The Underdog's Underdog

[@acardinalconsideration824]

I am a 4’2” crack baby with down syndrome who has been incredibly successful in both playing the stock market and playing ball in the WNBA

[@BorisEysbroek]

Are you perhaps also a balding Indian?

[@GnomeWagon]

I might be interested in sports ball games if they were all played by downies.

[@doompaul7315]

Most believable egalitarianism advocate.

[@CRM-114]

Extreme examples are not helpful.

[@BorisEysbroek]

@@CRM-114 Agreed, extreme examples are extremely helpful.

[@RedAlert3Uprising]

"Even hard work is genetic" - Rehab Room

[@FoB39]

The eternal dirt nap can’t come soon enough

[@lane1368]

@@FoB39 😂

[@CRM-114]

Not exactly an expert in genetics. He‘s also obviously mentally ill in my opinion.

[@mcuserton]

My computer's CPU used to have only 4 cores that ran at 2.4 GHz. But one day it woke up from sleep and decided it was going to run at 3.7 GHz with 8 cores. I couldn't be more proud of my computer.

[@zerioxo]

LOL

[@veselinodabashqn9093]

hahahhahahah you crazy me like it

[@luizmonad777]

my computer was running at 3.5Ghz, one day I thought, lets run you at 5Ghz, you can do it ! (for 35 seconds, it really did it, then it died)

[@nagiaoe2434]

I overclocked my 3.7 to 5.1 ghz recently

[@arfaxad2137]

You are not a computer

[@Lord_Meeks]

I couldve been a Green Beret, Navy Seal , Army Ranger , and Delta Force but my recruits said i was too handsome so i chose crime and it oaid off instead. Keep grinding guys

[@BOSSDONMAN]

Never give up!

[@JeanGreenLean]

Never get up!

[@shikharacc1543]

meekpilled af

[@MourningDove-bn4dk]

Those stockers need more hours too. Just think about all of that extra inventory just sitting there in the back. Bless you.

[@BWatskins]

Never get up, you just gotta take the first step!

[@kludgedude]

"You can do what you will, but you cannot will what you will." - Arthur Schopenhauer

[@user-tb7ml8kz7h]

Oh but you totally can - just desire to desire to do the thing you lack the desire to do...

[@dustinmiller2775]

"Do the thing. Then you'll get the energy to do the thing." ~Ralph Waldo Emerson

[@michaeldavid6832]

Oh yes you can -- modern chemistry has drugs that can give you more willpower.

[@nisamvise1724]

@@user-tb7ml8kz7h Ok, how?

[@nisamvise1724]

@@michaeldavid6832 Like?

[@General_Kenobi_212]

The only thing that saved Goggins was the fact that the military will take anyone if they meet the requirements. It's why it's historically been a good fallback option for guys who don't know what else to do with their lives. The problem is today that no one wants to serve because everybody's woken up to the fact that the military doesn't care about it's troops in the slightest (just look at the vets), has horrendous leadership, and no one want to 💀 for foreign countries, C E 0 s, and our own evil leaders

[@RumoredAtmos]

The government loves soldiers, and hates veterans

[@aethru7202]

people don't realize how much of life is luck.

[@brianmeen2158]

Yes and sone folks don’t realize how important it is to make the right decisions.. only foolish people that are afraid of failure sit back and think luck is 90% of the game

[@roderickcortez138]

@@brianmeen2158 Only make right decisions. Only buy winning lottery tickets.

[@Lyu-Phy]

@@roderickcortez138 It's the abundance mindset.

[@SerajAlhorany]

Yup up to 60% of life is dump luck

[@bob2k375]

@@brianmeen2158Life is in a constant descriptive state I’m currently seeing how the most cliche sayings like “Learn from your mistakes” are becoming ever so real to me I’m 20 and felt like a failure for pretty much the majority of my life, I knew I was making mistakes but I kept on repeating them over and over and over I blamed everyone and everything on my problems ,everything except myself . I had the accountability of a child for the majority of my formative years Coming to terms with this fact left me with so much pain and regret, it made me feel like an even bigger failure. Now I’m taking life one step at a time, regret and self loathing give me nothing but chains I have to forgive myself and move forward, because every other option hurts me Sorry if this was a tough read English isn’t my first language

[@thePraddagee]

Keep calm. It’s not “false inspiration”. It’s called HOPE; it keeps the less fortunate from giving up and deleting themselves. The goal isn’t to achieve EXACTLY what he did. The goal is to strengthen your will to achieve YOUR OWN maximum potential (whatever that looks like).

[@jimmd56]

Indeed. Not diificult to understand. I don't get why people here refuse to see it.

[@trubkadefekt3645]

​@@jimmd56people here are mostly defeatists

[@beauford8099]

The Meek(s) shall inherit the earth. Never get up.

[@BWatskins]

"Mogging to me is like not bullying the bullied kid, helping your community. That's what makes a person beautiful" Sean O'Pry 6'0 Supermodel who got invited to be the "guy" in one of Taylor Swift's music video

[@maxmeeks9910]

Me?

[@me8751]

Never get up! 🙏

[@itachi4115]

😂

[@MDE_never_dies]

WAKE ME UP!

[@random_videos_production]

It's not only about hard work. You can work hard and get nothing for it.

[@regencyrow1867]

Indeed. One can work as hard as they like but, ultimately, the profit your labour generates will be siphoned off into the pockets of shareholders.

[@random_videos_production]

@@regencyrow1867 😅😂

[@zirgreen1]

Don’t be a boomer, Hollywood show us that even women can do it. without training or anything

[@billcullen8380]

Lots of Boomers have man Boobers....

[@BWatskins]

Agree, why would HollyWood ever lie...lmao

[@adamkane7513]

A lot more untrained, unfit & unfriendly young women square up to me these days. They truly believe they can physically compete with a 6'1" 200lb+ door supervisor. They were not so delusional even 10 years ago. I assume Hollywood plays a big factor...

[@daemon_knight]

In its inception, the Navy initially selected many guys who were social outcasts and not in peak physical form to form the Navy Seals because they knew the value of men who had nothing to lose. Its only after they became useful and famous that all the alpha/fit types of men began to join in droves, and it became just like any other military organization. I imagine the same thing happened with the Army's Green Berets as many of them in Vietnam photos are looking short and malnourished, far from the modern hunk of today.

[@CheeseOfMasters]

It's more like fitness and nutrition has evolved with many of these guys taking supplements (and sometimes doping) to get insane growth.

