The Ultimate TF2x10 Spy Tier List

TF2x10 is a mode where every weapon's stats are multiplied by 10, give or take. However, despite the crazy reputation that this mode has, it actually has a delicately balanced system of checks and balances that make the mode surprisingly playable. This video takes a look at Spy's weapons, discusses their potential uses, and ranks them according to how powerful they are within TF2x10. Let me know if you want to see a tier list for the rest of the classes!
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0:00 - Intro
1:12 - Tier explanation
3:28 - Spy's role in x10
4:52 - Tier list
36:54 - When to use weapons
46:05 - Outro

[@Great_Blue]

For some reason my editing software didn't render the Diamondback stats. Here they are: +30% sentry damage resistance on wearer Gain 10 critical hits for every backstab or building sap -30% damage penalty No random critical hits

[@chillcatking9866]

Same with the wanga prick

[@circumventboredom9463]

I spent an hour or so using A.I dungeon to generate 20 weapons. I copied and organized the "interesting" results to a word doc, and even created loosely balanced variants of a select few just for fun. I would love to share it with you so you can review them!

[@PajamaPantsStudios]

It’s something a lotta people don’t realize, but stored crits cap at about 35 (from my experience)

[@captaingoomba6907]

@@PajamaPantsStudios Oh, huh. I'd assume that maybe the crit code was copy-pasted directly off the Frontier Justice, since that has 35 bullets total and a so that cap of 35 crits makes sense, instead of the 30 bullets that the Diamondback has

[@saffroncoasts6950]

You should try x-1 teir list

[@Rosewell8]

I think the worst part about this is how I didn't even question that the top tier was called "The Meat"

[@3verlong]

me neither

[@absollnk]

It just worked

[@pokeinator7834]

Me too lol

[@Snowissnowier]

The best part*

[@ChrisNinjaEagle]

Me too :(

[@fortnitesexman]

Should've kept S tier "The Meat"

[@Iron_Soil]

Spy dont use meat You dumb dumb

[@DEBRAH408]

@@Iron_Soil its a joke You dumb dumb

[@karpai5427]

@@DEBRAH408 I know😁

[@gabrielc7861]

@@karpai5427 sus

[@elgranpelotudo8067]

@@Iron_Soil THE MEAT

[@LiIGremlin]

the *m e a t*

[@spewks8569]

Shank

[@riccardocicoria1631]

Vinesauce

[@user-cd6xs2tv6w]

THE MEAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Mikeeeeeeeeeeeeeee3]

Spy trickstabs his meat

[@markcrawford5810]

Arby's, we have the meta.

[@Sutoratego]

I want the heavy tierlist to have a: “The Meat” tier with the Buffalo Steak Sandvich.

[@lol_johny_lol8381]

no ham should have its own tier list

[@JM99-Official]

scouts chicken

[@goodoldarch1358]

Scout’s has “the “milk””

[@dicemahone]

and *H A M*

[@maxwellmegagamer8535]

and the meat will be f instead of s

[@radekmilewicz6192]

"The Meat" was a much better description.

[@lol_johny_lol8381]

ye s

[@PROPLAYEN]

y es

[@DEBRAH408]

ye s

[@radekmilewicz6192]

y e s

[@rsoexists]

@@Soapromancer no

[@I0NE007]

Allegedly "Meta" is a backronym for "Most Effective Tactic Available," which equates to "of all available tactics, this is the best one." By that notion, the "Meat" Would be "The Most Effective Available Tactic," which is more accurate, since weapons are not always unlocked for players meaning it could be possible to not have the "single best option" and must resort to other options (i.e. someone just started to play medic after several hours of learning basic offense classes. So they might not have the ubersaw, but they could have an amputator for group heals).

[@orangechicken2262]

Gamer brain ascend

[@bananacheese6864]

@@orangechicken2262 my gamer brain is so huge rn

[@simonsoupshark8009]

GUYS ITS THE MEAT NOW im littarly only going to call it meat unless its a stock weapon

[@auctumnus]

it's not a backronym, it's from metagaming - gaming the game, or exploiting the rules of the game to get the best result

[@I0NE007]

@@auctumnus It's still classifies as a Backronym: "Meta" was an existing term, and then was given an acronym after the fact. I will concede, yes, the term Meta is from a different original source than from what I originally stated.

[@icetide9411]

Because of source's fall damage, the kunai also makes you immune to fall damage which is also nice.

