wonder if after the sale is finalized their might be a merger of lawsuits of sorts? I dunno enough law stuff tho.

[@MelanatedRepublican]

You call yourself a journalist.....wash the seamen of your brain lil fella

[@charlesbrown9856]

The UFC operates in a totally predatory way, and it's unfortunate because they're far and away the most desired and reputable brand to be affiliated with. Dana reliably acts like a child whenever major issues are brought to him. I hope they get rocked by this and redirect.

[@catlover7466]

UFC wouldn’t have this problem if Daner had made a few co promotion events here and there he is being greedy and it caught up to him, this is why the difference in pay in boxing and mma is so great because most boxing events are two promotions putting their money in the pot. In UFC you sign your contract and you work for one company in boxing fighters can go to other promotions and take their belts

[@roythousand13]

The UFC would not be the organization that it is, if it followed your nonsensical advice!

[@catlover7466]

@@roythousand13 the UFC is fedex but treats employees like mcdonalds employees they are fucked up if the UFC did what i said no fighter would be quitting and no one would be suing them. They are keeping all the money to themselves and the problem is that they can do that because fighters sign their life away, in boxing you can actually say no thank you im not fighting that weight bully pereira boxers have a voice why do you think wonderboy pulled out of his last fight? They were making him fight a bloke that didn’t even make weight and he said is not even the first time the UFC is a joke of a promotion good tv entertainment though

[@roythousand13]

@catlover7466 ,fighters are NOT employees of the UFC. They are independent contractors who were given the opportunity to fight for the UFC.

[@stevonwhite8933]

@@roythousand13 Speaking just like Dana speaks. Is he paying you?

[@catlover7466]

@@roythousand13 nah that was six years ago maybe they are all under contract now

[@ComboMuster]

TBH this is a good thing: it will limit dinosaurs like Nate Diaz stumbling around high as a kite claiming to be the GOAT while getting beat up by a youtuber. UFC needs reshuffling that's for sure.

[@jeff0247598]

Dana's head turns into a tomato, has a couple margaritas while losing at blackjack in Vegas and gives his wife an elbow smash in the mouth.

[@jawill24]

This is all true they pay their fighters like shit but they don’t want to pay them more money and with the merger with wwe the gap between talent and the company will grow even more the fighters will eventually win imo but this will take a long time I would say with all the appeals we talking 5 to 10 more years

[@klausschwab9905]

Even if the UFC is correct on the law, I would be shocked if the UFC got a favorable ruling out of the "nutty 9th" considering Dana's political affiliation.

[@leebinpoggersmomento6101]

Guys the UFC is dying guys its real this time guys you gotta believe me this time guys guys

[@showsister69]

We can only hope

[@randallhawkins69]

@@showsister69hope? Why?

[@wood3309]

Guys

[@Greendeath312]

@@showsister69you’re pathetic

[@zachary6848]

A class action lawsuit is nothing trivial. The UFC has been fighting this tooth and nail for a reason, and they’re losing. This is good.

[@goodyeoman4534]

Dana White's megalomania may be part of the reason why the UFC survived the early days and went on to become the behemoth it is. But his control-freak nature is now surplus to requirements, and he'll eventually be forced out and the UFC will go the way of boxing, as in corporate, over-regulated and splintering into various governing bodies.

[@paulhilton6426]

Absolutely. He was needed initially to get it going, but he has become a detriment at this point due to his inability to grow with the sport. The writing was on the wall with Feydor, and that a while ago now. He needs to go.

[@LeoneWorlds]

When that happens, it’s all over.

[@paulhilton6426]

@@LeoneWorlds Didn't kill boxing. It'll just be different.

[@devonegbo8810]

Nothing against the others on the channel but please let Tommy Toe Hold stay on these types of videos

[@nickgrant2625]

And when they win and the UFC becomes 2 guys getting 15 million each at the top of the card and a stack of nothing else below while top guys fight once every 2 years everyone will remember how great it used to be

[@friendoflenin]

Solidarity with the fighters.

[@zachlovescats95]

Most of these fighters have far-right views, I wonder if they'll ever see their hypocrisy.

[@IUSTITA]

ONE treats its fighters with respect. That's why I prefer ONE.

[@jakehopgood7446]

I'd wager that the UFC going public was to offset legal payouts onto the shareholders.

[@Deeplycloseted435]

Wait until these judges hear about PI. Its a world class facility that fighters can use for free. That’s why they can’t pay them more….its for the fighter’s benefit and health.

[@DonDeDon445]

The comment section is proof that these dudes love billionaires. They unequivocally support folks who want them working deadend jobs so they get richer and you live a miserable life. Every single sport has a union and I haven’t seen ANY of them collapse. This is a extreme overreaction that the UFC is dying cause fighters are finally getting paid their worth 🤨

[@alisteroidthecheatertestos964]

Tons of corporate dudes in the comment section giving major small dick energy. These fighters make more money for the company then what the company actually pays them.

[@edmonddantes563]

But the alternative is how boxing is run, which is a complete shit show

[@knockdoubt]

Never forget unions help the workers, HR helps the company

[@plastique45]

The UFC contracts would be illegal anywhere in the western world outside of the U.S. where there are no modern labor laws to protect their citizens against corporate greed and exploitation.

[@franco30528]

It’s more worse outside the us

[@painandpyro]

Appreciate you guys continuing to cover this, felt like a big win this past week

[@camberwellcarrot420]

When your product is the talent, and you have essentially a monopoly which makes you the only employer in town, it's not difficult to see that it's not two equals negotiating. The antitrust which allows this to happen goes deep. It also involves the venues, and monopolies like Ticketmaster, broadcasters, etc. UFC has a lot of peripheral industries allowing them to monopolise the market.