[@reasonablespeculation3893]

@@CheeseOfMasters lot of "chemical help" going on in the fitness/sports/influencer Entertainment complex It's become a medical specialty in itself.

[@BenchSitter]

Same with the British SAS

[@terrorbilly1]

All those military programmes whether it’s Navy Seals or the SAS do the same thing. It’s reprogramming where first they will break your will and build you anew. Being ‘Alpha’ afterwards is a side effect.

[@paulsmith5611]

Today the Navy still claims regarding BUD/s training that it's "all what's in your mind, just tell yourself you can do it and don't give into the pain, just don't quit". And they know that's not true. If young men go out on a Saturday and try to run 20 miles in their hometown, do 1,000 push ups in one day, or go swim 3 miles in the ocean, and then get up the next day and do it again, and do it again and again, for several weeks they would know it's not true either (because they would be in a doctors office with a badly injured and broken body). But....if they tell enough healthy young guys who are gullible enough to chase a dream with very low odds then the number of Navy enlistees goes up. Only a few will even get the chance to try out for the SEALs and even fewer will pass the selection but all of them will serve 4 years or more doing another job for the Navy. In this way the Navy has had great marketing, especially compared to the Army. In the 1980s thanks to the movie Rambo and the stories of Vietnam, the Green Beret were the media promoted bad asses. Today it's the SEALs.

[@Lyu-Phy]

Just carry yourself up by the bootstraps soldier! Just become rich, a Chad, a star. Keep grinding in the grinder for Chad and Stacy and millionaires!

[@BWatskins]

Chad truly thanks your sacrifice to suyciety. He can enjoy all the wonders and luxuries of the modern world while he smashes your looksmatch

[@Lyu-Phy]

@@BWatskins Yes and all while you are on the grind, just gotta grind harder.

[@BWatskins]

@@Lyu-Phy If we all keep grinding, we'll all be able to keep grinding

[@roderickcortez138]

You just gotta think positive broham. That's all it takes. You can do anything if you just put your mind to it bucko.

[@Lyu-Phy]

@@roderickcortez138 Have to make Chaddus Pennyworth Goldstein Thundercock richer so he can buy his next Superyacht. Keep grinding, keep hustling!

[@RolandoRatas]

Absolutely correct, I liked Gattaca but I could smell the B.S. right from the start of the movie during the swimming race when the brother with the heart condition beat his ubermensch genetically engineered to perfection brother who had typical athletic abilities. Also the ease with which he beat up the bio engineered cops at the night club, the way he managed to get the girl (Uma Thurman) and evade detection at work for 99.9% of the time when he was a complete Charlatan. It was a fantasy movie with B.S. turned up to eleven !! It's a movie that gives false hope to the genetically, physically and mentally incapable.

[@BWatskins]

It's all just misguided hope to keep you grinding and contributing to society so Chad can live his life without stress smashing Stacies...while the incapacitated gets nothin

[@---nu4ed]

They were not genetic supermen.

[@RolandoRatas]

@@---nu4ed they weren't genetic supermen but they were the best version genetically that they could possibly be from their mother and father

[@Ergeniz]

@@RolandoRatas How is that NOT a genetic superman?

[@brianbarrett8739]

​@@Ergenizthey may not have superior genes to combine for every trait. Unless couples get together because they know they have complementary genes, not likely, it would still be difficult to make "super humans" that would share any genetic material from both parents. If I were to go and "have a baby made" with genetic combinations that cannot be created from my genes, is it really my child?

[@yoyo762]

This so reminds me of the original Star Wars where we meet the gifted underdog luke skywalker. He has to train to be a Jedi but he comes from a father who is a strong powered Jedi. So even there the concept of genetic advantage is touched on . Its not like a nobody with zero jedi genetics gets to become the super powered jedi master. Even George Lucas knew people would see that as a impossibility.

[@JDrocks4ever]

I think your anecdote reveals something very important about the way humans think. People seem to be inclined towards adopting idealistic, irrational, and superstitious beliefs with poor evidence as some means to an end regardless of what that end may be

[@Malachi_Padilla]

Sounds a lot like religion tbh

[@fornoRaisin]

nobody believes in the blank slate they just say they do because it makes them sound good

[@CountDownToSerenity]

if they say they do then i say they believe

[@fornoRaisin]

@@CountDownToSerenity

[@BWatskins]

A fellow Greenskin and Chazz bully...

[@fornoRaisin]

@@BWatskins Chazz is a chalk board covered in crayon drawings

[@BWatskins]

@@fornoRaisin He ate the crayons..

[@Shrimplicit]

There is a certain humility to accepting that some people just cant do what you can do and a certain arrogance to thinking anyone could do what youre doing. Even if we are usually told the exact opposite in society.

[@IbnRushd-mv3fp]

How though?, this philosophy is literally crass nihilism disguised in this intellectual "uwu this is how life works lil bro" bubble wrap.

[@martinstu8400]

"I sencerely hope that we can nail the coffin shut on this notion that hard work is somehow this abstract quallity that anyone can engage in, a “freebie”, as it were, as opposed to things like talent, beauty or intelligence." (c) Stardusk

[@maxsimon36]

Naive NPC exhibit defensive programs against reality and potential observations. Perhaps a black bill for us Stardusk Pillers would recognising their limitations for considering others. Nice luck getting an honest confession from that guy.

[@kanejakejimmy]

You're right. Life is not fair. And it's so unfair it has allowed many people to believe it is.

[@unknowninfinium4353]

Despite its unfairness there are some that strive through it. What's there to strive for in talking about how life is unfair?

[@solomongrundy1467]

​​​​@@unknowninfinium4353I think the point is that people can be a-holes towards others who have no control of the crappy genes they were born with. There's no empathy, just outright criticism and treating people in a dehumanizing manner.

[@unknowninfinium4353]

@@solomongrundy1467 To an extent. I am one with the crappy Genes and I get treated bad for it. But I wont throw this life away. That's what I am arguing for.

[@solomongrundy1467]

​@@unknowninfinium4353Yeah, I didn't get lucky with my genetics either. The only thing I can do is make improvements where I can. It's better than not doing anything.

[@thinking-ape6483]

@@solomongrundy1467 Correct.

[@saberbo89]

Life is cruel if you are average dude living alone with no friends or family and working shity job its like living in nightmare.

[@greenwendal5056]

Have we met?

