The VGN Dragonfly F1 Pro MAX 4K is Seriously IMPRESSIVE!

[@fungalcoffee]

Its always nice to see reviews for cheaper options

[@jerrorr]

And it’s nice to do them! My wallet likes doing them also 😊

[@AimAdapt]

Nice video! A lot of good info in here :)

[@jerrorr]

Thanks Liam!

[@jatnielpascoal2591]

nice video, really nice, loving to see we performance data. ty

[@jerrorr]

Thanks!

[@petergamercf]

Nice video, hugs from Brazil

[@jerrorr]

Thanks!

[@UldisBiz]

For whoever is interested, I purchased this VGN Dragonfly Moba edition (same as Pro Max but with Huano switches) for Fortnite and I love it. Very light, small. As mentioned in review, I was looking for a version with easy clicks, and I guess Huano switches are more suitable for that. If it matters to you, probably better find Moba version. Very easy to click, no issues. Replaced the default slides with Ice v2 slides, put on custom grips (stock grips are fine, I just like my tools to look like weapons and not artwork or toys) and no complaints. Battery lasts like forever. I asked a Fortnite coach about the mouse and he suggested this one. I was willing to fork out way more money for Logitech Superlight but he said there's no need, it's not going to create any advantage, price is just due to marketing hype and brand name. I'm a casual gamer just sharing my finds. For me personally, it took a while to adapt to how small and light it is (I was on Glorious Model I with multiple extra buttons before) but if you are used to small-mid size mice this one might be good choice for you.. Regarding Chinese, in a recent release there is an option to switch to English, however, it doesn't work consistently (you've selected English, but sometimes it still shows Chinese when you open it). But, the truth is, you probably need to use the software only once, as your settings are stored in the mouse. I'm not running the VGN hub in the background as there's no need.

[@traizerYT]

Ok thanks for ur recommendation but for Fortnite do I get the F1 PRO that’s all u can afford it doesn’t have that switches ur talking about and also are the side buttons good? And is there any delay in Fortnite while using the mouse

[@UldisBiz]

@@traizerYT side buttons are the same on all versions, and I love them, especially for Fortnite BR. I have a ramp and wall assigned to side buttons and I can place them in an almost instant succession because I kind of just slide my finger over these 2 buttons in one smooth movement (with some other mice I couldn't do it that way). And it is very easy to distinguish where my finger is, so I never mess up with side buttons. Last time I checked PRO and Moba were the same price, and the only difference is Kheil vs Huano switches (both are fine switches, so don't overthink it. I prefer Huano but it doesn't mean Kheil is shit, just a bit different feel). No delay in FN, I have been playing for 4 months, and it is my preferred mouse (we've got a bunch of others at home) for FN BR. I personally replaced the skates with Esports Tiger Ice v2 skates but it is not mandatory, just my preference. I don't use a 4K dongle, so can't comment. I hope it helps.

[@zin369]

just bought this, good review

[@jerrorr]

Thanks!

[@OlicheckGamingTech]

Nice video man! I can't wait mine to arrive now 😁

[@jerrorr]

Thanks man! What version did you order?

[@OlicheckGamingTech]

@@jerrorr The same 😄 The F1 Pro Max in white with the 4K dongle.

[@jerrorr]

@@OlicheckGamingTech nice 😍

[@Escaldi]

Excellent review 👍

[@jerrorr]

Thank you very much!

[@ckyzai9735]

Just ordered the Moba version from VGN taobao store for 239 rmb which translate to $33 included shipping. Unbelievably cheap for a mouse of this specs. Side note im like yourself own a Viper v2 Pro and Pulsar X2 Aim Trainer, can't wait to compare it with these 2.

[@jerrorr]

Damn that’s a good price! Hope you enjoy it as much as I do 👍

[@goodush]

what you think about it after 6 month? if you're still here :)

[@ch1caum]

good review

[@jerrorr]

Thanks!

[@mil-kw9zi]

Just got mine and it feels like a slimmer and lower zowie s2. Really great mouse overall

[@jerrorr]

It sure is a great mouse!

[@budgetking2591]

I heard the software is Chinese only, some people were not able to get 4k hz pollingrate to work.

[@jerrorr]

It is 😂 I linked aim adapt’s video in the description where he shows how it’s done

[@UldisBiz]

there's now option to switch to English as well. It is not always 100% working but it is there when you need it. And, you'll probably only need it once as you don't need to run software in the background.

[@jerrorr]

@@UldisBiz that’s good info!

[@Chaos.Studios]

I though the logitech g pro x superlight was a long name... but this... 🤣

[@jerrorr]

IMO it’s missing a word like Ultimate and then a version number from the end 😌 F1 Pro Max Ultimate V2 4K HD ABC would be cooler

[@herr00195]

When I touch the part under the forward and backward button on my product, I feel a space, it seems like it is moving forward. Do you have this too, or is it completely harsh?

