The Unreleased Secrets of Vanilla WoW Episode #2

Going over some more content that was intended for Vanilla WoW, but were cut due to one reason or another. Watch episode #1 here: • The Unreleased Secrets...
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Old outland footage by mw2ftl: • WoW - Old Outland 1.12.1
Dragon isles footage by dodgekebaab: • The Dragon isles - Wor...
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[@madseasonshow]

Followup to that vanilla exploration I posted not too long ago: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6DOeouJisp9b7c I'm in an exploration mood, so will probably do more of that soon. ✅Become a channel member for perks, such as early access to most of my videos(and ad-free): kzbin.info/door/Ovz3kkYZtCTeXKdiuMG8egjoin ✅Follow next video progress on Twitter: twitter.com/madseason_ ✅Watch me stream at twitch.tv/madseasonshow

[@chrisc7110]

We have mt hyjal, kara crypts dungeon, custom kara raid, sw vaults dungeon, and a new tier 4 raid coming soon on turtle wow vanilla private server and it would be AMAZING if you'd join our super chill naxx guild. I'm a GM "Nautilusk" and it would make my life if you joined even for a day. But either way I'm still a big fan season and i thank you for giving me my wow fix when i was doing chemo and was too sick to play wow. And i lived and am still supporting you brother. Cheers!

[@stoves5877]

so way back in Vanilla one of my favorite videos was an exploration video called WoW - Exploration the Movie, on Warcraft movies ( Kids this was BEFORE youtube existed) where the guy went to all the locked stuff like AQ, Developers Island, Outlands, and Designer Island . Seeing all the cool potential this game had was my favorite thing back then. Thank you for brining back those memories.

[@KingMonkeyMon]

so one reason why I will never try out Classic Wow is Ive notice they are doing Classic Cata Cata was pretty much the beginning of the end for Wow with how everything in Azeroth got revamp and many Quests and Legendarys including Class Quest went bye bye so what does this mean by 2040 there will be Classic BoA or something.

[@stoves5877]

@@KingMonkeyMon so you can still play classic WoW without Cata. They run 2 versions of Classic, Vanilla Classic, and then Classic Expansion which is gong through all the expansions.

[@Karifax]

also here was a Black Morass dungeon in vanilla wow, hope you will include it in the next video!

[@unholyallen9572]

The thumbnail is straight out of a nightmare. I love the vibes and the "primitive" design of Vanilla and its zones.

[@AstralWalker33]

The game had a edgy, twisted soul at times. Now it's just too cartoony.

[@EnderGoku9001]

looks like morrowind tbh

[@Wyglafff]

Kinda looks like Xen from Half Life

[@ChamonixHouse884]

@@Wyglafffbeat me too it

[@Whitemale112]

It was surreal discovering things like old outland and getting under stormwind and stuff, especially as a kid. Having some player tell you "hey stand here and jump here" and all of the sudden you're in some secret place the devs never intended you to find was always a trip. The smiley face under karazhan was my favorite one

[@Zeldarulah]

Even in Cataclysm in Org they had that hidden tomb inside the pillar that you could get to by getting out of bounds and flying up

[@BornRemaining]

FIGHT CLUB! I remember that I never heard anyone ever talk about it outside of that spot. I was just brought there w/ my raid group, saw the green smiley face, raid lead didn't even start reciting the rules before I got the reference. Fun spot to duel.

[@imoffendedthatyouareoffended]

Going to gm island taking hours trying to get in the right spot to make it. Great times.

[@Johnson217]

Karazhan crypts was super cool and terrifying. I miss the days when you could explore unused assets while in game.

[@FrozenZerg]

Yeah under Stormwind blown my mind, it made me explore so much content where we were not allowed to go.

[@Kreceir]

''The king of BJ's Yogg Saron'' Not even a minute in and we already starting of strong lmao.

[@JustynHill-Hand]

Gimme some of dat sloppy yoggy

[@mauree1618]

made me do the auditory equivalent of a double look, lmao.