[@briansmith5391]

You just described my current life.

[@ibrahimhassaan6188]

Why not make new friends? Try it at work and invite co workers on outings and stuff. Life doesnt have to suck just because you arent on a mega yacht surrounded by girls

[@remixmas]

​@ibrahimhassaan6188 you dont really make friends after college. Something with our natural bonding at an older age isnt the same. It becomes more transactional and if you dont have something to offer other parties theu wont really be inclined to be your friend

[@greenwendal5056]

@@ibrahimhassaan6188 I'm exaggerating a bit. To be honest nobody at work is really worth my time. I literally have to dumb myself down to try and fit in with the sheep.

[@lorddeathspit1124]

A small/medium size fitness account I followed was talking about how Goggins inspired him to train through his health problems and he had something go wrong with his heart and had to stop training altogether for awhile and slowly build back up. Goggins can do what he does mostly due to genetics most of us would thrash are joints and connective tissues. Train smart.

[@CheeseOfMasters]

Still more of us are probably wasting potential instead of over-training.

[@lorddeathspit1124]

@@CheeseOfMasters true but I wouldn’t suggest marathons or 3 hour lifting sessions to avoid being lazy. There’s a medium that will get ya in good health

[@MogMonster87]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@CheeseOfMastersgoggins will have to have hip replacements in his 50’s/60’s. Wear and tear will catch up with him eventually and then he’ll have to explain to his doctor why he needs a myriad of surgeries in old age

[@brianmeen2158]

Yeah how many of you guys are working out at all? While it’s silly to go gung ho with exercise - it’s just as dumb to not exercise at all ..

[@CheeseOfMasters]

@@MogMonster87 Sure, my old Karate teacher was also on his third hip or so, but it's also true that to stay fit and healthy you don't need to do a third of what he does.

[@Lyu-Phy]

"War is a cruel parent, but an effective teacher. Its final lesson is carved deep in my psyche: That this world, and all its people, are diseased. Free will is a myth. Religion is a joke. We are all pawns, controlled by something greater: Memes. The DNA of the soul. They shape our will. They are the culture, they are everything we pass on. Expose someone to anger long enough, they will learn to hate. They become a carrier. Envy, greed, despair... All memes. All passed along." -Monsoon.

[@ljturnbow]

Metal Gear Rising for the win.

[@secretagent4610]

Maybe nano machines can make us better?

[@Endymion766]

I just WOKE up one day and DECIDED I would no longer believe in the tabula rasa illusion!! hehe No, it took some work and looking at all the evidence, and was an effort in trying to analyze my own problems as well as those plaguing our societies, because it was clear that higher academia was going to keep repeating "just do it" like some sort of religious mantra. But I was able to challenge myself into accepting the possibility that genes do determine at least half, if not most, of our fate, and I really did not like that, but it just kept proving itself true, behind every curtain I pulled aside. But I'm glad I was able to accept it because it meant I didn't have hold this sort of legally required disdain for anyone and everyone who was worse off than me, and then shame for myself whenever I met someone better then me. I literally became, imo, a better person, more compassionate and sympathetic, which just feels better all around. Young me was kind of a jerk but I don't disdain him either. He was raised in blue-pill boot strap stay hard world, so what else could he have been at such a young age? I am happy he survived it too in spite of all the soul twisting contradictions, because I kind of like being alive.

[@drpotato5381]

i see you in rehab rooms comment sections sometimes do you have a discord? I always really like reading your posts

[@Endymion766]

@@drpotato5381 sadly no, just my YT channel here where I sometimes make community posts.

[@drpotato5381]

@@Endymion766 well if you got one id like to be your friend or if u have a steam

[@Endymion766]

@@drpotato5381 I really appreciate the gesture. On steam, I am *jacklinger* though I've never communicated to anyone on there before so unfamiliar with how all that works.

[@Endymion766]

@@drpotato5381 YT keeps deleting this comment - I am jacklinger on Steam but I rarely communicate on there.

[@CopingDoom]

Whose gonna carry the boats? Whose gonna carry the logs!- Goggins and rehab room

[@unknowninfinium4353]

Turning your life around is a good thing. I cannot say what's better than watching vidoes that does the opposite.

[@el3yung]

Way too many people live in COPEnHagen😭

[@unknowninfinium4353]

@@el3yung The trick is to pick the right copes. Or make videos about cope. Which I Still dont get how that is fun. I guess everyone has their own copes.

[@CopingDoom]

@@unknowninfinium4353 i got a job recently and nothing has changed much. Hitting the gym doesn't do anything, but a fedcel like you wouldn't get it. However I have a solution to all of this, why dont you hook us up with great networks and careers starting at $100k/yr and I will gladly support your claims

[@harambe4267]

@@unknowninfinium4353 I mean he did, but it's delusional to expect more than a handful of people to match his willpower. I don't know anyone, hardcore athlete or not, who can for example keep running after grinding their knee cartilage to dust.

[@BOSSDONMAN]

These guys never seem to address the fact that everyone's neurological architecture differs, and we have little to no control over designing or manipulating said architecture.

[@luisd5098]

I would argue that we do have some control. A habit is a form of control. The path ways become stronger for certain habits and that's why bad habits are hard to break.

[@thinking-ape6483]

Absolutely. There is always this assumption that the baseline neurological architecture is identical.

[@ioanniskonovesis3438]

A chick used to be like that " you need to change man i cannot be with someone like that " i was left in my own devices bought my stuff worked my shitjob and she tried to change her life by trying hard to study well guess what poverty hardships and inability to pass the university got to her . Reality slaps every naïve mf back to their place . Ancient Greeks said know yourself not try to be what you can't be

[@brianmeen2158]

While we don’t have total control of what we think and do - we have more control over it than what most black pill folks think.

[@Dylonysus]

And focusing on this is what’s going to get you ahead in life , honestly taking realism to this level is cringe it’s like worshipping determinism as the final answer

[@thedust850]

People who believe in the blank slate have never failed at something while giving it their full effort. Failing even though you tried your hardest will teach you that we are not all born equal 😂

[@TheMaleRei]

Even then, they would just say, "Nexxt tiim, bro. Eye get it nex thyme, yo."

