The update that fixes all Qidi Plus 4 issues, new feature, more testing and the comment section.

[@NoizieWorks]

Update, it's not bed mesh fade. Working with qidi to figure out what's going on and will update when i have a solid answer Keep the community tab in the Eye balls for more updates i need a break.

[@eaman11]

Waaa that's wild! Induced Z-wobble.

[@Flying--T]

@NoizieWorks I got a review sample too and have exactly the same issue with rattling extruder / loose bearings

[@William3DP]

I love your 'fanboy' discussion. For whatever it is worth, I am now one of your subscribers. Thank you for standing up and saying what needed to be said.

[@NoizieWorks]

@William3DP Well i appreciate it! And btw... i love a good rant 😆

[@MarkBanas]

100% agree. Also a new subscriber due to that great way of saying what most of us are thinking.

[@NathanDavidDodd]

Same here. The fan boy talk made me instantly subscribe. 100% agreed.

[@802Garage]

I really love the way you address the comments! People who make their whole personality defending whatever brand they own or like is pathetic. People who spend so much time being negative in comment sections need to come back to reality. It is always possible to add to a conversation, especially with constructive criticism. If you are just here to throw insults or attack people, you are wasting everyone's time including your own.

[@NoizieWorks]

YES!

[@ATLnJP]

@@802Garage This is the power of keyboard warriors. Hide & Seek - hide behind anonymity of the internet and seek out ways to make their voices heard. But keep fighting the good fight. Knowledge is power.

[@gemrough]

Leveling knobs is a great thing. I added them to my K1 max and got my bed leveled dead flat on all 4 corners and only have a deviation of .14mm. Its well worth the effort to use the knobs to level.

[@NoizieWorks]

@gemrough trying to trust to much on bed mesh is never good

[@winebartender6653]

I'm not really sure how anyone could complain about it. You need to tram the bed on any consumer level printer. At this price point, it sure as well won't be done by motors. The variance of the bed, z screws and any mounting used between the two needs to be accounted for.

[@ipadize]

me as a machinist, dead flat and 0.14mm doesnt go in one sentence 😂

[@NoizieWorks]

@@ipadize so sorry for that 😆

[@gemrough]

@@ipadize i agree but relatively speaking… 😂

[@ScottTate1AndOnly]

I do love that you point out the stupid brand loyal comments that provide no value, but stroke the ego of those that made the comment..... I have noticed that the space efficiency and location of features were much better thought out in my Plus4 than my Max3. That little inspection port on the hotend/extruder connection is really a nice feature. When I clogged it using PETG-CF in the factory 0.4mm nozzle, it was ridiculously easy to be back up and running.

[@Jerrie-Lenore]

Right?! I cant see replacing my XM3, but adding a 4 series is definitely in the future!

[@dropfry]

Thanks for showing the machine in motion. This is the only channel that actually shows the real world sounds of this machine.

[@DK-vx1zc]

great update! I appreciate your direct talk.. Some of the reviewers are afraid to make the manufacturer upset, you are more concerned about your viewers. bravo!

[@802Garage]

I basically see both sides. I don't think products should be released before they are ready, so in that respect the first batch of printers should come with a stable and feature complete firmware. However, I do think it is standard practice in the modern age to update any piece of technology you get when you first use it. Either way, I think any person looking to buy a new piece of tech, or a 3D printer specifically, should do their best to consider the product as it is currently sold rather than by past judgments. So in that respect, if they watch your first video and then watch this follow-up, they can rest assured that most issues present with units built before the launch have now been solved. What is most important to me is not if a company has any issues with products, but how they handle them. At least Qidi is using open source as their base and is attempting to stick as close to Klipper as possible, as the community wanted. Plus I know they have excellent customer service. Thank you thank you for this update. Making me very excited to start using my Plus4, my hopefully later today!

[@NoizieWorks]

@@802Garage thanks for the comment! Good take

[@fugitiveminded]

Great perspective, mine as well. Idk of any manufacturer that hasn't had some type of QA issue with a release. Just watched the first video last night and now with this I'm even more confident on choosing this as my new printer!