[@frank9966]

Not if you want to trigger the speed boost form deadringer

[@icetide9411]

@@frank9966 I mean that is a fair point but I like to go *yeet* from high places

[@churrogang4778]

@@frank9966 don't you still take damage it's just less than 50% so it gets rounded

[@sewdyer98747]

well you do take fall damage but you have to be really high

[@argonhammer9352]

@@frank9966 dead ringer still works

[@GINeric_]

Petition for *The Meat* to be a real tier

[@DodgeThatAttack]

Here i am, a tf2 noob thinking "the meat" was a saying for "the best"

[@meeperdudeify]

It oughta be

[@JESUSWASAJUGGALO]

@@meeperdudeify it oughta be and by god i will dedicate the rest of my life to making sure it becomes one

[@MrSaturn012]

I didn't even question it being called "The Meat"

[@LegethDrn]

Oh yea the Kunai is 100% “T H E M E A T”

[@Mima_the_vengeful_spirit]

little pointy thingie in the back and boom...you are god

[@Kohchu]

@@Mima_the_vengeful_spirit The Stock Knife, and Stock Invisiwatch basically hard counters the Kunai if the player doesn't play smart. It's easy to just wait in a high traffic area; for the Kunai Spy to run past, decloak instantly (the x10 Invisiwatch's benefit), and kill him before he even knows you were there.

[@ricedanan]

x10 Kunai Spy is basically just playing Vs. Saxton Hale

[@FatheredPuma81]

Except a Spy can't 1 shot Saxton Hale and Saxton Hale can't heal... well normal Saxton Hale can't god knows what they have now.

[@glacierwolf2155]

@@FatheredPuma81 The Vagineer.

[@jeremyhillaryboob4248]

When I first read “the meat” I thought that it was intentional

[@Tibor0803]

0:00 Great Blue: TF2x10 is not a terribly unbalanced mode like so many people think it is. 46:02 Also Great Blue: *Having 33 killstreak because of Kunai by the end of the video.*

[@yt-ru7dv]

The downsides are x 10 to and also he said not horribly unbalanced and also every game has one unbalanced thing and in it and modes of game

[@samlevy9897]

As someone who usually plays on higher multipliers, the fire rate on the Enforcer tends to turn it into a handheld Death Star: sure you can one-shot God as long as you’re wearing a mask, but have fun waiting so long to fire it again that the match will probably end first.

[@Jacob-yg7lz]

"TF2 x10 isn't an unbalanced game mode!" "So yeah after one stab you basically can only be killed by either the entire enemy team, or the most skilled players with the best weapons"

[@jahjalh9648]

There's one or two weapons that are exceptions, ok?

[@Jacob-yg7lz]

@@jahjalh9648 Balance is entirely about the exceptions

[@jahjalh9648]

@@Jacob-yg7lz yeah, but to be fair, the kunai was literally said by blue to be the best weapon in the mode. Would you call regular TF2 unbalanced just because... Whatever it's best weapon is exists? (I forgot what's technically the best, but you get my point.)

[@youngthinker1]

@@jahjalh9648 the default sniper rifle used by bots to instantly kill people?

[@jahjalh9648]

@@youngthinker1 just like random crits do not belong in any talk about overall game balance, neither do bots.

[@vaclavkokes6236]

"tf2 times ten isa not a terribly unbalanced mode as people think it is" yeah sure kunai user

[@fortnitesexman]

Literally just look at anything with a damage resistance Heavy is literally immortal with the fists of steel outside of melee attacks

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

@@fortnitesexman And how hard is to to melee melee heavies?

[@TheGhostlyNoob]

@@fortnitesexman Heavy is fodder for spies and demoknights with that. Which, not big surprise, are the most played classes in x10. Unless you can outrun a kunai spy with the dead ringer speed boost or a demoknight as any other class in x10, you might as well just enjoy getting dominated by them until you either become one of them or leave cause you can't play the class you want in peace. Why, yes, I have a bone to pick with x10, how could you tell?

[@LovelySoftSnow]

its a joke mode idg the point in defending it as a serious thing

[@captaingoomba6907]

It's definitely more balanced than people give it credit for tbh but yeah there's some stupid busted shit

[@oakdotpng2246]

20:25 those are bots. I refuse to believe that there are real human beings behind their computer and doing that.

[@FatheredPuma81]

I actually thought the medic was a F2P being weird until I saw the Heavy do the same thing.

