The Victims of LeBron James

[@a18yearoldonyoutubeluigi]

As a Raptors fan, Lebron is still kind of a sleep paralysis demon for me, but that blow is definitely softened with the 2019 championship.

[@zacharyyamashita8554]

As a Warriors fan you earned that 2019 title fair and square, 2016 still stings me.

[@jcgocrazy]

As soon as the demon was exorcised from the Eastern Conference it was able to bounce back

[@stevencoardvenice]

​​​@@zacharyyamashita8554as a Laker fan I enjoyed that series. Wish KD hadn't gone down. the fact that the rockets took GSW to 7, and the raptors eliminated GSW, shows that the 96 bulls definitely could have beat the warriors. Just have to keep it low scoring and ugly. Plus curry had a habit of choking until the 2022 finals. Michael never choked. He LOVEd having the ball in his hands during the last 2 minutes

[@offswitchtv109]

@stevencoardvenice 2 seperate years man... GSW vs Rockets west conf was 2018, rockets lost in 6 in 2019. Seriously know your shit before you comment something stupid. Also no one ever comps the 2019 or 2019 warriors to beat the 96 bulls. They do it with the 2017 warriors. Again, know your shit before you do something stupid.

[@ckthegreat100]

@@zacharyyamashita8554Thank you!!! No one wants to give us our respect for that ring. As if we’re the only team to ever win against a beat up roster

[@ThyArtIsMetal]

Dude you pretty much single-handedly get me into basketball over the past year, keep up the great content!

[@evixtis]

now is the perfect time to get into basketball, Enjoy it !

[@coryjohnson2486]

I don’t even like watching basketball (I’m a HUGE NFL fan), but Dylan is so dang good at doing videos… so I watch them even tho I don’t keep up with basketball 😂

[@brenenfn5020]

@@evixtis yea this is one of the best seasons by far

[@thesharinganknight]

@@coryjohnson2486College is better bro, but respect it

[@al1bg163]

Same bro

[@bangaamen501]

Dude, your videos are incredible. Keep up the great work and I appreciate you. Celebrating greatness rather be MJ, LbJ, Kobe, etc is always dope

[@canjoestar1449]

you my man is a true nba fan take this👑

[@bigredracecar27]

Cant wait till he talks about Kobe's victims 😂😂

[@diesenatz]

Next you should do the victims of Josh Giddey

[@808Cowboy]

😂😂😂😂

[@JamesBrown-jw4hw]

Wrong website bro 🗿

[@youknodavibes9601]

just had to say that I am absolutely in love with the use of Pokemon soundtracks in these docs Dylan - NBA and Pokemon, two of my fav things. you truly are a man of class

[@shadowmamba95]

Ah, the 2018 ECSF against Toronto. My favorite prediction I made. I am one of the few that say that not only would LeBron beat Toronto, but would actually sweep them.

[@MistahJay7]

KD is like 6-22 against LeBron without the Warriors

[@baconeggcheesepodcast9390]

Wow frfr

[@quentinhans4755]

Wait really?

[@nintendoconvert4045]

Favorite part was Toronto winning a championship. Damn, that was ballsy to trade your best player for a one-year rental in Kawhi and hire a rookie head coach in Nurse, but you pulled it off. Respect ✊

[@deepwaterrehab7685]

I loved to see them win one, but they were extremely blessed by GSW’s injuries

[@nintendoconvert4045]

@@deepwaterrehab7685 yeah, we can play the what-if game, but at the end of the day, the records show they are champions and that is all that matters.

[@MaxMurray-yk6ny]

​​@@deepwaterrehab7685that Philly series before it was one of the best ecf in recent history

[@PatrickMcCawFitnessOfficial]

@@nintendoconvert4045 Not just hiring a rookie head coach, but firing the Coach of the Year

[@crazyturkturk1733]

especially given the circumstances of the warriors existing. if it were any other year with KD they would have gotten rolled but everything aligned perfectly for the rental to work how they wanted. even as a warriors fan i respect that W immensely, high risk, high reward and it paid off.