[@802Garage]

@@fugitiveminded So far the people I know who have early units are very happy. 😁

[@Alexoliveira-ug5mh]

I wouldnt consider anything fixed, unless the manufacturer released a statement or a new revision number.

[@NoizieWorks]

@Alexoliveira-ug5mh i don't think there are part number ons the plastic housing of the bearings. They really think it's not a big deal but apparently it's a problem since the x plus 3 lol

[@Minimaster84]

Great content, looking forward the arrival, placed order yesterday 😀

[@NoizieWorks]

About the rough prints thinking about it. I normally print at 275c on abs so it's probably also a bit of incosistent extrusion. Will do reprint with propper temps so look at the community tab tomorrow for on update on that. Also look around for youtubers with a lot more hours on it, i only had about a week.

[@mickeymallette2663]

Great information! I appreciate honesty in reviews. I didn't hear anything in your last video or this one that was negative, just your experience. Querstion: If the price difference is not a major factor, would you say that the Bambu X1C is. abetter choice (currently) for someone with less 3D printing experience. I have had a bed slinger for a couple of years, but was an XY Core machine. I want the X1C, but had hoped Bambu Labs would release a bigger volume bed option.

[@NoizieWorks]

@@mickeymallette2663 100% yes, it's probably THE beginiest friendly printer out there or like i call it the APPLE of the printers. But prusa and qidi are getting very close

[@Robothut]

Thank you for the update. Great job.

[@john_beardon]

The loose bearing issue has actually been present on the X-Plus 3 and X-Max 3 printers which seem to use a similar clamping method between the toolhead and bearing sleeve. Makes your issue doubly poor as Qidi even have a video they send out for the 3 series printers showing you how to disassemble the toolhead and stuff packing foam into it.

[@NoizieWorks]

@johnbeardon4475 thanks for the news.... this sucks

[@Alexoliveira-ug5mh]

@@NoizieWorks That's bloody unacceptable if you ask me. Giving the consumer a workaround, instead of sending a new unit or at least a new part for the consumer.

[@NoizieWorks]

@Alexoliveira-ug5mh I have send them a bit of a spicy email that it's unacceptable. Will see what turns out of it but they are probably starting to hate me a little 😅

[@Alexoliveira-ug5mh]

@@NoizieWorks I've only started watching your videos last week and so far, I am loving your content. Keep giving us your honest opinion and we will always have your back. I am looking for a new 3D printer to buy, but the fact that QIDI couldnt get a simple component right, worries me. Not even my old UPBOX has a play like that. How heavy is that Gantry? Do you know? A 3D printer gantry should be as light as a feather, it's a FDM and not removing material like a CNC router, where a rigid and heavy gantry favors the design.

[@locusm]

Thanks for the update. Looking at my first printer since 2018 and this makes the Bambu look like its worth the extra cash.

[@gregorypfeifer9117]

The Bambu crowd is OBNOXIOUS. Grant from 3DM got insane hate from that crowd after he pointed out some concerns and issues with their machines. They are blindly loyal for no reason. Qidi support has been damn good in my opinion, starting with their older machines (I mates) they were more than helpful with any issues I had, even with helping me troubleshoot mods on the older machines. Their support is top tier!

[@Muffins-lx8xd]

Ordered one, just waiting for it to arrive!

[@NoizieWorks]

@Muffins-lx8xd woohoo make room it's a big boy

[@ScottTate1AndOnly]

As an early model beta tester, it is 100% expected to have issues.....Since the printer you received was pre-market, that makes you one of the beta testers. I think its good to know that the update, which will be on every new printer shipping I would assume, addresses those beta issues.

[@ScottTate1AndOnly]

Glad to hear the foam fixed your bearing issue....hopefully mine doesn't suffer from that issue, but at least the fix is easy.

[@NoizieWorks]

@@ScottTate1AndOnly i'm crossing all fingers!

