The Unreleased Secrets of Vanilla WoW Episode #3

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In this video, we cover more cut/unreleased content from vanilla WoW, primarily from the .5.3 alpha project! Big thanks to Grender and the alpha project team for helping make this happen.
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Credits/References:
TurtleWoW Survival trailer by Baslobaev: • Turtle WoW - Survival ...
Music
Brink of Time by Orchestral Fantasy: • Chrono Trigger - Brink...
Wii Shop Unused version: • Main Theme (Unused Ver...
BTDD Stage 01: • Video
Are We Alone by Daniel James Taylor: • Factorio OST #4 - Are ...
Ironforge: • Ironforge General Music

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[@Zaudejis]

He told you so.

[@caremond2718]

love your content, your videos got me to start playing classic and my dwarf finally got herod's helm and i didn't know he dropped the same helm you're wearing (appearance wise haha) ty for making these videos

[@Mysterion12]

that factorio music slaps btw

[@F0nkyNinja]

There's a server called Alpha Project where you can view alpha videos/screenshots and play on an alpha private server.

[@zulugrub]

they already have pitch black dudgeon with light mechanic, example is last boss (warden) from legion and the cavers where you must hold the orb to kill mobs

[@ebergar9859]

7:30 - this is not a missing king Magni statue. This is a missing statue of king Modimus Anvilmar, last High King of all dwarves. Starting dwarf town is named after him.

[@madseasonshow]

Huh, Today I learned. Good catch

[@AurumKHK]

@@madseasonshow I'd also say the statue is *maybe* a reference (or inspired by) the entrance to the dwarf city in Everquest, Kaladim. I think this is possible since so many of the WoW devs were EQ players and they both share design elements.

[@krakaneti]

​@@madseasonshowSomeone corrected you on this count about five years ago in your patch by patch coverage of Old Ironforge. I just remember that for some reason.

[@Wheeljack678]

You're making the OG Red Shirt proud by spewing out interesting facts like that.

[@wakkadakka9192]

6:05 I do remember that "Language skill" was also a thing that you had to level up, but this mechanics was removed quite fast. Today from start your character have 300 in "Language" skill by default, in both languages that he can speak (depends on race and fraction) But back then you started with only your native language, and second one was 1/300. How it worked: Let's say you start as Night Elf, two languages are available for you "darnassian" and "common". The "darnassian" is already 300 as it is your native, while the "common" is 1/300 So when you type in chat you can choose what lang to use with command /darnassian or /common. When you speak on darnassian only other Night Elves will understand you, while Humans Dwarves and Gnomes will not. What do they see when you speak on native darnassian? Same gibberish that players see when enemy fraction speaks, random letters. That means that on start you was locked to party only with your race. To "learn" second language you had actually type on it in chat more and more, the more words you typed the higher skill goes, until you reach 300. And while you leveling the skill the sentences you type sometimes had randoms mistakes. It was interesting idea and funny feature for a roleplay but was cut pretty fast, as new players simply made macros and spam it to learn common lang in couple mins. And although now you start with "common" lang for chat by default (or "orcish" for the horde), you can still change the lang you type with same commands (like /darnassian) and other races who don't know it wouldn't understand you.

[@m0002856]

Am I crazy for thinking the original idea sounds cool AF? LOL Something about accidentally having typos in your chat because you're not proficient in the other languages yet sounds really interesting to me, but the implementation of just needing to type words in chat in that language definitely needed refinement.

[@Tobez]

So much craziness in the world right now. Madseasonshow is a massive breath of fresh air. Much love bro

[@madseasonshow]

There are lots of channels I follow that serve as my "port in the storm". I want to make my channel the same for others

[@CroneLife1]

@@madseasonshow , well, you're doing it. Much appreciation to you. Sure hoping the latest plushie goes through - he's a little cutie. :)

[@TreesPlease42]

Thank you 🙏 ​@@madseasonshow

[@beausmith2051]

I was the lone Diablo guy in my group of friends that were all WoW players. They always tried to get me to convert and after watching your vids I really wish I had listened. Haven’t played a min of WoW but have watched all your videos. Keep it coming MadSeason!

