The Untold Story: Robin Almost Got Replaced By Female Version?

[@CasuallyComics]

Would you have preferred Damian Wayne didn't return?

[@angelvasquez1592]

You should do the comic book history of the white Canary and how she is different from the arrowverse

[@calamity916]

I wish he had never been a thing in the first place, lol, but it doesn't sit right with me leaving a kid dead, even Damian. I'm glad he returned because he's gotten some great development since.

[@jeremy355]

Yes.

[@kingbeauregard]

@@calamity916 This. Damian is a well-developed character albeit a sometimes frustrating one. That doesn't mean everyone has to like him, but they ought to give him his due. If they want to write him out of the comics, at least do it the right way: send him off to college, rather than kill him. There's even a Batman University in Turkey; send him there.

[@rodneylindsey849]

I’m fine with Damian’s return…I just wish they’d come up with a non Robin name for Tim & let him grow up 🖖🏾

[@ravenwilder4099]

"lures Jason to hang out" Love Batman's approach to friendship.

[@bensneb360]

Am I the only one who kind of wants to see Carrie Kelly in a Batman Beyond book. Like she becomes Terry McGinnis‘s Robin… I think they could have a cool big brother/little sister dynamic.

[@mrnoodlr0284]

He already has a little brother who was Robin loo

[@rigorgrynn4469]

​​@@mrnoodlr0284cause a batman has never had more then one person under their wing. Could easily be written to be a red robin type deal or give her an original identity like spoiler or orphan.

[@GinsuSher]

No. If anything, she should be a mentor to Terry.

[@sarahb8695]

yes! I've often thought that, either his Robin or his Batgirl. sibling dynamic intact regardless.

[@sarahb8695]

@@GinsuSher oooh, that would be cool too!

[@kmacartney1396]

I liked that Damian had the acting classes no one knew about because 1) he was learning how to socialise a bit more in that period in the comics so it made some sense, 2) he had this excellent skill when he was first introduced where he could mimic voices perfectly which I thought was SO cool and wish they hadn't forgotten about, so I think that ties into acting pretty well, and 3) when I read this comic it created a sense of "did you ever really know your son?" that made Bruce's grief even more hard-hitting. Also, tutored by Carrie Kelly! What's not to love

[@simontchang]

Yeah IIRC there was an earlier arc where Damian went to collect Martha's pearls out of the sewer - he was doing things on the side to win his father's approval so getting lessons from Carrie seemed plausible.

[@lucinae8512]

I like the idea of Damian making friends with a less known character, without Bruce being involved in establishing it. Carrie doesn't even have to become part of the plot, just be there for a sense of normality and calm when the characters need it.

[@patrickcaddy7061]

I remember meeting Peter j tomasi at Baltimore comic con. I asked him what he planned for Carrie. He said dc had to buy him out of hos contract cuz Frank Miller was coming back and wanted to use " his character " I offered to buy Peter a drink at a place near buy to hear the full story but he said "no drink is worth bring a nda"

[@adamfrey4920]

I met PJT at BCC a few years ago and had him sign those issues where Clark and Lois take young Jon on a tour of America. Apparently he got a lot of love for those issues and he was happy to sign them.

[@patrickcaddy7061]

@adamfrey4920 he's a great dude he did a little doodle for me on a script I think of one of batman issues he did like 3 in the pages

[@kingbeauregard]

Bruce needs more non-costumed people in his orbit. He's got so many kids in tights at this point, just having some non-heroing contacts would be a welcome change of pace. I really hoped they'd keep Harper Row as just a civilian, and she'd be a mole in Gotham's utility system, maybe run low-risk errands for him. But, they decided to put her in a unitard too, and eventually retired her. Carrie would work best as a civilian too.

[@pickedceasar1216]

Chances are slim. Afred is pretty much the only one to be allowed not to wear costume

[@joewiewiora8461]

With Alfred still dead, Bruce needs more civilians in support functions in his life and his role as Batman.

[@kwayneboy1524]

​@@pickedceasar1216Yeah but he's *OLD* and worm food so I feel like having a regular normal person who isn't crazy(yeah I said it The Batfamily is insane) or just a very old dude who practically raised Bruce would be a fresh option. Think like April or pre Robin Tim Drake just someone regular who while wants to help out in some capacity but still doesn't want to be in a cape or mask.

[@CasualNotice]

Just read your comment and now I want to go through a Batman Who's Who and see how many other Bat Extras are named after textbook publishers.