[@mikesemie5028]

The Chosen One, The L-Train, King James. Dudes so transcendent that those three nicknames are individual prophecies, coronations, and physical truths that just NEVER stop.

[@CashMoolah00]

The L-Train 😂😂😂😂😂

[@thecall0ut]

Lebron: most playoff loses all-time ✔, most committed turnovers all-time ✔, most shots taken all-time (but he's pass 1st?) ✔, most missed shots all-time ✔, only player to be Swept in 3 finals series ✔ worst +/- in NBA finals history -86 ✔ 2nd worst NBA finals record all-time 4-6 ✔ that's not a top 5 player all-time......

[@myper4941]

@@thecall0utbro acting like Bron didn’t face the greatest team ever assembled for 4 of those 6 losses + had no help. the year he did have help, he won the chip ☠️☠️

[@thecall0ut]

​@@myper4941 So is the GSW without KD considered the greatest? Or is it when he joined them? Are the old Spurs with rookie Kawhi considered the greatest? GSW with KD can be considered, but it's just Curry and KD as the superstars, like Lebron and Kyrie in Cleveland. Draymond is a defensive role player, who was trash when he had to carry the team when everyone was injured. Do you think Klay can carry the team like Wade, Kyrie or Harden can? Klay is a great 3&D role player who simply excels in the GSW system. Lebron had superteams when he left Cleveland. Does he need a BIG5 to qualify as 'help'? Lebron had players like Wade, Bosh, Kryie, and Love who can drop 30pts when they are the ones carrying their team before joining LeFlop. But to LeFloppers like you, that's not enough huh. Oh GSW had a great coach with Kerr? Then why did Lebron try to get Spo fired with the Heat? Why are his coaches always fired? Why does he never have a veteran coach? Because Lebron with his big ego is not coachable. Keep making excuses fanboy.

[@LazyHomeSchoolDude]

Don't forget about The Akron Hammer

[@airvigs]

That champion music from fire red and leaf green hit different

[@S.N.Da_Don]

To achieve as much as Lebron has and to compete at the highest levels of the game for as long as he has regardless of who you have as your goat, u just have to tip your cap to this man. He is my generation's goat without question!!! Regardless what we know about Jordan, that man Lebron has been competing at the top from my youth till adulthood(i am 30) and he still going. I have nothing but respect for that man..

[@Cyberclone8790]

As a warriors fan our rivalry with him was top tier. 4 straight finals. Can’t help but respect him for his top 2 all time status

[@SagaTheFunniest]

Top 3 nba rivalry all time

[@augustinevenfalloftarth3036]

top 2 and he ain't second

[@FatherOmega]

A rivalry is usually when there’s a back and forth. The warriors swept 🧹 the cavs and gentlemen swept them and lost one 7 game series after almost losing to the thunder.

[@mas7rreaper126]

@@augustinevenfalloftarth3036shhh the old head jordansexuals are gonna rage

[@tonyb3083]

@@FatherOmega Cavs lost the first one without Irving and Love, second one without Irving, won the third once everyone was healthy and then lost the fourth without Irving and against the Warriors stacked 70 win team with Durant. If both teams were healthy it could’ve easily gone 3-1 the other way.

[@dexterquilang2247]

When it comes to basketball content, Dylan don't miss.

[@R3tr0Burd]

😊

[@richardtheducko8298]

When Dylandoesbasketball makes a new video it makes my day

[@SULLY937]

19:52 Bron even got the commentators taking shots at Raptors 🤣🤣

[@freshisyk3836]

its a good day when dylan uploads

[@OGCxDaizy]

While watching your videos I notice alot of time you say "and then they were hit with a dose of reality" & the reality just be LeBron. It's crazy how one guy stopped so many different people in there tracks. Retired players be asked "so what happened why you never was able to get a ring?", and alot of them just respond "LeBron".