[@LukeLane1984]

I've had so many heated discussions about this with my brother. He believes that everyone is the absolute master of their own life. He reads those self-help books, and truly believes that if he basically copies the way "successful" people live their lives, he will have the exact same result. And when I point out how many people try and fail, his response is something like "they just didn't work hard enough", or "they had a weak mindset". I find this to be an extremely toxic mindset, because that would mean, and this is the way he looks at the world, that everyone who strives for "success", but fails due to things completely out if their control, are actually "lazy", "they didn't work hard enough". In his eyes, those people don't deserve respect.

[@rexaustin2885]

That is how prayer works too.

[@godismalevolent]

Ironically, in the same way that it isn’t our fault, it isn’t your brother’s fault. Your brother is just acting in line with his nature/nurture; none of us, NONE, have free will.

[@rexaustin2885]

@@godismalevolent yes, exactly the final conclusion most people miss out on because the ego's last attempt at identity preservation kicks in.

[@LukeLane1984]

@@godismalevolent Oh, absolutely! 100% agree! Free will is an illusion. At least, I'm pretty sure classical free will is, though I strongly lean towards any kind of free will being an illusion.

[@Kain666]

ALTERNATIVE READ ON GATICA: I don't know how widespread this interpretation is, but there's actually another reading of Gatica that may actually change Stardusk's opinion of the film. In the final scene of the rocket take off the main character tenses up and some read this as him having the long promised heart attack. Meaning that everything he did was pointless because in the end he couldn't overcome his genetics and couldn't achieve his dream to explore space. The society was right about genetic predeterminism all along and all his defiance did was steal the opportunity from someone actually qualified and waste a bunch of people's time/money. Despite all the corny idealism, human will fails in the end. As I said, I think this might be a fairly subversive/uncommon reading, but I think it makes way more sense and it transforms the theme into one about accepting your limitations and not giving in to magical thinking. Very interesting that how one interprets those last few seconds completely changes the moral of the film

[@loosegoose2466]

I remember as an 11 year old pointing out that the idea that anyone can be anything they want to be was bullshit. At the end of the day if we didnt have people doing all the low wage jobs the system would collapse if these people werent there

[@LaxDux]

DBDR could demotivate David Goggings

[@TheMaleRei]

DBDR would be a challenge. But then Goggins would turn on 1) Shaming, language 2) Man Up Bro, language And then Goggins would strut and declare victory.

[@ubcroel4022]

@@TheMaleRei Just like goggins did with Sean Strickland?

[@electrodynamicorb6548]

Isn’t DBDR gone?

[@brianmeen2158]

No he couldn’t.. most sane adults would laugh or shun DBDR. They’d see him As being very weak and too willing to wallow in self pity

[@ranfan1820]

​​@@brianmeen2158"sane adults" = normies.

[@res2788]

Goggins was a Tier 3 special operator in the Air Force, returned to civilian life for a while, (that’s when he gained the weight), then became a Navy Seal.

[@Aznable23]

Your comment should be getting more attention.

[@Ergeniz]

@@Aznable23 I should be getting more attention.

[@Tit4Tat92]

Exactly!

[@ScottKlajicPHD]

Where this gets me in trouble the most is social situations. Never fails. Some random person I just met at a party or whatever exclaims "my son is on the swim team and he swims like a fish! He is going to be the next Micheal Phelps!" And it takes all my internal strength to NOT respond "the probability of that is statistically insignificant. I would make sure you are encouraging him to pursue other areas where he shows aptitude."

[@Kate-it7cn]

Do you mean the “ inprobability” is statistically “ significant?”

[@ScottKlajicPHD]

@@Kate-it7cn no

[@ultimatechakra3162]

I think the lesson in this is "dont try to be the best in the world just try to be the best you can be"

[@Richie_Godsil]

I find it so repugnant when people are unwilling to be convinced by new evidence and refuse to change their minds... It's an excellent litmus test for an individual I want nothing to do with.

[@keithstewart934]

Comfortable lies will attract more people than difficult truths every time.

[@luizmonad777]

know what's more ironic, its people with lots of degree that are more prone to that.

[@brianbarrett8739]

​@@luizmonad777 Education is not indicative of intelligence.

[@hjorth3387]

@@brianbarrett8739 The correlation coefficient between PGS for educational attainment and IQ is usually between 0.3 and 0.4 in many studies.

[@jayjameson8229]

I'll bat for Gattaca here and say that within the film the context is that Vincent is skilled, but disqualified because he doesn't have the correct genetic markers. It was a persistent goal that he worked towards and was not allowed a fair shot because the society sees it as a waste to invest into a genetically inferior person. That's the inspirational aspect of Vincent, he put everything into what he did, and that's what allowed him to realize his goals. If we were to look at this as genetics, he has that component of determination but it hasn't been correctly identified by the geneticists of the film, so that's what his brother lacks.

[@baw5xc333]

Exactly. Was thinking the same.

[@TheGahta]

Its strange that this seems so hard to grasp even though the movie is rather obvious about it (he passes all tests with flying colours, simply his genetics disqualified him) Its about prejudice of assigning more weight to something statistical because its rational at its core but losing sight of the "heart" that fuels all human endeavours, his brothers will beoke before his owns, thats all there is in the most crucial moments, the will to put everything behind a cause and pull through no matter the odds.

[@jackolini]

I do like the message of Gattaca, in that you can overcome your genetics through hard work. There is definitely truth in that, especially if you are basically a normie without many handicaps (mental or physical). However, they made Hawke's character too unrealistic. While his brother was not Phelps when it comes to swimming, an inferior person with a heart condition isn't going to beat someone without that disability through "willpower" alone (basically willing to die in order to win). They should have made Hawke a normie who didn't have anything remarkable in his genetics and he overcame it through willpower, not someone with a heart condition or disability. It's just not based in reality.

[@baw5xc333]

@@jackolini I don't think he actually had a heart condition. A genetic test at birth just said he had a high probability of having one. It never implied he had it, only that he wasn't as physically adept as the elite tier, which makes sense. I don't think his eyesight was very good either. Intellectually though, I think he was gifted. And to me it makes sense he beat his brother because his brother never endured any adversity or hardship, and was never willing to sacrifice anything to win or achieve. Everyone was essentially born into a caste system where whatever your genetic markers said was your destiny. The second his brother encountered a modicum of discomfort, he gave up.

[@jackolini]

@@baw5xc333 I thought he had a heart condition because you can see he can't run without his heart rate going crazy. I think you're right though, they just implied it.

[@DantheJamaican]

Great video. I agree that genetics determine opportunities and life quality. Luck also helps/hinders too. I don't understand why people want to do vigorous exercise. I understand that light to moderate exercise is beneficial but marathons and going to the gym excessively baffles me.