[@velmux]

There's plenty I could talk about, but there's one that hardly gets mentioned at all: In Stonetalon Mountains, you can jump " out of bounds" at the Talon Den. Once done, you can make your way south along the edges/high mountain tops. Eventually you'll find a decently sized area with Horde and Alliance catapults. Assuming some sort of battle scene was supposed to take place there. Some area's talked about a little more often: - The pirate islands south of Tanaris - The cave and the small Tauren farm on the edge of Kalimdor (beyond Silithus and AQ) - The Ironforge Airfield & the hidden Dwarf farms somewhat next to it towards Wetlands (funny sign there showing directions) - The area known as Twilight Highlands in Cataclysm is another unnamed zone in Classic. You can reach it from Redridge Mountains and jumping over a Gnoll cave and some hills/mountains In the Northeast part of the zone. I can go on for a while, but ah well, don't think KZbin is all that fit for longer comments such as this one.

[@Seraphim262]

Please, feel free to continue.

[@livelikeasuicide4837]

But this is about cut content, Not just some flavor scenery of some flightpaths.. e.g. stonetalon nightelf ruins, dancing Troll Village or the If airfield

[@Mitchball91]

If I recall correctly there is a small "village" up in the north where the blood elves should live if you take the outside path by swimming around from undead starter area or hinterlands. Basically if my memory serves me right it was one of those gateway bridges with a tower, kind of like the 4 emerald dream portals. And I think I remember there also being a small house along the shore down southwest from wetlands.

[@wtbskilllololo]

Oceanmane Village is a small coastal tauren settlement found on the most southwest coast of Kalimdor, near Silithus. It was inhabited by the Oceanmane, but they left long ago. After the Fourth War, Rexxar and Zekhan passed by the village and entered Andrestrasz's lair, and the mok'nathal asked the dragon why he stayed in the village. Andre responded that he couldn't return to his flight until his old Oceanmane friend returned from his hunt, even though it was clear that the tauren brave wouldn't return. Zekhan promised Andre to visit him soon. From WoWPedia.

[@Conturnal]

The knocking at 8:26 spooked the shit out of me, because I was tidying around the house with wireless headphones on.

[@rundown132]

knocking sounds on videos should be banned lol they're so unsettling

[@orunenf5533]

Bro same here I panicked... I grabbed the gun and everything (ptsd things).. only thing that calmed me back down was my dogs not reacting at all lol

[@Nookiezilla]

@@orunenf5533 "I grabbed the gun and everything" Americans in a nutshell. I wish it weren't so sad.

[@Animefreak1908]

Fun fact you can get ported to "Old Ironforge" with the Gnomeregan trinket in SOD.

[@madseasonshow]

Very cool. I actually have that trinket but didn't get old ironforge yet

[@GamingShortsYoutube]

@@madseasonshow Old IF has a few ways in, gnomes can get in via the IF bank with slow fall (I actually have an old video on my channel for this), otherwise I remember you could duel in certain spots in IF, and if you got polymorphed near a furnace outside of the old IF door near the tunnel heading to common district, it would give you a loading screen and tp you in.

[@Animefreak1908]

@@madseasonshow I have been using it on and off 1-2x a day since I got it. Really nice Trinket and was even usefull for some FP gathering and such.

[@alexanderhenderson2594]

Yeah, Pirate Software talked about the deadmines stuff as that is an area the devs used for testing because it was in an instance so it would let them see things in the live game without affecting the world. Another area you might consider is the area behind Tyr's Hand that would eventually be used as the Death Knight starting area, New Hearthglen. If they ever wanted a full on Scarlet raid that area would be perfect.

[@EJ_Red]

Scarlet raid let's go! The Scarlet Crusade always had some cool lore and backstory for a WoW-only faction, would love to see it in full glory as a raid

[@ThatPunchKid]

I could listen to you talk about this stuff all day

[@selwrynn6702]

Another one you might consider mentioning is Jaedenar in Felwood it's an entirely unique cave that was planned to be a dungeon early on, eventually it was simply turned into a cave with a few quests inside but if they're going in a Classic+ direction it would be cool to see it become a dungeon properly and just have those quests become dungeon quests. Also it doesn't really matter but Magni before his Azerite addiction was working with us on Argus during the last patch of Legion iirc.

[@Seraphim262]

In classic we had a guild event over the whole world with the finale at the end of the cave. We mages had a duel who will get Atiesh. Was really cool. Shoutout to the old VKB guard.