[@cartersmith6628]

Batman The Animated Series actually had a handful. I know a couple of the notable ones were Leslie, a doctor and advocate for Gothams poor, and also the first to comfort Bruce after his parents death. Then Batman also had a mechanic who basically designed the Batmobile as it was in that show. I think there were a couple others but I can’t remember. But it was sweet. It felt like Batman and Bruce had friends and allies that he leaned on beyond just being Batman but legitimately as friends.

[@Geek0ftheWeek]

I guess you can't be an official Robin until you've been backhanded by Batman at least once 😅

[@sem2412m]

I just really like her design with the original comic and how it’s distinctive from the other Robins.

[@DesMuttYS]

I think if they were to bring Carrie Kelley back, it wouldn't be in the initial mainstream comic line. I think that it would be more interesting to make her a Robin to go with Terry McGinnis in a Batman Beyond type of comic. Admittedly, it isn't as necessary as he is a teenager, but it could still work. I would keep her a little more in line with her comic origin of being kind of neglected, and having her kind of creating her own gear. So you could have Terry with the advance suit and high tech equipment, and then Robin in a simple cloth costume, using items like firecrackers, rubber balls, or whatever she could find or buy.

[@Shamazya]

Ohhh you could also do a homage to her Cat Woman identity by having a splicing plot!

[@kadegetslaid634]

I dont even think terrys a teenager in current beyond continuity

[@WhiteRaven696]

Seems like DC still wants Carrie to end up in the Bat Family at some point in the future. Tom King’s flashforward to Bruce’s death had her at his bedside. I’d love to see her come back.

[@simontchang]

Ahh! I always wondered what happened here - I know she was solicited for at least another cover - one with Batman holding Two-Face's scarred coin with Carrie's image. I feel the intention was always to bring Damien back but use Carrie as an interim Robin for the Two Face arc, as it's the only one of that run that doesn't feature Robin physically or thematically.

[@esean1]

At the time, my guess - my hope - was that Damian would be off the board for a time believed to be dead only to return aged up as a villain: Ib'n Al Xuffasch.

[@ThatJaymsWisdom]

I can see Carrie Kelly being involved with the "We R Robin" group. I feel like she would have fit in there as a sort of activist and leader of a bunch of disenfranchised young people. And it would have been neat to have that connection between Batman and the group.

[@rammisalami]

5:12 Thank you for that Mister Tomasi! We know DC refuses to acknowledge the work you have done to make the Super Sons one of if not the most popular young heroes at DC but we see you! We will always have your hundreds of pages of quality adventures, regardless of what Bendis does. We could see the love you had for not just Batman and Superman but Jon and Damian and I really appreciated that. It’s a comic I always come back to when I am reading to my nephews or godson. Tbh I come back to it really whenever I get depressed, as well as The Magicians, and that always gets me out of my slump. Edit. I guess I should credit Frank and Grant too because that run was phenomenal. But when it comes to making a Damian character that people liked, that has to go to the Super Sons stories.

[@muriok2474]

She got done dirty but maybe its not so bad if she remains in separate continuity theres already so much batman characters already

[@Grimstone]

Damien getting lessons from her makes sense from the bat family perspective. He may have been trying to improve the spy aspect of his career. Batman has to be Bruce, Matches, and other disguises in crime fighting. I'm just saying low-keyacting lessons make sense if Damien wants to be a better civilian or a more likeable Robin... trying to emulate Dick Grayson or Tim Drake.

[@kbar4462]

Keep Carrie in DKR continuity. Cutrent DC had enough problems putting together a good Robin story as it is lol

[@KnucklesxReala911]

Exactly,I love her but I can see her working with how already messy is all the comics canon is, better leave her where she shined the brightest than try to just aggressively try fitting her there

[@Maskedmenace8267]

Eh carrie can be in are world but have her be after damian or be one of the robins robin when they tqke over

[@SophiaSanders61]

I mean, Josh Williamson's Robin run was a ton of fun. Hate that it walked back some of Damian's character work, though a lot of runs do.

[@utubrGaming]

I unironically like Carrie and other characters like Maps Mizoguchi of Gotham Academy to have a role in the Bat-Legend, or the Gotham Mythos more generally. Yes, the Bat-Family's absolutely filled, but in my eyes, if one could find a niche, in terms of atmosphere, personality, relationships or even subgenre of story to tell, it could be achieved.

[@rigorgrynn4469]

I always liked the idea of each member of the bat family filling a role/ locale in Gotham. It frees up Batman's time to deal with greater threats while giving Gotham a being force to stop all the horror constantly at their doorstep.