[@JeanGreenLean]

Stop being lazy. 100 pushups a day and a firm handshake and you’ll make the seal teams.

[@sashavenka]

Gotta stay real hard when doing that handshake

[@adamweisshaup]

Do you know how easy 100 pushups a day is?

[@XeLYoutube]

Works

[@XeLYoutube]

​@adamweisshaup very

[@Music-gw4qf]

Ice Bath everyday

[@johnnymidnight2982]

Of course, there are the people who are genetically blessed savants. That kid in the trailer park who can play Rachmaninov on the piccolo at age 3. No lessons, just got the hang of it somehow. Or artists like Geoff Darrow and Al Columbia who can render accurate, sprawling architecture (right down to transformer boxes) with little to no reference or training. Yes, it's good you point out how Goggins was naturally athletic and just used his downtime to verify his ugly duck story. From a very early age, he had the athletic interest (I personally have zero interest in athletics) and developed muscle memory at a crucial developmental age, so it was easy for him to pick up where he left off. A lifelong dice-juggling RPG enthusiast will not have (if ever) the same results as Goggins if he picks up those weights for the first time at 28. Sure, he might not be a noodle or a creampuff anymore, but don't expect Goggins-tier gains. The Blank slate is not a thing. Most of us have benefits and detriments that last from birth until death. And some of us are just a menagerie of detriments while others never lose. NB: Those who never lose are typically helped along by others courtesy of the Matthew Effect.

[@mapledripcomics]

Geoff Darrow worked his BALLS off to get good at art. Listen to his interviews on cartoonist kayfabe

[@brianmeen2158]

I’ve never met anyone that is 100% detriments. Everyone has a few positive traits or attributes but their ideology probably keeps them from seeing it or believing it

[@opusa]

First rule of the Boomertruth Regime is, we don't talk about Boomertruth Regime.

[@Peter_Parker69]

The coping mechanisms and will to live are the same. At least he was honest unlike practically everyone else with that mindset.

[@dorn885]

1. Nobody of us knows how much of our potential is reached by reaching a perceived limit. Maybe our perception is wrong? Maybe the limit is non static and more fluid? 2. Not trying won't help. Trying alone can change the circumstances: Circumventing a problem. Use ones limitations as an advantage. 3. Its very seldom that it is really over. Setting different goals can change everything. It can be a reboot.

[@torrancemoore6152]

Heavily depends. People can succeed but only at what they're inclined to

[@chief8559]

The goggins delusion

[@aussiewanderer6304]

Another point about Goggins is that he grew up with his grandfather, who was ex-military, teaching him discipline in his youth. Similar to the physical history, people who have only been surrounded by lazy people and who have taken on those traits for the first few decades of life aren't as easily going to flip and become super disciplined. As you said, he took a break from discipline and physical activity and got fat, but reverted back to what he'd already done for decades and succeeded.

[@torrancemoore6152]

To try and extend an olive branch to the the "hard work over everything" crowd: I dont think its that people dont want to work hard so much as they dont want their effort wasted I'd also say its more advisable to work hard in what you're already predisposed to. If you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it'll live the rest of its life feeling stupid The caveat to all this is what someone's goal is versus what they're good at/gravitate towards

[@Cypher321]

People cannot stand randomness when it comes to success. They feel it robs them of something when their success is attributed to the luck of the dice - simple ego perhaps? The naivety of a just and ordered world? Whatever it is, the sooner people accept the randomness of an uncaring universe then the better off society will be.

[@Thedark.324]

Well it is ingrained in our mind from the childhood that only hardworking people can achieve success in life. That's why we love to protect this belief with our life and keep on passing this nonsense without ever questioning it.

[@brianbarrett8739]

Work ethic is something you can improve. A good work ethic will improve your odds of success however, it is not a guarantee of success. No matter how hard you work at getting good at spreading fecal matter on the wall, not too many people are looking to reward that skill monetarily or with a relationship or other association.

[@brettmmontague]

"Rocky Balboa beating off the technologically more advanced Soviet Drogo". -StarlightApe 😮 1:20

[@GnomeWagon]

Lol

[@Ращин-Рулет]

I'm 16, with a crippling stuttering problem, and I've been interested in Languages for the past 2 years, but everytime I start one. I just lose all motivation because I know that it won't really matter what languages I can speak because I won't even be able to speak any. Plus English is the most important language which is my native language also. I feel like sisyphus man. I don't know what to do...I first discovered the Blackpill when I was 14 by clicking on one of Thinking Ape's video called "The cards you were dealt" I've been in high-school for 2 years but I've only had 3 acquaintances which were barely acquaintances and these last 2 years I already know that I'm going to spend them completely alone. Smh man, can you believe it that I've already reached "truecel" Status at the age of 16? I literally can call people graycels now cuz that's the majority of people I meet in these BP discord servers. Anyways I've rambled long enough uh. If anyone could correct my grammar that would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for this mess of a essay.

[@Ращин-Рулет]

It's a incurable speech disorder. The only way it would get better is luck. Some people can lose their stutter, and some people can not. That's the brutal truth​@Nick_Feger

[@indiesigi7807]

@@Ращин-Рулет Forgive me my optimism but writing might be an option? I program all day every day, i don't talk a lot.

[@Ращин-Рулет]

My grammar is quite terrible lol​@@indiesigi7807

[@thinking-ape6483]

If you have the resources you can try seeing a speech therapist. At 16 you should not be giving up and stuttering, depending on its origin can possibly be eliminated

[@Ращин-Рулет]

​@@thinking-ape64837 years going to a speech therapist at school...nothing is working, the speech strategies they teach me aren't really doing much for me because my stuttering is manly speech blocks so I can't really do alot to fight it.

[@citramate3633]

The basket ball story with goggings reminds me of a gamedev youtuber. Talks about how hard he worked, managed to get a job in the industry and how if he can do it everyone can do it if they just put in the effort. Turns out he was also a nationally competitive ice skater in his youth. I have found that a lot of people who succeed at things typically have other achievements. They may not be name drop worthy achievements, but they always have something. I also appreciate Ronny Coleman who has regularly called himself a 'genetic freak'. Nobody is denying that he didn't work extremely hard, but he ain't denying that if you worked as hard as he did that you would get the same result.