[@ATLnJP]

VERY happy you popped up on my recommendations and YOU have earned a sub. Honest review, and Fanboy Fighter! Keep it up, and see you in the next one! I'm a Prusa user (not a Fanboy, but a fan of) and have MK4s along with the Creality K1Max. Nice to see another competitor other than Bambu doing more at this build volume.

[@NoizieWorks]

It's ok to love a brand, just don't be an Ahole about it. Thanks brother ✌️

[@ATLnJP]

@@NoizieWorks That is why I decided to try the K1Max. I wanted the open source of Prusa with the enclosure and reasonable CoreXY of Bambu. Honestly I think the Bambu would have been a better out of the box experience. There are tons of quality issues with the Creality and the software has no preset profiles for any nozzles other than 0.4. But for the price…you get what you pay for. Glad to see Qidi higher up on the list of viable alternatives. Next is how open is the system to modding…?

[@NoizieWorks]

@ATLnJP can't be more open then klipper imo. If you know your way in the config it's everything you want.

[@JohnDoe-ot5ir]

Great update. I'm very excited for this printer and I currently own bambu p1s and x1c. My plus 4 is arriving soon and looking forward to it.

[@DarkenedFin]

I like the Plus 4 a lot, especially because it's running on Klipper. However the skipping of the first batch is probably wise, because the bearing issue is by far the worst of the teething problems that you faced. Firmware will fix a lot of these issues, but can't glue (?) a bearing in place. This might be my new printer, but I'll wait until the Qidi AMS equivalent is out.

[@Alexoliveira-ug5mh]

smart move. Let them iron out all the issues first. The new AMS will have some issues for sure. I've learned my lesson and stopped being an early adopter.

[@SuperSolo67]

Outstanding update. The fanboys drinking the Kool-Aid are clowns and not worth the time. I followed many 3d printer content creators until it became clear they sold their soul to the devil and were just shills for the man. Delete. Your honesty is needed in this industry for those that are willing to listen. I made the jump from Prusa MK3 to X-Plus 3 and have never regretted it. Keep up the great work.

[@NoizieWorks]

@SuperSolo67 still need to do more testing and give it more time but so far👌 about the other content creators 🤷‍♂️ to bad but we do have quite a few i trust on the topic.

[@Twistedmetal-qe8kx]

Really excellent indepth review. Looks like a great machine.

[@Amn2k9]

While owning a Bambu Lab X1C I love the fact that more and more brands now come out with great comparable printers, that may even have even more or better features. This will definitely add to the innovation and competition between the different brands. So Win Win for us all. :) Bambu need to present something new soon to keep up. :) If I had space enough at home, this Qidi Plus 4 could be pretty attractive.

[@NoizieWorks]

plenty of rumors on the X2 so they better be bigger imo but yes competition is what makes everybody better in the long run!

[@delsydsoftware]

I'm keeping an eye on this printer for now. I've been thrilled with my Xmax 3, but I bought it after all of the engineering and firmware issues from the first batches were fixed.

[@chrisgenovese8188]

fingers crossed for a Black Friday sale! i LOVE my Q1 Pro, and if it goes down to $700 i'll scoop one up right away...oh who am i kidding, i'll spend the $800 too.

[@ScottTate1AndOnly]

The process was exactly the same for mine! Great job!

[@Mr1FTW]

😄 First! Your reaction to fanboys made me slap that subscription-button immediately. Honesty is a key word for good reviews - kudos for that! Second - really nice follow-up since I´m on the fence on buying this (and CMS next year) or wait for the Creality K2 Plus for the extra volume, the CFS delivery etc. I really prioritize consistent quality rather than speed when printing functional parts (often ABS) - so there is that. Anyhoo - nice work!

[@802Garage]

EBPMAN Tech Reviews just dropped his review and had a lot of praise for the print quality.

[@TheGabb3r]

Ordered one 3 days ag. I was a big Prusa fan, and after the disapointing MK4 and the ok but too expensive XL, I'm ready to jump on the chinese printer bandwagon.