[@dylanfk5445]

I didn’t even watch the video yet and it’s already a banger

[@ToreOnYouTube]

💯

[@phantom0456]

It’s a real CHEEX-CLAPPUR!!!

[@cthulhu_original]

That’s stupid

[@MycketTuff]

Groupie

[@Wallcraft_Official]

Fun fact: The dwarf mage is actually hardcoded to be disallowed in the vanilla client as a "hackfix". You cannot simply make a Dwarf Mage despite enabling it serverside; it requires a client hack to actually remove this bandaid fix, or some bizarre methods (such as swapping Warlock and Mage class enumerations in the client so that Dwarf Warlock is disabled instead).

[@tenaciousr]

Thank you for the trip down memory lane. I remember playing a dwarf mage in alpha and being really sad when the option was removed.

[@thesm1l3y]

The Torch and Campfire mechanic is literally how you use Torches in Dark Souls II XD

[@guillaumedarcoit7371]

11:46 so glad to hear you mention Turtle WoW, the absolute best classic plus server out there. Finally it's starting to get proper recognition.

[@OctoberRust]

If I'm remembering correctly, the old game manual also had Plainsrunning for Tauren instead of the eventual Kodo mounts.

[@Mizzou58]

Yeah, it made reference to their size and how they were too big for a mount. Or something like that

[@MycketTuff]

Yes, back then kodo rode on you

[@spacejunk2186]

"Dorf mages"

[@Snithers]

Village Mages?

[@IndicatedGoodLife]

Dorf Matratzen

[@dimitriosderas7581]

Dwarf* i guess 😂

[@tehfuqizg0inon588]

*Dork* because without magick, mages are just frail needs

[@jordanfirecracker4653]

I know so much wow lore for someone whose never played the game

[@dontblockthebox]

I haven’t played since like 2010 but I still keep up lol

[@Bruce.t.thomas]

Glad to see you enjoying making WoW videos again and getting uploads so often.

[@cirenotloh5662]

Bruh, after a year of watching your videos I finally figured it out - Nate from The Office. You sound like Nate.

[@SplatastictheRealOne]

One of those things that do make you question, why couldn't they do player housing now? Using Brawl'gar arena as an example of a instanced area not restricted by player or group, and is used by all. To also see every, in the area couldn't they add a building where you can see everyone buying their homes and it being a separate zone map with crops, herbs, nodes, or mobs to skin? Would love to be able to hang up my armor on a stand or shelf and sit down with a virtual spouse or friend, and just chill with the hearth making it's usual sound. Or instruments to play. Still want the option to lean on walls if you go afk near one, or just to do it for immersion. Like being bored from waiting.

[@landsraad9745]

they dont want players hiding away in their "garrisons"

[@ayuvir]

We're never getting a game like classic WoW again. Even the new Classic wow isn't the same thing. I remember being hyped to play when classic was announced, jumped in two weeks late and people were already min maxxing. Org had people selling SM boosts with mages, some teams were selling boosts through raids, bots were everywhere in the barrens and even the barrens chat was more "for the memes" than actually people trying to kill time while walking from one place to the next. A mate of mine even started telling me how to level my class...I just wanted to level prot warrior. There's never going to be something like vanilla wow, a game made by people who were making all of these plans for their jank, cobbled together little project that was meant to bump shoulders with everquest. Like survival profession would've been the shit if they managed to implement it right. It's sad really, the closest thing we ever got was Guild Wars 2 but that game is just so weird, I should love it but I just can't.

[@nixn6412]

This. This is the MadSeason I love.

[@causticsoda9678]

You thought I wouldn't catch music from Factorio in my Classic WoW video?

[@yolth]

It's in pretty much all of his videos.