[@caddylover10]

A couple things people do not take into account...fighter pay is just one part of the the overall compensation. Two of the biggest things that do not get enough attention are promotion/marketing and insurance or covering the cost of injuries. No way fighters could even come close to the UFC in terms of reach, exposures, ticket sale or ppv buys. Even thought there is not Insure pe say, the UFC has a brand new state of the art Facility that fighters are welcome to come and use during any rehab or recovery time. fully stocked cafeteria, all the steam, hot and cold sauana, pools, weights all it is free to them..

[@OMGpandemic]

LET'S GO! FIGHTER'S RIGHTS!

[@marksutherlandjr.2121]

Before UFC combat sport fans had boxing. That's been historically corrupt. The boxxing commissions and organizers cant two top guys together, in their prime to fight but once every 5-10 years. UFC does this 10-13 times a year.. During Covid UFC kept EVERY person, the staffers, athlete's, flight personal, doctors, food vendors, from the dudes cleaning gear to the pros wearing it working. And brought us all the entertainment we desired.

[@Lockdown335]

Good for them lol there is clearly alot of cash to do that when you underpay the people putting their health on the line for years while making billions.

[@rockyrivera6397]

Your spouting views from 15 years ago. Boxing has had boxers in there prime fight each other multiple times the last few years especially this year.

[@LeoneWorlds]

you’re a corporate shill.

[@sdazzle2460]

This is amazing for fighters. But if they win this will turn MMA into boxing and we will rarely get the best fighting the best in the future.

[@carphucker2973]

We don’t get that anyway as it is

[@mas72450]

Fighters get half the revenue. Or half the profits go to the fighters as a bonus. I'm just training BJJ and the type of commitment it takes to just not get shit on in local tournaments is insane. I can't wrap my head around how one trains to be an MMA fighter and pay their training expenses and not be homeless on these 12/12 contracts. If they did that and spoke with their actions about how they take care of their fighters, the fans and the fighters both would be singing the praises of Dana White as the sport's savior. I want the UFC to stay as the unquestioned elite promotion for the sport's sake, but the fighters being taken care is how they stay on top and keep attracting the top talent

[@LegBreakMMA]

One thing I learned about the UFC , whenever something bad is about to happen, Dana and the team stay strong and come back 10X better.

[@W3STSID303]

Step one for destroying MMA ✅️

[@gamebred6995]

Cage fighting isn't important

[@W3STSID303]

@@gamebred6995 It's guna turn into boxing

[@Stax2High]

GREAT! AMAZING NEWS FOR FIGHTERS EVERYWHERE!

[@SportsBettingDude]

Funny how people change when enough money is evolved? Boxing fighters are rich. MMA not so much…..

[@Smoked_Calamari]

I can already tell what Dana's reply is going to be when asked about this. "I don't have a clue".

[@julianbarajas684]

This is exciting. I've always felt guilty as a fan knowing how unfairly fighters have been compensated. Compared to any other popular professional sport the athletes make a tiny percentage of the profits generated by the company. If the NBA, NFL, FIFA, etc. can all give a much higher split to the athletes and still make obnoxious amounts of money than why can't the ufc.

[@yaakw]

Julianbarajas 👍🏾👌🏾 Me too. Well said.

[@blanketyblank9827]

Because they're not comparable. UFC is a only a few billion dollar company, a single NFL team can be worth that much.

[@kingsalman8907]

​@@blanketyblank9827 it's also one of the biggest growing sports in the world. This problem ain't gonna last for long.

[@josephmatthews7698]

This feels so good. I remember when I started MMA. When Tito and Dana went at it everyone was clowning on Tito because his wife worked in adult entertainment but I was like, 'nah man hes got some really good points.' I remember super early on even fighting amateur bouts where I had to cover most of my medical bills. When I came out fully on Tito's side I lost a lot of friends in MMA. Legit yelling matches because they thought my mindset was a cancer that would keep us and anyone I was associated with out of the UFC and big promotions forever. Seeing the huge wave of support for fighters really makes my heart proud and gives me a small sense of vindication. I wonder if my old friends and partners views have evolved at all since the early 2000's.

[@jakehopgood7446]

99% of those females and males clowning Tito would also want to lay Jenna.

[@parisLuvsdolls]

So happy this is happening! Fighters need to be respected & protected.

[@MrEcuadorian]

Very comprehensive, love the work and research you put into you videos Tommy, keep them coming

[@Davinhomx]

It's about time tbh. Fighters get ripped the f off in the UFC. It's like the dark middleages

[@marcussmith6507]

So Francis was right huh

[@raidenblizzygaming9702]

Right about what ?

[@socratese5]

I think fighter rights and compensation definitely need to be addressed. But how does one determine what is “fair” ? The fighters will always want to make more and the UFC will always want to make more. 🤷‍♂️

[@thebluetiger26]

The reebok deal was the nail in the ufc coffin in this case. Leading to the inflated roster, and watered down quality.

[@J0HNJ0RDAN]

They're gonna turn it into boxing. More litigation, more money, less fights.

[@rubenalvarez6830]

Very good breakdown of the case, it was very comprehensive for people that are not aware of how things work in real life!!

[@frankperrella1202]

UFC might Fold, Boxing is on the Comeback. Nothing is to Big to Fail!!!

[@XEra404]

I'm not seeing a link for the old video. I watched it then, but...

[@jaredbellow]

Jon Fitch do be good at winning decisions.

[@georgeaghimien3234]

Ngannou was right for leaving. Maybe one day they'll make a documentary about this topic

[@Bipolar.Baddie]

Dana isn't going within a lightyear of the pearly gates. His own mother choses not to speak to him