[@mrrooter601]

I was gonna say, no way normal players would just stand there getting stabbed on repeat

[@egaming1071]

imagine a TF2X1 mode 😳

[@diyaraslan6270]

nah dont think that would fly

[@egaming1071]

@@diyaraslan6270 WDYM IT WOULD BE CRAZIER, SILIER, AND MORE COMICAL THAN TIMES 10 MODE!

[@rsoexists]

imagine TF2 x0

[@nonsensicalhumanoid]

@@rsoexists TF2 x0.5. All stats are halved.

[@aerofur]

@@nonsensicalhumanoid TF2*(-1), all stats are reversed

[@binarycat1237]

why did they multiply only one of the upsides of the spyciclicle by only 2? it should be 10 seconds of immunity and 100 of no afterburn.

[@Botboy1200]

The person who set the stats must’ve been a pyro main.

[@RdTrler]

Probably because you could melt your Spy-cicle with the help of an enemy Scorch Shot, run back to spawn, switch knives, and enjoy 80-90 seconds of afterburn immunity with something like the Kunai.

[@dungww2006]

@@RdTrler i dont think afterburn immunity would matter if you were using the kunai. you'd still either have 1 or 2100 hp

[@RdTrler]

@@dungww2006 Well it's a matter of not getting caught out by the Pyro's friends, especially if it's one of those multiplier servers that affect the Detonator/Scorch Shot's ignite radius or supercharges the fire rate.

[@thegreensunsetgroup2501]

I definitely want more of these tier lists. Also because of the 9 classes and then a final tier list of all the classes, that was mentioned in the video, it will have 10 videos, which fits really well and basically means you have to.

[@luciencartervo5356]

Wow, the spycicle stats makes me think that the mod devs are pyro mains.

[@purplehaze2358]

“Just being able to instantly appear behind someone, stab them…” Nothin personell kid.

[@IAdmitMyCrime]

hey nice Henry Stickmin reference

[@jorgetomas968]

@@IAdmitMyCrime i think it is a reference to a reference but ok

[@IAdmitMyCrime]

@@jorgetomas968 alright, it was in Henry Stickmin though

[@toxic_shr00m]

@@IAdmitMyCrime No, it's a reference to Coldsteel the Hedgeheg (no that's not a mistake), a really old Sonic OC

[@IAdmitMyCrime]

@@toxic_shr00m Oh ok, I didn't know that.

[@Jessie_Helms]

So x10 takes the standard “red tape counters minis” meta to an extreme

[@xayahnepo]

The dragons fury makes me disagree with x10 being relatively balanced. You can go power jack run at the speed of sound and then deal 3000% damahe on burning targets. Or the uh direct hit a explosive sniper rifle. Edit:I managed to not even put what I disagree what lmao

[@Cat_Garfield]

Disagree with what

[@xayahnepo]

@@Cat_Garfield fixed

[@orangechicken2262]

The direct hit just becomes a better melee weapon

[@xayahnepo]

@@orangechicken2262 In normal tf2 its a Meele weapon, in x10 is a Meele sniper rifle

[@orangechicken2262]

Every server I play on has the rocket going like 2x the normal speed of the direct hit

[@DrunkedOwly]

I think a pretty funny use for the red tape recorder would be that it almost instantly reverses upgrades but does basically no damage

[@egg_ox]

It's weird to hear someone talk about x10 like it's a normal gamemode and not a DM fest

[@DarkBonesDaku]

This is a really interesting video just because the 10x ecosystem seems like such a different world. You mention certain weapons like the Battalion's Backup or Scorch Shot as being significant counters when to me, as someone who has never played this mode, those things are pretty much meaningless. I would certainly be interested to see more tier list videos like this.

[@Kokoawsum421]

Once on Hightower randomized x10 I got blutsauger + kunai and would die in about 5 seconds and get the exact same loadout because of the suicide. The entire server stopped to try to kill me to get me out of the loop.

[@lepatrick4596]

"we'll talk about the backup when i make a video about it" tier list video for all classes? nice. you're the first one to make something like this, make use of that

[@willie69420]

I really thought "the meat" was intentional

[@ghost_ramen3868]

The Huo-Long Heater instant kills every class (but demoknight) with its flames. Side note: I know this happens in 100x but not sure if it happens in 10x.