[@legacy9171]

Finally someone else mentions the spell skills. When I first played WoW the undead could speak common and I could rank up in spells. People have always told me I’m not remembering correctly. I must have played the beta somehow but my parents beta tested UO and EQ so it’s possible

[@SSJ4Lunchbox]

Your taste in video game music is impeccable, and it makes these videos even more enjoyable to watch.

[@multiversejc]

The magic skill, the survival profession, the torches. Bruh…. Love these. 💯

[@lyssandrefinge4721]

@madseasonshow i love how you use FF6, Chrono trigger and other SNES games music in your videos. These RPGs were from my childhood. The same childhood than WoW. So they hit me with the same nostalgia. May all the Love of the World be with you Madseason. And may God give you best in this life and in the other

[@PSXman9]

i miss WoW so much when i watch your videos.

[@FrostDrift69]

then come back nothing is stopping you but excuses lol

[@Thrillkilled]

@@FrostDrift69time commitment?

[@Infernoblade1010]

Just what I needed! Love your content!

[@bronnerx5991]

I came across your videos after the recent unrelenting ads for the upcoming WoW add on… which gave me some nostalgia to see how WoW has been doing after all this time. I dropped out of WoW after the first add on… I know “what a casual!” In any case, thanks for your videos breaking down all the massive changes to what WoW was, and it looks like I got out of the game at a good time. I do miss what this game was in vanilla & I would say even in to what it remained pre-cataclysm, even if I wish they brought some QOL tools (some shared progress with factions between characters, etc.) and many of these pieces of unfinished content you’ve highlighted in these videos that came after. No matter what they could do with vanilla WoW I doubt they could ever bring back the Community it had in vanilla days. Though at times I do wish vanilla+ could be redeveloped to be a more persistent sandbox in that Original+ state to explore again, ideally without any of the monetization and daily/weekly task craziness themes of todays game titles. I’m sure it’s a pipe dream, but with Microsoft involvement I’d love to see a cross platform option to reach a new audience for vanilla.

[@cattrucker8257]

That music choice is like a greatest-hits tour of varied game soundtracks. Slight correction, though it's just for lore nerds of course: the Ironforge entrance statue isn't of Magni or any Bronzebeards even, it's High King Anvilmar, the last ruler of all dwarves before they split up into Ironforge, Grim Batol and Wildhammer. That future WoD episode is going to be so painful to watch in a what-could-have-been sense. I always felt WoD had like half an expansion more still left in it and coulda been great.

[@heartsickruben]

This might sound strange but your voice really enhances YOUR videos. Feels like I'm sitting next to my buddy on the couch at 2 am

[@Egg_of_the_king6]

Hey Mads, I just wanted to thank you for persevering in doing what you love for so many years and keeping your passion going! Your videos got me through some rough times I can't thank you enough for making these. Love from Croatia!

[@Axelander.95]

That Chrono Trigger soundtrack at the beginning.. is it possible that you can convey curiosity, sadness and melancholy in every video??

[@faveli6369]

flamewalkers gauntlets. helm of endless rage, dtp, hive defilers, onslaught and cant see the boots but guessing chromatic

[@caremond2718]

just started dinner and this banger shows up ty madseason :D

[@madseasonshow]

enjoy my main man

[@mjedzi1028]

Awesome job as always Mad! Always loved the secrets of vanilla episodes!

[@Followtheham]

Scary zones+dungeons would be hella cool

[@Trinax11]

Its amazing to see how many things turtle wow server made real on their server.

[@ironpickX]

Love you bro I’ll always cherish these videos ❤

[@GrizzlyAmish]

I would LOVE for Alpha Ironforge to come to retail. Cities should be more grandiose. Have multiple profession trainers in multiple locations if needed.

[@georgeofkunstatandpodebrad8147]

7:34 It's not Magni's statue. It's Modimus Anvilmar.

[@Caine1996]

It’s a good day when Madseason posts

[@Jarppispecial]

Snes Battletoads vs Double Dragon song playing on the background!! best Snes game soundtracks ever with Donkey kong country !