[@NoizieWorks]

@@TheGabb3r i would love to see more EU printers featured so that's why i got a ratrig but i would love the XL... pricing feels a bit like an issue right now for the XL so i hope they "update" the mk4 to 2025

[@Jerrie-Lenore]

Yeah, The factory i worked at bought the MK4 because brand loyalty. I always joked I could print circles around it with my less expensive Xmax3 both literally and in speed 🤣

[@Jerrie-Lenore]

​@@NoizieWorksfor the price of the XL build volume the SV08 makes the bloody shrieking fans seem tolerable 😂

[@mikecrane2782]

@@NoizieWorks Have a look at the ProForge 300 (was a 250) it’s UK based and I’ve been impressed with it, not bought one yet, but seen the 250 at a trade show, and it’s been improved since then. I have had a X1C Combo close on 2 years now, and using Orca slicer have seen constant improvements, bought add ins for it, and I hope they bring a bigger one out too, but I’ll pass on this and the Qidi, as a toolchanger is my next must have.

[@NoizieWorks]

@mikecrane2782 valid reasons brother, will have a look around thanks for the suggestion 👍

[@JoeyBagZ]

Great video, I already have a A1 and have been considering a P1 or X1C, this looks more promising 👍🏼

[@freedomofmotion]

Thanks for the rapid update. Be sure to rest up you appear to have been non stop. I think I'm going to buy one of these and pack in my kobra 2 max. The sacrifice in build volume seems worth it to me.

[@NoizieWorks]

@freedomofmotion thanks brother!

[@krzysiekb.3439]

If Bambu releases a printer of this size, it will be priced very high. They currently have only one printer with heated chamber, which is X1E, and it is two times more expensive than regular X1C. X1E costs about four times more than the Quidi Plus 4.

[@TylerTroglen]

Q1 Pro had broken online update at first also... you would have thought they would have learned from that mistake. Same with PLR. If they were issues on the last model, you gotta make sure they are good to go day one on the next.

[@JasonTaylor-i3v]

I don't under stand why people would be mad about this printer. It's exactly what they wanted from bambu, a P1S with a touch screen and larger print volume. It's got auto z, which is what I've been waiting for, multi material coming next year and a chamber heater to boot. Once the qidi box or whatever it's called drops bambu is going to have issues if they haven't released a large printer by then. I think your being a little harsh on the need for this printer to be 100% perfect out the box. Products that cost way more will suck on there first production runs. Also unfortunately the loose print head bearings isn't a new thing. My X plus 3 had the same issue and Qidi has a fix document that has you do the exact same thing that you did. I will be getting the plus 4 but I'll wait a few months to let the firmware mature.

[@awildridehome9469]

I have no problem waiting till’ 2025 Q1 for the QidiBox, i’m sure we’ll have a lower price if you get a combo, and perhaps some sales or discount codes once we get there. That way i’ll also avoid the early growing pains.

[@atvking535]

Great video! 100% agree it needs to be an unbox/setup and press play printer to truly compete with Bambu Lab. Going from a few years of heavily modded Creality machines to an X1C I wont ever go back to a machine that needs fiddling to even work right. I like to spend my time designing prints and trusting that they will print, not fixing my printer so it will even print. The bed levelling is still a touch concerning for me because I had many issues with probing and auto Z offsets in Klipper but that's likely due to the setup and quality of the aftermarket probes I used so we'll see! I will be keeping an eye on this machine because the price to feature ratio cannot be denied. But to be honest, the X1C can already print some pretty exotic materials and with the same amount of time spent to do a couple small mods to the X1C (chamber heater and thermistor wire resistance mods) as you may have to spend getting this up to the same "press print and walk away" quality level as the X1C, the X1C can achieve a higher (than stock) hotend temp and heat the chamber to the same temp as the Plus 4. TL;DR - Looks promising but needs more time to see if they improve the out of the box experience. If they do, I would 100% buy the Plus 4 over a P1S or X1C, especially if/when they release their version of an AMS. If you already own an X1C and don't need the additional build plate volume, then the X1C can be modded very easily to print pretty much all of the same materials.

[@NoizieWorks]

They both have a place in the market for sure

[@soggymarshmallow]

I'd likely have committed to a printer system this year if it wasn't for the USD300 to USD400 shipping charge (ex-CN) for most vendors.