[@jerrorr]

Sry I don’t have the mouse assembled currently

[@hardstick9410]

whats the downside of this you well need to buy the 4k dongle separately unlike in darmoshark m3 4k

[@jerrorr]

Good point

[@smurfetnotmuppet1297]

Hi may we see a review video about Delux M800 Pro wireless with PAW3395... comparison video would be cool too~

[@jerrorr]

I have a video about that mouse on my channel! It had a really high motion delay and overall the quality is quite bad.

[@Randallel80]

Could you help recommend me a mouse to buy? I'm conflicted between the NP-01S Wireless and Dragonfly F1 Moba. Which shape do you prefer and which one has better build quality? I heard that Vaxee mice have switch grinding.

[@jerrorr]

Vaxee has superior build quality with the cost of additional weight. Vaxee also has the best possible 1k wireless available. Vgn is one of the best mouse you can get for under 50 dollars. Shape wise np01s is more ergoish and vgn more ambi. What is your hand size and gripstyle? And what mouse have you used before and what that particular shape feels to you?

[@digulous9]

nice video

[@jerrorr]

Thanks!

[@RelaxingSounds-ih8qd]

when are u reviewing the delux m800 ultra???

[@jerrorr]

Can’t say yet. I’ll try to get a copy for review 👍

[@VoltaReviews]

Got the MOBA version on the way and I’m hyped to test it out 🔥 Nice work 🫡

[@jerrorr]

I hope it suits you well!

[@animekiss3311]

Have the moba ver using it for 2 weeks now and its awesome. clicks are so so great spam able with transparent blue pink dot switch and the 4k hz so so nice love it

[@VoltaReviews]

@@animekiss3311 Nice! Still waiting on mine so I’m very jealous 😅 Glad you’re enjoying it

[@elmariachi5133]

Hello! Is VXE dragonfly the same as VGN Dragonfly?

[@jerrorr]

Yes it is 👍

[@MinKhant-rf6kn]

Hello is it hard or soft to press scroll wheel ?

[@jerrorr]

Kinda in-between

[@napsy27]

Hey, just got mine, did you have any trouble with 1k+ polling rate? I couldn't get it to work with Apex, Minecraft, osu!, and CS2. Using 4k is basically impossible due to the stutter, and 2k is still stuttering but a little less. Its only fine on the desktop

[@jerrorr]

Yeah I had no issues. Might have to do some pc optimization and ofc it depends on your pc how higher polling rates work.

[@napsy27]

@@jerrorr found the cause. It was having discord and chrome open (especially discord) that made the stutter REALLY bad. which is weird cuz my cpu and ram usage stays basically the same between having them open or closed. I'm just gonna stick to 1k because of that. Its a bummer that i can't really use high polling rates without sacrificing an essential app (to me). At least i have two receivers now for home and school...

[@jerrorr]

@@napsy27 have you disabled c-states in BIOS?

[@napsy27]

@jerrorr i didn't, but after disabling it there's no difference. I'll test it on my friend's PC at some point but for now i'm just gonna give up trying to get it to work

[@jerrorr]

@@napsy27 okay, that usually helps! There are multiple c-states options you need to disable though so look up a optimization guide at some point if you want to continue getting it to work 👍

[@Albi.hoxhaa]

should i buy this mouse if i am a fingertip player and should i f1pro or f1pro max?

[@jerrorr]

It has a very low profile so it should suit fingertip grip as well 👍 go with the f1 pro max or the moba imo

[@Albi.hoxhaa]

what is better for gaming moba or pro max?@@jerrorr

[@jerrorr]

@@Albi.hoxhaa they are the same except moba has better switches

[@pingu2481]

what about motion delay, polling consistency, spi timings, and click latency?

[@jerrorr]

Check out 5:38 spot in the video. I can’t talk about click latency since I don’t have an LDAT. Also worth mentioning is I retested the motion delay with more samples and it seems to be around -0.3 less than the control unit so slighty worse than Razer but great for the price.

[@pingu2481]

​@@jerrorr thank youu

[@pingu2481]

@@jerrorr anw, have you tried the fantech aria xd7? I'm planning on buying one. which mice do you think is more worth it? VGN MOBA or the Fantech Aria xd7?

[@jerrorr]

@@pingu2481 no I haven’t sadly. It all comes down to the shape and what you prefer. What is your hand size and gripstyle?

[@t.c.h_11]

what is your handsize?