[@evac400]

Coming from the Warcraft 3 perspective, Dalaran would be a great hub full of opportunities. In W3 you spent so much time there: Sieging it with the Undead, summoning Archimondr, stopping Illidans spell with the Eye of Sargaras, 2 Missions in the blood elf campaign in the ruins and one more in the Dungeons. There is so much you can build upon. An instance in the dungeons with a lot of weird experiments from the Kirin Tor, twisted by the Demon spells casted by Kel Thuzad and Illidan, ... Also, you could use the area to flesh out the Syndicate faction a bit more.

[@CourtlySeaDog]

the syndicate kinda got the scarlet crusade treatment, they started off as a sympathetic villain faction with a tragic origin story and a good chance for redemption, and then in later expansions they didn't get any development and just ended up devolving into a depthless punching bag that gets recycled whenever blizzard needs to have "evil" humans. Reminder that the syndicate are the remains of Alterac, a now completely extinct kingdom. If nothing else, add some content that allows you to try to help them reclaim their home lost to the Ogres and old horde. Same goes for Scarlet Crusade, after the demon possessing the corpse of Dathrohan is slain in vanilla, by phase 6 they start opening up to a bit of co-operation during the naxxramas event, indicating some level of softening since they're no longer under the influence of a literal demon. Lots of factions should have rep and rewards and they should definitely get more love than they have.

[@Felsparx]

Big thing I remember was GM island. Where the more outrageous players might find themselves in an empty room, under a bright light and answering some questions. I had forgotten about the dueling-behind-pillar trick in IF. I remember watching people doing that back then. Things were so wholesome and simple but the game is just bananas now. What a time we had as kids.

[@soundboyeric2276]

I still remember exploring off zones as a kid. Only ever did blink thru deadmines portal and ran around old outland. Then im TBC jumping on the books in karazhan and falling into the troll village. Ah, and the big smiley face under karazhan. Good times.

[@JaesNSC]

And under ironforge as well.. God those were the days 😂

[@stickystevie9047]

Hey madseason. Been a viewer for years on multiple accounts, and I just wanna say that my nights are blessed when I hear that intro. Love seeing you in my feed bro. I hope life's going well for you.

[@fritzschnitzmueller3768]

I love that you're back with wow content man. These videos feel so good

[@stephenmsawyers]

thanks for putting this out so quickly!

[@ViliTimonen]

I'd definitely love to see Gillijim's Isle and Island of Doctor Lapidis return. Both were west off the coast of STV, somewhat finished islands that were removed sometime during the vanilla alpha. I remember Gillijim's Isle actually existing as a zone, what I mean that you can go to the spot where it used to be and you can see the zone name pop up in the screen and join the general chat of the zone, at least this was the case when I went to the location back in WotLK. Could have some guest hubs there, a dungeon and a raid maybe.

[@EJ_Red]

I'm surprised neither were maps for islands in BFA, would have been a good chance to bring one of them back since they did something similar for another lore location

[@adamt4776]

Seen them completed really well by a private server, good story behind it too. Populated by Ogres, trolls and Kul tiras. Oh and some goblins

[@talir3337]

Turtle WoW, a private vanilla server, finished and released these islands! You can actually explore and quest there, pretty cool

[@WisdomcubeWoW]

Saw the thumbnail and was instantly reminded of Hayven Games

[@moosegoose3159]

One place of lost content I've always found interesting is the completely unknown area of land just below the "O" in Eastern Kingdoms. Every other inaccessible zone in WoW has lore or had implied lore behind it (that one bit of land between Elywnn and Dun Morogh was supposed to be where Deathwing broke out of the world in Cata but was scrapped), but the mysterious O zone has no history behind it what so ever, and would eventually just be phased out in Cata and replaced with ocean.

[@selwrynn6702]

The ocean probably makes more sense given that underwater area of the Deeprun Tram, but if they DID decide to do anything with it that'd certainly be interesting.

[@chemmandan9231]

The world warper trinket from the gnomeregan raid in sod teleports you to all kinds of crazy places like old ironforge, mount hyjal, and a bunch of others that look like content that was never finished. There's a pirate island off the coast of Tanaris way off the map that the trinket can teleport you to and it was honestly one of the coolest places I explored in the game.