[@scootaloormayfly3536]

Kunai Spy: Stands in the middle of the map Sniper: Shoots the hundreds of bullets you get from your stock machine gun Sniper with crits Kunai Spy: "That tickled"

[@bluven508blaze3]

Why call it the meta when you can call it "the meat"

[@KAACHOW]

4:28 The Pyro tried jumping with the scorch shot (You can't jump with it in x10)

[@Leekodot15]

Hoooonestly, x10 is actually kind of tame. Sure, I've played x10 almost exclusively, but it's still... Tame compared to uh... X100 and up. X100 and up is when the balance goes out the window. It also helps that the STOCK weapons got buffed as well in x10.

[@SuperBustyEva]

"One shot the squishes" is one of the funniest things I've heard on youtube.

[@niverasten2313]

The Your Eternal Reward would work pretty well with the Dead Ringer or Cloak and Dagger. You wouldn't be using your cloak to actually well, cloak, but it would basically be for disguises, and with those options you pretty much recharge it instantly, and since the Cloak and Dagger has such a fast recharge, it could be paired with the L'tranger to almost nullify the knife's main downsides. It would be perfect for chainstabbing a whole team or taking care of a massive sentry nest.

[@acid9033]

It's not like that was in the game at one point Cough cough Saharan spy cough cough

[@Nawakooo0]

For L'Étranger's name you're almost there! Just add an "eh" (without pronouncing the h) and you're good! Awesome vid btw.

[@FatheredPuma81]

He should just call it the Lee-Train-Jer to piss people off. Or Leet Ranger if he wants to be cringy.

[@Nawakooo0]

@@FatheredPuma81 Oh god oh no

[@shortsandwich5573]

I feel like nobody is talking about how big of a missed opportunity it was to not name TF2x10, TF20.

[@akai_shuichi_x]

This should definitely be a series!

[@Peter_Ian_Staker]

counters to kunai: Huo long heater fire ring Airblast Splendid screen shield bash Brass beast (situational) Stock knife Direct hit

[@seanrobinson-old-4463]

I love how x10 changes each class to something completely different, like the way that the roles of the spy and heavy are practically swapped

[@PajamaPantsStudios]

I would love to see more episodes of this series!

[@Aidosity]

Going by this list the worst combo is L'Etranger, RTR, Spycycle, and C&D. I feel it has a single really pointless strategy with it though, being that you can stay invisible forever, without needing to worry about being exposed by fire at any point. You can turn up anywhere on the map at any time completely unnoticed, just to place an excessively slow sapper on an unguarded mini-sentry, just to disappear again. The downside is that you deal basically no damage, having to rely on backstabs to get any kills, which is unlikely as you probably don't even have a knife. It's the highest cloak loadout and the lowest damage loadout at the same time. Obviously it would make more sense to change the L'Etranger out for something else as the double cloak size is so unlikely to actually help often enough to be worth it, but I still think this would be a funny meme strat. Somewhat tempted to give it a shot tbh

[@dexterity494]

For the deadringer: is the damage reduction also multiplied? As in do you take even less damage?

[@gabrielbarron7667]

I think its removed

[@Qaos]

Great video, and a cool idea for a series! I sure hope the series covers all 9 classes instead of randomly just stopping at 6!

[@purplehaze2358]

Unironically, times 10 is more balanced than the actual base game.

[@simonsoupshark8009]

@Cringe dont forget his other too guns the i am now a sentry and firerate=clickspeed

[@hertzzgames]

not even in your dreams bro

[@ToyFreddyGaming1987]

Ironically maybe, unironically NO

[@soup-flavored-soup6613]

Anything that removes health is completely trash in tf20

[@epicalfailure83]

@Cringe soldier kills as long as you have the skills.

[@pipis2k]

18:29 you can also backstab and camp them in their spawn with the stock invis watch, make them laugh (most effective against dead ringer users) and burn them with the huo, light them on fire and two shot them with the sun on a stick etc

[@brianj.stephan2080]

18:54 correction, the hou long heater, dalakos bar & eviction notice is a hard counter toa kunia, 400 afterburn damage a second with strip them of that overheal in a sinch.

[@cheesepop7175]

"toa kunia" toa kunia sounds like a fancy name for a kunai or somethinggggggggggg

[@cheesepop7175]

"sinch"

[@rgbfloyd6248]

Holy shit that enginner / medic duo getting crushed by the elevator was amazing.