[@Watthead80]

The darkness is a cool concept, could've had a helm that engineers could make/use that acted like NVGs

[@cytoid7062]

Undermine is rumored to be the first patch raid tier in Retail, in TWW. There's a data minted item with "goblin_raid" attached to it.

[@rojoajax4441]

These videos make me want to play WoW and factorio at the same time. Basically, background music is masterfully picked and mixed.

[@eligibbs1888]

Woohoo! Thanks for the video, brother

[@wenchinatrenchcoat8459]

Excellent journalism about a 20 year old video game :D

[@kevino2435]

NEW MADSEASON PREPARE THE FOOD AND PERFECT LOUNGING LOCATION

[@dimosf4117]

Your videos are always a joy to watch. This series is very interesting, as well! I'm intrigued to see what models they would use if they decided to finally finish the old scrapped zones in vanilla plus, how it would match the rest of the aesthetic etc. (Would they create new "vintage" pieces!?) Gnome in 0:47 looks straight outta South Park. Keep them coming! Peace out!

[@DRAGONSCASTLEPRODUCTIONS]

So many scrapped things seem so cool

[@chiefd9111]

I’ve never played WOW but thanks to this channel, it’s my favorite game

[@infestedq]

Ohh god magic skill. I remember that in Everquest, sitting around the main city casting a single spell over and over for hours watching it fizzle.

[@Alekzbizkit]

So happy the wow content is back. Always watched it during university, feels like the universe is in balance. In some weird corner of my brain it is very comforting to know that the vendors in stormwind are on their daily sales run or that the dragons are hovering around onyxias lair. Your content reminds me of this. Thanks.

[@HarbingerofHyol940]

First time I've ever used the KZbin feedback system and gave you the best rating possible!!! ❤

[@Aztiren]

I know I’m gonna love the video before I even watch it. I put it on, hear Chrono trigger and I was right, I’m gonna love the video

[@tomdavenport1768]

It's so interesting. Seeing what might have been. The survival profession and dark enough to actually need a torch to see, so cool. Classic WoW survival mode. Some serious money to be made by blizzard here.

[@mrphysics2625]

I actually like that OG Talent idea. They should have just brought that out for Season of Discovery and called it a day. Thats essentially what they were going for with this clusterfuck of a season anyway.

[@Himitsu_Murasaki]

I absolutely adore your light jabs at Horde players :D

[@gtownboi3877]

I always like the video before i watch it when it comes to madseasonshow

[@sh4dowist920]

Love these videos! There were some things I didn't know 😁

[@alessandrosaltarin9990]

Turtle wow mentioned

[@wyatt5542]

Love your videos. You're my favorite World of Warcraft content.

[@808Joshh]

lol omg dude that stuffed toy at the end is cute af!!!

[@rathenn6959]

Seriously tempted to get back into WoW classic for a HC or SoD run... Not played since the disaster that was VRA first couple of raid tiers

[@Kavou]

Turtle WoW used a lot of these assets plus their own to make Gnomeregan a capital City.

[@CatDad09]

I always have to stop and check the upload date of these new Madseason videos. It is refreshing to hear you talk about things you enjoy in the game, rather than rant your frustrations.

[@wjking5219]

Great viewing as always!

[@nicholas_muccini_coach]

I FUCKING love turtlewow. i play this game 21 hours a day with 2 hours to sleep and even when i do sleep i wake up SHAKING in a cold sweat wanting to play turtlewow. im PHYSICALLY ill when im not playing turtlewow. this is what i call DEDICATION!!

[@MycketTuff]

Sounds like mom put you up in a nice basement bro

[@nicholas_muccini_coach]

@@MycketTuff Hell yeah brother!

[@carlloggins1012]

I’m sick of Turtlewow’s marketing firm crapping up every comment section related to WoW.