[@VonTeush]

You still have remnant of the Timbermaw quest, the main one being of Donova Snowden where you can investigate the hot springs strange powers. The last quest ends on Donova promising to return to us with more infos on a book you find on the Winterfall Chief, but she never does. People have theorized that they might be demon under Hyjal corrupting the water and roots underground and that's why the furbolg are going apeshit in the region. The passage of Timbermaw could have served as the entrance of a dungeon which could give you access to Hyjal (these tunnels were apparently the ones used by Tyrande and Malfurion in W3, it could also be where Illidan's prison were originally), so there might be another entrance of the Hold.

[@Archaia24]

So much love for these videos man. Your content has a special place in my heart and memories…man do I miss the days of 2007-10, WoW has changed a lot but it’s still the best game I’ve ever played.

[@DianavanderPluijm]

I absolutely love these videos, thank you for making and sharing these! I had no idea about Old Ironforge or how certain places were at one point intended to be raids. Thank you!

[@masterblee3438]

Loved the vids for years great to see it still rolling

[@xyton4201]

Your videos are always a joy to watch and listen to. Keep up the great work as always.

[@Tclans]

Great follow-up 👏🏼 To me the ultimate classic+ experience would be a combination of vanilla, TBC and WotLK. Their stories and progression intertwined so it becomes one cohesive whole. Then as a bonus comes the unfinished content mentioned. I love to dream about it, because I would play the hell out of that.

[@jacobscholtissek2410]

i woulkd Kick TBC out but take BFA landmass, because its well known and named stuff.

[@maulyew]

So cool to see you uploading WoW content again. Love listening to your videos at night.

[@Animosity8]

Love the consistent uploads Mads, thanks!

[@TFlo1020]

lmao that knocking when talking about old ironforge made me almost going to my door

[@Sithiar1]

These vids are incredible. What a throwback. I spent most of my younger years doing glitches and exploring different areas "outside the map" Theres so much more, you could be making these videos for a while. The markings on the ground out of bounds of Deepholme, the mushroom fairy ring in the mountains of Tristfal glades.. so many things in this game hidden from view.

[@tatwo_]

Exploring out of bounds stuff in vanilla was so much fun.

[@Graeso]

I love these so much, would love to watch more!

[@HighVoltage0815]

Keep it coming! Great content!

[@creamofthecrop5563]

Great video. I love it. Love from Canada Madseason!! More like this!!

[@Lardypants666]

Great video mad, thx.

[@IamRavensong]

Great stuff and work! If im remembering right there are more areas in undercity that was cut with same reasons as iron forge.

[@Eauxemgee]

Love it bro keep it rolling!

[@BegToDiffer99]

Beautifully done as usual.

[@rubencervantes5176]

I'm glad you are back making videos again. Videos are always interesting.

[@dylunr3143]

Awesome video!

[@hanzle]

love these vids! Wish i knew of more stuff you could cover. One thing i still think about was the players back in those times... I was on Magtheridon, and there were a few badass players and the guild RUN. Guys like Joho (tauren war) and Superfluous (female orc sham) and a few others... lost to the ages i suppose...

[@m4xthegreat]

Having started WoW during the Vanilla Beta EU, I’ve seen all the famous exploration videos at the time (Paul Oakenfold music anayone?) But even though, you made me discover a few that I didn’t know and I’m very curious about there other expansions! Great work

[@cavetroll666]

Thanks for the video cant wait until next phase currently chilling playing d4 and heroes of the storm while we wait.

[@nicoventer5565]

Mr. Madseason sir, just wanted to say I’m so glad you are posting more regularly. Thanks missed you videos

[@DigbitYT]

Loving the frequent uploads and the FF music that's mixed into your vids, keep it up Mads

[@Kaepora2]

You opened up with my Favorite Game OST off rip

[@ogtate_]

Your videos are my favorite to listen to while at work I really am enjoying this series

[@thibaultvandenbogaerde1504]

Peak content as always MadSeason!

[@williamwonka020]

Let's go!! We been blessed with content on this fine sunday!