[@nonsense4680]

didnt realise what we had when i binged ur vids a year ago and now i gotta wait, this is better then netflix

[@vuksgitau]

I'll take 2018 LeBron over any other NBA player in history.

[@redluke8119]

Facts on facts

[@Edward_USMC13]

Bet, I look back on that run fondly when LeBron carried you, me and the two other dudes on this thread to the finals😂

[@ParamoreFAV3]

And it’s not even close

[@quentinhans4755]

So far there is any people saying “Jordan is better”. Anyway yeah 2018 LeBron is just the best one man army in NBA history.

[@fiiiftyfour]

background music fantastic as always

[@baconeggcheesepodcast9390]

Yeah it’s 🔥🔥🔥

[@TippedScale]

He has taste

[@tblidgen]

And the outro musc lmao its the same as pyrocynical

[@coryjohnson2486]

I’m not a big basketball fan, but I’ll always watch Dylan’s videos. I wish he was into the NFL!!!

[@CamVLNOProductions]

bro the music choice is perfect, lowkey caught me off guard but its a great touch

[@Jakes__Takes]

Great video man! Your videos are a huge inspiration.

[@mirrorportal1587]

Great video! You should make this into a mini series, perhaps Jordan next

[@youngneboh]

Man I love when this guy uploads

[@Alex.hidan14]

King is back with a post❤️❤️

[@redluke8119]

I remember making a stool with a cavalier logo when lebron got drafted. High school wood shop I still have that stool now and he's still playing

[@ChrisWilliams-ur7fn]

Bro i love your choice of music and video game osts! That hoenn blue pokemon remix is 🔥

[@jaylenwallace2458]

Forgot to mention as an icing on the cake with Bron’s Indiana was the inseason tournament win 🏆 😅

[@DrewHumphrey18]

I love his videos best NBA Documentaries ever on YT

[@baconeggcheesepodcast9390]

Yeah his videos are 🔥🔥🔥

[@littleprince8164]

10/10 editing bro, this video is hilarious

[@TheKyubiisaan]

The use of the Pokémon music for the big 3 was a nice touch given the context of the elite 4 basically being the Pokémon big 3

[@LowercaseKev]

Al Horford or PG might be the most tormented by LeBron on their quest of to a ring. Both went to two teams and LeBron was still the obstacle that erased any sniff of a championship at every turn

[@batmandweb8999]

0:58 bro that sounded like kawhi laughin bro

[@avecashley6480]

I was excited to see another upload from you, thank you for always creating high quality deep dives.

[@VarsityWizard]

Boyyyyy that Pokémon battle music got me SUPER TURNT wtf

[@nathanembry9245]

Anyone who paid money to watch Space Jam 2

[@Mcava1026]

Yes I did

[@chrisnovak4]

i liked it. my kids liked it.

[@Angelo-vk8wp]

Those movies are so good

[@freddiemarien]

You make phenomenal videos! Watched the whole thing and wasnt bored at all lol

[@yvancarbuccia6596]

This video is just something of another world. Keep up the great work! I loved it!

[@donflo3]

The video game music usage of the videos…god level. Vega from Street fighter. Star Fox from Super smash. I quote the eternal words of Emeril Lagasse “BAM!”

[@RaidensBoobies17]

You should have included the JJ Redick podcast of Al Hordford feeling disturbed in Game 7

[@genxtasy9914]

Love that outro music

[@tblidgen]

Same

[@sidenote1459]

Love this sort of video; similar to Mike you can't understand just how good LBJ was unless you understand how legendary his competition is. It's been an incredible era of basketball, I hope the next is just as good.

[@thecall0ut]

Lebron: most playoff loses all-time ✔, most committed turnovers all-time ✔, most shots taken all-time (but he's pass 1st?) ✔, most missed shots all-time ✔, only player to be Swept in 3 finals series ✔ worst +/- in NBA finals history -86 ✔ 2nd worst NBA finals record all-time 4-6 ✔ that's not a top 5 player all-time......