[@john_beardon]

Did you work out what version of Klipper is installed? Is it Mainline and updateable via Fluidd or (like the x3 series) a custom version that cannot be updated (without jumping through a bunch of hoops, re-flashing the emmc and starting from scratch)? Cheers and keep up the stellar work.

[@john_beardon]

Sorry, just read through the comments and saw the Klipper install is dirty. That answers my question but I really, really wish that manufacturers in general would not do this.

[@802Garage]

@@john_beardon My understanding is it is a much closer to clean Klipper install than their previous attempts and is at least more up to date and fully featured. Should be much easier to keep up to date going forward.

[@ipadize]

they should definitely fix the translations as well

[@csupakabra4]

I easily choose update as a first thing over 200 EUR more cost. The bearing is another story. If other harder to reach parts could be messed up like that, that is a real issue.

[@saturnmedia1]

What do you mean? What has more cost?

[@csupakabra4]

@@saturnmedia1 I'm referring to what he said around 7:40

[@saturnmedia1]

@@csupakabra4 ah okay. Compared to buying a bambu?

[@OZtwo]

The only issue I have is buying any item when it is first released as all items will have issues. Long ago I bought my first 3d printer based on 6-1 year review of how the printer works. That printer being the X-Plus (version 1.0) which is working perfectly to this day. So yes, I will give this printer 6 months before buying. Again the only issue here is that the market is changing day by day and is why I haven't upgraded yet. (I really want an updated X-Max) At the end, I want you do find anything and everything that is wrong about this printer. This is the only way we get good printers.

[@NoizieWorks]

@OZtwo i want the xmax4! Yeah the market is buzzing right now.

[@hanakang2794]

What are your thought comparing QIDI Plus 4's print quality to X1C or P1S?

[@ChristopherPerrin]

I have been thinking about getting this printer because my Ender 3 Pro had a long life now that is slowly coming to an end. You made me think again though because of the things you said about not getting the first batch because of fixes in later revisiosns. Do you have any examples of things that got fixed on other printers with newer revisions and do you know if Qidi sends out kits to retrofit older revisions?

[@theSilentCutter]

I am waiting for Bambu to make a bigger printer!!!

[@NoizieWorks]

@@theSilentCutter i hope they do!

[@wabbitguy]

Just curious if the top and door need to be open when printing materials like PLA, PETG or TPU. Or could the carbon filter extracting fan be used to mitigate the heat from building inside? BTW loved the fan boy rant 🙂

[@NoizieWorks]

@wabbitguy in my experience everything could stay closed but overhangs could be performing weaker

[@wabbitguy]

@@NoizieWorks excellent! I have an X-PLUS 3 and the thing is a work horse. I put risers on the lid and the chamber gets to up 38C when printing and overhangs are fine (I might be able to do the same with the PLUS 4). I'm looking forward to the colour option coming in 2025, if it handles more than four colours, I'll get one for sure.

[@NoizieWorks]

If i have to guess i'm probably going to get a sample so stay tuned! It will be my first mmu ever so pretty exited

[@wabbitguy]

@@NoizieWorks you bet. I've got a PRUSA MK3S/MMU2S with over 8,000hrs on it and it's finally starting to show signs of getting tired so I'm looking at options. I did have an X1C/AMS for a short period of time but I think I got the one that was made at 5pm on a Friday. Or maybe after an office party...and as a retired developer I couldn't get comfortable with the closed source. Thus, rest assured, I'm subscribed!

[@NoizieWorks]

@wabbitguy thanks! Yeah not being able to tweak even the firmware is a no go for me too. Klipper is the way!

[@johnstarkey2625]

What rock have you been living under if you just now heard of "Fanboys"? LOL. Anyway, I think comparing ANYTHING to Bambu is unfair. To both. In this way. Bambu brought a printer to the market that had previously been unseen. With features that NO ONE was offering. So for other brands to start offering those features without some growing pains is a big ask. Also, who said anyone has caught up with bambu? Everyone else is only where bambu was 2 years ago. We don't even know where bambu is TODAY. What previously unseen features are they working on? What might we see next? I love Qidi stuff. I love it even more now that they have brought a bigger "Bambu" to the market for $800! I love Bambu stuff because its innovative. Now, I wish a company would leap frog bambu and show us something new. But instead they are staying 2 years behind them. They have NOT caught up.