[@kwayneboy1524]

Wait is Gotham Academy canon? Because I can't tell if the stories are in or out of continuity.

[@utubrGaming]

@@rigorgrynn4469 I know that there's the Batman Beyond/Dark Knight Returns/Kingdom Come idea that Bruce will literally don the cowl until his body breaks before his drive does, but I kinda feel like after the solitary lifestyle and the trauma of the early years/post-Identity Crisis/Post-Death Of/In the Family, after his injuries post-KnightFall and NML, and as the Batfamily expands with Cassandra and Damian under his wing Bruce is the centre of a Found Family and takes more and more of a mentor/symbolic role, eventually turning into the Guy in the Chair, as his public persona also shifts from playboy to philanthropist/industrial tycoon as he can ramp up helping the city from the Wayne front. It will also make passing the cowl a bit of growth on his humility, considering his earlier territorial instincts with his city, nevermind his symbol.

[@utubrGaming]

@@kwayneboy1524 I'd lean more in the side of Yes than No, simply because Maps and Kyle showed up in Becky Cloonan's Batgirls run for a bit too, although the whole Olive Silverlock affair wasn't mentioned.

[@bryanabbott6169]

Carrie Kelly could have been Batwoman's Robin/Batgirl (as a call back to Batwoman and Batgirl in the '50s).

[@SuperEasywalker]

Hopefully with different moniker because we have enough Robins and Batgirls in the mix.

[@TitularHeroine]

That's the best idea in the comments so far. It just feels more natural than all the "Batman Beyond" nonsense, plus that callback you mention. And I think an origin story completely detached from TDKR would work better with an alternate version.

[@BlackoutCreature]

Carrie Kelley's debut in the main DCU could've been amazing... if it happened in like 1988 when DKR was still a hot topic among comic fans. By the time she did show up in 2013 readers had long since ceased caring about the character (The DKR sequels did their damage) and would just rather see DC deal with Batman characters they had actual connections to like Cass and Steph.

[@BlackoutCreature]

@@Malthizar It's largely before my time as well, but when I was getting into comics in the late 90's "the girl Robin from The Dark Knight Returns" was still really popular topic of conversation around the comic book stores even though the story was more then a decade old by then. If she had replaced Jason Todd as the main universe Robin instead of Tim Drake, I gotta believe it would've been treated as a big deal by the fandom. But that window of opportunity had long since closed by the time she did show up.

[@Tiggeralt]

The only thing I know about Carrie Kelley is the episode of Unikitty where Doctor Fox dressed up as her. So Carrie was introduced and then vanished, huh? Maybe she can hang out with the New 52 Kid Eternity.

[@randydaniels9297]

I loved everything about "dark knight returns" except for the mean treatment of Selena Kyle. Carrie was a great addition to an otherwise bleak and dismal world. But I think she really belonged in that 'verse other than the main continuity. Like you said, the bat-family is pretty big as it is with more orphans than you can shake a stick at. Not that shaking a stick has ever actually solve anything.

[@adamfrey4920]

Its too bad Frank Miller never made another TDKR universe story after those four issues.

[@joeparrigen4982]

There was a sequel.

[@adamfrey4920]

@@joeparrigen4982 (Holds up "sarcasm" sign)

[@steinarbergstl5799]

@@adamfrey4920 Yep. A real tragedy on the level of there only ever having been made a single Highlander movie! 😁

[@philipcampbell4096]

Indeed

[@zackcrouch6930]

Really like her. I remember back when the directors cut of Batman vs Superman was being release and Jenna Malone was rumored to play Carrie, was super excited

[@That_Lady_Charlie]

Carrie Kelley is one of the best Robins. She chose to be Robin. She was meant to be. And she was a damn good one. Feel like pure shit, I just want her back

[@utubrGaming]

She's like Tim Drake, but with Steph's family life and more than a dash of her personality mixed with Young Babs.

[@jenw980]

Wouldn’t a father-daughter dynamic basically achieve the same thing? I guess you could consider that role filled by Batgirl but Barb’s dad is still alive and let’s just forget that weird BrucexBarb ship.

[@mperezmcfinn2511]

​​@@Superlad945Robin was conceived by Bill Finger as a Watson to Batman's Holmes. He said he was tired of giving Batman so much internal dialogue and wanted him to have another character to work off of. Robin was suggested by artist Jerry Robinson, based on Robin Hood (which is why his costume has a medieval theme). Then Bob Kane suggested making him a child so kids could relate to him.