[@Epoch-vu8cj]

ronnie is fully natty, ask him he'll tell u

[@brianbarrett8739]

Competitive Ice Skater I don't know who you are talking about (identity is irrelevant to the lesson) but, I think the only reason I'm still going is: I never had the good sense to understand that I couldn't do something. I tried a lot of stuff (at 43 I'm still trying stuff) and got kind of okay at some of it and, really good at some of it. Part of it is my curiosity (I think that is an advantage I had nothing to do with), intelligence and some grit (I stick with something and figure out if it is just difficult or if I really can't do it and I'm honest about it). Turns out all of that leads me to believe, I can do most things and handle most problems life throws at me, I may never be famous or wealthy, and it may suck real bad to get to the necessary level of competence but, I can probably do it. Having that in your head is going to make you more resilient, I guess, if not successful.

[@coweatsman]

Another aspect not considered by many of these hope merchants is that 100% of people can not be part of the 1% at the same time. Just as no matter men work on themselves 100% of men can not be part of the 20% of men women want. It's a mathematical impossibility.

[@jonathanmitchell9886]

As Arthur Schopenhauer pointed out long ago, a person does not (cannot, Schopenhauer believed) alter his fundamental essence at any point in his life. "He must play out the part which he has received," Schopenhauer wrote, "without the least deviation from the character." And most of us were assigned drab, thoroughly average parts.

[@brianmeen2158]

But Arthur is wrong, I’ve seen people make massive changes to their essence .. I’m sure you do as well if you are willing to look and have your worldview altered a bit

[@jonathanmitchell9886]

@@brianmeen2158 I'm 51 years old and I've never seen anything that contradicted Schopenhauer. People can't undergo supernatural transformations through sheer force of will. They can work harder; they can goof off less and make better use of their time. But they can't create a new identity out of thin air.

[@nisamvise1724]

What did he mean by essence? Genetic influence?

[@jonathanmitchell9886]

@@nisamvise1724 In Schopenhauer's time, the influence of genetics on human behavior wasn't understood to the extent that it is today. His definition of character gets a little complicated, but in basic terms he was talking about a predetermined nature from which all of a person's actions necessarily derive.

[@MythicMk.V]

People don't understand too that the willingness to work hard at something or the desire to do something is something you can't change. People cannot rewrite their will to where they suddenly want something they initially didn't. People cannot flip a switch to where they aren't lazy. And it's because of this that the willingness to work hard and being able to achieve something great in a certain endeavour is in of itself a special talent.

[@nightelfuser]

Talented individuals can't be replaced easily. If a prodigy accomplishes something, it's almost a certainty that only another prodigy will replicate the feat. The idea that anyone can do anything if they try hard enough is just cope. If you're not talented enough, through very hard work, you can approach that ideal condition. However, it's nothing more than a good imitation. I'm not trying to discourage anyone. By all means, go ahead. Perhaps by failing in your endeavor, you'll discover a talent you didn't know you have.

[@brianbarrett8739]

Mozart was a prodigy. I'm sure there are people that could give reasonable arguments that he is not the greatest composer ever. Even though I was a trained musician, I don't think I could substantiate an argument either way. I will argue that Steve Vai is possibly the greatest electric guitar players ever, based on his abilities with the instrument. I am definitely not his biggest fan and, I don't like a lot of his music. What he can do is unbelievable even when I don't like the sound of it. Steve Vai is not a prodigy. He struggled as one of Joe Satriani's early students. Although, I'm sure his struggles with learning to play were completely dissimilar to my struggles or those of any of my students.

[@Oldhogleg]

I've been saying all that for decades, but like you, I was typically blown off by the true believers that everyone are exactly the same. I call it a person's aptitude for different thinkings. Some people have a natural aptitude for languages, others for advanced math, still others for pattern recognition, and so on. The military used to be very aware of this and would have recruits take an aptitude test to best take advantage of their natural abilities if they had any.

[@neverbeganforme]

It’s annoying how people think everyone can be a winner, when loserdom makes the world go round. There needs to be more losers than winners; if everyone were winners then who would serve the winners? Other winners? Not how that works.

[@ranfan1820]

Yo Ape instead of thinking why don't you carry the boats?! You don't know me son.

[@ghosthunter7258]

I just woke up one day and started to lift 300 pounds of gym weights and now i look like Arnold Schwarzenegger. NEVER STOP GUYS KEEP GOING

[@ScottKlajicPHD]

Correct. Will/motivation is ALSO genetic. To quote the movie-- "No one exceeds his potential"

[@nikolaykopernik9124]

When it comes to the idea of genetic / environmental determinism, I have achieved a strange "dualism" (more like a form of doublethink, really) for pragmatic purposes mostly. Meaning that I agree with these concepts and assume them to be true to most extent, so that I do not fall for the "just world" or any other fallacies when it comes to the lives of the unfortunate, of which there are many. However, when it comes to myself, I "pretend" that it is false and I force myself to work / improve as much as I can, but within reason, of course. Reasoning behind this is a simple application of game theory: if everything is determined, then my struggle / choices do not matter and are not "mine". Alternatively, if it turns out to actually be false or only partially true, then I am missing out on things and creating huge opportunity cost. As silly as it sounds, I am haunted by the idea of wasted potential... To sum things up, this is a similar approach to the "I don't believe in God, but live my life as if he was real", which may sound familiar to some of you. Cope or not, I simply do not care at this point. It just works...

[@PaulHansen-h5y]

Just find the switch in your head that turns on the motivation. You'll feel stronger and stronger as you move forward. It'll be great, you'll see. Trust us. But if we see that you don't do this we'll go back to using the ol' shame, guilt, an blame system you've been used to. Is that what you want? Huh?

[@onlyonestarwarsfan5337]

I never found Goggins inspiring whatsoever. He seems to appeal to people who like to beat themselves with barbed wire bullwhips when they get less than 8 hours of sleep a night.

[@unknowninfinium4353]

He turned his life around. Someone that would be called sub5. Of course, he is extreme but even half of his efforts could turn life for the better. I mean, what's the point in watching videos to feel more miserable a out yourself? That I never will understand.

[@FrostyMts]

He’s a pyramid schemer, says everything that a Snapple fact or fortune cooker would tell you. Seems like most of the Ex SEALS become some book seller and motivational speaker.

[@unknowninfinium4353]

@@FrostyMts That's there. Good argument.

[@SootyPhoenix]

He's frankly a semi-suicidal idiot. He's most likely already needlessly shortened his life span by decades, because contrary to popular belief that's what constant extreme training does.