[@NoizieWorks]

@johnstarkey2625 thanks for your take! Never encountered 3d printing fanboys like this for sure.

[@keiz_]

Some mates I have allegedly have said Bambu has some people in the community testing out the X2 currently, but there's no word on the P2, or when the X2 will even be out though, since testing has been more recently.

[@IamMrDisaster]

Qidi has been leading the consumer market in many ways as well. For example they are the only one with a chamber heater at hobby prices. In the end competition is good for everyone.

[@NoizieWorks]

@keiz_ as I suspect, hope they finally make it bigger. Will sell like crazy

[@calilifestyle]

At 7min in you talk about he firmware update. One thing i do normally is check if anything i plugin has a firmware update. Even my HUE light get updates. One problem i see is that i check the MFG for updates. At this time The Plus4 does not show an update, so that's a problem,

[@omarforbes]

I was thinking about getting a Bambu p1s but I can’t stop thinking about the Qidi plus 4. It has so much going for it compared to the P1s. Hopefully the ams for this machine would be good. I want to get this to replace my Neptune 2s

[@NoizieWorks]

@omarforbes time will tell, if it's out i'm getting the ams for sure! Hope it's not gonna suck

[@willofthemaker]

Really tempted to get this printer. Do you think it's good to wait to work out some more bugs like you had on the lower bearing?

[@NoizieWorks]

@@willofthemaker yes, It's always better

[@MM-fr7mz]

Noizie is the NEW KING of product reviews.

[@NoizieWorks]

That's a bit much but thanks!

[@waitwhat8270]

As of right now would you rather recommend the K1 Max or the Qidi? They cost exactly the same. Multicolor is not a necessity for me.

[@NoizieWorks]

Qidi for sure if you are looking into print with hight temp cf gf filaments

[@802Garage]

Definitely Qidi. The K1 series in general has some fundamental flaws with stiffness and the extruder design.

[@Andre_M_3D]

I do like this printer. And considering getting one. And I have quite a few printers and having the wheels on the bed is a great option. So many people added manual wheels and springs under their print beds. So you can't please everyone I guess. And there is nothing worse than fanboys. It's OK to like a company but getting upset because someone likes something else or has a different opinion is crazy. I have 4 printers from 3 different companies. They all have their good and bad.

[@NoizieWorks]

@Andre_M_3D YES! It's about the community enjoying a hobby. 400$ machine or 20k it's all the same imo. Fanboys are the poison of any community.

[@riverracer]

Wait your turn, we are still waiting for them to fix the X-Plus 3 problems, they have released 2 new printers and still we have problems with the previous flagships...

[@NoizieWorks]

@@riverracer i can only talk about the 2 i tested and how the company has been since then. Didn't they release a few updates to fix that thing? Sos printing(probably wrong name) confirmed that they solved it eventually.

[@TheScottcool]

thanks for your great review ,i have 2 bambu p1s printers and this is the first printer that i have seen that has better specs at a similler price ,so when they have ironed out the problems i will buy one . PS not a fan boy 😂😂😂

[@MakerViking]

Good video. :)

[@LEMONIZE]

Another reviewer said their printer would occasionally freeze and had to be restarted each time it happened. Does this also happen with yours?

[@NoizieWorks]

@LEMONIZE no not on the p4, i do have it on the Q1 Pro occasionally and deleting all print files and print cache fixes things back to normal for the next xx amount of prints.