[@a1rg3ar31]

She basically embodies everything that Robin stands for.

[@Dougeb7]

I'm concerned about the pizza temp too. Cool cheese and sauce doesn't fly off the pizza like that. The Comics Code is gone, so don't be surprised if there's a rash on ER victims with facial burns from impressionable youths who think it's okay to fling hot pizza everywhere (J/K 😁). Loved the vid!

[@WhiteRaven696]

I would very much like a Carrie Kelley return. An actress? With a connection to Damian? That would be so iconic.

[@BlueEXEVideos]

Her being in that comic, even as a side character, was enough for me to start picking up the comic. Her disappearing was enough for me to stop. They had me then they lost me. Can't say I felt either one way or the other about Damian returning. This was before I really noticed a large influx of Bat characters so I had not problem with trying to add a few new ones.

[@johnnycage112]

He was repalced by a female. Stephanie may be forgotten but she has her own place in history. Only person to be both Robin and Batgirl.

[@richmcgee434]

Only forgotten by DC, and even that will only last until some new blood wants to use her in their toybox, no matter how forced, awkward and temporary her return winds up being. Remember the days when DC understood what continuity was? Odd are you don't because it's been gone too long.

[@marhawkman303]

@@richmcgee434 continuity was the real victim of CoIE.

[@richmcgee434]

@@marhawkman303 True that.

[@JanArrah]

Both times because of editorial interference... She was only Robin because they wanted a Robin who could fail badly.. and then she was magically promoted to Batgirl out of no where because she failed badly but DC wanted a blond white girl instead of Cass. Also Damian and Cass had very similar origins, so they had to ditch Cass for a while.

[@Maskedmenace8267]

By a technicalitie the order gose grayson Todd Drake Brown Wayne Steph is danians predecessor

[@rodneylindsey849]

I could be way off, having never read the arc, but just from looking at some of the panels at Wayne Manor, I could see a editor saying “ Danger Will Robinson “ we are veering way into the Batman/ Batgirl Timm Verse relationship territory, which is almost Universally Hated !!! “ Abort Mission “ …Keep Up The Outstanding Work Sasha 🖖🏾

[@CasualNotice]

Different writers have written Batman to have taken just about every woman he's come into contact with behind the barn, not just Bruce Timm. I get the weird "Killing Joke" issue with Barbara Gordon, but even that wasn't the first time the pairing had been suggested. And these writers wouldn't have been way off the original if they'd leaned that way (and I'm not saying the would or should have), Carrie Kelly had a pretty solid Anime-Best-Girl vibe in Miller's original DKR.

[@rodneylindsey849]

I know that Bruce Timm is not the only writer to put Bruce & Barbara together…on the 60’s Batman series Commissioner Gordon attempted to set them up on several dates …however on BTAS what generally turned everyone off was that Babs was Bruce’s adopted son’s ex , & the daughter of his friend & partner who he has known since she was a adolescent 🖖🏾

[@erickent4248]

She definitely had potential as a character. I didn't like her original design (she looked like a female version of a 13 year old version of me) but her redesign is working for me. Maybe they decided they had too many red haired girls with Barbara (who was suddenly not paralyzed anymore, even though Babs is the best Batgirl, I had grown to love her as Oracle.) Honestly all the Robins got confusing for me long ago, even though I grew up reading Tim Drake mostly (with Jason Todd dead and Dick firmly in the Nightwing role) Tim Drake from back then clearly isn't the same Tim Drake now, but sometimes Damian is. Again, it is all very confusing. It seems like a lot of the confusion is the fact that the live action directors seem to want to ignore all Robins whenever possible, and the leaders at DC always want to readjust to Hollywood for some reason.

[@yamataichul]

To me is the opposite! She looks and acts so much like a female character I invented in middle school! Carrie's first design is my favorite design!

[@omshiva3599]

I appreciate the effort to incorporate all threads of the multiverse into a single continuity. It would be cool to see a current story bring Carrie Kelley back into the Batman circle. She may not have to come back as Robin, but I can see her coming in as an updated version of her Catgirl persona and maybe serving as a foil to Catwoman. I can also see her hanging out with Spoiler, Bluebird, and Duela Dent similar to the CW Gotham Knights TV series.

[@OtakuD50]

I misread one of these comments and just wanted to share how wild the image of Charlie Kelly Robin was.

[@lizardinthedark3342]

If they really wanted to hook her into the family using the theater acting thing, they should've had her point of connection be Jason, not Damian. Jason loves Shakespeare. It'd be perfect!