[@k-3402]

​@@unknowninfinium4353It's not that he's extreme - it's that he's anomalous. And yeah, improving your life is a good thing, but becoming some fantasy-peddling guru is never a good thing. I wonder how many BUD/S duds Goggins is responsible for?

[@Kyle-dx5kf]

I think those people who want to believe your position in life is a choice want to believe life is fair. The people who achieved great success tell themselves everyone had a chance but didn't work as hard. I do believe we don't know where our own limits are as humans so it's important to try to push them.

[@Parlimant_Strifey]

Remember. Life is all about you coping with losing, which we all do often; no matter what species you are. Life is actually about who has a lower percentage of Ls, usually dictated by rando events you don't even control.

[@LaxDux]

David Gogginga ❌ David Coppeingsb✅

[@me8751]

Me? Gongaga 😁

[@TheAngelOfTheDarkTriad]

No david isn't a Andrew tate

[@tomg8062]

Goggins consistently says he doesn't want ppl trying to be him but help them elevate themselves and lot of people have a hard time being honest with the reasons they r mostly due to choices made (at least in adulthood) by you. if delusion brings results 🎉 But I concede the "motivation" effect for some could function as rubberbanding for others. Thanks you for the content tho, respect and appreciate your work

[@reilysmith5187]

Underdog stories are very often not about ability but about reputation, strategy and funding. Basically external things which can only create the conditions for their abilities to be realized. But the abilities were always there in the first place. Moneyball, for example.

[@gottroubletactical]

I dont agree with the blank slate, but drive makes up a huge component of how you do things. I joined the military out of desperation a number of years ago with the typical bad hand in life. Single mom, i was fat, out of shape, broke the whole 9. I did my first 2 mile in basic at 29 min, could only do a few push ups, and couldnt do a sit up. By the time i left ait, i was running a low 15 min 2 mile, 60 pushups, and 70 sit ups. It is possible to improve.

[@shinobirising8196]

I am conflicted on this one. While on one hand, I do think we live in a time of incredible delusions, I also do not subscribe to the idea of fate or pre-determination. I am optimistic enough to believe in the power of individuals to affect change in their lives. To what extent? That's an infinite variable. Who can really know what any person will ever be capable of? In my own life, I have never taken kindly to other people trying to decide my limits or what I'm capable of. I do believe that we often underestimate our capacity to grow or improve.

[@alex_tucker]

I'm not sure what you're basing this idea of Goggins on, but I just finished listening to his book, and it never says "anyone can do what I do". The message is "if you hold yourself accountable and stop fearing discomfort, you can accomplish more than you might think". I don't follow him on social media, so maybe he gets into the "anyone can do it" ideology on there, but his book doesn't say that or even imply it. Otherwise, good video.

[@CheeseOfMasters]

Seems to me the people here believe in determinism to justify their failure to achieve their goals. Some of the commenters here seem to believe they're motivation and willpower is genetically determined without understanding what it means to push their limits or build habits.

[@alex_tucker]

The more I learn about psychology the more it seems motivation and willpower have little to do with success. ​@@CheeseOfMasters

[@brettmmontague]

How can you prove that?

[@alex_tucker]

@@brettmmontague prove what? read the book and disagree if you feel like it

[@brianmeen2158]

Exactly! Goggins has never claimed to want people to become navy seals lol

[@Brasslegs]

Before I even watch this masterpiece I need a meal first

[@thelasttellurian]

I always had a gift for computers and managed to become a CTO of a small company. I always thought everyone could become a CTO if they really wanted. It's just was a way to rationalize why I deserved what I got and others don't. I think we evolved into finding reasons to ignore other people suffering.

[@forrestorange]

The only thing I'd say as an argument against is how do you know your limits or that you're not an exception if you don't try?

[@cristhian900]

Eminem is the classic underdog story… a white guy constantly being passed over for the color of his skin despite his lyrical skills. Em making it big was just a matter of time since he always possessed and honed his skills. That’s inspirational. Someone who never rhymed a single rhyme in their lives is never going to make it to the same level as someone like Eminem. A goal is only worth pursuing if you have and advantage and are more likely to succeed at accomplishing that goal compared to your peers. 9 times out of 10 you’re not gonna get the results you desire.

[@OhioDan]

Ideology is a powerful drug. People often just don't want to see the inconsistencies.

[@kristenheacock3427]

There is another aspect of the movie GATTACA, and that is how much an individual should trust science and technology. I think a question is posed throughout the film, “was the genetic testing correct? Or is it used as a means of control?”

[@greenpoolball5136]

I think one interesting case of a person who is an exception to a degree is clayton chapman, he's infamous in the fighting game community. Besides that my focus I'd share is he has been sick ever since he was in his early teens. He has no sports history and genetic history im not sure of but he does suffer from low testosterone and a multitude of illnesses, his body is fit from doing band training and other work outs because he didnt want to die and live as a healthy person but despite that he is still sick to this day. His doctors don't know and can't figure out his health problems. You can find him on here if you are interested.

[@Ergeniz]

There are no 'exceptions'. Whatever he achieved was within the capabilities provided to him by his genetic potential. He didn't 'exceed' anything.

[@Jericho396]

Evolution does not stop at the neck. Effort and motivation are not to be discounted, but even these have limits.

[@NelsonStJames]

As a sociologist once said, “ the same action under different conditions can yield different results”. The most realistic thing about Gattica for me is that even if we were able to not only prevent genetic defects, but to endow progeny with desirable qualities you would have idiotic parents who would choose to have children with disadvantages.

[@nightfangs2910]

The playing field of life has never been fair and equal no amount of determination will change that, some people in the world are greatly advantaged from birth, its very true, it is simply delusional to think anyone can do virtually anything

[@OhioDan]

The fact that so many people believe it anyway is indeed a problem.

[@52down]

My coworker got into spirituality, mind programming, whatever you can name it. Also, he continuously watch vids about passive income, investments, self improvement, happiness. He's got really into it and is presenting these views to other people that everything is inside our heads. I can agree, but there are some limitations beyond your control. You can't control your height or bone structure. I keep telling him that everybody has this sort of default settings inside their head. Even the toddlers are different and react differently to the same objects, faces, sounds, surrounding conditions. He basically says everybody is a clear paper sheet but he seems to overlook some sheets are white, some of them are bright red, some are yellow and some are black. What's more funny, he himself said numerous times his younger son differs from the older not just in terms of physique, but he acts differently even thou he is raising him basically in the same environment.