[@NoMercyFtw]

Qidi printers r way better than other printers especially bambu because they lack one important feature which is a heater, some people feel like they did something when they bought a bamboo and they can actually print by pushing a button on an app and then sell overpriced plastic to unknowing customers.......... Someone really needs to make a multi material system that's compatible with multiple types of printers or just klipper I know it has to be possible, and yes I know there's other ones out there that are not that expensive and takes a while to print the parts and calibrate

[@NoizieWorks]

they both have a place in the market but just need a bit of a reality check

[@NoMercyFtw]

@@NoizieWorks oh yeah of course, I always recommend a Q1 Pro to anyone as long as they don't need multicolor or multi-material printing, The Q1 Pro is best bang for your buck on the market today.

[@woodcat7180]

Does is use vanilla Klipper or modified like the Q1?

[@NoizieWorks]

It's dirty so no fluidd updates

[@Fleshybitz]

qidi tungsten carbide vs bimetal hotend, which is better as the free gift?

[@NoizieWorks]

No clue, the bimetal is stock so maybe try out the tungsten?

[@Fleshybitz]

Thanks I got the tungsten

[@NoizieWorks]

@@Fleshybitz let me know what the difference is

[@paulpardee]

Yes, you should always update your printer when you get it - essentially all hardware will benefit from new drivers/firmware - BUT you shouldn't have to do it to have a functional product! It should work as designed out of the box except for edge cases. That's a sign of a rushed product, and rushed products are a sign of a poorly managed company.

[@NoizieWorks]

@@paulpardee great take!

[@willofthemaker]

Sovol sv08 with enclosure or qidi plus 4? Especially for ABS and other high temp materials

[@spooknik-z3t]

Qidi Plus 4 seems better. It has a chamber heater and it's a smaller build volume, which is quicker to heat up. SV08 is based on the Voron 2.4 which has a really complicated flying gantry design, the Qidi Plus 4 is a simpler design and less to go wrong. It also appears to have fewer launch problems than the SV08, but there just hasn't been enough time to know the long term reliability of either machine to be honest.

[@NoizieWorks]

@spooknik-z3t i agree! I wished to have it a lot sooner before launch but look around. Apparently there are reviewers with almost a month on it instead of a week like me.

[@atvking535]

With the SV08 you could follow along and do the multi-head/tool changer mod that Teaching Tech is currently working on. Sounds like he's going to do a complete guide once the process is done and it looks very promising. The goal is a Prusa XL at a fraction of the cost and so far the total cost is like 1/3 that of the Prusa with very little left to spend on.

[@NoizieWorks]

@@atvking535 sounds great

[@spooknik-z3t]

@@atvking535 Yes i'm aware of this project! It's very cool and I can't wait to see the end product. But it's going to be an uphill battle to get it anywhere as usable as the Prusa XL., There's a lot of missing pieces to that design, it's not as simple as just duplicating the toolhead 4 times. The secret is in the docking, undocking, and pruging and how that's handled. The XL has a lot more hardware onboard to make sure the docking is working correctly. Like a hall effect sensor on each toolhead and dock.

[@jnssmnsn]

That horrible Z quality is a dealbreaker for me.

[@NoizieWorks]

Have to do a test but like my pinned comment says, it's bed meshing in all layers so they forgot to enable a bed mesh fade. Could explain it

[@sentlon]

too early to judge a good printer

[@NoizieWorks]

@@sentlon yes

[@ethirion3534]

dude the first thing you do is update the firmware... like with literally everything, PC gets a Bios update and you download the newest drivers, my robot vacuum got its firmware update first before doing anything else... i really think you should reconsider your stance on this topic. do you expect the company to keep 10k+ machines sitting in some warehouse on the newest firmware? the unglued bearing is 100% a QC Problem and if you as a reviever got such a machine i 100% agree that some other consumer will get the same issue and it is a valid point to point out. no mater how much they tell you that "you're the only one" It just felt like you were a little rushed in that review because you had to leave the country in less than 12 hours and still had to shoot and edit the video. otherwise a good review.

[@NoizieWorks]

@ethirion3534 I agree, i also do but shipping it in a way that even auto update doesn't work 🤷‍♂️ most systems prompt you as soon as you connect to wifi so that's what i would like to see in the future. Even the creality K series work that way. It's rushed for sure and i do apologize a bit. Didn't anticipate a shit show lol but that's ok it's a first look and not a review like i stated in the beginning of that video. I'm aware that i occasionally say review/reviewing but in the grand scheme i am 🙂 thanks for the comment!