[@BlueTiberium5198]

Im on break at work and imitate switch to watch new vids from you! Your videos are awesome

[@KingWigga21]

Amazing video! I went to Old Ironforge by going to one of the house's 2nd floor , some characters can go up a closet u take a growth potion , when u see u trespass the ceiling u log out , then log in and taaa daaa u r there, did it on classic

[@Blackadder75]

For some reason I never could get into Old Iron Forge with the duel method, but I did manage to eventually get there with a far more complicated route, involving going through the Iron Forge Airport, dropping down into some dwarven mine entrance, drinking noggenfogger slow fall and jumping at the right angle into a void, which would eventually float you under iron forge mountain, under ironforge, right into Old Iron Forge

[@Mitchball91]

I remember doing this too at some point in vanilla. No idea who came up with the idea. But it was a fun adventure. I do remember that I managed to blink trough the door in Ironforge as a mage tho.. So I did have easier access if I wanted to, and we did the duel + sheep method to help other friends inside. Think we used the corner just outside the throne room to start the duels tho. If you jumped high enough up on the wall you could duel up there.

[@totoroFan]

This was so fun to watch, love all these places and I was always a huge explorer back in the day! Would love to see Programmer Isle too even though it was only meant as a testing area for devs haha! But I guess it was the same with Designer Island aka the unfinished Dragon Isles place too.

[@ifritto]

These videos give me such a nostalgic longing for my youth. Exploring Easter eggs and unaccessible areas was my favorite pastime in vanilla. I hadn't even hit level cap, barely had my non-epic mound by the end of the expansion... All of the time that I "should" have been leveling I was wall jumping and exploring with my friends. We got into the caverns of time, And I have a distinct memory of that sleepover and being up until 3:00 a.m. basking in it's glory. Good times, man

[@Mayor_N]

I just started playing WoW because of these videos you make. They’re so interesting and in the case of your Pandora’s box video, very insightful

[@VegardLa]

Would absolutely love a series of this with the different expansions, I don't really know any unreleased secrets for the other expansions (besides wod)

[@aomcastor2]

According to Hirumaredx, the Hellfire Peninsula in Vanilla was most likely a dev playing with the assets, as the South Seas was their first idea for an expansion, but they had to go to Outland due to limitations. Now, there's a big door on Blackrock Depths that is guarded by a boss called Bael'Gar, and the big door apparently leads to a dwarven highway, according to the Dungeon Journal. That could make for an addition to Classic+

[@duelsy]

Season of MadSeason, videos galore, good times. Just uploads themselves give nice nostalgia.

[@SummerH99]

I love stuff like this! thank you

[@Passonator11]

thank you for the intriguing vid

[@DjAshixx]

Dude, these are perfect vanilla + ideas. Come onnn blizz!

[@tunasub8097]

I thought I knew everything there was to know about this game but this was the first I've heard of the originator Dragon Isles. that's so cool!

[@Wuhangangg]

were so spoiled lately with all the content ur dropping. thank u

[@Kmodal]

Keep em coming!

[@CommanderSal]

I love this man and his videos. They are the highlight of any day.

[@zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba0]

Fuckin spot on music choices as always my dude.

[@720zone]

Absolute favorite type of video here from the GOAT of wow content in my book.

[@Jasonronsteinberger]

Good stuff, thanks!

[@bboyteaser]

theres a chest in Tirisfal Glade that cannot be open or something i remember back in days in spiders near scarlet monastery, also the islands north in theramore, and the islands south of hilsbrand

[@Highmelon]

Dude, you blew my mind with the power ranger comment

[@eduardosanin9427]

Did not expect the King of BJs man caught me off guard! had to replay it 3 times to make sure im not trippin XD

[@BigMemeSucco]

Thanks for the neat video Mr. Show

[@Timmah200]

Azshara was my home on my first character way back in Vanilla. I actaully spent time there grinding levels, exploring, and fishing. It was kind of fun being in a zone without anything distracting you.

[@qpNiTROqp]

I love these kind of videos

[@lodougherty]

Man, the nostalgia seeing this stuff. Even with Classic available and SoD out, I just haven't been able to find time to play, I guess that's getting old. I really miss this game a lot.

[@jacestark3068]

Don't forget about southern silithus! Below aq40 is a huge area with a lot of it already laid out. Also, you can get to old iron forge in sod with the teleport trinket from gnomer. It sent me there last time I used it and thought that was super cool

[@Olimaru2]

amazing vid!