[@jonredgreen]

Just described every argument I've had in my life. Glad he admitted to it.

[@TOCC50]

Never heard of him

[@progamerzach1]

Your life success and failures is pretty much 100% determined by genetics and environment, even if we succeed it's never truly earned because it would have been impossible to succeed if you weren't born with the right genetic and environmental circumstances, to which both of these traits are beyond your control. It's just a fact that some people are born with greater physical and mental potential, for example Usain Bolt was invincible when it came to raw speed due to his natural physical talent of having longer leg strides during his sprints, and some others may have talent but could be born in an environment that doesn't allow their talent to flourish. We must be realistic in everything we do, although one thing I respect about David Goggins is that he will push himself to his absolute limits, which is important in finding out what's possible and impossible, and his message can be helpful to those who are naively pessimistic and under-estimate themselves. Still though, we cannot overcome the laws of the universe but instead only obey it, so it's important we must not over-estimate or under-estimate ourselves.

[@thijsjong]

Looking back both my failures and successes were 100% luck. I seized oppertunities. But if those oppertunities were absent. I would have had no chance at all. Choice is an illusion. There is no free will. I keep making choices without free will because I dont let the absence of it permeate my psychology.

[@billyb4790]

side note: I don't know why anyone would follow Goggins. All he talks about is how miserable he is because he works so hard to achieve his goals. There's no point in being miserable that way. You can just sit on the couch and be miserable with far less effort. Seems like a joke to me.

[@ABenAbides]

I don't think that society loses anything by people striving to be more: I think that ideally people should push themselves as far as they can physically and intellectually, and THEN they should settle into where they can reasonably perform. I think the issue is that we try to cap people's potential before they've even attempted to explore it. Let them explore their potential (particularly when they're young) and THEN what is realistic for them can actually be considered. Again my issue is telling people how far they can go before they've even attempted anything: let them fail at trying to be great so that they can appreciate what they can do without regrets.

[@konstantin3374]

Oh dear, society doesn't loose anything, it only profits from people striving to be more while they burn out as a fuel in this humanity machine, nameless and forgotten as soon as they kick the bucket.

[@jonredgreen]

These are such good points. Wow Goggins is full of shit, it's super depressing to see this. It's obviously true.

[@RandomMusicWorks]

BP is reality. It will always come to collect.

[@jonredgreen]

@@RandomMusicWorks What does BP mean? I still can't believe I didn't think to ask the obvious question, what was his athletic ability prior to getting out of shape. Just amazing I missed that.

[@RandomMusicWorks]

@@jonredgreen Bl@ck Pill, i recommend watching "rehab room" he talks about goggins too

[@Ergeniz]

@@jonredgreen Black pill.

[@Excalibur2]

I think most people lean towards believing in a world they wish were true. They want to believe life has a greater meaning and that there is an afterlife, they want to believe that it's fair and just, they want to believe that everyone else is like them and a good person. The harsh reality is that, even in our pursuit to make it all true, it isn't. I have to be careful with how I say this, but I think this belief is why so many criminal apologists exist and people who want to allow outsiders in. Enabling and being a "nice person" who never is "mean" to them is why things are getting worse. Nobody wants to ever say no to anyone or hurt anyone's feelings. I have been coming to the realization that we don't have any sense of community anymore: I don't know or care about anyone outside my family. I heard some banging noise earlier and thought, I hope if it's the neighbors in a scuffle with an 'outsider' they do it quietly. I don't know anyone nearby, and don't really care about what happens to them, and I won't defend them even if it's the "right thing" to do. It makes me think that within a generation or two, civilization as we know it will disappear. Maybe this was destined to always happen?

[@mick21778]

Some people have the potential of Einstein, but find what they seek being a janitor. Don't forget, nature is a far better engineer than any human is likely to be for a while yet. Nature ensures the exception to all bitter truths, we would be long gone otherwise.

[@SamVueti]

I view Devon Rodriguez (the artist) in a similar fashion. I could get personalized coaching from him. Spend hours per day trying to hone my craft. Yet 100 years from now, I guarantee I would still have nowhere near the artistic talent and skill that he has.

[@tbcstuff3634]

Of course we are one to one interchangable, I could played just as well as Shaq in post if I just tried harder.

[@anindividual3889]

Great video. I've seen this so many times growing up. These stupid teachers in my school thinking that anyone and everyone should be an athlete. They could not conceive of a world where different people might have different abilities and interests. These type of people are so exhausting. I for one like to find old pieces of farm equipment or old pickup trucks and get them running. I enjoy this activity, but I realize that not everyone does. I don't push others into liking my chosen activity. I could care less if you would rather play football or whatever. This whole one size fits all philosophy doesn't map onto reality very well to say the least.

[@markkuuss]

Most often ignorance is bliss. Trying is better than not trying.

[@s.c.johnson2484]

To me, this is the underlying source of modern American division. We talk about freedom and liberty and such 24/7 in Merica but then proceed to tell everyone else what is right and wrong, good and bad, Left and Right, etc. People are irrational and believe wacky stuff but the contentiousness comes with the "let me tell you why and where you are wrong". Granted, people do not know how to engage in civil discourse and debate but.... there are times when you just have to let people believe what they want to believe. I know Goggins is full of it, I've read his books and see where he skips over very important life details but.... I get pumped when I hear his voice. Why? I don't know but I get alot of work done when I am listening. As people tell me: "Everything doesn't require an explanation. Just let it be and enjoy life". Else I would talk about 1900s Eugenics Movement 24/7

[@sashavenka]

STAY HARDDD NEVER GET UP !!!!

[@rightcheer5096]

As a born Overdog, I approve this message.

[@Ergeniz]

As a born Innerdog, I also approve it.

[@biomez8281]

men need to hear this

[@gabe2045]

I am apart of those who have been crushed! Hope that inspires everyone!

[@donaldfenner6891]

It was scary enough to listen to someone with whom I share opinions on all things, by the looks of it. Now I see I have the exact same conversations as you do, as well 💦💦 It is hard to control myself, in these conversations, when people draw lines between physical\mental, between "a condition"\without a condition. They are imaginary lines. In reality, these attributes of people are on a spectrum. They'd agree if we talked about height, but the things which are not obvious from the start, not easily measurable, more subtle in their impact, they fail to acknowledge. And they fail to acknowledge that a person is a sum of all of those attributes.