[@TreyFigueroa]

⁠@@thecall0ut you don’t know anything about basketball if you’re using those stats, he’s played for 20 years obviously he’s going to have taken the most shots, also finals record doesn’t mean anything if bron had 6/10 finals you’d still shit on him for it even though that means he didn’t lose in the playoffs,

[@thecall0ut]

@@TreyFigueroa You got your feelings hurt with facts and stats kid. Jordan has more accomplishments and doesn't have the failure Lebron has, but all you LeFlop fanboys have is excuses to Simp for you Diva Queen LeBum Blames. You don't know basketball boy, stick to Marvel.

[@thecall0ut]

@@TreyFigueroa What's Lebron's excuse for not being clutch like MJ or Kobe? That he's a better passer and all around player? Lebron is 4th in Assists but has the MOST turnovers = 5049 Stockton 1st in Assist with turnovers = 4524 Kidd is 2nd in Assist with turnovers = 4003 CP3 is 3rd in Assist with turnovers = 2918 Nash is 5th in Assist with turnovers = 3478 WRONG fanboy. Lebron is a turnover machine, and he leads the League by 500+ turnovers more than the next ACTIVE player in Westbrook.

[@TreyFigueroa]

@@thecall0ut he’s played for 21 years, he could have more turnovers than he should have but he’s 21 years in the nba, all of his stats are going to be high, and he is a clutch player, yall hate him for existing, so weird lol

[@thecoolrich]

Dude Dylan actually uploaded WTF!!!!

[@sportsmediapolice1968]

Great great video… only thing I felt kinda weird about is the warrior stuff. It’s just ambitious to call the warriors Bron victims. But I get the 16’ year. Good stuff

[@Gabriel-sh3ms]

Did I hear some pokemon music in the background hahaha gr8 video!

[@STANKORachev]

Yeah like your mother

[@lukycharmes9669]

I don't know if you can call golden state "victims". I mean yeah, talking about the 2016 finals still hurts them but there is no other team that "hurt" Lebrons legacy like they did. edit: for the love of God don't read the replies, unless of course you want to lose braincells

[@liamyoung5490]

You can’t say that tho. If anything they helped lebrons legacy since they assembled the avengers to beat lebron

[@arvinshaygan8643]

having to get the second AND third best player in the league AFTER that team had the best record in the history of basketball just to beat the FIRST best player just highlights the gap between Lebron and everyone else. To casual fans who just look at wikipedia and see "oh the warriors won the chip in 2017 and 2018 against lebron" it might harm his legacy. If you are an informed basketball fan, it only improves his legacy.

[@YellowHaile]

@@liamyoung5490this lie still being repeated is crazy. The Warriors added KD because he WANTED to be there. GS had already beaten Cleveland in the Finals. No matter what excuse is made. Oh and Cleveland tried to recruit KD after winning the 2016 Finals, I guess they were “scared” of Steph, right?🤔

[@liamyoung5490]

@@YellowHaile they beat an injured cavs team. When they were both healthy they lost and badly. Obviously every team wanted KD but the warriors themselves have stated they wouldn’t have won again without KD

[@mikefrost5575]

Dallas would like to have a word...

[@ReMarci]

6:22 The Pokémon legendary encounter music!!

[@ReMarci]

Or is that team plasma?

[@goldy9428]

Rival encounter from Pokemon Fire Red. You're welcome

[@KingBreezy.]

The goat came back to cover the goat🫢

[@sandrosandro-ze8vx]

the goat of flopping yes

[@jbailey690]

I don't see Secret Base covering Jordan 🤡

[@thevviitch1926]

Love the Song of Time at the end 🫡

[@baconeggcheesepodcast9390]

Yeah it’s 🔥🔥🔥

[@128legend]

Finally a Lebron video with no hate

[@longlivetheblackmamba2-8-24]

D rose shooting 6.3 percent being guarded by Lebron is actually nuts

[@bl4ckuchiha]

Banger video we need Victims of Steph next🔥🔥

[@baconeggcheesepodcast9390]

We definitely need it

[@shastealyomeal]

Clippers Rockets Thunder Grizzlies Blazers Nuggets Who Else

[@doo9642]

Dylan finally back

[@lucasjleandro]

Jordan Era: Bulls 6x championship Kobe Era: Lakers 5x championships Lebron Era: Warrior with most tittles kk

[@stkbloc9717]

I can 100% say if they played the warriors with kd they would lose every time the warriors are the only team I really think is unbeatable in the finals

[@jkhpbrn]

Am I hearing Pokémon battle music?