[@eunicefazzi6697]

Thank you so much for the video. I remember seeing her in this run and wondered where she went. I figured she was just meant as an Easter egg. Now I know!

[@TurtleDustin]

I'm open to having Carrie Kelly as Robin. Often feels like she's a beloved character that doesn't get respect or recognition because she "doesn't count." If a movie, game, or animated series opted for her instead of the others, I think it would be cool.

[@JubulusPrime]

Yeah, like I don't think her not being a dark-haired young male like the other robins is a bad thing, It is good to have a lot of diffrent robins as that is fun to have a character variety for batman's side-kicks.

[@TurtleDustin]

@JubulusPrime exactly. One of the things I liked about some of the cartoons they'd play around with it by having Batgirl before there was a Robin or having that role filled by Katanna.

[@ryanjstannard]

I wonder if Batgirl/Barbara’s design in the Harley Quinn show is a reference to Carrie.

[@Rei-Rei]

It reminds me of Cir El, the lost supergirl. They gave her a big intro, then did some bad stories with painful art and then in-story erased her from the timeline. The next issue nobody even remembered her. Was it because of fan backlash? Was it because Jeff Loeb was about to introduce Supergirl 4 a month later? Who can say? (It was the Jeff Loeb thing, obvs).

[@sgpoet47]

It could have been so interesting to have a "batman and Robin" series with Carrie getting her own mantel... now I wonder if the webtoon series will pull her in somehow? I can just picture lines of Shakespeare woven into dialogue and action sequences

[@MisterKetch]

Pretty recently stumbled onto your channel and have been binge watching/listening since! I got into comics through the new 52 and read a LOT of it, so this and other random plot points that were abandoned pop up in my head every once in awhile. Really cool to hear some context behind this. But Alfred man come on, Damian was dead at that point, your really gonna invite around his suspicious tutor whose not buying the story to begin with?

[@doujinloverXD]

Personally would have made her a higjschool student who has like a murder board in her room and loves crime dramas and just ran into Damian randomly while he was in street clothes, you could still have her be a theater kid and maybe sje offers her tutoring to Damian still bit he uses her unknowingly to get street info from. Like show she can gather info and sleuth too basically take inspiration from DCAU Carrie from that one episode.

[@Anthony-fm7ot]

Thanks for this. I love Damian and I’m glad he eventually came back, but I was genuinely exciting for Carrie to be the next Robin, at the time. I was so bummed that it just kinda got axed and I don’t remember if I had ever learned why, until now.

[@dataweaver]

Doomsday Clock introduced an Earth where the New 52 continued. I wouldn't mind seeing Carrie reappear on that “Earth 52”.

[@CynicalPete]

Not surprised DC ditched her. They seem to to have thrown out almost every female Bat family member except for Kate,Steph, Cass, and Barbara. Julia, Beth, Mistfit, Harper, and probably a few I’m not thinking of right now

[@kwayneboy1524]

Remember Kathy Kane, Bette Kane, Knight and ect

[@buddyzilla4557]

Man..if only Bruce made Carrie the new Robin and Damian came back to think he callusly moved on..then we would have got him mad at Batman, going out on his own vigilante crusade without limits and taking on the title of the Red Hoodie..he could give us a passive agressive daddy issues rap..maybe be the sidekick of Jason so they could throw some EXTRA salt Bruce's way..yeah..maybe this was for the best.

[@Dikarika]

Carrie Kelley will always be my favorite Robin. That slang will never be Billy. It's real coo, like all fan.

[@crhu319]

Normalize this.

[@tristanmilner9511]

The age gap between Kelly and Damien was never an issue for a few reasons: 1) Who Damien's mother is. 2) How his mother raised him. 3) Damien's knowledge of how his mother got preggers, let's just say he knows to check his drinks. 4) She saw a chance to encourage the next generation's interest in the arts. 5) Acting Lessons aren't as shady as dressing a kid in bright spandex and fighting crime.

[@VerdantRange]

What I would have preferred is if Carrie Kelly became a Robin for the Terry McGuinness Batman. Have her be skilled in ways different from Bruce and Terry so her and Terry would be a more effective pair with both bringing something to the table.

[@ShadowWingTronix]

I thought they stated that Damian was created to be killed off (literally "born to die") but over time a strong enough fan base caused them to resurrect him? Now if you want an obscure Robin look up Bobby Chang from Digital Justice. I wrote a review of that comic and I STILL have to look up his name every time I want to mention him. Which granted isn't often but he's that unmemorable. The comic itself is okay until the final act, where it falls to pieces almost immediately but he is still the one Robin nobody talks about.