[@jerrorr]

17,5 x 10,5cm

[@JayB_GB]

Hi i only used a g102 and g403, was going to upgrade to a g pro x superlight but my budget been tight lately, should i save up to buy the g pro or just buy a vgn dragonfly f1 pro max, is it worth the wait or not ? Thanks

[@jerrorr]

For me the VGN is worth it and so far no problems with it 👍 but it all comes down to the shape. What’s your hand size and grip style?

[@JayB_GB]

@@jerrorr im a palm grip user, slight above average hand size but i don't mind smaller mouse since i'm familiar with g102/304 form.

[@jerrorr]

@@JayB_GB the G Pro shape suits palm grip better in my opinion. The Dragonfly has such a low hump in the middle it won't fill your hand like the G Pro does. You could also look up reviews of the Ajazz AJ199 which is basically a smaller G Pro shape. I haven't tried it personally but a lot of people have liked it very much.

[@JayB_GB]

@@jerrorr thanks for the help mate

[@jerrorr]

@@JayB_GB no problem man!

[@joerenfredcuevas8198]

whats better on performance and quality vgn pro max or g pro wireless? / superlight

[@jerrorr]

Wireless performance (motion delay) is better on vgn pro max because of 4K polling. Build quality is still propably better on GPX, because it is a Logitech product after all. Shapewise these are totally different.

[@joerenfredcuevas8198]

@@jerrorr dam i shouldve bought vgn f1 pro max instead of the g pro

[@jerrorr]

@@joerenfredcuevas8198 g pro is a safe choice! Not bad at all

[@joerenfredcuevas8198]

@@jerrorr but like 55g over 80g then 4k hz ;-; but it really doesnt have recognizable polling rate change but its still major for gamers l;ike me

[@jerrorr]

@@joerenfredcuevas8198 oooh you talking about normal GPro! I always assume we are talking about the Superlight when Gpro is mentioned. My bad lol.

[@Azuos2903]

is it at Logitech Superlight Level?

[@jerrorr]

I like it more than the GPX

[@Azuos2903]

@@jerrorr really? at this cost? I was thinking between Dragonfly Moba and superlight red

[@jerrorr]

@@Azuos2903 the only things the superlight has over this are the coating and warranty of the big brands. But it all really depends on how you like the shape. What’s your grip style and hand size?

[@KellyWu04]

What a name

[@jerrorr]

Impressive mouse, impressive name 😂

[@VyreYT]

Hi bro how would u compare this in terms of shape with the GPX superlight? I have the gpx superlight and i dont know, sensor works insane but.. the most important thing, i dont get a consistent grip on it and some times its unconfortable for me. Im using Relaxed Claw grip on it with my 19x10cm hands.

[@jerrorr]

F1 Pro is less filling in hand, lower profile, noticeable button grooves on m1 and 2 and is smaller alltogether. I found the shape to be amazing for relaxed claw.

[@animekiss3311]

how did u put the mouse in performance mode ? in vgn hub

[@jerrorr]

You can do that in the driver software. You can download that from the product page on mechkeys.

[@iceorangutan]

this or the M3s pro?

[@jerrorr]

This

[@RelaxingSounds-ih8qd]

are the side buttons good for fortnite plz rply

[@jerrorr]

Haven’t played fortnite but they are pretty good sidebuttons. Spammable and not much pretravel.

[@RelaxingSounds-ih8qd]

@@jerrorr tysm

[@RelaxingSounds-ih8qd]

@@jerrorr do the side buttons protrude out a lily bit or just average,another thing is the f1 moba in my country costs 10 dollars more that f1 pro,should I get f1 pro but I can swap out the switches for bspt which is costing me less than moba

[@jerrorr]

@@RelaxingSounds-ih8qd they protrude quite a good amount. IMO get the moba. Even with good soldering skills it is always possible to do a bad soldering job and fry your contact points.

[@UldisBiz]

I'm playing FN BR on Moba version. I play like shit but it is not due to the mouse, more due to my age. I use both side buttons for builds without issues.

[@yuenphengchong3563]

What about the click latency for this mouse ?😂

[@jerrorr]

Can’t test it sadly. Would need a LDAT for that.

[@lostboy2637]

4K is able to match Razer mice? lol how can this thing be 40$

[@jerrorr]

I did some more extensive tests afterwards and the motion delay on this is more like -0.3ms compared to around -0.5ms in razer 4k. But still, incredible for the price. It basically the same as Lamzu 4k.

[@bosiorne2292]

found one used for 27 euro

[@jerrorr]

Oh wow, that’s a nice price for sure!

[@EnnTomi1]

no ergo, next.

[@DayLaMotKenhYoutube005]

Wtf? You can go find an ergo mouse? And this is still suitable for people using palm or palm claw to claw or finger tip btw, you stupid

[@Надаль7]

продал))

[@jerrorr]

это хорошо!