[@ethirion3534]

@@NoizieWorks I must have missed the part about the auto update. Sorry for that! In that case you are full on in the right to point it out as a fault and i take back my criticism. I hope you don't let yourself be put down because of fanboys or unfounded criticism and keep your open mind as you have shown me in your response.

[@eaman11]

I don't know man, I see a lot of z-banding on those prints...

[@NoizieWorks]

@eaman11 it could possibly be underextruding on 260c and 300mm/s. I usually run 275 on those speeds but more testing needs to be done for the final review and that's going to take time so wait it out, nothing wrong with that.

[@eaman11]

@@NoizieWorks Man you gotta do the Simple Z banding/wobble test tower , and film it with a light on top mooving the camera. That ghost look suspicious.

[@NoizieWorks]

@@eaman11 will do!

[@NoizieWorks]

Btw picture tomorrow on the community page for the fast answer if temp is the problem

[@NoizieWorks]

Ok brother hear me out, have been looking into it new print some slicer tweaks same issue. I now found out that the bed is still "bed meshing" past layer 230... so it's self induced z-wobble as the bed is constantly moving. I'm going to bring it up to qidi cause it looks like they forgot to turn on bed mesh fade... 🙈

[@JeffBlack1968]

I don't see updating it as a problem. Everything else you own the first thing you have to do is update it. Your new cell phone, computer, even my new truck, so I don't see why this would be any different. It took less then 5 minutes to download and plug the USB into the printer and you're acting like you just lost half of a year of your life. How much more professional can they get buy fixing all of the problems in a few days.

[@NoizieWorks]

I think you missed the point slightly, it's a matter of broken features on new products that get shipped like this. Even ota upates not working in 2024 is shameful but thanks for your take.

[@eaman11]

OMG you are gonna waste so much electricity if you heat up that whole thing for hours just to dry a roll of filament! Please don't do that.

[@NoizieWorks]

@eaman11 once it's hot the power consumption drops but you gave me an idea for the review!

[@Jerrie-Lenore]

The XP4 has more chamber insulation than any filament drying system on the market and can do multiple spools. Once at temperature its more efficient. Also an excellent use of idle machines in a print shop with no additional hardware or space. I planned to add insulation to my XM3 for this purpose, but qidi heard us and implemented it in X4 series.

[@eaman11]

@@Jerrie-Lenore Come on man: that is a 3d printer! Do you see all the stuff inside that has to be heated? No waaaaaay that it's more efficient than a small filament dryer!

[@Jerrie-Lenore]

@@eaman11 good point! Like Project Farm says... "We're going to test that!" I too would like to know. Especially as I'm considering the polymaker poly dry system.

[@William3DP]

2:08 "PLA is not that sensitive to moisture.." What? WHAT????

[@NoizieWorks]

in relation to nylon-PVB-PETG_TPU ... no i don't say it can't get wet and it will but they don't want you to use the printer chamber because of the low melting point.

[@William3DP]

@@NoizieWorks Thank you for that explanation. I have not ordered the Qidi Plus 4, at least not yet. I have an X-Max 3 and an X-Smart 3, which are my main printers. They have both been serving me well. I am impressed with the Qidi printers because they are more focused on making printers that can print high-strength materials to make strong, functional parts. As great as the Plus 4 sounds, I am not sure if it is enough of an advancement over my X-Max 3 to make it worthwhile for me at this time. I have hopes that Qidi will make an 'Max 4' with a bigger build volume than the Plus 4 but with the same functionality. What I would like even more would be for Qidi to update their iFast dual-extruder printer (which also has a heated chamber) with a larger build volume and high-speed kinematics, but I think that is only a dream right now...

[@NoizieWorks]

@William3DP xmax4 🤌🤌 idex will be the next best (affordable) thing. Ratrig is also looking like a nice idex setup so far. I'm building a unit and probably upgrade it later to idex.