[@manoro420]

The mild Horde slander is just chef's kiss

[@yeast7485]

some models still use the old animations like seen in this patch, some defias bandits, pirates, npcs in old hillsbrad foothills. The ones that dont use the standard human male/female model

[@tippysvids]

"All of the beautiful people were on the Alliance, not just in real life", that was so subtle I almost missed it. 😂😂

[@jskeet2013]

legit GOAT of story telling, thank you for another great one!

[@Sonichero151]

"Gentlemen..... we're home....."

[@tehjamerz]

Certified Chrono Trigger moments

[@madseasonshow]

Doing another playthrough right now :D

[@poss420]

@@madseasonshow great taste my guy

[@cattrucker8257]

Perfectly fitting for the subject matter of the video too, what with exploring across time and all.

[@EJ_Red]

That that game is great

[@Sistik123]

The OG manual also said you would lose EXP on death, which was changed lol

[@JustFamilyPlaytime]

Always excited to see a madseason video - but never want to SOUND excited.

[@legendofmira4759]

Outland wasn't going to be the first expansion. It was going to be the south seas, but they didn't have room on the world map for it, so they went with outland as it could be on its own map. The new race starting zones in bc are also on that map in their own areas

[@somekindamazingstuff]

My dad was an old school mmo player played daoc , ultima etc and I remember being around 7 years old when vanilla wow beta came out. I remember ironforge being 2 stories in the beta and growing up playing wow people always thought I was crazy making something up. I thought I had dreamed it or was just a foggy memory lol

[@GrenderG]

Thank you for spreading the word about The Alpha Project! ☺️

[@Tysler]

I love madseason videos. I just started watching but I crave the “fare well for now”

[@JakobusMaximus]

Cooridors of time, innit? Always the best music.

[@user-fv7jd4xj5n]

3:55 I can't wait to see what will happen when Corpsegrinder finds out about the... vulperas.

[@roccoroc9073]

love alpha content and a whole video dedicated to differences is great! thanks for sharing!

[@Th4EvilH4nd]

Hey madseason, you ever think about making a music history channel? I’d for sure listen to some Alice In Chains unknown secrets in that monotone voice.

[@kevinoneil5120]

I never knew torches were originally planned! Wish they'd followed through 🔥

[@willtidey9720]

The torches mechanic could bring a lot of spice to classic!

[@Ghostcharm]

man i just finished a chrono trigger playthrough and thought i was tweaking in the opening

[@WiddlyScudz]

Thanks for the video! Always makes me miss the old days.

[@Barret161]

@madseasonshow What's your thoughts of Turtle WoW 2?

[@Digital-Scriptorium]

Grender is a god amongst men...

[@roo2127]

I remember when the level cap was 40 and the sentry totem for shamans was bugged and you could jump off cliffs and use it to stop you in the air. Classic was really funy with all the oddities that were in the game initally.

[@freshfrij0les]

when was the level cap 40

[@roo2127]

@freshfrij0les very early on when the game released.

[@simulki7108]

Happiness is real when Mad is releasing!!

[@blueskadoo1402]

That torch part was also an April fools joke blizzard released about an instance as big as BRD but would require players to have a light source just to navigate it.

[@WretchedRedoran]

YOOO! MadSeason got thr Boot .Dev sponsorship! I saw him talking about how it looked cooler a little while ago in one of his react videos.

[@stevehitman]

My evening just got a lot better! 😊

[@ClashingwithAdagon]

I am commenting after the first 10 seconds because that intro always hits me hard.

[@IH8KWEERZ8070]

A lot of these removed race + class combinations are in turtle wow

[@supernovahm1178]

I vaguely remember there being campfires in the game, weren't there? I was only very very little when I started so I may have just made it up.

[@Baldbabayaga]

That survival prof seems cool 😢

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Oh nice, so you did get that sponsor. Thanks for the vid, love ya. Edit: so happy the plush's back again, instant order on that one. I'll convince him to tank eventually :D

[@Big_Boney]

Can't wait to see my mini chad season, great video like always! This one got me very nostalgic 😌

[@MrFleit]

Wasn't Gnomeregan also planed as a city? Then it would make more sense that the other direction of the tram would go there.