[@sonofjenova3798]

This is great. Please continue this series

[@elanrg]

4:53 is when the their list starts.

[@BritOfADrag]

"This probably won't get many views" *I literally have never watched you before and this was randomly recommended to me.*

[@MarkStillPlays]

we need more X10 tier lists please this is awesome

[@holdenkelly8787]

i can't believe tf2 is still a thing in 2021 14 years strong i hope this game never dies out

[@JoeL-bd9lz]

if you ever do x100 for the soldier, I found this interesting thing where if you use the direct hit and the gunboats, it will overheal you whenever you use it. you can actually survive falling off the cliff at Hightower because that deals 10,000 damage and you can go over that with this gimmick

[@breadmilkYT]

Fun fact: in x100 a kunai spy has so much health (21,000) that he can actually survive falling in the pit and can hang out at the bottom with 10,000 to spare

[@cheesepop7175]

you can only survive for 10 seconds though

[@cheesepop7175]

2,522,880,000

[@testname4464]

I don't even play TF2 but tf2 vids are just really relaxing to me

[@Sudafedz]

We need to have a highlander x10 tournament

[@SovereignM.N]

"maybe at the end of these i'll do a class tier list" *1 year later*

[@lumensmith9787]

I remember the Kunai in x10 used to be even more ridiculous. I don’t know if it was a math error, but it used to give you 5,000-9,000 hp on stab, but it actually was probably the least used knife at the time because the watches weren’t x10 yet and it was way back when the dead ringer was so absurd that the kunai’s health was just unnecessary when paired with the ringer’s damage resistance. It took forever to be nerfed to the 2100 hp version we know and love, but I suspect the change had to do with many servers opting for running non-arena maps, meaning the risk was so much lower than forcing your team to be down a player for the rest of the round if you missed your stab.

[@barneysanders285]

Plz do all classes this is a rlly cool concept

[@Vhite]

I never played this mod, and I haven't played TF2 in years, but these are still fun to watch.

[@cdgonepotatoes4219]

an easy way to fix the red tape recorder would be to make it much slower, but at the same time give it 10 times the health

[@Mohandar881]

Worth noting the like you said the Stock Knife is really good against Kunai spies because that much health does nothing against a backstab. I’d consider it a hard counter for that reason due to the insane attack speed, and often times latency issues causes random jank backstabs.

[@Luigicat11]

You know, if they also x10'd the Taunt Kills the Kunai would still be possible to beat if the Spy using it is careless (or if a Heavy with the Holiday Punch stuns 'em and gives 'em a 5,000-damage Pootis Pow).

[@MfwPrivate]

I love how he's right in the intro: if everyone is x10, how is the game unbalanced?

[@binarycat1237]

I didn't even question "The Meat" lol

[@GINeric_]

I'm late but I'm betting the Kunai is *The Meat* tier, or at least *Usually a good choice* tier

[@GogiRegion]

I’ll be honest, I’m pretty sure it’s the strongest weapon in all of TF2x10, so it would be weird for it not to be in the Meat tier.

[@grodbert6905]

Another decent way to deal with a x10 Kunai Spy: Holiday Punch + Tomislav Punch the spy once with the Holiday Punch, then just spam left-click at them with the tomislav

[@orangeblorange]

old comment but what about the huo long? wouldn't it shred them faster.

[@DaRockeet]

I was close! I figured the real *Meat* and potatoes of Spy's x10 loadouts is the Kunai (obviously) paired with Dead Ringer and the Diamondback. Never realized how good the Ambassador was, but then again, plain ol' x10 is a bit of an antiquated game mode to me, so I probably have fallen a bit behind the times on it. Maybe I'll come back to it after seeing this video!

[@getsu0]

Just wanna say that stock minigun+dalokohs bar+eviction notice heavy is so powerful and I've regularly wiped servers and lived forever using it.

[@venomouswyverns8819]

i hope it isnt a one off, it was fun to watch, i'd love to see the heavy or the sniper next if you continue

[@chronred8190]

i think that the dead ringer would be better for a melee main spy due to the speed boost and the ability to trick-stab; some spies just really don't want to use guns, and prefer to rely specifically on stabbing. so the speed boost would make it much easier to get behind people and avoid attacks

[@lordakatosh638]

I love this. Please I beg you to do the rest. I even subscribe

[@Tr0lliPop]

ok do tauntkills work differently in x10 or does the kunai literally allow you to survive a tauntkill pls tell me

[@SmashSSL]

So weird seeing someone treat this troll/joke/meme/ironic gamemode like it's a serious thing

[@sirchris6047]

Aka anything relating to tf2

[@jumpinghunter9152]

Bro, can you pleeeeease make the Vs Saxton Hale weapons tierlist for some classes? I would like to hear that from you, and it will actually have some practical sense since it will help those men who is not familliar with VSH. Plez, bro, i beg you.