[@SimpleClay2004]

He’s back!!!

[@sasukeitachipain]

nice bliss3three instrumental @11:31

[@kauffamn1016]

Victims of the spurs , victims of the warriors , victim of the mavs , nuggets about to catch more victims this year .

[@goldy9428]

Nuggets when he literally beat them in 2020 Is Crazy 😭💀. Also wouldnt have been warriors victim if kd wasnt there

[@rjmacready9828]

@@goldy9428what kind of excuse is that??? Lebron is 1-11 in his last 12 games against Denver.... thats disgusting

[@goldy9428]

@@rjmacready9828 i know, thats why i wrote this comment thinking they were gonna have a Better chance against the nuggets lmao

[@hachiuram]

@@rjmacready9828 u proud of beating a 39 year old man?

[@mattcollett9370]

Awesome video mate

[@mahitanmandez1284]

2011 against Mavs and 2014 against Spurs were the lowest moments in his career in my opinion.

[@vulcanraven9701]

2023 WCF was also embarassing. He had AD on his team and still got swept

[@TippedScale]

​@@vulcanraven9701well they were facing the nuggets, plus the fact they got that far in the first place is impressive

[@vulcanraven9701]

@@TippedScale having lebron and Anthony Davis (which is cheating btw) means they should have won that series easily

[@BasketballJunkie1324]

25:00 ... that basket plus the foul with Morris pulling him down with all his strength is possibly the most badass moment of Lebron's career. Watching it live had my pulling my hair. What a godamn beast

[@adomalekiobel3677]

Love this video format. Could you do one for Jordan?

[@jammies701]

Nice vid mate

[@Rambzi6]

topic suggestion how did the detroit pistons fell this hard!??

[@baconeggcheesepodcast9390]

That would be a good video

[@jasonbenedetti5499]

Having the Song of Time from Zelda playing at the end was both hilarious and appropriate. Lmao.

[@jayja9230]

Bro was cooking up some diabolical heat with that title

[@baconeggcheesepodcast9390]

lol why you say that

[@GOODMuzikBoi]

As a Bulls fan I gotta point some things out. 1. Those games were closer than what they remember. It was only one blow out and that was game one where the Bulls won 103-82. Yeah MIA won the next 4 games but no blowouts. Game 2: 85-75, G3: 96-85, G4: 101-93 and G5 83-80. 2. After the series in 2015 they didn’t trade D-Rose during that offseason. They fired Thibs, hired Hoiberg missed the playoffs then they broke the team up. 3. Im sort of a LeBron hater so I gonna say that he committed a clear offensive foul shoving Jimmy Butler to hit that game winner, also that pay should’ve never happened because Blatt called a timeout and they had none left or a tech because he was all on the court after Rose’s lay up. But LeBron definitely kicked the Bulls ass over the years.

[@Adog00]

I should DESPISE LeBron for demolishing the Bulls which is my favorite team, but I respect it

[@TheDarkestMarcus]

This video reminds of The Feast in the East from Game of Zones. Man I miss that show.

[@InvisibleBully9496]

Not sure why Curry is on there, Curry has destroyed that man 😅

[@karneshwarj]

If you're talking with kd , then sure

[@Delaretro_]

Pokémon Fire Red is my favorite game… much respect lol

[@DavidXu-h5o]

The fact that Steph hasn't beaten lebron since KD left really says a lot.

[@levigrizz]

lol it doesn’t say anytbing💀….