[@Faude18]

I remember my older brother jumping high enouugh on a slope close by the "entrance" to old ironforge to be able to start duels because the city area would stop at some point. That was our waypoint.

[@kylespivack9268]

Lmao at the power rangers information and then the music changes to the theme song. Good stuff thanks for that laugh.

[@florenceforbush63]

Exploration was my favorite part of vanilla actually, especially breaking into those special areas like above Orgrimmar and the gnome runway

[@KevinArcade87]

You can find screenshots of Wrath Dalaran being placed back where it was supposed to be located! It looks awesome

[@horisontial]

There also was an "old ZG" zone with a different layout you could enter through some wall jumping to get behind the actual ZG entrance. And a huge zone behind Dire Maul featuring the stair made out of chairs.

[@poryaamouei636]

there is a similar duel-type push into walls in stormwind behind the AH, you can get under SW and mount all the way to Ironforge even some cool mountains are there.

[@Axafolis]

💙 Love the reminiss and look for hidden entrances/secrets ! I guess this isn't a big secret or maybe it was/is? I got a tip from a friend right before TBC i think it was. We found a closed entrance with an instance portal, right under Karazhan called (The Forgotten Crypt). I think it was suppose to be a raid, but instead lost in time and not finalized. A big moment was where we made it inside from dying, then ressing inside. We then got to explore a big underwater area with alot of corpses and chains hanging down. It was really creepy and fun. I also remember doing a shortcut from winterspring towards Darkshore, jumping down with light feather to a (Troll city). That was before they opened that area in a later expansion... Really cool to look back at that time, so thank you for making this trip down memory lane. 😉

[@coachmcguirk6297]

I just remembered I used to have a "power rangers: the movie" game for the sega gamegear when I was a little kid. The music towards the end of the video brought back a core memory I had completely forgotten about.

[@mattroman5530]

LETS GOOOOO BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the upload on this glorious Sunday!!!!!!

[@Flaming_Goose]

Wild to think that I made that Magni meme nearly 5 years ago now and it's still getting referenced lmao

[@KamilJaved-xs5li]

It’s safe to say that modern blizzard developers lack the talent to ever pull off something close to the vision the original devs had. A really nice video and it’s so cool to see what the devs had in store, but the people currently at the wheel lack even 1/10th of the vision and motivation to ever bring these ideas to light. Still, enjoyed the video and thanks for chronicling it as you have :)

[@solomonkane8136]

I never completely experienced vanilla wow and I’m again enjoying it now. Just leveling at my own pace now like I couldn’t back then.

[@noahjames6206]

Cool video!

[@Slimjim2147]

I have watched so many "cut content" videos and I can believe I've never heard of Old Ironforge

[@00Krohnos]

My friend and I glitched ourselves into Old Ironforge once on the PTR only to find our accounts banned from the PTR. There was a different spot we used for dueling and even clipping in, but the process was effectively the same. It blew my mind and then scared the hell out of me for possibly getting banned.

[@obklat]

So good series 👍

[@NurDerEffzeh1948]

Ahh MadSeason. I love you man. Greetings from good ole germany

[@qu3nt]

ding ding ding ding ding, that intro makes my heart warm

[@skarlok1]

Bring back memories. I used to waste time wondering around locked areas during vanilla. Once i event found something in the North of Eastern Kingdoms. It was weirdly unfinished untextured place. I assume it was future ghost land or Silvermoon. I was running on a mount from the coast and found some space to get pass.

[@sarysa]

One of my most bizarre finds exploring in 2006, using a very low level undead priest to out heal both fatigue and drowning, was I believe off the shore of Stranglethorn Vale. Deep underwater there were a few Gnomish houses. They were at a point so deep underwater that you'd actually lose all your HP at once... probably the same Y coordinate as bottomless pits.

[@sarysa]

Oh and sadly I lost all video proof of this. I had uploaded it to Google Videos back in the day as a Noggaholics knockoff video but GV is gone and not archived.

[@firemarshaldil]

The raptor mount trainer in ungoro, that would be a cool mirror to the saber trainer

[@Deragon0416]

As an Avid Power rangers and sentai fan your little side tangent was great.

[@johanheilmann5339]

That knock on the door really got me i went outside to check no one there kek