[@simonashtear2739]

Thanks for highlighting this. I don't have infinite money, or time, or a comic vault, so I like to catch up on continuity through your, and other, comic channels. I'm shocked and disappointed that I never saw anyone else cover this! Carrie could've been a GREAT addition and Robin. So many Bat-friends are stained or shaped by parental trauma. "My parents were killed" "My mom sold me out to Joker" "My dad is a criminal" "I was raised by assassins." (Even Babs has some family trauma, but it wasn't central to her character) I don't think you mentioned anything about Carrie's parents or if there was some horrific backstory to them. Having a healthy well-adjusted person in their orbit could've been an interesting lens or counter-point to everyone else's need for healing. What would a lazy lounging Saturday with Carrie and Jason Todd be like? There's cat burglars, detectives, acrobats, trained assassins, I bet an actor and theatre nerd would've been an amazing new asset. Especially if she had Bruce's budget to play with! I don't think she'd be a foil for a resurrected Damian, but for some reason he trusted and respected her. If he knew how hard she tried to find him, I think it would touch him in a way he'd never felt before. She could be the person he talks to if he can't talk to anyone else, like when The Boy Wonder went to go talk with Uncle Clark.

[@sargeward8184]

Nowadays I like to see Dark Knight Returns as a sort of alternate path for Bruce: Miller inadvertently predicted the death of Jason, and so his story actually follows main continuity up to that point. TDKR serves almost as a 'what if' for if Bruce had never managed to get over that loss, never found solace among the greater Bat Family. If you see it like that, as a branching path from the main continuity, there's no reason for TDKR's characters to not exist within the main continuity, merely in different life stations. I see no reason why Kelly can't exist in-universe in some capacity. Whether she should actually join the Bat family, though, I honestly see reasons both for and against

[@daveluna7931]

I think it would have been good for Damen to have her as part of his friend group

[@Fangirl222]

Honestly, I’m neutral on Carrie, but I wouldn’t want her to replace anyone’s roles. I think that the family has a good balance of characters and that they are all the vigilante that best suits them. As long as Carrie doesn’t get in the way of that, I don’t care much what they do with her.

[@tk_drowsy]

Another Robin would really make the family overBaturated, but I wouldn’t be opposed to if they could actual keep the various members in the family relevant. They need an anthology series for all of the sidekicks and partners in Gotham when they don’t have their own/team book.

[@kitart1583]

I mean they kinda have had that before with the robins book and the batgirls book, it would be nice to get one that was both robins and batgirls now that both of those have been cancelled, but i guess that’s what we have the WEBTOON for

[@SEReina-gk1kx]

Honestly…I would like Carrie to be in the webtoon of the bat family. They’ve been doing a job with it so far so why not add one more to the fam?

[@Strunmahmah]

Petition to bring Carrie back. I wanna see her actually interact with Damian, he needs more friends.

[@kitart1583]

The thing Is that Damian has had a lot of friends that Dc just keeps forgetting about like Colin, Mia or Maya, I will be willing to say they will forget about Flatline entirely in like a year or 2, and then there is Jon who was famously his best friend, Dc fucked up the Supersons for no apparent reason and now Damian literally can’t have any friends that aren’t his siblings or people that are way older that him. I don’t trust them to bring back Carrie honestly

[@rlee4812]

Carrie was Robin in the CW cancelled Gotham Knights played by actress Navia Robinson--character was more like Tim Drake, though...

[@PosthumanHeresy]

9:50 I would be fine about almost anyone but Dick acting this way. I _want_ almost anyone but Dick to ask this way, because it shows a realistic understanding of the rules of their universe that shows they have observational skills. Characters come off like morons when they don't acknowledge the differences between reality and their world. Except... Danny Chase is still dead. Dick Grayson is one of the few who shouldn't have this mindset, and when others have this mindset, Dick should remind them of that. Dick should be one of the few characters who has noticed that only some people get to come back from the dead, just without any awareness that it's a popularity thing.

[@blackphoenix77]

Bringing Carrie Kelley in and doing nothing with her was pointless. If they went through all the effort to bring her into main continuity, they should have done something with her.

[@R_AM02]

I haven't watched your content in a while and i remember why i like yah. It's nice to be back :3

[@manis1551]

I like Carrie Kelley and she was fun in The Dark Knight Returns. But I can't see her ever being Robin in the main DC continuity due to the fact Damian Wayne is probably seen by DC editorial as the definitive Robin and that Damian will continue being Robin for many years to come. It would have been better if she had a new superhero persona during the New 52

[@Reubentheimitator6572]

8:11 - 8:15, I agree O Sasha, sleezy pickup lines do not equal third degree burns. They equal drop down payback insults.