[@CashMoolah00]

The fact Steph returned to the finals and won without KD…….

[@shivumagarwal]

Didn’t Bron Have AD on his team?? 😂😂

[@Iso_SSB]

Babe wake up, Dylandoesbasketball just posted (I’m single)

[@Adog00]

That game winning shot lebron took to tie it to 2-2 was supposed to be a tech by the coach calling a timeout without anymore😢

[@romanramirez7847]

I can only imagine how dumb and lame it would have been had they called the tech. That coach would have gone down as the biggest choker in playoff history. I’m glad LeBron got the shot off, and not let his own coach screw the series.

[@Simon_Diamond803]

Those David Blatt coaching days felt like a fever dream lmao.

[@J_Klutch]

The thumbnail is geeked

[@HollywoodAJ]

Add the inseason tournament win to the Lebron vs Indiana saga

[@pimpnamedslickback7780]

Why is a picture of curry here? lol it's the other way around

[@darlingj.canela]

Using Smash Melee music make this piece of work turn into an instant classic. Guess I must suscribe to this channel.

[@ceufrscio707]

Steph a victim of him? Are your sure?

[@zacharyyamashita8554]

Only in 2016 and 2023, as a Warriors fan myself 😏. Steph has been a pretty minor victim of the King because of his own all time stats.

[@jbailey690]

Steph made Lebrons and his Superteams victims multiple times 😂😂😂😂😂

[@aha4136]

Lebron openly said that he hated the celtics because the fanbase called him any kind of racial slurs plus the sold Team logo Hoodies with f you bron. I Respect that.

[@HCaulfield115]

Isn’t Steph 3-1 vs Lebron in the finals?

[@lllightskindude]

*warriors

[@teachmehacks]

@@lllightskindudeagainst the warriors LMAO do you understand how lebron got these rings? he copied the superteam method

[@Tomfooleryin4]

Yo dylan you should make a video on talking about the heatles since they had some of the hardest roads to win rings

[@_Paul_N]

The only victims is us as consumers and viewers of the NBA. The product is watered down with people flocking to create super teams like KD, James Harden, Chris Paul, and of course LeBron. He literally took the saying "If you can't beat them join them" to heart and look where we are now lol. Everyone wants to take the easy route to join stars instead of grinding like the Warriors and Nuggets who drafts and trades for players with potential. When LeBron retires the NBA will reset itself back to the Kobe, Shaq, and Duncan era when everything is earned and not given to you.

[@goldy9428]

You think shaq is a loyal individual? Lmfao 💀. And btw kobe requested a trade out of LA when they were in the dark times, without another star alongside him

[@AROB_GOD]

2:09 the brick sounds always got me rolling.🤣

[@samm552]

What an Awesome Vid doc. Well done mate, keep em" coming🏀 Respect GOAT James 🐐

[@micapalma9532]

goat c'mon....perhaps your goat....but not the "goat"

[@malakaithedemigod]

Bro lebrons career is no where near winding down. He’s still dominating

[@baconeggcheesepodcast9390]

Exactly

[@TheBBCSlurpee]

empty stats

[@MadScientist81]

Dominating what? Probably won’t even make it to the playoffs.

[@TippedScale]

​​@@MadScientist81they're barely scraping to the play in lmao, bron better prepare that retirement tour cause it's over

[@GoodDudeMadWorld]

I'm gonna have to fight youtube they didn't even notify me for last videos and I have the bell on.

[@WillToWinvlog]

The victims of James? The Cavs, the Heat, and now the Lakers are his victims. And all the head coaches he fired... And all the superstars he stole the spotlight from...

[@TheTagues9421]

I bet you're a fan of a team called the LeBronto Raptors

[@ProPainism]

underrated are the Smash Bros soundtrack choices in this video.

[@chrislee232445]

Bron has no victims lol Who he denied of rings so far? Curry got 3 of his 4 rings directly from Bron KD got his 2 rings from Bron Kawhi got 1 ring from Bron TD got 2 rings from Bron Dirk got his only ring from Bron So who are the victim of Bron?