[@AzureIsTaken]

tf2xwhatever is one of the most fun tf2 experiences I've had since the shadowban update

[@blacktemplar1139]

"nobodies going to always get headshots" hackers and spinbots: are you sure about that

[@portablerefrigerator4902]

we need the x100 tier list

[@auburncrow4568]

Oh do you play the meta? NO I play the MEAT.

[@lepatrick4596]

"i think that depends on the map" there's more than one map to x10?

[@fiddleriddlediddlediddle]

It took me 34 minutes to realize I don't care.

[@nicoanon]

Ok ? No one cares if you don't care lmao

[@PinkMawile]

Disguising as your own team along with the dead ringer is a great way to get by the spammy pyros who camp.

[@wKanin_0]

The Red Tape would be more like Not Great but Not Terrible tier, for the reason that it is a building disabler. Since the Red Tape has doubled the sap time, it will out last the engineer's respawn time & the fact that they cannot destroy nor build a new one during that time, allows for fun trolly camping of nest. In 10x mode, the sap time becomes x20.

[@codfish1113]

The RTR is best used as a "I like to watch the world burn" weapon. Plus it denies Gunslinger engis a mini-sentry for a few extra seconds, so there's that.

[@snapgaming4]

So it seems that the Connivers kuni, stock Invis, dead ring, ambassador, diamond back and stock knife are the meat for X10 spy

[@benismann]

now I really want to do tf2 crits orange tier list...

[@loganoria6592]

The YER can actually be decent when paired with the C&D and L'tranger or whatever its called. The more cloak you get from the French gun can counteract the cloak drain, and the C7D's nearly instant cloak regen makes the disguising taking up cloak not that big of a deal.

[@cydonix]

Please just call it the meat in the future videos

[@ninjabo0117]

In x100 I use the red tape to troll engineers. It does have a stat It has the reverse effect but that's not important, I use the 100x slower damage to just flat out disable but not destroy the building... Say I telefrag the engie on top of higher tower,I can then sap the buildings to effectively lock the engie out of using his buildings,you can't self destruct the building while its being saped

[@mtrttt7256]

You dont need to backstab a person with big earner to get cloack and speed. You just need to kill them.

[@PrimordialTheAvali]

6:28 lol that solider

[@noonehere6994]

do you know if the stock cloak was nerfed? I played on the same UGC x10 hightower server but it doesn't have the instant cloak.

[@Zokeyr]

"Scout's not very good." The Winger: "and I took that personally."

[@bezzaboyo]

Kunai has a LOT of soft counters, but many of them require two players to be 100% foolproof. If the pyro is running stock cloak, then you will almost always need a scorch pyro (or any flamethrower) on the team to keep them perma-lit so you can't lose them. From there you can: airblast the spy into a corner and have a teammate direct hit them 4 times (with damage this is usually enough to outright kill the spy), make a large scottish resistance trap in a popular travel location, use direct hit in general (airblast/fire is not necessary but makes this counter significantly stronger), play as default spy with l'etranger to camp an ammo box near whatever location the kunai spy may use to get health/ammo/mobility/stabs and machine knife them to death. You can play huo long heater/natascha and make their life hell, airblast them into a deathtrap, hit them with a splendid screen shield bash a few times (this does an insane amount of damage btw, it used to be WAY more effective with the spammable persian persuader). Medic syringe gun is quite effective in a drawn out 1v1, though if the spy has a gun equipped that he can kill you with, it is unlikely you will survive long enough to kill him without assistance. There are more that I can't think of, these are just the obvious ones. Kunai is OP, but it's not without its list of counters.

[@AffyMoon]

The conniver+amby+stock combo really is broken lmao. I've managed to actually look like a semi reliable spy with it even tho I'm shite. The best part of the kunai is that even if you suck at trickstabs like me, you can just run up to the enemy with 2000 hp and jump around and bash them until you get a backstab and refill your hp or they die to your knife. The amby straight up turns you into a budget sniper