[@blackphoenix77]

Didn't you know that hitting on a woman is the same thing as assault? That's what Twitter says 😅

[@mooncaketin]

@2:46 37 years later, and I just noticed the "R" on Carrie's costume is on the wrong side and not reversed in her mirror 😄

[@TitularHeroine]

37 years and three hours after you commented, I also just learned....

[@whitestar0060]

Honestly I felt the Batfamily was too crowded when Damian was INTRODUCED. The bloat has only gotten worse since then.

[@LCBK]

The better way Carrie could be put in is just to make her a friend of Stephane and maybe has met Damion a few times and sees him as the friends little brother

[@stevequerin2504]

This Carrie Kelly has a very strong "French Girl" vibe. I am basically this on your Video. I haven't purchased, or read, a Comic Book in Years, or Decades. If I were into Comic Books; then, this version of Carrie Kelly would rub me wrong. As an RPGer (Roleplaying Game Player; NOT, a Rocket Propelled Grenadier), I would rather create my own Characters, and Character Storylines, than follow and critique someone else's Character, and Character Storyline. -- DOCTOR WHO -- GUY GARDNER

[@matthewthompson2844]

What's interesting too is in the "Channel 52" news segment that they had at the end of each New 52 comic, they said that Batman had been spotted with a Female Robin. I don't remember what month it was, but I think it was before Carrie's N52 introduction. Either I remember being hyped and ultimately let down by that possiblity.

[@PosthumanHeresy]

8:13 No, it absolutely should be hot, and that's fair retribution. Dudes know it terrifies women when they act that way. Batman ethos: they should be the ones afraid.

[@dustygriffin6839]

I went and ordered a Batman and Robin TPB after this, I feel like I read everything after it and I needs something refreshing.

[@darrenhardy4817]

Remember cannotically Damien is really bad at improvisation and acting, he once when asked he's name patent include himself Jason Drake. So her being he's Coach could work and can even just have her as Steph's roommate to reintroducer

[@johnforsyth7987]

I wish they would have used Carrie Kelly more in the Batman comic series. I agree with your comment at the end of this video. There were so many possibilities for her character. Alas it was not to be.

[@wildtrkyproductions]

Would love to see a spinoff series of Carrie Kelly, Charlotte aka Misfit, and Kitrina aka Catgirl teaming up. The Forgotten Young Heroines.

[@fcm3d]

I always loved her green glasses.

[@Ioannis-malewitch]

I've always wanted to share that fun linguistic fact with you and I will share it now even though it might not be ralated to this video. So you often joke about dc always using the article "the" to describe its heroes. My language, modern greek, is structured that way that we always have to use an article before a noun even in people's names! The articles also have different cases. My point is if I wanted to describe one of your lois videos I would say literally in greek:"the Sasha talks about the Lois Lane and the Superman 😅" (maybe it's not a fun fact and I am huge nerd) PS is that "I want to go to there" a 30rock reference or has it just become a meme?

[@richmcgee434]

That's not really all that strange, many languages make much more widespread use of articles than English does, especially ones that assign gender to nouns. It's really English that's the odd one out more than Greek.

[@ScottWaa]

Wait... I need more explanation about the background change!

[@DexDexter0]

At least Carrie has the legs to pull off the no pants look

[@jameljenks2584]

Carrie is fine but they have a rough time using who the have. (Hi Duke)

[@andrewrowland3546]

Here's a swerve. Resurrect Jean-Paul Valley, have him resume his stint as Azrael and somehow, through shenanigans, Carrie Kelly ends up his sidekick. She could get an abbreviated introduction to "the system", but not souch that it overrides her basic personality. As "Benediction" (working title) she plays the role of Azrael's conscience, keeping him from being too brutal, but it also sets up a Gotham rivalry between the respective dynamic duos. This would allow them to keep her in the main timeline as an active costumed character, without saddling her with Robin's hand me down Identity.

[@yt_Ajay_]

I don't know if this is just coincidence, but I feel like I've been seeing a lot of Carrie Kelley on the internet recently.. like we all just suddenly thought of her at the same time.

[@Libertyfudge]

General comment: I love how you hair looks different in each video!

[@jdrvargo287]

8:10 You know, it's strange that this is the first time I've heard someone actually condemn that level of retaliation for that offense. At least in media.