[@TheTagues9421]

You're a fan of the LeBronto Raptors

[@stkbloc9717]

Stop you know damn well 2 out of 3 for curry and kd is bs kd tucks his tail and runs in Bron shadow till this day it’s a reason why neither of them are considered on Bron level when it comes to all time rankings

[@gameknotz3602]

Still waiting for that Pistons video...

[@ousamahachoumi838]

Steph owns Bron. 3-1 against him in Finals. People call Lebron the GOAT but it's forced because he's never been the one true dominant force.

[@Tayxsupreme]

2 of those were with KD but that’s no problem

[@okeythegoat2332]

@@Tayxsupreme😂fr df is he talking about

[@RyanLee-or4cj]

When both teams were fully healthy and removing KD from the equation, Lebron wins 1-0.

[@MistahJay7]

Steph is 0-2 against LeBron in playoff series where the Warriors not Heavy Favorites Nice try Con men. LeBron owns Curry in competitive series. Nobody counts 2015, 2017 and 2018 you Snake

[@MistahJay7]

@@RyanLee-or4cj 2-0 now

[@dbsuper2928]

Dylan Dylan Dylan.. he do be doing basketball

[@GoodvibesXD]

As a Bulls fan we know that the NBA likes to forget about 2015 game 4 of the quarterfinals the refs rigged that game for LeBron WE should've went to the finals that year against golden State

[@RyanLee-or4cj]

It wasn't rigged, the refs just made a bad call

[@GoodvibesXD]

@@RyanLee-or4cj they could've reversed it though but they didn't because they wanted LeBron to go to the finals

[@TheeRomantic]

Crazy to think LeBron ended TWO Celtics eras 😭

[@blazedbeye3412]

You should do a vid on the superstars who victimized Lebron. Curry is 3-1 in the finals against him, for example

[@JamaikaArtis]

Great video 👍

[@dominicharris5489]

it may sound asinine but Lebron playoff resume has been Underrated throughout his career. His 07 finals appearance clearly shows that if the F.O. had built an actual championship team around him that a ring or 2 was almost definite. Being able to look back with the knowledge of how long he has been elite and how many rings he has won despite like 4 of his finals losses having some legit unlucky breaks, this man could have easily won 6 or more rings. The man made 10 finals, and the conference being weak is not a good enough explanation as to why he went to 8 straight. thats just too many in a row and too many playoff series where someone couldve knocked him out for that weak conference shit to be a even a barely strong point. If he had rosters and coaches in his first cavs stint thats even remotely comparable to teams guys like magic larry kareem and jordan had along with what has happened post 2010, the man would have made like 12 finals and won like 6 rings minimum. I know thats assumption but it is very likely. His finals appearances are a key indicator of how much he couldve won with more luck on his side. Magic, bird, MJ, shaq, kobe never had to play a finals with their top 2 teammates out, never had to play a team as unstoppable as the warriors, never made a finals prematurely with a average team and having to play the best team in the entire league at age 21 with a weak roster, nor did they ever have to take a roster equivalent to cavs 2018 roster that was put together mid season to the finals to play an unstoppable team. He legit has 2 finals losses that are because he was so good he could take a team that had no business in the finals, to the finals having to play the best team in the entire nba. He had to face a celtics superteam in 08 and 2010 while having clearly the lesser roster yet taking them to 7 games in 2008. No one impacts a team, game, or series as much as bron. No other player is leading the cavs in 07 and 2018 to a finals berth and no other player is leading the 2009 and 2010 cavs to 60+ wins. just think about these things. Just basing his potential off of what we know now while assuming he has a level playing field in terms of luck and fate, he is legit a 6 to 7 ring, 4+ league MVP, 10+ finals appearances level player. He is literally best player the nba has ever seen

[@mikexciv6781]

Maybe I missed it but I don't think you mentioned Al Hereford, he has NEVER beaten LeBron in the playoffs with the Hawks or Celtics