[@akiraishin7141]

I'm glad she never made it into the main continuity. They've already added way too many Bat-Fam characters and we don't need a new one. Plus, the way she's written is immediately despicable to me. Dude hits on you in a way you didn't like? That sounds like a perfectly good reason for an assault! Doesn't sound very heroic, does it.

[@Frogman1212]

Rare bad move for Tomasi. Especially after removing Steph and Cassie, and killing Robin FIVE(!!!!) (or 3 at the time) who everybody at DC must have assumed would come back, the last thing they need is to make Carrie canon. I'm pretty sure Blue Bird was already introduced as well.

[@kwayneboy1524]

Well I mean I think that was more of cat calling plus it's Gotham you can't look weak to anyone so strike and run, besides it's no more heroic then snapping the wrists of some guy who stole a car.

[@PosthumanHeresy]

10:00 Imo, the main thing that sold it might stick is simply that DC Comics was such a mess of terrible ideas that, because killing off an interesting character concept like that and keeping him dead would be a waste, it seemed like the thing DC Comics would do. Dan DiDio hates sidekicks and legacy, and has this real stick up his ass about Batman being in his early 30s at the latest, so it made sense he'd want to kill off the son so that the son can't age, forcing the father to age.

[@PosthumanHeresy]

I really wish DC would get sued so they'd have to stop having Tim Drake be named after a fast food joint.

[@tkillcoin]

What about splitting the difference? A new future tale for Bats that includes Carrie, as a nod to DKR. I like her as the last ever Robin. She’s a worthy last link, and I hesitate to crowd her by bringing her up to the present. At the very least, a young Carrie and an older Damian (or Dick, or Babs, or Stephanie, or Jason!) is a fun dynamic.

[@yamataichul]

Carrie's design should be a lot more like her first with the added bonus of her having a stable yet somehow a lonely upbringing. She could be living with a relative who's dying of natural causes but their morals and believes carries with Carrie. She could be the one calling child protective services on taking her after her relative died or the relative on the day before their death. Her agency is where she reconnects with an abusive side of her family but tries to distance and ultimately leaves them for good.

[@BronzeBoy520]

Ahh I remember this 3 minute plot line. I like to think Carrie got beat up by Flatline.😊

[@matthewhood7844]

The original look of Carrie Kelly is based on Jill St. John in the Robin costume from the 1966 tv series, isn't it?

[@MisterBadman]

Loved LOVED Tomasi and Gleason’s BM&R. Although I’m happy Bruce rode the HellBat to Apocalypse to bring back Damien, but Dang can’t Carrie get some love? That being said, Miller and Azarello gave her the Mantle, and PURPLE, so that’s cool!

[@theunamiable]

I think keeping Carrie in the apocalypt-ish future makes more sense, and use new characters for the 'modern day'. But I would read it (eventually, once I figure out how everything fits together on this DC app thing).

[@zachwise476]

There's a character in Super Smash Bros. Named Robin who can be male or female. They're from Fire Emblem, but when I unlocked Robin I was like: wait... #notmydick(greyson) lol

[@Deoxys911]

I definitely think that she is best as an alternate timeline/universe Robin rather than yet another in an awkwardly long line in the main universe.

[@jaehurd3524]

Carrie would have been a great fifth (main) robin, especially if Damien moved onto a different mantel. I like the idea of every other robin being either more violent or more reasonable

[@oliveragag8576]

The least they could do was say what happened to her.

[@skeletor4436]

I am overall glad that Damian was brought back but Carrie should have sticked around. Could be like a ally to the batfamily butnot neccessarily a ally thats going out in costume

[@Mulletmanalive]

I was in the small portion of people who loved Damien as Robin initially, loved Dick as Batman too, so I wasn’t happy he died (he’s Ras’ relative, chances of him staying dead while still hilarious seemed slim). This was exactly the wrong period to have a character looking like her front and centre. Was really sick of the digital art by this point in the trades too. Closed the book, didn’t even think about buying it…

[@superjlk_9538]

Isn’t Tomasi writing Batman and Robin again? Maybe Carrie will finally return

[@robertthreadgill5356]

Damian has developed into his own hero as Robin even if he does act like a little brat still. But seeing Carrie work with a version of Bruce Wayne in his prime & interacting the other girls of the family would've been fun.

[@Lawthefilmmaker]

She's bat family to me, and most of the people who loved The Dark Knight Returns, so why not keep her around.

[@brandonscott5544]

GREAT VIDEO 💛♥️💚❤️💜